Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Al Johnson wrote: On Friday 19 September 2008, Michael Shiloh wrote: Denis Galvão wrote: On 18/09/2008, at 01:56, Adam Bogacki wrote: I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in New Zealand conditions. For sure Adam. Like Michael said, we should start something in the wiki. I was looking for something similar and found this: http://www.sonimtech.com/ This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case. Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? How should be the best way to have this information on the phone? Using an external hardware module? I'm thinking we need to make a generic expandable water proof (or at least harsh conditions proof) case for the FR. Have a look at otterbox.com - their 1900 and 3600 cases may be what you're looking for. I'm going to ask them about custom cases for the openmoko, either as something to clamp around as they do with their other phone-specific cases, or as a total case replacement. Otterbox would consider making a custom case if a sufficiently large order is placed by Openmoko rather than a third party. As a rough guide this is probably thousands rather than tens of thousands. Is there enough demand? We have the outdoor contingent, but that may not be enough. I imagine the Sahana disaster management project [1] would find the phones even more useful if they were more robust, as perhaps would the archaeologists [2][3]. A device that can survive the warehouse or delivery van might find industrial markets, and one that can be dunked in disinfectant or steam cleaned might be useful in a medical environment. [1] http://www.sahana.lk/ [2] http://blogs.thehumanjourney.net/finds/category/OLPA [3] http://gvsigmobileonopenmoko.wordpress.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
On 18 Sep 2008, at 16:54, Tomas Riveros Schober wrote: well i think the gps can give you the altitute, albeit not very precise, but it works fine. It's not in the LEAST bit accurate. Like ±200m or so. This is hopeless if you want to measure the rise fall of the tide, atmospheric pressure for weather purposes or for sports aviation. I don't know if climbers walkers ever use altimeters, but in distinguishing of height, GPS would be poor for that too. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
On 18 Sep 2008, at 13:52, Denis Galvão wrote: ... Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? This would be really cool for glider (hang-glider, paraglider) pilots. They usually carry a combined altimeter / variometer instrument (commonly called a vario, short for vario-altimeter) which, as well as absolute height, indicates rate-of-climb with a (LCD) needle and an audible beep. It can be impossible at height to distinguish if you're going up or down, so pilots rely on this to find thermals in which to climb. It's been a few years since I got my feet off the ground, but back then combined GPS / altimeter units were not common at all - the first one or two models were only just being introduced and were still expensive. But such a combination does allow *accurate* calculation of the best speed to fly against a headwind (or with a tailwind), allowing the pilot to reach the next thermal trigger point (geographic feature which may be expected to kick off a thermal) with the best height and the best chances of catching lift there. Meanwhile all vario units were proprietary software and most premium models appeared to be identical hardware to the cheapest ones, so this would be an excellent opportunity for the Open-Source community to add features. Stroller. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
On Wednesday 17 September 2008, Crane, Matthew wrote: I'm from the coast, into surf/sailing. Ideas: - openmoko attached to bouys, phones home with bouy angle, wave forces - openmoko race application, allow other boats to watch speed, position, and accel forces on race participants (would be cool to see graphic of boat hitting waves and the angle while close hauled, other boats could view visualization when a gust hits a competitor) Even better with a sensor pack for wind speed and direction, heading and speed through the water. I've been looking at the otterbox cases, but a rugged waterproof set of alternative plastics would be even better. Does anyone know if there's a rapid prototyping equivalent of multishot moulding? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
On 18/09/2008, at 01:56, Adam Bogacki wrote: I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in New Zealand conditions. For sure Adam. Like Michael said, we should start something in the wiki. I was looking for something similar and found this: http://www.sonimtech.com/ This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case. Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? How should be the best way to have this information on the phone? Using an external hardware module? Cheers, -- Denis Brazil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case. Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? How should be the best way to have this information on the phone? Using an external hardware module? when designing a waterproof external hardware module for outdoor/sailing applications, please include a big red button which can serve as man-over-board button (press when person falls off the ship, screen will display direction + distance to place where person fell off the ship) or other emergency function. Peter ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
well i think the gps can give you the altitute, albeit not very precise, but it works fine. Crane, Matthew escribió: It would be a pretty straight forward project to make a ez-usb key with a magnetometer and pressure sensor. But maybe it's easier to flywire inside case as I think these chips would be pretty tiny. Of course, it would be super cool to productize a ez-usb project and make it a full sensor add on kit, with gyro, temp, 3d magnetometer, and air pressure. Make a package that fits flush with the moko frame. Air pressure sensor: http://www.vti.fi/en/products/pressure-sensors/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Denis Galvão Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 8:53 AM To: List for Openmoko community discussion Subject: Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates On 18/09/2008, at 01:56, Adam Bogacki wrote: I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in New Zealand conditions. For sure Adam. Like Michael said, we should start something in the wiki. I was looking for something similar and found this: http://www.sonimtech.com/ This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case. Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? How should be the best way to have this information on the phone? Using an external hardware module? Cheers, -- Denis Brazil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Crane, Matthew wrote: It would be a pretty straight forward project to make a ez-usb key with a magnetometer and pressure sensor. I've been dying to do an EZ-USB / Openmoko project, for over a year. This would be way cool. Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Denis Galvão wrote: On 18/09/2008, at 01:56, Adam Bogacki wrote: I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in New Zealand conditions. For sure Adam. Like Michael said, we should start something in the wiki. I was looking for something similar and found this: http://www.sonimtech.com/ This is what Im looking for, at least as a water proof case. Is this possible to use the actual GTA_02 hardware version to do: - Compass ? - Altimeter ? How should be the best way to have this information on the phone? Using an external hardware module? I'm thinking we need to make a generic expandable water proof (or at least harsh conditions proof) case for the FR. For rapid prototyping, the very best interface would be USB. Future applications might tie in at a more intimate level. At least for the sensors mentioned so far the data rate is slow enough that our USB could easily handle it. I'm envisioning something that looks like a Pelican case, one of the smaller ones, with the guts of a FreeRunner and room for additional hardware, perhaps an Arduino board, extra sensors, and an extra battery, but still handheld. Some Pelican cases have a clear cover. I've wondered if there exist waterproof button activators that transmit force via a magnet, like magnetic stirrers or pumps, so that there is no hole in the case, no gaskets, and no place to leak (assuming the original case is waterproof in the first place). Anyone know of such a thing? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. Anyone interested? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Michael Shiloh wrote: Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Cool Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. Anyone interested? If I lived close to an ocean I would be all over this. But if I (51.128, -114.022) have to worry about tides, then there are much bigger issues to worry about :-) -stacy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
On 9/17/08, Michael Shiloh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. Does anyone know of an source for nautical maps that can be used with TangoGPS? It would be cool if nautical maps and tide data were integradted into TangoGPS; click on a point on or near a body of water and TangoGPS could give you a tidal graph for that spot or (if you click on land near the water) the spot at the water's edge nearest to where you selected. -Charles -Charles ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Michael Shiloh wrote: Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. I've used Tide Tool, a nice GPL Palm App mentioned in the review. It's based on XTide which is available in Debian. It runs on my Freerunner, although the UI uses multiple windows in a way that doesn't work well on the small display. That might be a good place to start. Jim ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
I'm from the coast, into surf/sailing. Ideas: - openmoko attached to bouys, phones home with bouy angle, wave forces - openmoko race application, allow other boats to watch speed, position, and accel forces on race participants (would be cool to see graphic of boat hitting waves and the angle while close hauled, other boats could view visualization when a gust hits a competitor) - openmoko in moored yacht, alert/webserve info on forces on boat, similar detect if boat is drifting away from mooring -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:32 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. Anyone interested? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Matthew, I think these ideas are great. I often think that similar applications could be developed using an Arduino board and some specific modules, but once you price it all up you might as well just use a FreeRunner. You've probably seen boat race tracking on Google Maps: http://googlemapsmania.blogspot.com/2008/07/boat-race-tracking-on-google-maps.html Of course, in my sailing days the only electronic device allowed on a boat was a wrist watch, but that's not to say that a wireless marine sensor network wouldn't be fun to play with; I'd welcome Openmoko sailing developments and I'm sure somebody could make a _lot_ of money if they did it properly... :) Joseph /goes off to think about what we used to pay for Fredrickson ratchet blocks... 2008/9/17 Crane, Matthew [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm from the coast, into surf/sailing. Ideas: - openmoko attached to bouys, phones home with bouy angle, wave forces - openmoko race application, allow other boats to watch speed, position, and accel forces on race participants (would be cool to see graphic of boat hitting waves and the angle while close hauled, other boats could view visualization when a gust hits a competitor) - openmoko in moored yacht, alert/webserve info on forces on boat, similar detect if boat is drifting away from mooring -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shiloh Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 12:32 PM To: List for OpenMoko community discussion Subject: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. Anyone interested? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Hi Michael. We have similar toughts about it. What Im willing to do is a real Adventure Phone, based on Freeruneer and Debian. Im planning a water/dirt proof rubber case. Something that should be great is a compass too... Im a brazilian surfer, so this why I think that it could be a real good product. -- Denis On 17/09/2008, at 13:32, Michael Shiloh wrote: Surfers, fisherpeople, and I'm sure others care about the tides. Turns out there are websites and applications that provide this data. For a nice review: http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/003037.php Something like this would seem to be ideal for Openmoko, especially with GPS. Anyone interested? Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Crane, Matthew wrote: I'm from the coast, into surf/sailing. Ideas: - openmoko attached to bouys, phones home with bouy angle, wave forces - openmoko race application, allow other boats to watch speed, position, and accel forces on race participants (would be cool to see graphic of boat hitting waves and the angle while close hauled, other boats could view visualization when a gust hits a competitor) - openmoko in moored yacht, alert/webserve info on forces on boat, similar detect if boat is drifting away from mooring +1! Great ideas. I think there is enough material here and in the previous emails to put together a pre-project, either on projects or as a wiki wishlist item. M ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Idea for Openmoko application: Tide updates
Hi Michael. We have similar toughts about it. What Im willing to do is a real Adventure Phone, based on Freeruneer and Debian. Im planning a water/dirt proof rubber case. Something that should be great is a compass too... Im a brazilian surfer, so this why I think that it could be a real good product. -- Denis Hi Dennis, I like the concept and would like to volunteer to test a prototype in New Zealand conditions. Cheers, Adam Bogacki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
