Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: + should be an alias to 00 if at the beggining of a number. This usage of + is so common and international that it would be IMHO dumb to intentionally ignore it. Not only that, but I intentionally store all my numbers in the + (usually +31...) format, since not every country has 00 as its international prefix! If you look at http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm, there is a whole list of IDD codes, and there are lots of 'em that aren't 00... I'm looking forward to having full number recognition, since I now regularly have to 'mentally lookup' a number when it's calling me... Christ van Willegen -- 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On Wed, Sep 02, 2009 at 08:01:48AM +0200, Christ van Willegen wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabrar...@1407.org wrote: + should be an alias to 00 if at the beggining of a number. This usage of + is so common and international that it would be IMHO dumb to intentionally ignore it. Not only that, but I intentionally store all my numbers in the + (usually +31...) format, since not every country has 00 as its international prefix! If you look at http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm, there is a whole list of IDD codes, and there are lots of 'em that aren't 00... Ah... that's news for me, I thought 00 was a standard! Then + as a standard is perfectly natural, it's a way to hide that complexity from a normal person, then the phone must know from the country code if it's 00, 0011, etc... Sucks... it makes it a bit confusing... for instance: Portugal +351... Albania +355... Fortunately there's no +35 so you can have a rule for +35X NUMBER I'm looking forward to having full number recognition, since I now regularly have to 'mentally lookup' a number when it's calling me... Bah, it's good for your memory! :) Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] Setting regional codes
+ should be an alias to 00 if at the beggining of a number. This usage of + is so common and international that it would be IMHO dumb to intentionally ignore it. Not only that, but I intentionally store all my numbers in the + (usually +31...) format, since not every country has 00 as its international prefix! If you look at http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm, there is a whole list of IDD codes, and there are lots of 'em that aren't 00... I'm looking forward to having full number recognition, since I now regularly have to 'mentally lookup' a number when it's calling me... Christ van Willegen -- Adding my observations to the mix: I haven't changed any of the phone settings and store all my phone numbers in the international format (with '+' sign). In the config file the default country code is set to 49, which is different from my actual country code. Incomming calls and messages map very nice to the contact names. I haven't received any international calls or text messages since I've started using SHR-U, but will keep an eye on it. Niels. _ Reageer op foto’s van je vrienden en bekijk hun reacties op de jouwe. Gegarandeerd hilariteit! http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
RE: [SHR] Setting regional codes
Sorry I missed the whole thread. Need to read it all in a free minute. Sorry if I spam you with irrelevant stuff. But my post to dial plans and number cannonification from last year might be interesting for you guys. http://www.mail-archive.com/de...@lists.openmoko.org/msg00073.html There was much discussion on that thread. But the conclusion is, if you know your dialplan (internationalPrefix, longDistancePrefix and countryCode) you can transform every local number into the full international form +xxyyz And from that, if you would like you can transform it back by applying your dial plan. But there is of course not much need for that on cell networks. Regards Tilman Niels Heyvaert wrote: + should be an alias to 00 if at the beggining of a number. This usage of + is so common and international that it would be IMHO dumb to intentionally ignore it. Not only that, but I intentionally store all my numbers in the + (usually +31...) format, since not every country has 00 as its international prefix! If you look at http://www.kropla.com/dialcode.htm, there is a whole list of IDD codes, and there are lots of 'em that aren't 00... I'm looking forward to having full number recognition, since I now regularly have to 'mentally lookup' a number when it's calling me... Christ van Willegen -- Adding my observations to the mix: I haven't changed any of the phone settings and store all my phone numbers in the international format (with '+' sign). In the config file the default country code is set to 49, which is different from my actual country code. Incomming calls and messages map very nice to the contact names. I haven't received any international calls or text messages since I've started using SHR-U, but will keep an eye on it. Niels. _ Reageer op fotos van je vrienden en bekijk hun reacties op de jouwe. Gegarandeerd hilariteit! http://www.microsoft.com/belux/nl/windows/windowslive/products/photos.aspx ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- MFG Tilman Baumann ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On 9/2/09, Christ van Willegen cvwille...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking forward to having full number recognition, since I now regularly have to 'mentally lookup' a number when it's calling me... What do you mean? Current implementation is full and with correct configuration supports every kind of number format (maybe except numbers with pauses and waits to send DTMF when call establishes, but i don't think support of that is necessary for contact resolving :P) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On Mon, 31 Aug 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: 2009/8/31 Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net: secondly, does that not mean that a call from 01223456789 (in the UK) should match a contact listed as +441223456789, when the following settings apply? it works perfectly for me - i didn't put anything except a '0' in the area code field though that's great news. are you in the UK? and if so, could you let me know a) your /etc/phone-utils.conf b) a couple of contacts from your address book (i don't want to know the numbers, just the first three or four digits so i can see what format you store them in) and c) confirmation that the numbers are resolved to contact names for incoming calls AND call log entries AND SMS messages? Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: International prefix is *never* +. Most probably (as in whole Europe) you have to set it as 00. ok, done. i tried both, and it didn't help. What is that area_code=1223? Try with area_code blanked. that's my local area code (comparable to 179 in the wiki article i sent you). i have blanked it out (though i had to edit the file by hand for that as the GUI won't take an empty value, saying it must be a number) but i still don't have perfect resolution. at the moment: /etc/phone-utils.conf says [local] international_prefix=00 national_prefix=0 country_code=44 area_code= my first contact is now (six zeros substituted for real number) wife0044797100 and her call log entry is right, her text messages show as coming from her, but her incoming calls still show up as just 0797100. thanks to both of your for your follow-ups, hopefully you can help me get this 100% working! -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
2009/9/1 Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net: that's great news. are you in the UK? NZ, but it shouldn't matter and if so, could you let me know a) your /etc/phone-utils.conf b) a couple [local] international_prefix = 00 national_prefix = 0 country_code = 64 area_code = 0 of contacts from your address book (i don't want to know the numbers, just the first three or four digits so i can see what format you store them in) +447752xx (uk mobile) +64210xxx (nz mobile) +64210xxx (nz mobile) 0210xx (nz mobile) 04 917 (nz landline) and c) confirmation that the numbers are resolved to contact names for incoming calls AND call log entries AND SMS messages? incoming calls: i probably make/receive one call a month, if that, so i can't help at the moment call log: yes messages: yes Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: International prefix is *never* +. Most probably (as in whole Europe) you have to set it as 00. i wouldn't be so sure on that. mine is 00, that's for nz. it varies by country ok, done. i tried both, and it didn't help. What is that area_code=1223? Try with area_code blanked. that's my local area code (comparable to 179 in the wiki article i sent you). it's badly worded, it means the prefix to area codes (i.e. for vast majority of countries, '0') ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On 9/1/09, Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net wrote: i have blanked it out (though i had to edit the file by hand for that as the GUI won't take an empty value, saying it must be a number) Oh, that's bug. Fixing it now, thanks for mentioning that ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: NZ, but it shouldn't matter i agree, but how the local network presents a number does seem to vary widely from network to network - and, indeed, application to application (my incoming numbers on texts are a different format than those on calls). incoming calls: i probably make/receive one call a month, if that, so i can't help at the moment call log: yes messages: yes blast, the two i have working now are the two that you have working. the one that's not working is for real-time incoming calls. don't suppose you fancy calling yourself (not picking up, so hopefully no cost) from another phone and letting me know what happens? sebastian, can you confirm that contact lookup on incoming calls works for you? -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On 9/1/09, Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: NZ, but it shouldn't matter i agree, but how the local network presents a number does seem to vary widely from network to network - and, indeed, application to application (my incoming numbers on texts are a different format than those on calls). incoming calls: i probably make/receive one call a month, if that, so i can't help at the moment call log: yes messages: yes blast, the two i have working now are the two that you have working. the one that's not working is for real-time incoming calls. don't suppose you fancy calling yourself (not picking up, so hopefully no cost) from another phone and letting me know what happens? sebastian, can you confirm that contact lookup on incoming calls works for you? -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net Everything contact lockup related in SHR and opimd works for me, and I can't see why it couldn't work with correct configuration. In case it doesn't work for you - please send here phone number which is reported by network, phone number in contact book and phone-utils configuration. If not me, then i'm sure DocScrutinizer will know what you're doing wrong ;) -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 6:44 AM, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak seba.d...@gmail.comwrote: On 9/1/09, Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net wrote: On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Robin Paulson wrote: NZ, but it shouldn't matter i agree, but how the local network presents a number does seem to vary widely from network to network - and, indeed, application to application (my incoming numbers on texts are a different format than those on calls). incoming calls: i probably make/receive one call a month, if that, so i can't help at the moment call log: yes messages: yes blast, the two i have working now are the two that you have working. the one that's not working is for real-time incoming calls. don't suppose you fancy calling yourself (not picking up, so hopefully no cost) from another phone and letting me know what happens? sebastian, can you confirm that contact lookup on incoming calls works for you? -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net Everything contact lockup related in SHR and opimd works for me, and I can't see why it couldn't work with correct configuration. In case it doesn't work for you - please send here phone number which is reported by network, phone number in contact book and phone-utils configuration. If not me, then i'm sure DocScrutinizer will know what you're doing wrong ;) So let me see if I understand this the only thing that needs changed is the country code right, everything else remains a 0? As I live in the USA all I know is that a +1 is used, everything else is unknown to me and I am having to Google for. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Everything contact lockup related in SHR and opimd works for me, and I can't see why it couldn't work with correct configuration. In case it doesn't work for you - please send here phone number which is reported by network, phone number in contact book and phone-utils configuration. If not me, then i'm sure DocScrutinizer will know what you're doing wrong ;) what can i say? i'm an idiot, or must have screwed up one of the tests. now i have my contacts listed as 0044abcdefghij , they work for all three applications: incoming calls, incoming SMS, and call log. thank you all for your help and persistence! -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 06:17:20PM +0100, Tom Yates wrote: On Tue, 1 Sep 2009, Sebastian Krzyszkowiak wrote: Everything contact lockup related in SHR and opimd works for me, and I can't see why it couldn't work with correct configuration. In case it doesn't work for you - please send here phone number which is reported by network, phone number in contact book and phone-utils configuration. If not me, then i'm sure DocScrutinizer will know what you're doing wrong ;) what can i say? i'm an idiot, or must have screwed up one of the tests. now i have my contacts listed as 0044abcdefghij , they work for all three applications: incoming calls, incoming SMS, and call log. thank you all for your help and persistence! + should be an alias to 00 if at the beggining of a number. This usage of + is so common and international that it would be IMHO dumb to intentionally ignore it. It would be good to store the number in a normalized format (like 00) but present it in a consistent format to the most common usage. In PCRE (after trimming any whitespace)... ^(?:\+?|00)\d+$ Rui ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [SHR] Setting regional codes
On 8/31/09, Tom Yates madhat...@teaparty.net wrote: well, i've switched to SHR, and i may i first say how much it's improved since i last tried it - very very nice! though i am looking forward to a testing branch emerging. the wiki at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SHR_User_Manual#Set_Regional_Codes suggests that if the regional information is set correctly in /etc/phone-utils.conf (or by using the settings - phone - phoneutils settings option, i take it) that incoming numbers will be correctly looked up. firstly, do others believe this is so? secondly, does that not mean that a call from 01223456789 (in the UK) should match a contact listed as +441223456789, when the following settings apply? international_prefix=00 national_prefix=0 country_code=44 area_code=1223 if not, how about international_prefix=+ have i just botched a setting, or am i completely misunderstanding this? -- Tom Yates - http://www.teaparty.net International prefix is *never* +. Most probably (as in whole Europe) you have to set it as 00. What is that area_code=1223? Try with area_code blanked. -- Sebastian Krzyszkowiak dos ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
