Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
On Tuesday 23 September 2008, Christian Weßel wrote: Hello, tangogps and fso-gpsd were installed from http://ftp2.de.debian.org, but I get no fix. In the Trip tab tango shows allways an alternating GPS Time (Tue 1999-11-30 00:00:00 or Fri 1999-11-31 01:00:00) and Satelites: 11/0. The rest is zero. The zhone internal gps appl. shows at the start view at all items N/A, and at the satelite view are about 10 satelites shown. The FR ran the whole evening next to a window in a wooden house, but it got no fix. I couldn't remove the SD card of using Debian installed on it :-}. Is my FR one of these ones with the SD card problem? Or is it also fixed by Debian distro? How can I check my GPS? How can I bring it up running? Sorry for all these question, but I couldn't find any solution in the wikis. You could try a variation on the script at the bottom of the page below. You'll need to disable any gps daemon(s) you may have insstalled before running it or they'll conflict. The script was intended to find the effect of the SD clock idle and drive strength kernel settings, cycling through them in turn and measuring time to first fix. Be warned - it'll take a long time to complete if run unmodified! http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_Software_Fix_TTFF_Measurement_Test ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Dima Kogan wrote: Can you please elaborate? Do any of the actions you mentioned actually BREAK fso-gpsd? The reason for having a gps daemon in the first place is to provide shared access to a resource that isn't directly sharable. Having 2 daemons running at the same time, or manually poking the gps while the daemon is running, is asking for trouble and will more than likely cause problems, but you might get lucky. So as a general rule if you want to mess with the gps manually then stop the daemon first. Only run one daemon at a time. Note that fso-gpsd is a compatibility layer to add gpsd output to ogpsd, not a separate daemon. On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:54:32 +0200 Sascha Wessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 05:24:16PM -0700, Dima Kogan wrote: To check the raw data coming out of the device, do cat /dev/ttySAC1 | grep GGA This should give you a line of data every second or so. Once a fix has been established, these lines contain latitude,longitude values in plain ASCII. The gpsd daemon (whether true gpsd or fso-gpsd) should make this data available on port 2947. Check this with nc 127.0.0.1 2947 | grep GGA If the daemon works, you should get the same data here, as above. Good luck. Exactly this is the most common problem. Please... * do NOT echo 1 neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron * do NOT read from /dev/ttySAC1 * do NOT write to /dev/ttySAC1 * do NOT run the original gpsd Then it should just work. Greetings, Sascha ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Am Dienstag, den 23.09.2008, 22:55 -0600 schrieb -stacy: First, lets look at the players in this mess... gpsd - this is our good old friend from http://gpsd.berlios.de/ True gpsd someone called it. ogpsd - this is a subsystem of FSO's frameworkd. It replaces gpsd it implements the Gypsy API communicating with applications via dbus fso-gpsd - is a compatibility shim to translate Gypsy messages for applications that expect gpsd tangogps - a map/gps application tangogps-fso - a version of tangogps that has been modified to understand Gypsy messages sarcasm I don't know how you could find this confusing. /sarcasm That is why I said something is talking to your GPS, if you have a stock FSO then you have ogpsd talking to the gps and tangogps (the FSO version) and Zhone are getting their data via Gypsy. You don't need gpsd or fso-gpsd in this situation. Thanx for the detail explaination, but I am still a little confused. After installation of Debian I followed the tangogps guide from OM wiki. I installed fso-gps and tangogps, both with apt-get install fso-gps tangogps and it doesn't work together. Neither 'location' nor 'tango'. After a selfmade confusion with my servers iptables I installed also netutils-ping and dnsutils. Thats all. So, please give me a hint what to de-install and which combination to install and how to configured it. Maybe also the startup with zhone gui, currently I need to start tangogps by xterm. BTW, I checked my process list and couldn't find any other gpsd except fso-gpsd: debian-gta02:~# ps -ef|grep gps root 1524 1 0 11:32 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -P /var/run/fso-gpsd.pid The reboot was several hours before... -- mfg/br, christian Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Christian Weßel wrote: Am Dienstag, den 23.09.2008, 22:55 -0600 schrieb -stacy: First, lets look at the players in this mess... gpsd - this is our good old friend from http://gpsd.berlios.de/ True gpsd someone called it. ogpsd - this is a subsystem of FSO's frameworkd. It replaces gpsd it implements the Gypsy API communicating with applications via dbus fso-gpsd - is a compatibility shim to translate Gypsy messages for applications that expect gpsd tangogps - a map/gps application tangogps-fso - a version of tangogps that has been modified to understand Gypsy messages sarcasm I don't know how you could find this confusing. /sarcasm That is why I said something is talking to your GPS, if you have a stock FSO then you have ogpsd talking to the gps and tangogps (the FSO version) and Zhone are getting their data via Gypsy. You don't need gpsd or fso-gpsd in this situation. Thanx for the detail explaination, but I am still a little confused. After installation of Debian I followed the tangogps guide from OM wiki. I installed fso-gps and tangogps, both with apt-get install fso-gps tangogps and it doesn't work together. Neither 'location' nor 'tango'. After a selfmade confusion with my servers iptables I installed also netutils-ping and dnsutils. Thats all. So, please give me a hint what to de-install and which combination to install and how to configured it. Maybe also the startup with zhone gui, currently I need to start tangogps by xterm. BTW, I checked my process list and couldn't find any other gpsd except fso-gpsd: debian-gta02:~# ps -ef|grep gps root 1524 1 0 11:32 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -P /var/run/fso-gpsd.pid The reboot was several hours before... I think you need ogpsd running too. ogpsd talks to the gps and outputs data in gypsy format over dbus. fso-gpsd reads gypsy format data from dbus and outputs gpsd format data for apps needing to use gpsd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Ok, if I understand in right: HW SW SW SW gps - ogpsd - fso-gpsd - tangogps - location Right? Ok, and in which package I can find ogpsd? I search for 'ogpsd' and got no pos result. I just want to have a gps function, christian Am Mittwoch, den 24.09.2008, 15:22 +0100 schrieb Al Johnson: On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Christian Weßel wrote: Am Dienstag, den 23.09.2008, 22:55 -0600 schrieb -stacy: First, lets look at the players in this mess... gpsd - this is our good old friend from http://gpsd.berlios.de/ True gpsd someone called it. ogpsd - this is a subsystem of FSO's frameworkd. It replaces gpsd it implements the Gypsy API communicating with applications via dbus fso-gpsd - is a compatibility shim to translate Gypsy messages for applications that expect gpsd tangogps - a map/gps application tangogps-fso - a version of tangogps that has been modified to understand Gypsy messages sarcasm I don't know how you could find this confusing. /sarcasm That is why I said something is talking to your GPS, if you have a stock FSO then you have ogpsd talking to the gps and tangogps (the FSO version) and Zhone are getting their data via Gypsy. You don't need gpsd or fso-gpsd in this situation. Thanx for the detail explaination, but I am still a little confused. After installation of Debian I followed the tangogps guide from OM wiki. I installed fso-gps and tangogps, both with apt-get install fso-gps tangogps and it doesn't work together. Neither 'location' nor 'tango'. After a selfmade confusion with my servers iptables I installed also netutils-ping and dnsutils. Thats all. So, please give me a hint what to de-install and which combination to install and how to configured it. Maybe also the startup with zhone gui, currently I need to start tangogps by xterm. BTW, I checked my process list and couldn't find any other gpsd except fso-gpsd: debian-gta02:~# ps -ef|grep gps root 1524 1 0 11:32 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -P /var/run/fso-gpsd.pid The reboot was several hours before... I think you need ogpsd running too. ogpsd talks to the gps and outputs data in gypsy format over dbus. fso-gpsd reads gypsy format data from dbus and outputs gpsd format data for apps needing to use gpsd. ... -- mfg/br, christian weßel Flurstraße 14 29640 Schneverdingen Germany E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Telefon: +49 5193 97 14 95 Mobile: +49 171 357 59 57 http://wesselch.homelinux.org signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Christian Weßel wrote: Ok, if I understand in right: HW SW SW SW gps - ogpsd - fso-gpsd - tangogps - location Right? That's my understanding, yes. Ok, and in which package I can find ogpsd? I search for 'ogpsd' and got no pos result. I can't say - haven't tried debian yet as I can't get my SD to behave reliably as rootfs. I just want to have a gps function, christian Am Mittwoch, den 24.09.2008, 15:22 +0100 schrieb Al Johnson: On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Christian Weßel wrote: Am Dienstag, den 23.09.2008, 22:55 -0600 schrieb -stacy: First, lets look at the players in this mess... gpsd - this is our good old friend from http://gpsd.berlios.de/ True gpsd someone called it. ogpsd - this is a subsystem of FSO's frameworkd. It replaces gpsd it implements the Gypsy API communicating with applications via dbus fso-gpsd - is a compatibility shim to translate Gypsy messages for applications that expect gpsd tangogps - a map/gps application tangogps-fso - a version of tangogps that has been modified to understand Gypsy messages sarcasm I don't know how you could find this confusing. /sarcasm That is why I said something is talking to your GPS, if you have a stock FSO then you have ogpsd talking to the gps and tangogps (the FSO version) and Zhone are getting their data via Gypsy. You don't need gpsd or fso-gpsd in this situation. Thanx for the detail explaination, but I am still a little confused. After installation of Debian I followed the tangogps guide from OM wiki. I installed fso-gps and tangogps, both with apt-get install fso-gps tangogps and it doesn't work together. Neither 'location' nor 'tango'. After a selfmade confusion with my servers iptables I installed also netutils-ping and dnsutils. Thats all. So, please give me a hint what to de-install and which combination to install and how to configured it. Maybe also the startup with zhone gui, currently I need to start tangogps by xterm. BTW, I checked my process list and couldn't find any other gpsd except fso-gpsd: debian-gta02:~# ps -ef|grep gps root 1524 1 0 11:32 ?00:00:00 /usr/sbin/fso-gpsd -P /var/run/fso-gpsd.pid The reboot was several hours before... I think you need ogpsd running too. ogpsd talks to the gps and outputs data in gypsy format over dbus. fso-gpsd reads gypsy format data from dbus and outputs gpsd format data for apps needing to use gpsd. ... ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Al Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Christian Weßel wrote: Ok, if I understand in right: HW SW SW SW gps - ogpsd - fso-gpsd - tangogps - location Right? That's my understanding, yes. As far as i know Location doesn't use FSO-gpsd. It uses the more FSO native access method (ogpsd?) for communication. FSO-gpsd is only for programs like tangogps or navit which uses gpsd and now needs this wrapper for that purpose. If someone of you manage to use fso-gpsd with tangogps for more than a few minutes without problems than please report it. My try to do so ended in a failure why i use (old) gpsd at the moment. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Fox Mulder, 2008-09-24 17:51:30 +0200 : If someone of you manage to use fso-gpsd with tangogps for more than a few minutes without problems than please report it. My try to do so ended in a failure why i use (old) gpsd at the moment. It works for me. I don't record traces these days because I'm stuck at home working, but I get a fix that lasts for as long as I've looked at it so far. Roland. -- Roland Mas Au royaume des aveugles, les borgnes n'ont qu'un oeil. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Roland Mas wrote: Fox Mulder, 2008-09-24 17:51:30 +0200 : If someone of you manage to use fso-gpsd with tangogps for more than a few minutes without problems than please report it. My try to do so ended in a failure why i use (old) gpsd at the moment. It works for me. I don't record traces these days because I'm stuck at home working, but I get a fix that lasts for as long as I've looked at it so far. And you use debian and only deinstalled gpsd und installed fso-gpsd for that to work? Is the gps-time correctly shown in tangogps? Maybe i should try it again if this works for you. Ciao, Rainer ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Fox Mulder wrote: Al Johnson wrote: On Wednesday 24 September 2008, Christian Weßel wrote: Ok, if I understand in right: HWSW SW SW gps - ogpsd - fso-gpsd - tangogps - location Right? That's my understanding, yes. As far as i know Location doesn't use FSO-gpsd. It uses the more FSO native access method (ogpsd?) for communication. FSO-gpsd is only for programs like tangogps or navit which uses gpsd and now needs this wrapper for that purpose. I read the diagram as showing both fso-gpsd and location consuming the gypsy-format output from ogpsd, and tangogps consuming the gpsd-format output from fso-gpsd. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Fox Mulder, 2008-09-24 18:10:13 +0200 : It works for me. I don't record traces these days because I'm stuck at home working, but I get a fix that lasts for as long as I've looked at it so far. And you use debian and only deinstalled gpsd und installed fso-gpsd for that to work? Yes. Is the gps-time correctly shown in tangogps? I must confess I don't look at GPS time that often (NTP is there for a reason :-). Now you mention it, it seems to believe we are currently on the 30th of November, 2008 at midnight. Roland. -- Roland Mas Bonjour, je suis un virus de signature. Propagez-moi dans la vôtre ! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Ok, than this bug still exists. I think i will stick to gpsd a bit longer until fso-gpsd works a bit more reliable. ;) Roland Mas wrote: Fox Mulder, 2008-09-24 18:10:13 +0200 : It works for me. I don't record traces these days because I'm stuck at home working, but I get a fix that lasts for as long as I've looked at it so far. And you use debian and only deinstalled gpsd und installed fso-gpsd for that to work? Yes. Is the gps-time correctly shown in tangogps? I must confess I don't look at GPS time that often (NTP is there for a reason :-). Now you mention it, it seems to believe we are currently on the 30th of November, 2008 at midnight. Roland. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Fox Mulder, 2008-09-24 18:28:25 +0200 : Ok, than this bug still exists. Actually... I left the FR running since my last mail, and it now displays the correct GPS time. I didn't keep an eye on it, so I don't know how long it took. Roland. -- Roland Mas Bee There Orr Bee A Rectangular Thyng! -- in Soul Music (Terry Pratchett) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Christian Weßel wrote: Thanx for the detail explaination, but I am still a little confused. After installation of Debian I followed the tangogps guide from OM wiki. I installed fso-gps and tangogps, both with apt-get install fso-gps tangogps and it doesn't work together. Neither 'location' nor 'tango'. After a selfmade confusion with my servers iptables I installed also netutils-ping and dnsutils. Thats all. So that means you have the tangogps that uses gpsd not the version that has been modified for gypsy, thus you need fso-gpsd, which you have. So far so good. So, please give me a hint what to de-install and which combination to install and how to configured it. Maybe also the startup with zhone gui, currently I need to start tangogps by xterm. As I said in my previous email, I think your software is configured and working properly; you just don't have a fix and no combination of software will help that. To help clarify, follow along with this: Here [1] is a screen shot of the tangogps trip page when there is no gpsd for tango to talk to. As you can see, everything is blank. Here [2] is a screen shot when there is a gpsd to talk to, but the gps is powered off so gpsd can't talk to it. Now everything is zero instead of blank, with the exception of GPS Time which is epoch incorrrectly converted from my local time to GPS Time. Here [3] is a screen shot when the gps is powered on but there is no fix. Now that satellite count has changed to 14/0, which means the gps can see 14 satellites in the sky but has not locked on to any of them. The GPS Time is now correct as well which means that gps has received time from at least one of the satellites. And finally, for completeness sake, here [4] is a screen shot of everything working. The satellite count is now 14/7; 14 in view, 7 used in calculating position. [1] http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/no-gpsd.png [2] http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/no-gps.png [3] http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/no-fix.png [4] http://www.millions.ca/~stacy/neoFreeRunner/fix.png Based on your description of what showed on your screen, you are in situation 3, your gps can see satelites, ogpsd is talking to your gps, fso-gpsd is talking to ogpsd and tangogps is talking to fso-gpsd. All you need now is a fix. I would suggest you go outside, sit in an open space with a good view of the sky, have a beer (or two :-) and see what happens. If you still can't get a fix, then I would suggest there is a hardware problem. There are two possibilities that I know of. The most likely is the SD Card [5] I don't know if debian includes the driver fix for this or not. The other one is an issues with the connector for the internal antenna [6]. Using an external antenna will bypass both of those issues. [5] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GPS_Problems [6] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FreeRunner_GPS_antenna_repair_SOP BTW, I checked my process list and couldn't find any other gpsd except fso-gpsd: ogpsd will not show up as a process under that name, it will show up as python. I would recommend you install lsof and then if you type lsof /dev/ttySAC1 you will see what process has the gps device open. -stacy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
For me fso-gpsd didn't work right so i changed back to gpsd and everything works like a charm with gps. :) Maybe you try installing gpsd and deinstall fso-gpsd. Ciao, Rainer Christian Weßel wrote: Hello, tangogps and fso-gpsd were installed from http://ftp2.de.debian.org, but I get no fix. In the Trip tab tango shows allways an alternating GPS Time (Tue 1999-11-30 00:00:00 or Fri 1999-11-31 01:00:00) and Satelites: 11/0. The rest is zero. The zhone internal gps appl. shows at the start view at all items N/A, and at the satelite view are about 10 satelites shown. The FR ran the whole evening next to a window in a wooden house, but it got no fix. I couldn't remove the SD card of using Debian installed on it :-}. Is my FR one of these ones with the SD card problem? Or is it also fixed by Debian distro? How can I check my GPS? How can I bring it up running? Sorry for all these question, but I couldn't find any solution in the wikis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
To check the raw data coming out of the device, do cat /dev/ttySAC1 | grep GGA This should give you a line of data every second or so. Once a fix has been established, these lines contain latitude,longitude values in plain ASCII. The gpsd daemon (whether true gpsd or fso-gpsd) should make this data available on port 2947. Check this with nc 127.0.0.1 2947 | grep GGA If the daemon works, you should get the same data here, as above. Good luck. On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:03:53 +0200 Fox Mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me fso-gpsd didn't work right so i changed back to gpsd and everything works like a charm with gps. :) Maybe you try installing gpsd and deinstall fso-gpsd. Ciao, Rainer Christian Weßel wrote: Hello, tangogps and fso-gpsd were installed from http://ftp2.de.debian.org, but I get no fix. In the Trip tab tango shows allways an alternating GPS Time (Tue 1999-11-30 00:00:00 or Fri 1999-11-31 01:00:00) and Satelites: 11/0. The rest is zero. The zhone internal gps appl. shows at the start view at all items N/A, and at the satelite view are about 10 satelites shown. The FR ran the whole evening next to a window in a wooden house, but it got no fix. I couldn't remove the SD card of using Debian installed on it :-}. Is my FR one of these ones with the SD card problem? Or is it also fixed by Debian distro? How can I check my GPS? How can I bring it up running? Sorry for all these question, but I couldn't find any solution in the wikis. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 05:24:16PM -0700, Dima Kogan wrote: To check the raw data coming out of the device, do cat /dev/ttySAC1 | grep GGA This should give you a line of data every second or so. Once a fix has been established, these lines contain latitude,longitude values in plain ASCII. The gpsd daemon (whether true gpsd or fso-gpsd) should make this data available on port 2947. Check this with nc 127.0.0.1 2947 | grep GGA If the daemon works, you should get the same data here, as above. Good luck. Exactly this is the most common problem. Please... * do NOT echo 1 neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron * do NOT read from /dev/ttySAC1 * do NOT write to /dev/ttySAC1 * do NOT run the original gpsd Then it should just work. Greetings, Sascha ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
Can you please elaborate? Do any of the actions you mentioned actually BREAK fso-gpsd? On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:54:32 +0200 Sascha Wessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 05:24:16PM -0700, Dima Kogan wrote: To check the raw data coming out of the device, do cat /dev/ttySAC1 | grep GGA This should give you a line of data every second or so. Once a fix has been established, these lines contain latitude,longitude values in plain ASCII. The gpsd daemon (whether true gpsd or fso-gpsd) should make this data available on port 2947. Check this with nc 127.0.0.1 2947 | grep GGA If the daemon works, you should get the same data here, as above. Good luck. Exactly this is the most common problem. Please... * do NOT echo 1 neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron * do NOT read from /dev/ttySAC1 * do NOT write to /dev/ttySAC1 * do NOT run the original gpsd Then it should just work. Greetings, Sascha ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: [debian gps] How to check gps
This thread has stirred up a lot of incorrect information, I will try to help with the original question and then try to mudify the fuzzifications as it were... Christian Weßel wrote: Hello, tangogps and fso-gpsd were installed from http://ftp2.de.debian.org, but I get no fix. In the Trip tab tango shows allways an alternating GPS Time (Tue 1999-11-30 00:00:00 or Fri 1999-11-31 01:00:00) and Satelites: 11/0. The rest is zero. The zhone internal gps appl. shows at the start view at all items N/A, and at the satelite view are about 10 satelites shown. That tells me that your GPS is powered on, something (we will get to this later) is talking to your GPS and receiving data and that Zhone and tangogps are both talking to that something. All of that is good... it means that it is not likely an application problem at this point. The FR ran the whole evening next to a window in a wooden house, but it got no fix. I couldn't remove the SD card of using Debian installed on it :-}. Is my FR one of these ones with the SD card problem? Or is it also fixed by Debian distro? Next to a window in a wooden house is not a guarantee that you will get a fix indoors. There are only certain areas in my house where I can get a fix, once the fix is established I can get a position anywhere in my house (including the basement). How can I check my GPS? How can I bring it up running? I would recommend that you do your testing outdoors in an open area. Outside with a clear view of the sky you should be able to get a fix in less than ten minutes. If you can, try using an external GPS antenna, that is the easiest way to avoid the SD card interference. Now I will try to clear up some confusion about FSO/GPS. I completely understand why people are confused, I had to do a fair amount of digging to figure this out. I am reasonable certain that this is accurate, but YMMV First, lets look at the players in this mess... gpsd - this is our good old friend from http://gpsd.berlios.de/ True gpsd someone called it. ogpsd - this is a subsystem of FSO's frameworkd. It replaces gpsd it implements the Gypsy API communicating with applications via dbus fso-gpsd - is a compatibility shim to translate Gypsy messages for applications that expect gpsd tangogps - a map/gps application tangogps-fso - a version of tangogps that has been modified to understand Gypsy messages sarcasm I don't know how you could find this confusing. /sarcasm That is why I said something is talking to your GPS, if you have a stock FSO then you have ogpsd talking to the gps and tangogps (the FSO version) and Zhone are getting their data via Gypsy. You don't need gpsd or fso-gpsd in this situation. Fox Mulder wrote: For me fso-gpsd didn't work right so i changed back to gpsd and everything works like a charm with gps. :) Maybe you try installing gpsd and deinstall fso-gpsd. When you say everything works like a charm do you mean everything? Does Zhone's location test app work? I would be very surprised if it does. However, if the only applications you care about work with gpsd, this is definitely an option. Dima Kogan wrote: To check the raw data coming out of the device, do cat /dev/ttySAC1 | grep GGA That will only work if the GPS is powered on and in NMEA mode. In FSO, the power state is controlled by ogpsd, if there no client has requested a GPS resource, then the gps is left off, so your test would return nothing. Also, ogpsd uses the UBX binary protocol not NMEA, so your test would still return nothing. The gpsd daemon (whether true gpsd or fso-gpsd) should make this data available on port 2947. Check this with nc 127.0.0.1 2947 | grep GGA If the daemon works, you should get the same data here, as above. By default, gpsd (true gpsd, as you called it) will not return data to network connection without you asking for it. I don't know how ogpsd behaves. If you connect with telnet telnet localhost gpsd (or if you prefer telnet 127.0.0.1 2947) and type p followed by a return you will either get GPSD,P=? or GPSD,P=xxx yyy where xxx and yyy are your lat and long Sascha Wessel wrote: Exactly this is the most common problem. Please... * do NOT echo 1 neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron As I said, ogpsd will take care of turning the GPS on and off, so this is good advice. * do NOT read from /dev/ttySAC1 * do NOT write to /dev/ttySAC1 Regardless of whether it is gpsd or ogpsd, this is good advice (for normal operations) for debugging purpose you can do it, but it could confuse things. * do NOT run the original gpsd This is especially true if you have not disabled ogpsd. Having both of them trying to talk to the gps will cause problems (remember, one uses NMEA while the other use UBX). I hope this helps. -stacy ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org
