Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy
Hi Travis, Am 23.04.2012 um 01:39 schrieb Travis Bachelder: What if you(I) wanted more than 32 gb? The largest micro SD (NOW) is 64 gbs right? What if you needed larger than that? 250 gb or even 500 gb? The original SD cards were up to 2 GB The SDHC cards are up to 32 GB and the newest SDXC cards are much more (I think they can go to the Terabytes range) Is larger drive space in the GTA04 just a matter of waiting for the micro SD card technology to support larger storage space? There are two limitations. One is the interface. The current GTA04 supports SD and SDHC, but not SDXC. So the current limit is 32 GBytes. But future variants of the TI OMAP processor may support the SDXC interface. This is just a small change within the Silicon and some additional driver. So you can expect that to come sooner or later. The other limit is the availability and price of such SDXC cards. But I have seen some with 128 GByte: http://www.amazon.com/Lexar-SDXC-Flash-Memory-LSD128CRBNA133/dp/B004SAMZW4/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8qid=1335167722sr=8-5 But as said it will not work in a GTA04. And the one linked here is a SD and not microSD format. I.e. it does not fit mechanically. But you can extrapolate what the SD card manufacturers will come up with. If the micro SD is limited on it's storage space, then is the GTA04 board even capable of supporting a built in external hard drive? Or is that make for a serious design change? Mechanical hard drives are generally too big. The smallest one I know of was the IBM/Hitachi Microdrive in Compact-Flash format. I think currently, the smallest ones are 1.8 inch diameter. This does not fit into the case of a smartphone... Here: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Toshiba-MK2x39GSL/ you can see the physical dimensions. And the interfaces of such drives (e.g. SATA) are not available on the OMAP processor. So they may need additional glue logic. What you also could do is to connect an external hard drive through the USB/OTG port. But that would no longer allow you to use the same USB port to connect to a desktop PC as you have planned. Thanks, Travis Bachelder BR, Nikolaus -- Forwarded message -- From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:36:32 +0200 Subject: Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy Hi Travis, Am 22.04.2012 um 15:09 schrieb Travis Bachelder: Thanks for you input Lionel, Actually: What I am thinking isn't remote. More like having the operating system installed onto the GTA04 (outfitted with a larger hardrive of course). Plug the phone into a computer (via usb perhaps?) then restart computer to boot from the OS installed onto you slick 60 gb GTA04. yes you should be able do that. Just configure the USB gadget driver of the GTA04 so that the GTA04 behaves like an external SD card reader and provides access through the USB cable. Then, you plug in the USB cable to the host machine and boot... This seems possible, the only hurdle I see is the hardware, what would it take to outfit a GTA04 phone with a larger hardrive? There is no need for a built-in harddrive. Just a 32 GByte Micro-SD card. And in some future the OMAP CPUs will even support 32 GByte. Thanks, Travis Nikolaus This email was sent by Howell Laboratories, Inc. or Shively Labs. It may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you suspect you were not intended to receive it, please delete it without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender by reply email or by calling 207-647-3327. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy
On Monday 23 April 2012 10:02:17 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: Hi Travis, Am 23.04.2012 um 01:39 schrieb Travis Bachelder: [snip discussion of SD types and limitations] If the micro SD is limited on it's storage space, then is the GTA04 board even capable of supporting a built in external hard drive? Or is that make for a serious design change? Mechanical hard drives are generally too big. The smallest one I know of was the IBM/Hitachi Microdrive in Compact-Flash format. I think currently, the smallest ones are 1.8 inch diameter. This does not fit into the case of a smartphone... Are you sure? I just put a Tosh MK1216GSG on top of a GTA02 and it looks like a perfect fit for a new case layer, giving just enough room at the corners for wall thickness. It probably fails for needing a custom USB-microSATA adapter to fit the available space, and there may not be enough power available (3.3V 700mA), as well as making the phone rather bulky. I don't remember whether there's a USB port available internally on GTA04. Here: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Toshiba-MK2x39GSL/ you can see the physical dimensions. And the interfaces of such drives (e.g. SATA) are not available on the OMAP processor. So they may need additional glue logic. What you also could do is to connect an external hard drive through the USB/OTG port. But that would no longer allow you to use the same USB port to connect to a desktop PC as you have planned. If you've got an external drive you don't need the phone as an intermediary. The 1.8 drives are available in external USB enclosures, perhaps the best bet. Or you could keep a USB stick on your keyring... If you _really_ want it as part of the phone you could embed the USB stick, or a USB SDXC reader, in a replacement back for the phone. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy
Thanks for you input Lionel, Actually: What I am thinking isn't remote. More like having the operating system installed onto the GTA04 (outfitted with a larger hardrive of course). Plug the phone into a computer (via usb perhaps?) then restart computer to boot from the OS installed onto you slick 60 gb GTA04. This seems possible, the only hurdle I see is the hardware, what would it take to outfit a GTA04 phone with a larger hardrive? Thanks, Travis -- Forwarded message -- From: Lionel Broche lionel.bro...@gmail.com To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:07:22 +0100 Subject: Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy I am not a specialist and I am not sure to understand what you mean by 'boot linux from any desktop', but I have been experimenting remote connections lately so my results may interest you. The idea of remote connection is that you boot your device normally (the client), and access a remote computer (the host) once the operating system is running on the client. Usually you only need a very light operating system so the client machine does not need to be powerful. I have been using a letux 400 (very small device, 2Gb Flash drive, rather slow) as a client to connect to my home computer. Since a letux is (really) not powerful, I dropped the idea of using a full remote desktop but this is likely to be possible on the GTA04 (see Vino, Remmina and others for remote desktop applications). Instead of that, I opened some X windows directly via ssh (use the -X option when you connect with ssh, there is a bit of fidling around with keys and host authoring). This technique allows you to control the GUI of a host from a light remote client. In final I could run some large applications (gimp, blender...) on my letux and to use them just as if I was using my home computer. Only the GUI of the application selected appeared on the screen. I am not sure if that is what you want to do. I can give more details if you need. Lionel On 21 April 2012 00:37, Travis Bachelder tbachel...@shively.com wrote: Just so everyone knows: I am not a programmer (just a dreamer), with no grasp on reality in regards to what is feasible or not. I'll leave it to you (the community) to decide. I was thinking it would be cool if my imaginary cell phone (I also dream of one day owning one) had the capabilities to boot linux from any desktop, via USB, provided it's support. This would grant me access to large programs such as CAD software, Inventor/AutoCAD, music/movies/photos, from where ever a desktop computer was available (BIOS Mooch). I would imagine the phones would need to be outfitted with a small solid state hard drive (at least 60 gb), and it would be nice if it had the ability to share media files (music) between QTmoko and Ubuntu (maybe?). Has anyone ever fantasized about this? Is it feasible? or Possible? Thanks, Travis Bachelder This email was sent by Howell Laboratories, Inc. or Shively Labs. It may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you suspect you were not intended to receive it, please delete it without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender by reply email or by calling 207-647-3327. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy
Hi Travis, Am 22.04.2012 um 15:09 schrieb Travis Bachelder: Thanks for you input Lionel, Actually: What I am thinking isn't remote. More like having the operating system installed onto the GTA04 (outfitted with a larger hardrive of course). Plug the phone into a computer (via usb perhaps?) then restart computer to boot from the OS installed onto you slick 60 gb GTA04. yes you should be able do that. Just configure the USB gadget driver of the GTA04 so that the GTA04 behaves like an external SD card reader and provides access through the USB cable. Then, you plug in the USB cable to the host machine and boot... This seems possible, the only hurdle I see is the hardware, what would it take to outfit a GTA04 phone with a larger hardrive? There is no need for a built-in harddrive. Just a 32 GByte Micro-SD card. And in some future the OMAP CPUs will even support 32 GByte. Thanks, Travis Nikolaus -- Forwarded message -- From: Lionel Broche lionel.bro...@gmail.com To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:07:22 +0100 Subject: Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy I am not a specialist and I am not sure to understand what you mean by 'boot linux from any desktop', but I have been experimenting remote connections lately so my results may interest you. The idea of remote connection is that you boot your device normally (the client), and access a remote computer (the host) once the operating system is running on the client. Usually you only need a very light operating system so the client machine does not need to be powerful. I have been using a letux 400 (very small device, 2Gb Flash drive, rather slow) as a client to connect to my home computer. Since a letux is (really) not powerful, I dropped the idea of using a full remote desktop but this is likely to be possible on the GTA04 (see Vino, Remmina and others for remote desktop applications). Instead of that, I opened some X windows directly via ssh (use the -X option when you connect with ssh, there is a bit of fidling around with keys and host authoring). This technique allows you to control the GUI of a host from a light remote client. In final I could run some large applications (gimp, blender...) on my letux and to use them just as if I was using my home computer. Only the GUI of the application selected appeared on the screen. I am not sure if that is what you want to do. I can give more details if you need. Lionel On 21 April 2012 00:37, Travis Bachelder tbachel...@shively.com wrote: Just so everyone knows: I am not a programmer (just a dreamer), with no grasp on reality in regards to what is feasible or not. I'll leave it to you (the community) to decide. I was thinking it would be cool if my imaginary cell phone (I also dream of one day owning one) had the capabilities to boot linux from any desktop, via USB, provided it's support. This would grant me access to large programs such as CAD software, Inventor/AutoCAD, music/movies/photos, from where ever a desktop computer was available (BIOS Mooch). I would imagine the phones would need to be outfitted with a small solid state hard drive (at least 60 gb), and it would be nice if it had the ability to share media files (music) between QTmoko and Ubuntu (maybe?). Has anyone ever fantasized about this? Is it feasible? or Possible? Thanks, Travis Bachelder This email was sent by Howell Laboratories, Inc. or Shively Labs. It may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you suspect you were not intended to receive it, please delete it without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender by reply email or by calling 207-647-3327. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy
The phone can present itself as a usb mass storage device (thumb drive), so if you put an OS image on a partition on the SD card (up to 32GB), you could have the desktop boot from that. Ben On 04/22/2012 09:09 AM, Travis Bachelder wrote: Thanks for you input Lionel, Actually: What I am thinking isn't remote. More like having the operating system installed onto the GTA04 (outfitted with a larger hardrive of course). Plug the phone into a computer (via usb perhaps?) then restart computer to boot from the OS installed onto you slick 60 gb GTA04. This seems possible, the only hurdle I see is the hardware, what would it take to outfit a GTA04 phone with a larger hardrive? Thanks, Travis -- Forwarded message -- From: Lionel Brochelionel.bro...@gmail.com To: List for Openmoko community discussioncommunity@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 19:07:22 +0100 Subject: Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy I am not a specialist and I am not sure to understand what you mean by 'boot linux from any desktop', but I have been experimenting remote connections lately so my results may interest you. The idea of remote connection is that you boot your device normally (the client), and access a remote computer (the host) once the operating system is running on the client. Usually you only need a very light operating system so the client machine does not need to be powerful. I have been using a letux 400 (very small device, 2Gb Flash drive, rather slow) as a client to connect to my home computer. Since a letux is (really) not powerful, I dropped the idea of using a full remote desktop but this is likely to be possible on the GTA04 (see Vino, Remmina and others for remote desktop applications). Instead of that, I opened some X windows directly via ssh (use the -X option when you connect with ssh, there is a bit of fidling around with keys and host authoring). This technique allows you to control the GUI of a host from a light remote client. In final I could run some large applications (gimp, blender...) on my letux and to use them just as if I was using my home computer. Only the GUI of the application selected appeared on the screen. I am not sure if that is what you want to do. I can give more details if you need. Lionel On 21 April 2012 00:37, Travis Bacheldertbachel...@shively.com wrote: Just so everyone knows: I am not a programmer (just a dreamer), with no grasp on reality in regards to what is feasible or not. I'll leave it to you (the community) to decide. I was thinking it would be cool if my imaginary cell phone (I also dream of one day owning one) had the capabilities to boot linux from any desktop, via USB, provided it's support. This would grant me access to large programs such as CAD software, Inventor/AutoCAD, music/movies/photos, from where ever a desktop computer was available (BIOS Mooch). I would imagine the phones would need to be outfitted with a small solid state hard drive (at least 60 gb), and it would be nice if it had the ability to share media files (music) between QTmoko and Ubuntu (maybe?). Has anyone ever fantasized about this? Is it feasible? or Possible? Thanks, Travis Bachelder This email was sent by Howell Laboratories, Inc. or Shively Labs. It may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you suspect you were not intended to receive it, please delete it without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender by reply email or by calling 207-647-3327. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy
What if you(I) wanted more than 32 gb? The largest micro SD (NOW) is 64 gbs right? What if you needed larger than that? 250 gb or even 500 gb? Is larger drive space in the GTA04 just a matter of waiting for the micro SD card technology to support larger storage space? If the micro SD is limited on it's storage space, then is the GTA04 board even capable of supporting a built in external hard drive? Or is that make for a serious design change? Thanks, Travis Bachelder -- Forwarded message -- From: Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller h...@goldelico.com To: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org Cc: Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:36:32 +0200 Subject: Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy Hi Travis, Am 22.04.2012 um 15:09 schrieb Travis Bachelder: Thanks for you input Lionel, Actually: What I am thinking isn't remote. More like having the operating system installed onto the GTA04 (outfitted with a larger hardrive of course). Plug the phone into a computer (via usb perhaps?) then restart computer to boot from the OS installed onto you slick 60 gb GTA04. yes you should be able do that. Just configure the USB gadget driver of the GTA04 so that the GTA04 behaves like an external SD card reader and provides access through the USB cable. Then, you plug in the USB cable to the host machine and boot... This seems possible, the only hurdle I see is the hardware, what would it take to outfit a GTA04 phone with a larger hardrive? There is no need for a built-in harddrive. Just a 32 GByte Micro-SD card. And in some future the OMAP CPUs will even support 32 GByte. Thanks, Travis Nikolaus This email was sent by Howell Laboratories, Inc. or Shively Labs. It may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you suspect you were not intended to receive it, please delete it without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender by reply email or by calling 207-647-3327. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA04_This is my Fantasy
I am not a specialist and I am not sure to understand what you mean by 'boot linux from any desktop', but I have been experimenting remote connections lately so my results may interest you. The idea of remote connection is that you boot your device normally (the client), and access a remote computer (the host) once the operating system is running on the client. Usually you only need a very light operating system so the client machine does not need to be powerful. I have been using a letux 400 (very small device, 2Gb Flash drive, rather slow) as a client to connect to my home computer. Since a letux is (really) not powerful, I dropped the idea of using a full remote desktop but this is likely to be possible on the GTA04 (see Vino, Remmina and others for remote desktop applications). Instead of that, I opened some X windows directly via ssh (use the -X option when you connect with ssh, there is a bit of fidling around with keys and host authoring). This technique allows you to control the GUI of a host from a light remote client. In final I could run some large applications (gimp, blender...) on my letux and to use them just as if I was using my home computer. Only the GUI of the application selected appeared on the screen. I am not sure if that is what you want to do. I can give more details if you need. Lionel On 21 April 2012 00:37, Travis Bachelder tbachel...@shively.com wrote: Just so everyone knows: I am not a programmer (just a dreamer), with no grasp on reality in regards to what is feasible or not. I'll leave it to you (the community) to decide. I was thinking it would be cool if my imaginary cell phone (I also dream of one day owning one) had the capabilities to boot linux from any desktop, via USB, provided it's support. This would grant me access to large programs such as CAD software, Inventor/AutoCAD, music/movies/photos, from where ever a desktop computer was available (BIOS Mooch). I would imagine the phones would need to be outfitted with a small solid state hard drive (at least 60 gb), and it would be nice if it had the ability to share media files (music) between QTmoko and Ubuntu (maybe?). Has anyone ever fantasized about this? Is it feasible? or Possible? Thanks, Travis Bachelder This email was sent by Howell Laboratories, Inc. or Shively Labs. It may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you suspect you were not intended to receive it, please delete it without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender by reply email or by calling 207-647-3327. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
GTA04_This is my Fantasy
Just so everyone knows: I am not a programmer (just a dreamer), with no grasp on reality in regards to what is feasible or not. I'll leave it to you (the community) to decide. I was thinking it would be cool if my imaginary cell phone (I also dream of one day owning one) had the capabilities to boot linux from any desktop, via USB, provided it's support. This would grant me access to large programs such as CAD software, Inventor/AutoCAD, music/movies/photos, from where ever a desktop computer was available (BIOS Mooch). I would imagine the phones would need to be outfitted with a small solid state hard drive (at least 60 gb), and it would be nice if it had the ability to share media files (music) between QTmoko and Ubuntu (maybe?). Has anyone ever fantasized about this? Is it feasible? or Possible? Thanks, Travis Bachelder This email was sent by Howell Laboratories, Inc. or Shively Labs. It may contain information that is confidential or privileged. If you suspect you were not intended to receive it, please delete it without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender by reply email or by calling 207-647-3327. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
