Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:21, David Samblas any news about the real openess of android? first phone has just been announced to be released, and then the code should be open sourced : http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/09/announcing-android-10-sdk-release-1.html So what's next for us? Well, we'll keep working on the SDK, as I said. But we're also working hard with our partners in the Open Handset Alliance on the open-source release, with the aim of making the code available in the fourth quarter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
Even if the code is open, will the hardware be? The hardware could easily check if the software has been changed and then cut power. Hopefully there will at least be some interesting bits to borrow. On 9/24/08, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:21, David Samblas any news about the real openess of android? first phone has just been announced to be released, and then the code should be open sourced : http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/09/announcing-android-10-sdk-release-1.html So what's next for us? Well, we'll keep working on the SDK, as I said. But we're also working hard with our partners in the Open Handset Alliance on the open-source release, with the aim of making the code available in the fourth quarter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Steven Kurylo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:46, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if the code is open, will the hardware be? The hardware could easily check if the software has been changed and then cut power. What is interesting is that the code is open so that you can port it a more open hardware (Neo !) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
this is not freedom [was:Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone]
Hi, I not sure , but, AFAIK , I can run free software for any purpose (freedom 0) , but the Google phone is locked to one cellular provider , T-mobile , and the device is SIM-locked [1] (paragraph 9 - first line). This is not freedom ! [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080923-t-mobile-google-finally-unveil-the-first-android-phone.html - doron Steven Kurylo wrote: Even if the code is open, will the hardware be? The hardware could easily check if the software has been changed and then cut power. Hopefully there will at least be some interesting bits to borrow. On 9/24/08, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:21, David Samblas any news about the real openess of android? first phone has just been announced to be released, and then the code should be open sourced : http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/09/announcing-android-10-sdk-release-1.html So what's next for us? Well, we'll keep working on the SDK, as I said. But we're also working hard with our partners in the Open Handset Alliance on the open-source release, with the aim of making the code available in the fourth quarter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
Yes, take for sure than HTC will not release as an open phone as Openmoko, when I was talking about openess I was talking of the sofware stack, to precisely to the posiblitiy neo can run that software on it. El mié, 24-09-2008 a las 15:53 +0200, Cédric Berger escribió: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:46, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if the code is open, will the hardware be? The hardware could easily check if the software has been changed and then cut power. What is interesting is that the code is open so that you can port it a more open hardware (Neo !) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
Has anyone tried to install Android on a Freerunner? - Original Message - From: David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:58:18 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone Yes, take for sure than HTC will not release as an open phone as Openmoko, when I was talking about openess I was talking of the sofware stack, to precisely to the posiblitiy neo can run that software on it. El mié, 24-09-2008 a las 15:53 +0200, Cédric Berger escribió: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:46, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if the code is open, will the hardware be? The hardware could easily check if the software has been changed and then cut power. What is interesting is that the code is open so that you can port it a more open hardware (Neo !) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: this is not freedom [was:Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone]
Again I don't know how much google will open their software, It's clear than if HTC + T-movile are involved in the phone the phone itself will not be free, that not worry me is a no go on hardware openness. I had some hope on the software stack not in hardware. El mié, 24-09-2008 a las 17:49 +0300, doron escribió: Hi, I not sure , but, AFAIK , I can run free software for any purpose (freedom 0) , but the Google phone is locked to one cellular provider , T-mobile , and the device is SIM-locked [1] (paragraph 9 - first line). This is not freedom ! [1] http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080923-t-mobile-google-finally-unveil-the-first-android-phone.html - doron Steven Kurylo wrote: Even if the code is open, will the hardware be? The hardware could easily check if the software has been changed and then cut power. Hopefully there will at least be some interesting bits to borrow. On 9/24/08, Cédric Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 19:21, David Samblas any news about the real openess of android? first phone has just been announced to be released, and then the code should be open sourced : http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/09/announcing-android-10-sdk-release-1.html So what's next for us? Well, we'll keep working on the SDK, as I said. But we're also working hard with our partners in the Open Handset Alliance on the open-source release, with the aim of making the code available in the fourth quarter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
It's need to be ported before can be runned, and needs to be open to port it, they said they will open it at final of this year. El mié, 24-09-2008 a las 09:05 -0600, Vince M. Clark escribió: Has anyone tried to install Android on a Freerunner? - Original Message - From: David Samblas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:58:18 AM (GMT-0700) America/Denver Subject: Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone Yes, take for sure than HTC will not release as an open phone as Openmoko, when I was talking about openess I was talking of the sofware stack, to precisely to the posiblitiy neo can run that software on it. El mié, 24-09-2008 a las 15:53 +0200, Cédric Berger escribió: On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 15:46, Steven Kurylo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even if the code is open, will the hardware be? The hardware could easily check if the software has been changed and then cut power. What is interesting is that the code is open so that you can port it a more open hardware (Neo !) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
IIRC android needs a armv5 Instruction Set and the FR has a armv4 one. maybe google will change this in the future? or maybe gta03 will have an armv5 cpu? at least, now, on the freerunner, it's not possible. sl ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Sébastien Lorquet wrote: IIRC android needs a armv5 Instruction Set and the FR has a armv4 one. maybe google will change this in the future? or maybe gta03 will have an armv5 cpu? at least, now, on the freerunner, it's not possible. Google's released binaries need armv5, but I suspect that if we had the source it would compile for an armv4 target. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
I watched a press conference (on youtube) that took place in London and there were many important questions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS5s89H6BW4 (woot he's canadian to boot no doobt aboot it) One person asked if we will be able to run Android on other open phones and the rep said why not? There were also alot of other questions about openmoko and the rep was asking if anyone in the room had one he could look at. Once the code is released it can be compiled to run on arm4, but developers will need to write some kind of interface to connect the software with the hardware. The rep said drivers would need to be written for the specific hardware of the open device in question (which are already being worked on) but they may need to be slightly modified to understand Android commands. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-OT--First-rumors-about-first-Google-phone-tp1113024p1115716.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
On Wednesday 24 September 2008 17:44:53 Al Johnson wrote: Google's released binaries need armv5, but I suspect that if we had the source it would compile for an armv4 target. Maybe we should ask Google for doing the port. They have the resources and are well known for supporting OpenSource projects. Best regards, Mark Weinem ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
I just emailed google asking if they would be interested. Lets hope they are =D -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-OT--First-rumors-about-first-Google-phone-tp1113024p1115876.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[OT] First rumors about first Google phone
Here in spain is a press massive campaing about the new google phone based in android the HTC Dream with a financied price of 199 Eurs http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2006/dec/17/news.mobilephones that will be out by the end of the year. any news about the real openess of android? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
On 2008.09.23.19.21, David Samblas wrote: | any news about the real openess of android? The news is: no news. Still just the SDK and kernel available from the website. No hints about when more will be released. Nor really detailed about how _much_ more will be released. --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008, David Samblas wrote: any news about the real openess of android? from this month's linux format magazine, duscussing the software that the 'phone will come with: One ommission [sic], which has been removed for 'security reasons' is the GTalk application, which would have given users free VoIP facilities over a Wi-Fi connection (LXF111, p.7). i'd say that was looking pretty bleak on the device-openness front. yy openmoko. shame the article didn't mention them. -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [OT] First rumors about first Google phone
On 2008.09.23.13.46, Brock wrote: | On 2008.09.23.19.21, David Samblas wrote: | | any news about the real openess of android? | | The news is: no news. Scratch that. They just released the Android 1.0 SDK release 1, and in the announcement they say: So what's next for us? Well, we'll keep working on the SDK, as I said. But we're also working hard with our partners in the Open Handset Alliance on the open-source release, with the aim of making the code available in the fourth quarter. Which sounds familiar... I think they've been targeting the fourth quarter for a while. The announcement is at: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/09/announcing-android-10-sdk-release-1.html --Brock ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
