Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
Paul Fertser ha scritto: DJDAS dj...@djdas.net writes: Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) It's very nice you work on it. Too bad you use a dead-born deprecated distro ;) Well, to be honest I'm a maintainer of a distro called FDTF based on Om2008.9+FDOM(September version) I customized for the Italian community at http://forum.telefoninux.org. I still use it because it's quite stable, telephony works (little qtopia bugs but it's daily usable) and with the community suggestions I added various customizations in the startup scripts, keyboards, themes and so on. I'm stuck with it because I have no much time to re-test everything in FSO-based distros and I don't like their telephony-PIM (qtopia IMHO still rocks hard). So this is my development environment with pros cons obviously, but I think it's better to have a daily quite stable phone rather than something updated but quite unusable, I'll wait for real stable releases with no one who wants to recreate the wheel from scratch after something goes wrong at the end of the job ;) As Franky already mentioned, bluez3 and bluez4 interfaces are completely different, so porting won't be that easy :-/ No probs ;) It's just a matter of code One of the reasons FSO integrates functionality of powering and resetting devices is exactly that. Higher level app devs shouldn't be bothered with kernel changes, FSO quickly adopts to it and you receive all updates free. In fact, you might like the idea of FSO, take a look at specs ;) Oh, I know and appreciate FSO way but I need something really stable and working, not something randomly working after an update :P Seriously: as I said above I'll make BlueMoko compatible with FSO but for my daily use I'll stick with my FDTF until a real stable working out-of-the-box distro will be released ;) Thanks you, bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
Paul Fertser ha scritto: Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be writes: And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner I beg to differ, but if those instructions mean out of the box, then all commandline things are out of the box as well. Commandline instructions are very nice, but when you're in a car and try to pair with the car bluetooth, this is not practical at all. You need a gui there... You Qtopia guys seem to have a quite unusual (for a unix hackers) POV ;) Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. The fact stable telephony is still missing since 2 years doesn't seem lack of interest :P Seriously: BlueMoko is intended mainly as GUI for Bluetooth because every 20€ phone has its own... I started as proof-of-concept with those dependencies as they are the most stable to my daily use distro and working properly for my experiments, but consider it uses only DBUS calls to Bluez so if APIs don't change too much (I have to verify) it should work with Bluez4 too and for FSO I plan to integrate compatibility with it to let it work with every distro (except qtopia based obviously, but they should still have their BT GUI). Furthermore I didn't read of A2DP support in FSO and BlueMoko started with it in mind ;) If FSO team agrees too, they can integrate my future plans (file exchange, AVRCP, networking...) and we can work together to provide full BT support, provided I'd like to customize GUI handling to achieve compatibility with different toolkits (GTK, Elementary, console, etc..) Bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO (was: Re: [Om2008.x] Announcing BlueMoko 1.0b1)
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Paul Fertser fercer...@gmail.com wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke liede...@telenet.be writes: And BTW, FSO-based distros should now support bluetooth headsets out of the box, one needs to follow instructions from [1]. [1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#Once_Again.2C_Bluetooth_Headset_on_Freerunner I beg to differ, but if those instructions mean out of the box, then all commandline things are out of the box as well. Commandline instructions are very nice, but when you're in a car and try to pair with the car bluetooth, this is not practical at all. You need a gui there... You Qtopia guys seem to have a quite unusual (for a unix hackers) POV ;) then you try to enter your commands on your FR in your car ... I think I just as well can put my phone aside, drive to my destination, tell them to wait half an hour, go back and start typing :-) Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Oh wait, that's what qtopia does as well :-) But since the newer kernels are there: no bluez3, thus no qtopia bluetooth ... hopefully for Om2009 final that'll change. Also, the person that wrote that wiki says However, I couldn't get an actual voice over it, just crackling. If this is no longer true, somebody should change it. Somebody should finally try to use this support and report the findings. Of course, Jan, who wrote the code, tried it and it worked for him. And BTW please take into account it seems that not all headsets are compatible with BT chip we use (at least it was the case some time ago, i guess i need to try again with my not-working headset and latest bluez and bluetooth-testing kernel branch). heh, trying to get your non-working headset to work, are you? :-) Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Well those are minimum requirements as I couldn't test other distros but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't use FSO calls yet...). The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I think almost every distro has it installed. I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files which change between different kernel versions... I accept suggestions and patches too :P Thank you, bye! ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:11 PM, DJDAS dj...@djdas.net wrote: Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Well those are minimum requirements as I couldn't test other distros but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't use FSO calls yet...). The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I think almost every distro has it installed. I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files which change between different kernel versions... I accept suggestions and patches too :P sure you do :-) DBUS calls have changed quite a lot between bluez3 and bluez4. I face the same problem for QtEi, but I don't feel like doing all that work on my own there (it's quite a big code change). So for now QtEi has no bluetooth in newer kernels (if they don't provide the bluez3 package anymore). Franky ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Bluetooth headsets in FSO
DJDAS dj...@djdas.net writes: Franky Van Liedekerke ha scritto: Framework already supports BT headsets. The fact GUI is missing shows the lack of interest from end-users, well, i think it'll change soon. hmm ... I thought end-users were people actually using the phone, not unix-hackers ... That's why I wrote it ;) It's very nice you work on it. Too bad you use a dead-born deprecated distro ;) but I saw the announcement of a bluetooth gui for Om2008, aboeit for bluez3. Well those are minimum requirements as I couldn't test other distros but, as I wrote in the last post, I use only DBUS calls to Bluez so maybe it should work on other distros (probably in FSO to given I don't use FSO calls yet...). As Franky already mentioned, bluez3 and bluez4 interfaces are completely different, so porting won't be that easy :-/ The only userspace dependency is PyGTK but I think almost every distro has it installed. Yep, no problems with that. I think the only real issue could be the power and reset /sys files which change between different kernel versions... I accept suggestions and patches too :P One of the reasons FSO integrates functionality of powering and resetting devices is exactly that. Higher level app devs shouldn't be bothered with kernel changes, FSO quickly adopts to it and you receive all updates free. In fact, you might like the idea of FSO, take a look at specs ;) -- Be free, use free (http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html) software! mailto:fercer...@gmail.com ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
