Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:00:19 -0200 Levy A. M. Sant'Anna levy.santa...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 21:50, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. The same for me, I don't listen any buzz, but everyone say a lot of bad-words about the noise! I guess I am loosing friends, hehehe. The same for me (italy, 850). -- /_\ The ASCII Per comunicare in modo riservato: \_/ Ribbon Campaign gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net \ X Against HTML--recv-keys 20611EAD /_\ Email! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Kosa wrote: I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. The same for me, I don't listen any buzz, but everyone say a lot of bad-words about the noise! I guess I am loosing friends, hehehe. For me, the buzz is absolutly strength signal related. Here in my room, I hear a very very very low buzz, but the other side complains about it. Well, not really, they say there's a buzz only when I ask about it. On the other hand, if I'm on the street, or at the roof, and I ask, many people say they have never heard a clearer cellphone call. I'm nox exagerating: that's what they say. Echo apears only if I turn up the volume. The other side hears it, but I don't. My brother keeps suggesting I dump the devicve in a bucket of water and my friends always ask me: Are you in a train or something? I hope soon a solution will be there, either as an officially endorsed DIY GOP or in other way. On the software side, I hope SHR will offer a dailer app that provides proper/working volume control for the headset+mic. Kosa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 00:19, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com wrote: For example I have never heard it. I live in SF and primarily use an 850 phone. Sean once visited to show me what the buzz actually sounded like. He produced a phone, we turned it on. No buzz. I've been told that the buzz is most prominent on 900Mz and that if your phone happens to connect on 850, 1800, or 1900 that the buzz is absent or less pronounced. I use an 850 phone here at Brazil and the buzz is THE MAJOR issue for me. I am a non DYI and want to fix my Freerunner :-( ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Levy A. M. Sant'Anna wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 00:19, Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com mailto:st...@openmoko.com wrote: For example I have never heard it. I live in SF and primarily use an 850 phone. Sean once visited to show me what the buzz actually sounded like. He produced a phone, we turned it on. No buzz. I've been told that the buzz is most prominent on 900Mz and that if your phone happens to connect on 850, 1800, or 1900 that the buzz is absent or less pronounced. I use an 850 phone here at Brazil and the buzz is THE MAJOR issue for me. I am a non DYI and want to fix my Freerunner :-( I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 21:50, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. The same for me, I don't listen any buzz, but everyone say a lot of bad-words about the noise! I guess I am loosing friends, hehehe. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Levy A. M. Sant'Anna wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 21:50, Shawn Trash Thompson mokowa...@projektenterprises.com mailto:mokowa...@projektenterprises.com wrote: I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. The same for me, I don't listen any buzz, but everyone say a lot of bad-words about the noise! I guess I am loosing friends, hehehe. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Guess it's ok though, right now my service is suspended so I can't talk to anyone right now anyway lol. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
I also have the 850 and the buzz doesn't appear to me but my friends notice when i use that phone because i either echo or buzz, sometimes a nasty combination of both. The same for me, I don't listen any buzz, but everyone say a lot of bad-words about the noise! I guess I am loosing friends, hehehe. For me, the buzz is absolutly strength signal related. Here in my room, I hear a very very very low buzz, but the other side complains about it. Well, not really, they say there's a buzz only when I ask about it. On the other hand, if I'm on the street, or at the roof, and I ask, many people say they have never heard a clearer cellphone call. I'm nox exagerating: that's what they say. Echo apears only if I turn up the volume. The other side hears it, but I don't. Kosa ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
is this: if People send in phones the first thing one wants to do is test whether the phone in question actually has a buzz and how bad the buzz is. We need to develop a robust test for that. Then the SOP would with the included headset and the gsmheadset.state i get a very strong buzz myself when calling eg my voice box. is that in some way related or even the same buzz? then it would be easy to check. btw: what exactly means SOP? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
On Tuesday 03 February 2009, arne anka wrote: btw: what exactly means SOP? Standard Operating Procedure ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Steve Mosher wrote: If you've done a fix, send me photos, your contact information and I'll send you some belated gifts for the holiday. Special bonus for people who post vids. Just send a mail to elsie, chelsea and me and we'll decide on some goodies. Hey! I could also bribe a friend of a friend (with a beer each) to apply the buzz fix according to the latest SOP. It works! At least it did on the first test call. I had the buzz on every single phone call before the fix so I assume that it really solved the problem. Thanks a lot for everyone involved! I can't provide any pictures as I haven't done the fix myself. We used a resistor of size 1206 which was a little though to fit in the cover so I advice you to follow the SOP and use 0402ers. :) Unfortunately SHR unstable refused to connect with my laptop after a opkg update/upgrade which is the reason why I'm reflashing my FR atm with FSO M5. I'm glad I haven't sold my FR yet - I was getting close to do so recently... ;-) Best regards Chris -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-ReportBuzz-fix-tp1678823p2265023.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
2009/2/1 Steve Mosher st...@openmoko.com: We have a SOP for people who want to do it by themselves or for others, but there are several other elements missing from the process that would allow us to help the non DIY folks. One thing that probably I have just got a friend of mine to do both the big-C and SD/GPS fixes. TTFF was 24s on first attempt, when I have never had it below 40s before. The buzz seems to be also gone, but I need a couple of days to confirm, as it was not always reproducible. Good job! Regards Jeff ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Torsten, There is no proceedure defined by OM for how the non DIY guys can fix their Phones. Let me recap exactly where we are. We have a SOP for people who want to do it by themselves or for others, but there are several other elements missing from the process that would allow us to help the non DIY folks. One thing that probably hasnt been explained very well is that the Buzz problem does not occur for everyone in every place. For example I have never heard it. I live in SF and primarily use an 850 phone. Sean once visited to show me what the buzz actually sounded like. He produced a phone, we turned it on. No buzz. I've been told that the buzz is most prominent on 900Mz and that if your phone happens to connect on 850, 1800, or 1900 that the buzz is absent or less pronounced. This has yet to be verified. So one issue is this: if People send in phones the first thing one wants to do is test whether the phone in question actually has a buzz and how bad the buzz is. We need to develop a robust test for that. Then the SOP would be applied. So, we have to develop an SOP for the particular rework shop(s) that would do the work. And we have to test that rework with a good number of phones. Testing the rework means we have to have some sort of objective test that the buzz has actually been fixed. The final question is will the end user be able to verify the difference. what if they can't? Ideally, they would get an incoming test report and an exit test report. As you can see there are a lot of issues here and for the most part they are issues that OM have never dealt with before. So most everyone is learning. Those of us who have been through it before understand that this process will be painful and may not even be possible. Then come the issues of Logistics and costs and warranty. We don't have departments dedicated to these kind of issues so we basically have to work the issue as well as all the other issues. Steve Torsten Sievers wrote: Hi Steve, many thanks to you guys for finally fixing the Buzz Issue. Is there any procedure defined by OM how the non-DIY-guys can fix their phones? As DIY will break warranty (given by reseller) i have to rely on a way supported by OM. Greetings Torsten On Friday 26 December 2008 07:19:41 Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks.. I should have pointed out that if people can do before and after recordings that would be exceptionally cool. I guess I shoulda asked B4 xmas. If you've done a fix, send me photos, your contact information and I'll send you some belated gifts for the holiday. Special bonus for people who post vids. Just send a mail to elsie, chelsea and me and we'll decide on some goodies. Maybe Sean can do a special T shirt for the DIY masters. Michael Zanetti wrote: Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my Freerunner revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the coolest _phone_ I've ever had. I'm flashing 2008.12 right now. *very excited* Very big thanks to everyone involved working out this one! And thank you openmoko (the whole team) for this wonderful product! Michael [1] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big- C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
GTA02v7 is going into production in a very short period of time. The Alsa states will need some adjustments. We dont want to fix the buzz and then tell people they have to tweak their alsa states as the first course of business. Xavier Cremaschi wrote: The .pdf says this hardware fix transforms a GTA02v5 with buzz into a GTA02v7-equivalent (without buzz). But is the GTA02v7 currently produced and/or sold ? The wiki seems to stop at GTA02v6 (for which buzz is still a possibility). Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Let me give you a ROUGH timeline. Feb 2-9: final alsa states for A7 are developed and tested and signed off. Feb 9-16: Phones at the factory are flashed. Feb 16-23: Ship to Disty. Those are not official dates agreed to by everyone working the issue, but I suspect they are close. When will it get to you? That's hard to say. I would expect some disty will try to be the first with A7 phones and will start their order process as the TPE returns for work on 2/2. David Zwarg wrote: Greetings, I have been following the developments of OM, and I, too would like to know when I can expect to see GTA02 with buzz fix available commercially. Thanks for any updates, z On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.comwrote: The .pdf says this hardware fix transforms a GTA02v5 with buzz into a GTA02v7-equivalent (without buzz). But is the GTA02v7 currently produced and/or sold ? The wiki seems to stop at GTA02v6 (for which buzz is still a possibility). Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
The .pdf says this hardware fix transforms a GTA02v5 with buzz into a GTA02v7-equivalent (without buzz). But is the GTA02v7 currently produced and/or sold ? The wiki seems to stop at GTA02v6 (for which buzz is still a possibility). Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Greetings, I have been following the developments of OM, and I, too would like to know when I can expect to see GTA02 with buzz fix available commercially. Thanks for any updates, z On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:35 AM, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.comwrote: The .pdf says this hardware fix transforms a GTA02v5 with buzz into a GTA02v7-equivalent (without buzz). But is the GTA02v7 currently produced and/or sold ? The wiki seems to stop at GTA02v6 (for which buzz is still a possibility). Xavier. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Hi Steve, many thanks to you guys for finally fixing the Buzz Issue. Is there any procedure defined by OM how the non-DIY-guys can fix their phones? As DIY will break warranty (given by reseller) i have to rely on a way supported by OM. Greetings Torsten On Friday 26 December 2008 07:19:41 Steve Mosher wrote: Thanks.. I should have pointed out that if people can do before and after recordings that would be exceptionally cool. I guess I shoulda asked B4 xmas. If you've done a fix, send me photos, your contact information and I'll send you some belated gifts for the holiday. Special bonus for people who post vids. Just send a mail to elsie, chelsea and me and we'll decide on some goodies. Maybe Sean can do a special T shirt for the DIY masters. Michael Zanetti wrote: Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my Freerunner revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the coolest _phone_ I've ever had. I'm flashing 2008.12 right now. *very excited* Very big thanks to everyone involved working out this one! And thank you openmoko (the whole team) for this wonderful product! Michael [1] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big- C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Thanks.. I should have pointed out that if people can do before and after recordings that would be exceptionally cool. I guess I shoulda asked B4 xmas. If you've done a fix, send me photos, your contact information and I'll send you some belated gifts for the holiday. Special bonus for people who post vids. Just send a mail to elsie, chelsea and me and we'll decide on some goodies. Maybe Sean can do a special T shirt for the DIY masters. Michael Zanetti wrote: Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my Freerunner revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the coolest _phone_ I've ever had. I'm flashing 2008.12 right now. *very excited* Very big thanks to everyone involved working out this one! And thank you openmoko (the whole team) for this wonderful product! Michael [1] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big- C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Jim Morris wrote: Ok, so how/when will OM offer a fix for end users? This fix is way beyond my skills to do. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com Please OM Team, consider this action I can't wait to make my FR my real daily phone. I am in Montreal/Canada Thx ... -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/-ReportBuzz-fix-tp1678823p1690406.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
[Report] - Buzz fix
Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my Freerunner revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the coolest _phone_ I've ever had. I'm flashing 2008.12 right now. *very excited* Very big thanks to everyone involved working out this one! And thank you openmoko (the whole team) for this wonderful product! Michael [1] http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/GSM_EMI_noise/big- C_rework_SOP__DRAFT3__.pdf ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my Freerunner revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the coolest _phone_ I've ever had. Good for you. I had a look at the PDF and already know I am not going to attempt that. I know what side of a soldering device to hold, and that's where my knowledge ends... ;-) Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Sargun Dhillon wrote: At the local university electronics lab they have SMD soldering equipment (scops, irons, etc...). Aye... Unfortunately local university presents a bit of a problem, as in that there is none... *grin* Paul ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Report] - Buzz fix
Michael Zanetti wrote: Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I have applied the Buzz fix to my Freerunner revision A5 according to this [1] paper and indeed the buzz is completely gone. Including the echo fix my Neo converted from the coolest toy to the coolest _phone_ I've ever had. Ok, so how/when will OM offer a fix for end users? This fix is way beyond my skills to do. -- Jim Morris, http://blog.wolfman.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
