Re: GTA02 PCB layout files found!
okay now i was able to read the full thread and notice that it is the same project. 04/13/15 01:08 -ին Norayr Chilingarianը գրել է. btw there is a free software cellular baseband project https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/free-software-cellular-baseband On Sat, 11 Apr 2015, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: Where does that leave the indiegogo campaign? Is the money not needed now? It is indeed no longer needed for the original purpose for which the campaign was started when the original PCB files were believed to have been lost. The campaign page has been updated to reflect this new development. However, if anyone would like to continue donating, the money would help me and Shannon - see the update at the bottom of the story page. Eventually you'll need more funds, presumably, for the production parts of the project. Yes, and I am not even considering production as in production for sale at all at this point - way too premature to even think about it. Instead, what the project may need money for in a few months will be physical production of the first lab prototypes. I am approaching this project in a very different way from how a business person would do it. Business people always talk about what they call opportunity costs, and whenever they consider doing any project or venture, they always consider the option of *not* doing it. When they look at costs, they generally estimate the total cost upfront (the total cost to get to the end result), and decide whether or not to do the project based on that total cost among other factors. But I work differently: I concentrate all of my effort, energy and attention on whatever is the immediate next step at each given moment, and deliberately abstain from thinking about what costs or challenges lie ahead. I deviate from the proper business way because in that proper business way the purpose of realistically estimating the total cost to the finish line is to decide whether or not to do the project at all, and for me not doing my project is NOT an option: I need this project in order to give my life purpose and meaning. Therefore, I keep my attention focused on the immediate next step, and simply hope for the best when it comes to future difficulties and/or costs further down the road. Right now the immediate next step is for me and my PCB layout partner to produce our own layout for the first prototype we seek to build, based on the just-recovered Openmoko one and other available references like the Pirelli DP-L10. This step is pure desk work, i.e., editing design files on a computer with the appropriate software tools, so no money is needed for the project itself at this point - although my family could very much use any help given. After this step is done, the results of it will be publicly released: a PCB design file in a free EDA tool format and a set of gerbers which one can send to a fab to produce a physical board. (In fact, all work is being done in a public source repository, so it's really in a state of continuous release, no need to wait for completion.) Only after the design is complete and we have the gerbers for the first prototype will I start looking into how much it would cost to physically produce that first prototype board from those gerbers. It will probably be several months from now, so hopefully by then my personal/family financial situation will improve (the current hardship is expected to last about 4 months), and I may be able to afford that step on my own - and if not, it'll be time for another crowdfunding campaign then. Speaking of which, are you planning to sell the phones you produce yourself, eventually? Or outsource it? I do plan on offering finished products (initially standalone modems for playful use with laptops etc, and later phones) up for retail sale to end users, but whenever someone complains about my asking price being too high, I'll point them to the freely released gerber, BOM etc files and invite them to try producing it themselves for less. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 PCB layout files found!
btw there is a free software cellular baseband project https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/free-software-cellular-baseband On Sat, 11 Apr 2015, Spacefalcon the Outlaw wrote: Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: Where does that leave the indiegogo campaign? Is the money not needed now? It is indeed no longer needed for the original purpose for which the campaign was started when the original PCB files were believed to have been lost. The campaign page has been updated to reflect this new development. However, if anyone would like to continue donating, the money would help me and Shannon - see the update at the bottom of the story page. Eventually you'll need more funds, presumably, for the production parts of the project. Yes, and I am not even considering production as in production for sale at all at this point - way too premature to even think about it. Instead, what the project may need money for in a few months will be physical production of the first lab prototypes. I am approaching this project in a very different way from how a business person would do it. Business people always talk about what they call opportunity costs, and whenever they consider doing any project or venture, they always consider the option of *not* doing it. When they look at costs, they generally estimate the total cost upfront (the total cost to get to the end result), and decide whether or not to do the project based on that total cost among other factors. But I work differently: I concentrate all of my effort, energy and attention on whatever is the immediate next step at each given moment, and deliberately abstain from thinking about what costs or challenges lie ahead. I deviate from the proper business way because in that proper business way the purpose of realistically estimating the total cost to the finish line is to decide whether or not to do the project at all, and for me not doing my project is NOT an option: I need this project in order to give my life purpose and meaning. Therefore, I keep my attention focused on the immediate next step, and simply hope for the best when it comes to future difficulties and/or costs further down the road. Right now the immediate next step is for me and my PCB layout partner to produce our own layout for the first prototype we seek to build, based on the just-recovered Openmoko one and other available references like the Pirelli DP-L10. This step is pure desk work, i.e., editing design files on a computer with the appropriate software tools, so no money is needed for the project itself at this point - although my family could very much use any help given. After this step is done, the results of it will be publicly released: a PCB design file in a free EDA tool format and a set of gerbers which one can send to a fab to produce a physical board. (In fact, all work is being done in a public source repository, so it's really in a state of continuous release, no need to wait for completion.) Only after the design is complete and we have the gerbers for the first prototype will I start looking into how much it would cost to physically produce that first prototype board from those gerbers. It will probably be several months from now, so hopefully by then my personal/family financial situation will improve (the current hardship is expected to last about 4 months), and I may be able to afford that step on my own - and if not, it'll be time for another crowdfunding campaign then. Speaking of which, are you planning to sell the phones you produce yourself, eventually? Or outsource it? I do plan on offering finished products (initially standalone modems for playful use with laptops etc, and later phones) up for retail sale to end users, but whenever someone complains about my asking price being too high, I'll point them to the freely released gerber, BOM etc files and invite them to try producing it themselves for less. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 PCB layout files found!
Hi Spacefalcon, Quoth Spacefalcon the Outlaw: I am overjoyed to announce that the original PCB layout files for Openmoko GTA02 have been located and published. This is fantastic news, I'm very pleased! Where does that leave the indiegogo campaign? Is the money not needed now? Eventually you'll need more funds, presumably, for the production parts of the project. Speaking of which, are you planning to sell the phones you produce yourself, eventually? Or outsource it? Anyway, great news, horrah :) Nick ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: GTA02 PCB layout files found!
Nick openmoko-commun...@njw.me.uk wrote: Where does that leave the indiegogo campaign? Is the money not needed now? It is indeed no longer needed for the original purpose for which the campaign was started when the original PCB files were believed to have been lost. The campaign page has been updated to reflect this new development. However, if anyone would like to continue donating, the money would help me and Shannon - see the update at the bottom of the story page. Eventually you'll need more funds, presumably, for the production parts of the project. Yes, and I am not even considering production as in production for sale at all at this point - way too premature to even think about it. Instead, what the project may need money for in a few months will be physical production of the first lab prototypes. I am approaching this project in a very different way from how a business person would do it. Business people always talk about what they call opportunity costs, and whenever they consider doing any project or venture, they always consider the option of *not* doing it. When they look at costs, they generally estimate the total cost upfront (the total cost to get to the end result), and decide whether or not to do the project based on that total cost among other factors. But I work differently: I concentrate all of my effort, energy and attention on whatever is the immediate next step at each given moment, and deliberately abstain from thinking about what costs or challenges lie ahead. I deviate from the proper business way because in that proper business way the purpose of realistically estimating the total cost to the finish line is to decide whether or not to do the project at all, and for me not doing my project is NOT an option: I need this project in order to give my life purpose and meaning. Therefore, I keep my attention focused on the immediate next step, and simply hope for the best when it comes to future difficulties and/or costs further down the road. Right now the immediate next step is for me and my PCB layout partner to produce our own layout for the first prototype we seek to build, based on the just-recovered Openmoko one and other available references like the Pirelli DP-L10. This step is pure desk work, i.e., editing design files on a computer with the appropriate software tools, so no money is needed for the project itself at this point - although my family could very much use any help given. After this step is done, the results of it will be publicly released: a PCB design file in a free EDA tool format and a set of gerbers which one can send to a fab to produce a physical board. (In fact, all work is being done in a public source repository, so it's really in a state of continuous release, no need to wait for completion.) Only after the design is complete and we have the gerbers for the first prototype will I start looking into how much it would cost to physically produce that first prototype board from those gerbers. It will probably be several months from now, so hopefully by then my personal/family financial situation will improve (the current hardship is expected to last about 4 months), and I may be able to afford that step on my own - and if not, it'll be time for another crowdfunding campaign then. Speaking of which, are you planning to sell the phones you produce yourself, eventually? Or outsource it? I do plan on offering finished products (initially standalone modems for playful use with laptops etc, and later phones) up for retail sale to end users, but whenever someone complains about my asking price being too high, I'll point them to the freely released gerber, BOM etc files and invite them to try producing it themselves for less. VLR, SF ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
