Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?
On Wednesday 01 December 2010, Gennady Kupava wrote: В Пнд, 29/11/2010 в 01:24 -0800, c_c пишет: Hi, I was looking at arowboat.org - which is a project at getting Android working on all TI OMAP series boards and I saw a link to opensourcemid.org. Apparently, Embest (who also make the DevKit 8000 - a beagle board like board) have made a 7 MID with GPS, camera, mini PCIe (they have a WCDMA module), WiFi and bluetooth running on OMAP 3530. I ordered a device and I find that :- 1. It's built quite well 2. It's responsive and fast (running android 2.1 as of now) 3. The hardware schematics are available online 4. The source code for kernel 2.6.29, x-loader and u-boot are also available online 5. It has a lot of space between the board and the casing - I'm thinking mods like the Freerunner Navigation board 6. The company seems responsive enough I'm now looking at getting a custom kernel (something newer) running on it. Also, I was aondering how do I get SHR ported onto such a device? I have the entire openembedded based SHR build system (something I've been using to build stuff for the FreeRunner) with me - but I'm not sure how to go about changing the target system. Hi, c_c! Thank you for link. Specifications ( http://www.armkits.com/product/k7.asp ) are not really promising fast speeds: it is only 600Mhz cpu, and 'up to' 256 Mb sdram volume is not really good for long term usage. Nothing told about graphic card, so i guess CPU managing LCD, that should eat cpu resources too. So, only caches size, memory type (unspecified) are different from FR. You'll find a more complete spec at opensourcemid.org. Spec is very similar to the beagleboard and n900 - same CPU, same RAM. The CPU has PowerVR SGX530 onboard so I'd be very surprised if it wasn't available for use as it is on the beagleboard, although the accelerated driver is closed. According to same page critical parts are missing from android like power management, bluetooth, usb device support, and mic(!) and device is mostly oriented to WinCE (notice also .asp in web address), this sounds too bad for anyone who want open device, or hackable device with linux on board at all. It may not all be working out of the box, but having the schematics is better than most of the alternatives. Regards, Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?
В Пнд, 29/11/2010 в 01:24 -0800, c_c пишет: Hi, I was looking at arowboat.org - which is a project at getting Android working on all TI OMAP series boards and I saw a link to opensourcemid.org. Apparently, Embest (who also make the DevKit 8000 - a beagle board like board) have made a 7 MID with GPS, camera, mini PCIe (they have a WCDMA module), WiFi and bluetooth running on OMAP 3530. I ordered a device and I find that :- 1. It's built quite well 2. It's responsive and fast (running android 2.1 as of now) 3. The hardware schematics are available online 4. The source code for kernel 2.6.29, x-loader and u-boot are also available online 5. It has a lot of space between the board and the casing - I'm thinking mods like the Freerunner Navigation board 6. The company seems responsive enough I'm now looking at getting a custom kernel (something newer) running on it. Also, I was aondering how do I get SHR ported onto such a device? I have the entire openembedded based SHR build system (something I've been using to build stuff for the FreeRunner) with me - but I'm not sure how to go about changing the target system. Hi, c_c! Thank you for link. Specifications ( http://www.armkits.com/product/k7.asp ) are not really promising fast speeds: it is only 600Mhz cpu, and 'up to' 256 Mb sdram volume is not really good for long term usage. Nothing told about graphic card, so i guess CPU managing LCD, that should eat cpu resources too. So, only caches size, memory type (unspecified) are different from FR. According to same page critical parts are missing from android like power management, bluetooth, usb device support, and mic(!) and device is mostly oriented to WinCE (notice also .asp in web address), this sounds too bad for anyone who want open device, or hackable device with linux on board at all. Regards, Gennady. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?
Hi, I was looking at arowboat.org - which is a project at getting Android working on all TI OMAP series boards and I saw a link to opensourcemid.org. Apparently, Embest (who also make the DevKit 8000 - a beagle board like board) have made a 7 MID with GPS, camera, mini PCIe (they have a WCDMA module), WiFi and bluetooth running on OMAP 3530. I ordered a device and I find that :- 1. It's built quite well 2. It's responsive and fast (running android 2.1 as of now) 3. The hardware schematics are available online 4. The source code for kernel 2.6.29, x-loader and u-boot are also available online 5. It has a lot of space between the board and the casing - I'm thinking mods like the Freerunner Navigation board 6. The company seems responsive enough I'm now looking at getting a custom kernel (something newer) running on it. Also, I was aondering how do I get SHR ported onto such a device? I have the entire openembedded based SHR build system (something I've been using to build stuff for the FreeRunner) with me - but I'm not sure how to go about changing the target system. So here are my questions :- 1. How do I port SHR to this device (or any other for that matter) 2. Would any other distribution in the community be interested? 3. How do I get freesmartphone.org guys etc interested? 4. Is this sort of interest taboo here ;-) I've read enough threads about the next device - but I haven't seen anything remotely open and available at a decent price till now. Maybe I need enlightening - but this device seems interesting enough. And it does give me a new system to build on. I would love to see an SHR / Qt based system for something like this. Andriod is getting better, but frankly, I'd prefer linux based distro any day over it. So, what do you think? Chaitanya -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-I-build-shr-for-it-tp5783703p5783703.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?
Oh! I forgot, it also has 1 mini usb, 2 normal USB ports (keyboard anyone!), a mic, front-facing camera with the connections for a rear facing one on the board, a UART output, SIM slot, TF card slot, audio out and video out. Seems to have pretty much covered everything out there. Disclaimer : I have nothing to do with embest. Just thought I'd let the community now. They claim to be 'open' - maybe the community can see if they truly are. -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-I-build-shr-for-it-tp5783703p5783709.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 01:24:57AM -0800, c_c wrote: So here are my questions :- 1. How do I port SHR to this device (or any other for that matter) Mostly equals to adding support for that device in OpenEmbedded (conf/machine/*.conf) BUG-2.0 (bug20.conf) is using same OMAP, so it shouldn't be that hard. -- Martin 'JaMa' Jansa jabber: martin.ja...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?
Hi Martin, Can you elaborate? Say I add another conf file to conf/machine/ called K7.conf. How do I now make a root image for this arch? Of course, I intend keeping my build system intact for the FR too. So how do I get bitbake to build images for both in different places on my file system. As you can see, I'm quite a noobie when it comes to using bitbake for building images and that sort of thing. Thanks -- View this message in context: http://openmoko-public-mailinglists.1958.n2.nabble.com/Interesting-new-Open-Hardware-how-do-I-build-shr-for-it-tp5783703p5783737.html Sent from the Openmoko Community mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 01:41:18AM -0800, c_c wrote: Hi Martin, Can you elaborate? Say I add another conf file to conf/machine/ called K7.conf. How do I now make a root image for this arch? Of course, I intend keeping my build system intact for the FR too. So how do I get bitbake to build images for both in different places on my file system. As you can see, I'm quite a noobie when it comes to using bitbake for building images and that sort of thing. You can start here: http://wiki.openembedded.org/index.php/Adding_a_new_Machine For SHR builds: If you update MACHINE=K7 in local.conf or auto.conf (if using SHR Makefile) and launch image build it will build new image in deploy/images/K7 with right arch etc. multimachine builds with same tmpdir are working fine so no need to setup another environment (at least all -native builds are shared for multimachine builds) -- Martin 'JaMa' Jansa jabber: martin.ja...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Interesting new 'Open' Hardware how do I build shr for it?
[cut] community now. They claim to be 'open' - maybe the community can see if they truly are. I am not an expert in this matter, but it looks like they provide only electronic schematics. What would be more useful are PCB layouts and some CAD casing drawings. You could compare this to such a situation: I wrote an application and I claim it is open source because I gave you block diagram of how it works. And what about the source code? ;) I know this somehow irrelevant but couldn't find better example. If you want to know more and better ask on gta02-c...@lists.openmoko.org . It is low traffic now, but I believe those brains working on the project are still reading this list. -- Patryk LeadMan Benderz Linux Registered User #377521 () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
