Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 29.12.2009 23:30, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? no Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes (fbreader and listening music) What distribution you run most of the time? shr If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? At the summer, after 1024 and buzz fixes i tried to use it for a two weeks as daily phone, but i lost several important calls and need to reboot twice a day. Will try it with new kernel. -- Regards, Sergey Alembekov ALTLinux Team xmpp: r...@jabber.ru ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
I haven't turned my FR on since I got a nokia n900 a few weeks back. It has all of the things that appeal to me about the FR - I can 'apt-get install' the software I want, I can ssh into it, etc. *BUT* it's better in so many ways. The UI is so much more responsive, the phone is so much more reliable. I can confidently make and receive calls! It has fantastic built-in email and IM apps, and I can run pidgin for IRC. Evince works great, and the wide screen display is gorgeous for reading e-books. It very reliably connects to wifi... It does a great job of playing SD TV episode video. I could go on for a while longer... About the only real negative I've noticed is that the battery life isn't great - I get maybe 12-14 hours on a charge --- it doesn't seem to be suspending at all in the sense that the FR does - I think it just blanks the screen and maybe slows the processor down... Oh, and the equivilent app to 'openmoocow' isn't quite as nice - which is almost a deal-breaker for my 2.5 year old daughter - she definitely prefers the FR. Warren On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- Warren Baird - Photographer and Digital Artist http://www.synergisticimages.ca ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 9 Feb 2010 13:17:17 -0800 (PST) Mike Crash m...@mikecrash.com wrote: No Yes Debian Yes No Debian The recent innovation of compiling the kernel with the go-slow straps removed has had a significant improvement on my experience. Now if only I could figure out why the gprs is not reliable I'd be on my way to being happy. I guess we cannot hope for the GSM firmware being made open-source... (any New Zealand residents out there? I visited NZ in Jan, bought a 2degrees SIM can and found that I couldn't send SMS messages though receiving and calls were fine. SIM worked fine in another phone. Does anyone else experience that?) NeilBrown ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 6 February 2010 21:16, Ed Falk f...@efalk.org wrote: I bought my Freerunner over a year ago. On the first boot, it made a very loud raucus sound which, as far as I know, blew out the speaker, as I have never heard an undistorted sound come out of it. [...] Hmm, sounds like a few possible hardware issues there. However... Is there a how to document on the wiki that might tell someone in my shoes how to bring the device up to date so that I can try again? Step 1: Try turning it on and plugging in the wall charger - to find out if it is working well enough to get charged up. (In the early days, there were serious problems if the battery became completely empty...) Step 2: Once fully charged, follow the instructions for flashing and trying out SHR-Testing. Regards, Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your FreeRunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. What distribution you run most of the time? I use only QtMoko. -- Sometimes I forget how to do small talk: http://xkcd.com/222/ “If you have to ask why, you’re not a member of the intended audience.” — Bob Zimbinski, http://webpages.mr.net/bobz/ttyquake/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bootloaders - part 2 (Was: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Tuesday 05 January 2010, Torfinn Ingolfsen wrote: On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND. It makes me wonder why the missing functionality (ability to read parameters from a file o something else in nand) wasn't implemented in the main Qi instead of forking it. I find uboot very easy for multibooting. Interesting. Care to tell more about your setup? Which distributions are yu multibooting? Android, SHR, QtMoko, Hackable? One in NAND and three or four on a sd card? If you decide to switch sd card, do you hve to update uboot settings? i have an old Android in NAND that I keep meaning to get rid of, but not getting round to. The 8GB uSD is: mmcblk0p1: 0.5G vfat for Android mmcblk0p2: 0.5G ext3 for Android mmcblk0p3: 0.5G ext3 for a rootfs mmcblk0p5: 0.5G ext3 for a rootfs mmcblk0p6: 2G ext3 for a rootfs mmcblk0p7: 4G ext3 for shared storage (navit and tangogps maps, music, swapfile etc.) I configured boot parameters for NAND, p3, p5 and p6 using the uboot cli soon after I got the FR, and tweaked it to work with kernels 2M when that became an issue. I have rarely touched it since. When I want to try a new image I untar the rootfs to p3, 5 or 6, tweak the fstab and network settings to suit my setup, and select the partition form the uboot menu. So far I've used various Om, FSO and SHR images without problems. I doubt Debian, Hackable or QtMoko would be significantly more difficult, and if I got rid of Android I could use the first couple of partitions for more rootfs. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Em 03-01-2010 06:10, Ken Young escreveu: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? There's no decent PDA software for the FR, and I have no other, so No. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-u Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Koolu's Qi fork (was: Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.uk writes: I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also requires you to have custom bootloader? I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND. I find uboot very easy for multibooting. First of all, i do not exactly understand why koolu decided that they really need another MTD partitioning scheme. There was never any discussion about that. Second, they should have warned their users in a big bold letters. -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have it upgraded? Yes, but I upgraded it long before the first time I tried GPRS. So perhaps there were problems before that. The phone functionality improved with the GSM firmware update - no more people complaining they called me while nothing happened on the device. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
bootloaders (Was: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/30/09, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote: I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also requires you to have custom bootloader? None that I know of. But the main problem is that you can't (as a user) easily multiboot between one image in NAND and sevaral images on SD card. Let's see: - Qi is missing the so-called multiboot partition that was proposed to fix this. There has been a few attempts to create a write up that explains how to set up all this, but AFAIk, today there isn't a complete ow-to anywhere. In my eyes, this makes qi incomplete. - uboot has problem with bigger kernels, and besides you still have to configure it by hand for each partition you want to boot (whoever thought that up? an ex-grub developer? Why can't uboot figure out this on its own? Why does it nedd the help of a human for such a simple task?) - you have already mentioned the forked Qi that Android needs. Have I forgotten anything? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Bootloaders - part 2 (Was: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Al Johnson openm...@mazikeen.demon.co.ukwrote: I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND. It makes me wonder why the missing functionality (ability to read parameters from a file o something else in nand) wasn't implemented in the main Qi instead of forking it. I find uboot very easy for multibooting. Interesting. Care to tell more about your setup? Which distributions are yu multibooting? Android, SHR, QtMoko, Hackable? One in NAND and three or four on a sd card? If you decide to switch sd card, do you hve to update uboot settings? -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? shr-u ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0200 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? I still use my palm pilot as my PDA through I am writing an application for SHR to replace the palm pilot. -- Michael Smith Network Applications www.netapps.com.au | +61 (0) 416 062 898 Web Hosting | Internet Services ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes, though my use of a PDA is a bit scarce. Mostly GPS-based functions (OSM tracks and the such). What distribution you run most of the time? A (somewhat outdated) shr-u. Happy new year to all of you. -- Olivier ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes, since july 2008 (rev5, buzzfixed one year later) Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR for a long time, Android currently (very comfy + great browser/wifi) If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) You're welcome. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
jeremy jozwik wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? yes yes shr-u ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
no no shr-u On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Bernd Prünster bernd.pruens...@gmail.com wrote: jeremy jozwik wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? yes yes shr-u ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
* Ken Young wrote, Il 03/01/2010 07:10: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes, but always with some problems. The *biggest* problem is battery life of my FR, because some times i cannot finish a day with a full charge, doing only some short calls. It's a big issue from day 0, IMHO, never really solved. I'm very happy of the screen and solid design of the FR, but his graphic speed and responsiveness (with QtMoko, at least) some times it's not good. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes, but without the copy/paste fuction and a still not so good touch keyboard, also here i've some problem. But using it as a pure GPS device, it's really good. What distribution you run most of the time? QtMoko (latest version compilad and maintained by the great Radek Polak), that is Qt based over a Debian (as i understand). -- Andrea ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Ken Young r...@cfa.harvard.edu writes: there is really no hope at that a group of people such as the gta02-core team, working part time with no large corporate sponsor, will ever produce a product with hardware on a par with what the big players are contemporaneously offering. Do you still don't know to never underestimate enthusiasts?. -- Esben Stien is b...@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before the fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone. However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR (without buzz-fix). I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no problems with sound quality. So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner expierences a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. Hope that helps, Michael signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? QtMoko If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Sometime ago I has two phones, a Nokia 5130 and a Nokia 5310, but I think in the complete change to the clear side of the force, and sold together and bought another Neo Freerunner for diary use and one for experiments!!! Actually have one for diary use and for experiments... Thank you :) -- http://nuevaeracr.blogspot.com Linux user number 478378 Linux machine number 386687 Tec. Esteban Monge Marín Tel: (506) 8379-3562 “No habrá manera de desarrollarnos y salir de la pobreza mientras los pocos negocios grandes de nuestro medio se entreguen a las economías foráneas y nosotros nos quedemos con solo negocios de pobre, mientras en vez de ser propietarios de nuestro propio país nos convirtamos en un ejército de empleados del exterior” José Figueres Ferrer, 1952. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Michael Zanetti michael_zane...@gmx.netwrote: On Friday 01 January 2010 20:35:03 Jens Seidel wrote: On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). I own a rev. A5 freerunner and was seriously affected by the buzz problem. After applying the hardware fix the audio quality improved a lot. Before the fix there was no chance to use the FR as a phone. However, the audio quality was never as good as on a friends rev A7 FR (without buzz-fix). I did a lot of experimenting and tweaking with all possible audio parameters but the volume has always been either too low or distorted. He just uses the default audio configs and has nearly no problems with sound quality. So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. It is definetly worth it if you, or better said your call partner expierences a rather loud buzz. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls... d Hope that helps, Michael ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Buzz fix (Was: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
* Davide Scaini wrote, Il 04/01/2010 23:05: The fix will remove that buzz but won't fix other issues like rustling, echo or low volume. Those issues can mostly be addressed with software. The same happened to me, but i didn't find a viable software cnfiguration to use the fr as a phone. What about you? I'm really looking forward to replace my nokia N70 with fr for calls... I agree. Me too i have especially the low volume problem (i'm with QtMoko). I tried everything via mixer software, but without any success: phone calls are always with tiny volume, in an open space or also in a car, it's really difficult to ear the call. My phone it's a V6 release and without any buzzfix. Any suggestion? -- Andrea ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
Ken Young wrote: My two cents: If I were dictator of the gta02-core team (instead of someone who doesn't even contribute), I would repurpose the device as a GPS PDA. I would remove all the radio components except for the WiFi, and try to optimize for the longest battery life possible. Companies who were looking for a device for some project often asked Openmoko Inc. if they could have a GTA02 with some features removed or with other - often small - changes. Unfortunately, Openmoko Inc. did not have the resources for making such derivatives. However, this is a promise the approach chosen for gta02-core holds: with the whole design out in the open (Open Design Hardware [1]), anyone can independently define, implement, and produce derivatives. [1] http://people.openmoko.org/werner/openness/odhwdr-v1.pdf This doesn't mean that everyone is forced to fight all alone. To the contrary, there are many possible synergies along the way that are not visible as such in the traditional product development process, such as shared sourcing or shared manufacturing. For example, if you want to make your GPS PDA, you may choose a set of changes that fits your budget, e.g., by staying with the overall platform and physical shape but removing subsystems you don't need. When it then comes to sourcing components and manufacturing, the same facilities used for making the phone could offer their services also to your project. The incremental cost for them would be very small, much smaller than running a completely different product of similar complexity. Also the core company (or whatever form of organization) in charge of the base design would benefit. If it has spare engineering resources to put into derivative projects, it can choose to do so, favouring projects that best suit its agenda. If not, others can help out. Thus, the business opportunity is not wasted - it only goes to someone else you could think of as an ally. Even better, resources that can be shared contribute back to the whole ensemble of projects. E.g., if your PDA is wildly successful, sourcing may be able to get much getter conditions for parts than they did with just the phone. Or a new type of subsystem gets researched and is then available as a possible building block for the entire architectural family. Thus also the phone benefits. Now some may say that this is crazy and that anyone handing out designs so liberally would be robbed by competitors. In my experience, it's surprisingly hard to get people to steal your cool new ideas. Eventually, the thieves and parasites will show up, but you have to be successful for an awfully long time before they even notice you. [...] but rather to point out that there is really no hope at that a group of people such as the gta02-core team, working part time with no large corporate sponsor, will ever produce a product with hardware on a par with what the big players are contemporaneously offering. I agree on the point that there's no hope to mass-produce a phone without suitable resources. The resources don't have to be in one hand (e.g., you could have a consortium of entities each contributing their own capabilities and splitting the proceeds), but they have to be available. However, I don't think it's necessary to compete on leading edge technology. Often enough, less advanced components will yield an equally satisfying product. Besides, companies that don't have the sexiest product in their sector of the market are often much friendlier towards openness than those who do. Please don't take the poor performance of GTA01 or GTA02 as too much of an indicator of what second best can do. Both are based on very conservative designs (e.g., no DDR) and GTA02 has two thirds of its high-throughput peripherals share an incredibly slow bus. (Think of a first-generation PCI-based PC where someone chooses to use ISA cards for video and the SCSI controller. Would such a system properly represent the typical performance of the PCI architecture ?) The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies. In contrast, I think there still might be an unexploited niche in the GPS-PDA arena. I think there is a whole universe full of unexplored niches. It's hidden from us by a tall wall called high cost of entry. If we can find ways to lower that wall, a lot of interesting things should happen. - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org wrote: The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies. There is also the openpandora project: http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=2Itemid=2lang=en Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? Can be the ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz used in a future phone? Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
Hi, I would love to have an open phone with OMAP processor like OpenPandora and BeagleBoard. Both have the OMAP 3530 with 3D acceleration and DSP. Maybe a phone doesn't need the DSP. But it is amazingly powersufficient, IMO. The phone would be up to date from processor power, and there should not be a resource problem so soon, I guess. BeagleBoard and OpenPandora are both well supported in OE, so from SW-side there should not be so much effort (in theorie, you kow...). From HW-side another nicy is the POP (package on package). In the BeagleBoard they are using a variant, where the RAM and NAND (both in one Chip) is soldered on top of the processor, so the high speed lines to DDR-RAM are not going through the PCB (on the other of course, you have the process of soldering...). ... just dreaming ... Joerg On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 20:39 +0100, Laszlo KREKACS wrote: On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Werner Almesberger wer...@openmoko.org wrote: The 2442 is now about five years old, and it shows all over the place. In an updated but similar design, unlike gta02-core suitable for mass-production, I would use something like the 2450, which has high-speed USB, 2D acceleration, and other goodies. There is also the openpandora project: http://www.open-pandora.org/index.php?option=com_contentview=categorylayout=blogid=2Itemid=2〈=en Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? Can be the ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz used in a future phone? Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Whither open hardware ? (was Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?)
Laszlo KREKACS wrote: Is it unsuitable for a phone because of power inefficiency? Can be the ARM Cortex-A8 600Mhz used in a future phone? There are many component choices for future phones. Things to consider when choosing chips include: - do they fit the intended purpose ? - are they open enough for our purposes ? - are they available (to us) ? - will they be available as long as we need them ? - are they affordable ? - what are the integration costs ? - what are the opportunity costs ? - do they work as intended ? - how do they fit our technical capabilities ? - what legal exposures do they cause ? Of course, you don't see companies advertize much on the issues listed above. Quite to the contrary - how often does one see a feature presented as patented proprietary technology as if this was a good thing ? - Werner ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Hi Risto, what would be your answers? Here is a quick sum up of the answers. Including answers from shr-user list as well: responded 81 Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes 55, No 26 Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes 58, No 23 What distribution you run most of the time? (some gave more then 1 distro, max 2 were counted) SHR 63 QTMoko 10 Debian 6 H:1 4 Gentoo 2 Android 2 om2008 2 Kind Regards Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes (GPS and GPRSIRC, for other tasks I use my eeepc) What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-testing If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? I had to go back to my wife's old Nokia but after #1024 fix (http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/2009/12/fixing-openmoko-hardware-bug-1024/) I upgraded to latest SHR-testing and got many issues fixed (battery life and audio quality improved a lot). Thank you :) Thank you :) -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: Hi Risto, what would be your answers? Here is a quick sum up of the answers. Including answers from shr-user list as well: responded 81 Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes 55, No 26 Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes 58, No 23 What distribution you run most of the time? (some gave more then 1 distro, max 2 were counted) SHR 63 QTMoko 10 Debian 6 H:1 4 Gentoo 2 Android 2 om2008 2 Kind Regards Petr Wow, thanks for this summary!! r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 16:44, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 14:07, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: P Perhaps some remaining users and developers P from others FreeRunner distributions will be persuaded by the result P to also migrate to SHR. and that would be a good thing? not sure everybody would want to reboot everytime after gprs usage [1] and not have sent sms storage [2],[3]... Petr [1] http://trac.freesmartphone.org/ticket/474 [2] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/231 [3] http://trac.shr-project.org/trac/ticket/386 WTF? Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different view for sent messages yet. And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) Ok, looked at that ticket more carefully and edited it. But still, it doesn't make your point valid ;) And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd-fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) (But I don't think it's good to have everyone using one distro. Of course as SHR developer I would like more users, but as free software developer in general I think it's really important to have choice. And to not spread FUD :P) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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WTF? Not necessary here IMHO. Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different view for sent messages yet. And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today. And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd-fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know about the ogsmd-fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it, holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before jumping to his other duties. strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs. And to not spread FUD :P) looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being constructively critical but not FUD spreading. cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Sat, Jan 2, 2010 at 19:33, Petr Vanek van...@penguin.cz wrote: WTF? Not necessary here IMHO. Sorry, I'm not native speaker, so this doesn't have such strong meaning for me, maybe WTH could be better ;) Sent sms storage is implemented for quite long time... They are just displayed together with incoming ones, as there is no different view for sent messages yet. And thanks for reminding us about 386, it probably should be closed now :) thanks for reopening the bug for the missing view. i am testing this now and for some reason i can receive sms from other people, i can also send sms and yes, can see them in the inbox (great, thank you) but when sending sms to myself, never seem to receive (or perhaps just see?) the message in inbox. this led me to the conclusion sent messages are not saved because for a message from me to me i can see just one message and not two. this is on shr-u, upgraded today. That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen when sending from opimd-utils) And that strange GPRS issue (which is even more strange to me, because I never had that on my FR :x) is going to be resolved soon with ogsmd-fsogsmd transition (which is also going to give us nice performance boost) just because you never had it does not mean it doesn't exist. i know I perfectly know that, read again what I wrote and don't worry :P about the ogsmd-fsogsmd transition and am eagerly waiting for it, holding by breath and wishing Mickey will manage to have it done before jumping to his other duties. strangely enough, i didn't have the GPRS issue for some time before Christmas, now it bites every time i use gprs. And to not spread FUD :P) looking at the tickets (reopened and existing), i am aware of being constructively critical but not FUD spreading. Well, both of SHR tickets you mentioned were closed when you wrote that mail. One of them I reopened after I read it, but due to other reasons than mentioned in your mail (as I removed storing sent messages and also few other already implemented things from this ticket). Maybe, again, FUD is too strong wording, but still your point wasn't valid ;) cheers Petr -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes yes What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? SHR unstable Thank you :) r -- Klaus 'mrmoku' Kurzmann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? Yes since 26c3 Yes H:1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs after a bit. I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel stack. It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen kB is enough. When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying to do, and I can see that wget is actually in stalled state after the first kB. If I retry the download with the continue option, it eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd or around this... Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so upgrading the root filesystem doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - if it is a kernel problem. If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem could be there too. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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That can be bug then, I'll try to check it (I'm sure it doesn't happen when sending from opimd-utils) hmm, all my test sms messages to myself eventually arrived during the evening*. i haven't heard notify (but the phone was tucked in my pocket), so most probably not a fr bug unless somewhere deep in framework-calypso communication causing some delays in receiving. but the GSM signal here is quite weak so who knows... * hey, that storage is great, now only the sent view is missing :)) cheers Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Not anymore Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No What distribution you run most of the time? Android If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? HTC Magic (Android) because it works and brings some freedom anyway ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 1/2/10, Helge Hafting helge.haft...@hist.no wrote: Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs after a bit. I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. The problem happens somewhere between the wget application and the kernel stack. It shows up with larger files being downloaded. Not too large, a few dozen kB is enough. When I see it happening, I repeat the wget download that opkg was trying to do, and I can see that wget is actually in stalled state after the first kB. If I retry the download with the continue option, it eventually downloads the whole file, retry after retry, chunk by chunk. This only happens with GPRS, so I assume it is related to kernel or pppd or around this... Have you tried a different kernel? The kernel is in a separate flash, so upgrading the root filesystem doesn't change the kernel, it must be installed separately. It could help - if it is a kernel problem. If nothing helps, consider trying a different phone company. The problem could be there too. Helge Hafting AFAIR there was some problem like that with GSM firmware. Do you have it upgraded? -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Not anymore. I did for several months. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes, I still find it to be a wonderfully fun GPS-enabled PDA. I just got an N900, and I was quite surprised to find that the Freerunner's display is nicer. The N900 has 25% more pixels, but the Freerunner's display is brighter, and seems to have higher contrast. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-u My two cents: If I were dictator of the gta02-core team (instead of someone who doesn't even contribute), I would repurpose the device as a GPS PDA. I would remove all the radio components except for the WiFi, and try to optimize for the longest battery life possible. Those of us who have been following the Openmoko phones since before the release of the gta01 will remember that Sean Moss-Pultz use to give presentations in which one of the slides said that one of his big itches, one of the things that lead him to work on a phone, was the desire to be able to execute [quote] An adaptation of my favorite command in all of computing root apt-get install [end quote] Many of us read or heard those words and were hooked. But the cell phone world has changed dramatically since the introduction of the gta01. When the gta01 was announced, GPS hardware was quite rare in a phone (the first generation iPhone didn't have it, for example), and those few phones which did have it had often been intentionally crippled by the wireless service providers (at least in the US), so that they could offer additional-fee location based services which were uniformly terrible. Needless to say, third parties were not encouraged to write GPS enabled software for those phones. Today, it goes without saying that any new smartphone will have GPS, and on many platforms, application developers have access to the GPS information. Today, you can buy an N900 from Nokia, and apt-get install ... will work like a charm. Nokia allows the user to run as root. Their OS on that phone is pretty familiar to Debian users. I know that many of the critical components on that phone are closed, and that owners are at the mercy of Nokia's decision as to whether or not to support new kernel releases, etc. But on the other side of the equation, the phone works well now, is 3G-enabled, has a good camera, has an audio system that does not clip bass frequencies, has USB 2 rather than 1.1, has a much faster processor, an FM transmitter/receiver, more RAM, GSM quad-band (not tri-band), etc., ad nausium. My point is not to be a shill for Nokia (though I'm sure that's exactly what I sound like), but rather to point out that there is really no hope at that a group of people such as the gta02-core team, working part time with no large corporate sponsor, will ever produce a product with hardware on a par with what the big players are contemporaneously offering. That wasn't really as clear when the gta01 was offered. It had hardware that was better than average in some respects (GPS, high resolution display), and worse than average in others (CPU and connectivity). The gta01 could hold its own against a Treo. I don't think we'll see an openmoko phone that can hold its own against a modern smartphone. In software too, the situation has changed dramatically. When the gta01 was announced, other smartphones were running terrible OSs like PalmOS, or early versions of whatever the hell Microsoft was calling Windows CE that week. Now there's WebOS, Android, Maemo and OS X availble on phones, all based on some Unix-like OS. Are they free? No. But they aren't simply hopeless for multi tasking like PalmOS was. I'm sure there are people reading this who won't care about that. The mere fact that there are many people reading this mailing list who still care about the Freerunner, even though they don't use it as their real phone is a testiment to the loyalty of the openmoko community, and how much we all wanted the Freerunner to succeed. If a gta02-core or gta03 phone is ever offered for sale to the general public, I'll buy one. But I don't think there is any chance at all that such a phone will sell even at the volume the Freerunner did. And that was not enough to keep Openmoko Co. in the phone business.If you read the posts to this list that were made shortly after the Freerunner went on sale, it's clear that the phone was bought by some people who really just wanted a high-end smartphone, and who were not geeks who enjoyed reading about ALSA files on the wiki site. The IRC channel was a lively beehive, with participants of widely varying skills. If another openmoko phone ever goes on sale, I predict it will be bought only by the most fanatic FOSS enthusiasts. In contrast, I think there still might be an unexploited niche in the GPS-PDA arena. Everyone knows the Freerunner has excited geocachers, hikers, bikers, etc. I don't know of any company such as Garmin or Magellen offering a
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes!! Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes! What distribution you run most of the time? Debian!! -- 活着！ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2010/1/1 qu kai qukaim...@gmail.com Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes! but I use i the mobile as often as i used it before i had the moko. (had no other mobile) So not to often. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes! pretty much the same here. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR -- 活着！ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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answering for two people here: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? android, shr --- Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? no Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? shr Petr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Le 29.12.09 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No What distribution you run most of the time? SHR or hackable:1 If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? The most simple Nokia money can buy. I need to be able to answer phones, not: - scream because buzzing makes it impossible for anybody to understand me - taking 4 times as much time for writng an SMS compared to the most cheap Nokia - constantly loosing SMS or having long SMS cut in two - rebooting two or three times a day before receiving calls or being able to make - taking 5 minutes to write an appointement when it takes me 10 seconds to do with my do-it-yourself-paper-agenda I still like it as GPS and GPRS modem, and as mp3-player, though. I'm planning to fix it in my car as that... I still think it's a great experiment on open-source development, and I don't mind having paid the money for it. Furthermore I get very impressed by the quality of simple Nokia or other phones ;) Linus ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, Jan 01, 2010 at 07:26:37PM +0100, Esben Damgaard wrote: Yes and no. I have two Freerunners (and a gta01 that collects dust). One without buzzfix. Using it for testing, programming and playing. Other one with buzzfix and using it as primary phone. I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). So I wonder whether it's worth to get such a fix. Jens ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Jens Seidel jenssei...@users.sf.net wrote: I'm curious, do you notice any difference between the buzz fixed one and the other? I read that only a few phones are affected by the buzz problem but nearly all (including the buzz fixed ones) have major problems with audio quality (noise, echo). im curious how many people have played around with there mickeyterm settings. my phones audio is just as bad as any other phone ive had. not buzz fix. with audio as low as it may be. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? NO Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-Unstable with own apps If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? A little more stabilitiy, but i consider it as a hacking device, and you could not hack it if you are using it as a daily phone ;) Maybe with some distro evolution I lack time to test all the distros. Thank you :) You are wellcome r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user -- ___ Rafael Campos o0 Methril 0o http://openblog.methril.net/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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yes yes H:1 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Dienstag 29 Dezember 2009 21:30:53 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No What distribution you run most of the time? SHR unstable If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Palm Pre (but never used FR as primary phone), i'm seeing the FR as my toy. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? YES. It's my only phone for over a year. I did the buzzfix and gps cap myself and got no complaints there. Adjusting the call volume is a sorely missed feature, though. But the slowness of the software does tend to screw up things when more than one thing happens at the same time (simultaneous incoming calls, etc.) Do you use FR as your primary PDA? YES. GPS, password vault, the occasional Mokomaze. GPRS and WIFI are too unstable for any real connection, so no web or email. And bluetooth is just not there (no GUI == not there for the user). Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs after a bit. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U (currently the old one from September, which works stable enough as a phone.) The new Testing is quite broken, and I couldn't understand why the new Unstables where older than the Testing ones. Now that I see a lot of people is using the Unstable, it's probably meant to be like that -- and just opkg upgrade all the time. Will try it today... If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? I haven't switched out because it is good enough as a simple working phone and a very basic GPS. Other than that, it is crap. I don't blame the community for the state of things; I think that Openmoko.com started by biting off much more than it could chew, failed to build a solid community, then realized the dead end which they put themselves into, and backed out on all of us into plan B. I understand the economics that forced OM to reboot and start over with the Wikireader, but I will always resent the fact that I spent 300 EUR on a badly designed and even worse tested hardware. I cannot forgive them for releasing this HW into the public without a fully patched kernel and drivers and a full list of known caveats after an honest effort to completely test the device. They somehow thought that time-to-market was more important than quality and reliability. Personally, I think there is no forgiveness for them because of this. Having said that, I am admired at this community that still keeps kicking the dead horse with a passion, and there is a small thread of hope inside my heart that this brick will someday fulfill at least half of its promises. And if it does, it will all be due to the work of these last few heroes - and I thank you so much. The Openmoko project is to me a disappointment as big as the cancellation of SG-1 and Firefly: there was still so much to do and say, but economics had the last word. Well, at least there are positive things left behind like the FSO and the colorful ecosystem of other distros and apps. Have a nice 2010 everyone!! :D May the source always be with you. Thank you :) r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? YesI guess. Though I don't use it in the PDA sense for much other than playing games and ssh'ing into my home pc. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U/T until recently. I've started trying some of the other distros available. Currently am playing with Android. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Not yet hoping to fix the audio quality issue (I had a buzz fix but still not usable in calls - if you have some idea how to configure frameworkd.conf please reply to the thread on shr-users list [shr-user] fine tuning audio) Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U (and shr-t on nand). I have to say that i used a lot debian (but missing a confortable input system, because of very old illume); tried several times android, and latest one from community was great, but I don't want to flash it on my nand. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? A dumb phone just to call. I hate smartphones and fr can't place a call with good quality (and i suspect i'm affected from 1024 bug). Thank you :) you're welcome :P r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Shr-User mailing list shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org http://lists.shr-project.org/mailman/listinfo/shr-user ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Partly - i.e. reading my gmail with links2. Other email is elsewhere, and I don't do electronic calendaring or task tracking. What distribution you run most of the time? Debian. Neil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-unstable. I upgrade often, except that I wait when others run into some new problem. Then I wait for resolution, which normally don't take long. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? If I change, it will be to correct various problems: * Buzz and bass problems. Can be fixed with capacitors, but that won't be free and it won't help with the slowness problem. A BT headset will probably solve my sound issues, and can be carried over to future phones. But it means an extra device to bring, and another battery to charge. :-/ * Slowness. Of course, the new SHR-U helped. And we may still see improvements in X and elsewhere. Still, it seems the device has a slow memory bus, a slow connection to its SDcard, and slow graphics. It is useable, but a really snappy phone could be tempting. IF it runs a user-modifiable linux, that is! Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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-Original Message- From: shr-user-boun...@lists.shr-project.org on behalf of Vasco Névoa Sent: Thu 12/31/2009 7:20 PM Cc: List for Openmoko community discussion; shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org Subject: Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? [...] Adjusting the call volume is a sorely missed feature, though. The new SHR-U has that for you. :-) [...] GPRS and WIFI are too unstable for any real connection, so no web or email. My experience is that GPRS has been stable for a long time, and WIFI is fine _if_ the phone don't suspend. So keep it on, either by plugging in power, or by turning suspend off in shr-settings. There is one annoying problem if several of GPRS/USB/WIFI is used - the last one to be used changes /etc/resolv.conf, and if that connection quits then the remaining ones may fail to look up names. Can be fixed by restarting the remaining connection. And bluetooth is just not there (no GUI == not there for the user). Does anyone else have trouble doing opkg ugrade over gprs? mine hangs after a bit. I never tried that - but make sure the thing doesn't suspend. Plug in power, or turn suspend off. Helge Hafting ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Risto H. Kurppa a écrit : Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No, HTC G1 What distribution you run most of the time? In my job on FR : an old shr-testing In my private life : recently switch to Hackable1:rev5 chuck (loving gnome :d) If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Missing calls, Buzz issue (now fixed), EDGE/3G access, battery life and missing integrated hardware keyboard (loving my g1 :d) Thank you :) You're welcome :) r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. What distribution you run most of the time? Debian. Quite happy nowadays to about everything except lack of 3G data and well, also the GPRS hickups that need some care not to bump into when using Neo's connection from a laptop. Replaced midori with woosh which starts up very fast (compared to midori). It would need packaging, though... One more thing is that some day I should try my luck with navit + speech again. I'm quite fine with TangoGPS for my needs, but navit would make it a real navigator. -Timo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Am Dienstag, den 29.12.2009, 22:30 +0200 schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? shr-t bernhard ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Risto, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? I was using it as my primary phone for more than 1 year. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? the same as above. What distribution you run most of the time? first Om2007, Om2008, then SHR testing If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? two weeks ago I switched to nokia n900 and I like its responsiveness :-) -- Alef ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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1) not any more 2) no 3) gentoo 4) opkg nightmares, very slow development, instability of existing core software and i have no time to work on it. using a blackberry. it just works. On 12/29/2009 03:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? not yet Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Have not switched over to FR yet, but still using my 9y old Nokia as PIM is not sufficient on FR yet. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? om2008.12+fdom with qtopia and lot of changes and customizations ;) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U, but will try QTMoko also If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Sound during calling is still an issue for me. Addressee of my calls are still complaining, even after buzz fix... Thank you :) Thank You! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 12/29/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U Thank you :) You're welcome Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi writes: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Still yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. What distribution you run most of the time? Debian unstable. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? The largest issue currently is sound quality during call. I have managed to get rid of buzz and echo but sometimes people complain that they can't hear what I am saying and sometimes the sound is amplified so much that it gets distorted. I have not been able to identify why this behavior seems to change. Current solution is just to make sure that the amplification is so low that no distortion happens and then use a quick icewm menu entry to up the volume if other side seems to suffer from the can't hear you very loudly issue. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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No and no. Primarily call quality was never satifying, mostly for the other side. Echo is too annoying. Also phone is unreliable because of WSOD. I use my FR as my hacking toy.My primary distro is H:1 On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors timo.lindf...@iki.fi wrote: Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi writes: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Still yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. What distribution you run most of the time? Debian unstable. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? The largest issue currently is sound quality during call. I have managed to get rid of buzz and echo but sometimes people complain that they can't hear what I am saying and sometimes the sound is amplified so much that it gets distorted. I have not been able to identify why this behavior seems to change. Current solution is just to make sure that the amplification is so low that no distortion happens and then use a quick icewm menu entry to up the volume if other side seems to suffer from the can't hear you very loudly issue. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- - Atilla Filiz Eindhoven University of Technology Embedded Systems, Master's Programme ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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1. not yet 2. not yet 3. QTMoko / H1 I currently use a basic Nokia Phone. I am waiting for a decent agenda synchronisation system to use the FR as a daily phone. Regards, Thomas ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-u If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Using my old Nokia, waiting for better PIM on FR. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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yes yes qtmoko/shr ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On 12/29/09, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) Yes Yes SHR-U/playing with Gentoo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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В Втр, 29/12/2009 в 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa пишет: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. But in fact I've not use pda before, so not much from that functionality. Most used non-phone functions is music player. Sound quality is nice for phone, happy with upload method - just scp/mc, and with playing software supporting any music formats. Intone in shr have own bugs and sometimes annoyingly slow due to mmc speed, but exactly I want from player. Mplayer in debian-based distributions (moved only soon). What distribution you run most of the time? 80% time were SHR-Unstable, QTmoko for some time, but recently switched to H:1 for phone software, first flashed to test it, but found it better that recent shr on my taste. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? n/a. Problems with FR are not strong enough to switch. Gennady ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? debian ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Yes, although i wish it would be better with core phone services Yes SHR-unstable 2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Risto H. Kurppa ha scritto: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r -- Michele Abbrescia ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Il giorno Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:30:53 +0200 la Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi cusku di'e: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? not yet Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? debian / qtmoko If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? never switched from my previous phone because of in-call audio quality PIM is getting better, I like osmo very much -- ...all is relative, so don't think you're on the right side... :: send all your mail in plain ASCII text, please :: http://www.ebruni.it/docs/pippolone196/index.htm GPGkey 0xCED2206BLinux counter registered user n° 356433 http://www.no1984.org/ http://www.againsttcpa.com/ ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Dec 30, 2009, at 1:08 AM, DRSp. wrote: Am 29.12.2009 21:30, schrieb Risto H. Kurppa: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U latest ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:30:53 +0300, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U lastest If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Missing some PIM (especially phonebook) functionality integration (contact's sort order), audio quality (volume level), battery, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? QtMoko -- Vincent Meurisse ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Nope, sold it to buy an N900. I enjoyed the concept a lot, but I needed something that works. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Almost, I'm starting in these days. Yes. SHR-U On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.frwrote: On Tuesday 29 December 2009 21:30:53 Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Nope, sold it to buy an N900. I enjoyed the concept a lot, but I needed something that works. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No. I still test stuff on it when time permits. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No. Currently, I don't have a PDA. The only thing I need from a PDA is to sync with my calendar at work (Exchange mailbox), and the FreeRunner can't do that (yet?). What distribution you run most of the time? QtMoko. Note: I would have tested more distributions had there existed an _easy_ way to boot several distributions (multi-boot) from one SD card. Currently it seems that each distribution requires a different bootloader. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Nokia E61, then a Nokia basic model (the E61 died( I never switched _to_ the FreeRunner, because of the short battery life. Having to charge it one or more times during 8 hours is to much hassle for me, and impractical, as I don't carry a computer with me at all times. I really wanted to use the FreeRunner as a GPS (for tracking), but the short battery life (even shorter with GPS active all the time) makes it impractical. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 12/30/09, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No. I still test stuff on it when time permits. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No. Currently, I don't have a PDA. The only thing I need from a PDA is to sync with my calendar at work (Exchange mailbox), and the FreeRunner can't do that (yet?). What distribution you run most of the time? QtMoko. Note: I would have tested more distributions had there existed an _easy_ way to boot several distributions (multi-boot) from one SD card. Currently it seems that each distribution requires a different bootloader. I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also requires you to have custom bootloader? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Nokia E61, then a Nokia basic model (the E61 died( I never switched _to_ the FreeRunner, because of the short battery life. Having to charge it one or more times during 8 hours is to much hassle for me, and impractical, as I don't carry a computer with me at all times. Strange, maybe your QtMoko just doesn't do well power management. Here I need to recharge every ~2 days of normal usage, and battery time when using GPS is also just nice, for instance for GSM cell logging (I have second battery from my old Nokia and I don't need more) I really wanted to use the FreeRunner as a GPS (for tracking), but the short battery life (even shorter with GPS active all the time) makes it impractical. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi writes: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Still yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Define PDA. I use it uniquely for listening music with lyrics, and my own developed dictionary. What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U from september. I learned the caveats. I use my modified paroli too. It has bugs, problems, but I know almost all of them. If it starts with cant init wifi service, I will not able to pick up the incoming call for example. The above bug I figured out in 2 months (why dont appear the incoming call screen in paroli). So there are bugs like this, but as I know all of them (never hang up the same time as the other party, because paroli/fso just freezes), I can workaround all of them. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? I began seriously thinking to switching back to a normal phone. The audio quality is unreliable and poor. The largest issue currently is sound quality during call. I have managed to get rid of buzz and echo but sometimes people complain that they can't hear what I am saying and sometimes the sound is amplified so much that it gets distorted. I have not been able to identify why this behavior seems to change. My biggest issue too. It never really worked. I have awesome quality with Motorola old Razor phone (my gf has it), almost never have any issue (buzz, echo, etc) and she is at the same provider. But for example with almost all Samsung phone, they can hardly understand me. I have also problem with Nokia 6300, sometime my voice get chopped, and the other party too. So I hear from 1 sec only half sec, then nothing, another half second, then nothing. If I speak slooowly the other party can understand me. But I pretty often need to guess what the other party wanted to say. Also I have problem with people who have different provider then me (pannon vs. vodafone) What is worst, it has a serious social impact. There are people, who simply refuse to call me, because, my phone is shitty. When the above chopping occurs, the other party starts to be really angry, and starts talking faster and louder, which makes the effect even worse. Talking to landline has no issue in general. So in my humble opinion the audio (hardware+software) on the freerunner is seriously fucked up, and what is worse, the key people never admitted the fact. I tried everything, I fighted with the issue more then 6 months now for a feature which is supposed to JUST WORKs. And I think my settings are the best possible what can be made. As the audio quality depends on the other party's phone (motorola is the best in general), and also the other's provider too, I dont think it can be ever adjusted from software... I only kept using this phone, because of the dictionary and the music listening with lyrics. Thats the only reason. And thats why I cant switch to an other phone I also hate the fact that I need to charge every day my freerunner. I will look into #1024 fix, just the situation is so frustrating. I also miss times to times the incoming call, because Im unable to hear the ringing... Best regards, Laszlo ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Not my primary phone, but I use it form time to time to surf the web/play games with Hackable:1 or QtMoko (only distros that connect to web). Not huge fan of SHR, because the interface does not lend itself well to a phone (can't even create+type+send an SMS in less than a minute, much less 15-20 seconds like every other phone ever). My daily phone is the same phone I've had for years, a Motorolla L2 bar phone. -Tonym Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 22:30 +0200, Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U/qtmoko If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On Wednesday 30 December 2009, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: On 12/30/09, Torfinn Ingolfsen tin...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No. I still test stuff on it when time permits. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No. Currently, I don't have a PDA. The only thing I need from a PDA is to sync with my calendar at work (Exchange mailbox), and the FreeRunner can't do that (yet?). What distribution you run most of the time? QtMoko. Note: I would have tested more distributions had there existed an _easy_ way to boot several distributions (multi-boot) from one SD card. Currently it seems that each distribution requires a different bootloader. I only know about Android needing forked Qi. Which other distro also requires you to have custom bootloader? I guess Android only needs a forked Qi because it needed different boot parameters, and Qi can't read them from file when booting from NAND. I find uboot very easy for multibooting. If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Nokia E61, then a Nokia basic model (the E61 died( I never switched _to_ the FreeRunner, because of the short battery life. Having to charge it one or more times during 8 hours is to much hassle for me, and impractical, as I don't carry a computer with me at all times. Strange, maybe your QtMoko just doesn't do well power management. Here I need to recharge every ~2 days of normal usage, and battery time when using GPS is also just nice, for instance for GSM cell logging (I have second battery from my old Nokia and I don't need more) I get ~2days between charges most of the time too. GPS tracklogs cut it a lot, more because of not suspending than the GPS power itself, but see below for how this compares to a coupe of other handsets. I really wanted to use the FreeRunner as a GPS (for tracking), but the short battery life (even shorter with GPS active all the time) makes it impractical. I used the FR for recording tracklogs while walking over the summer. Friends were using the GPS on a G1 and a Sony-Ericsson (don't know the model) and they ran into battery problems much faster than I did. I was pleasantly surprised that the FR outperfomed them convincingly in this situation. The S-E also had trouble getting a lock when it couldn't get a cell data connection. -- Regards, Torfinn Ingolfsen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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jeremy jozwik a écrit : On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? yes no hackable:1 , rev5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
|Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Sometimes |Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No |What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U |If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change |over to, and why? No changes yet, but still use Treo 650 because of PIM and Bluetooth headset. Once these things are stable, I think I can make the daily move. Since my Treo is falling apart, and since the distros are taking a long time to be ready (I don't blame anyone), the n900 is looking attractive. I'd rather stay open, though. | |Thank you :) Thank YOU! [Russell Dwiggins] | | ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-Testing If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? I need to switch to another phone when calling my grandmother, surely she doesn't hear very well any more but there still seems to be a audio/voice quality. I'm surprised so many people in this thread mention this. Hans ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Quoting Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? Yes No SHR ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? yes yes and shr-u 20091205 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No Do you use FR as your primary PDA? No What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Battery life, heat generation. Nokia basic model Thank you :) r -- Iain B. Findleton Tel: 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 29.12.2009 21:34, schrieb jeremy jozwik: On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? yes +1 yes +1 and shr-u 20091205 latest ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iD8DBQFLOmw0lYiDScJJ+7QRAhvPAJ46MAfhA7FoS+9GACdDS+65hBV37gCfbYGl UCNkNQvZ6fDiqBwVLbmjJTk= =fJpW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
yes, its my only phone yes, its my only PDA shr-u Von: Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi An: List for Openmoko community discussion community@lists.openmoko.org; shr-u...@lists.shr-project.org Gesendet: Dienstag, den 29. Dezember 2009, 21:30:53 Uhr Betreff: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner? Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Do you use FR as your primary PDA? What distribution you run most of the time? If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? YES! Do you use FR as your primary PDA? YES! What distribution you run most of the time? SHR-U Current (I have a working SHR on NAND that I don't update and whenever the update breaks the one on the SD I can switch to NAND until the on the SD card works again). If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Switch? No way! Dirk ;-) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
Risto H. Kurppa wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? yes What distribution you run most of the time? SHR If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [Shr-User] Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 21:30, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? Yes. Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes. I'm even programming on it ;) What distribution you run most of the time? Of course latest SHR-unstable, being upgraded constantly for about year without reflashing ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 3:30 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? yes Do you use FR as your primary PDA? no What distribution you run most of the time? shr testing If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Thank you :) r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Quick e-mail poll: Still using your Freerunner?
2009/12/29 Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi Do you use FR as your daily/primary phone? No Do you use FR as your primary PDA? Yes What distribution you run most of the time? Shr If you don't use FR as your daily phone/PDA, what phone did you change over to, and why? Switched back to my old motorola. I kept missing calls and messages ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
