Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Risto H. Kurppa ri...@kurppa.fi wrote: 2) Add an icon in .ipk package. I installed to 2008.12+Kustomized, no icon was shown. OK, the icon was shown after restarting. I won't mind you chancing that, too.. From my point of view it doesn't have anything to do with the application.. r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
1) Rename it. Yeah, I know it's nice to provoke people etc but to me it just sounds stupid. One more vote for renaming. 2) Add an icon in .ipk package. I installed to 2008.12+Kustomized, no icon was shown. I got icon. (is this fixed?) 3) First run I get a message that Enlightenment was not able to ... satan: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open I added libltdl3 for http://www.opkg.org/package_34.html 4) Started the app. It's a mess.. sorry.. I'd like to be able to do I do this step-by-step http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23526681/MANUAL.txt (My sound settings of phone are messed so I didn't got any noise out of.) This manual is good. But maybe program is too hard and complicated to Phone if it needs so long read-this-first (and I can't reproduce anything without that manual). Keep it simple. / Use menus with long names. Tabs like Ld/Sv aren't good. How about standardr drop down menu called File (containing Load project and Save project)? I didn't got point of whole Connector-tab. Maybe some working default settings and menu-entry 'Advanced'- 'Connections' where power-user can fine tune them. And menu entry named 'Mode' could have 'surf' and 'tracker' and so on. -Aapo Rantalainen ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
First of all, I'm glad that people have at least tried it... But I also expected that probably many would not come very far, since the application IS complicated... I'll try to make the next version a bit easier, however the basic concept is in it's nature complicated and there's always going to be tons of knobs and levers to pull and slide since that's what you need to enable as much creativity as possible... But yes, I do recognize that it must be as easy as possible to understand how to find the knob you want, and minimize the amount of work needed just to get started. NOTE! There is an XML-file in /usr/share/satan called satanUI.xml that describes the GUI, if you have the time and inclination please play around with that and give me a proposal.. Also note that that is an proprietary XML format for the GUI engine I'm using. On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Aapo Rantalainen aapo.rantalai...@gmail.com wrote: 1) Rename it. Yeah, I know it's nice to provoke people etc but to me it just sounds stupid. One more vote for renaming. The name is probably going to stay the same since it is etched in s many places that it's very much a lock-in now... Maybe I can add a friendlier icon and alias for the menu so you won't be offended every time you use your phone.. ;-) And for the record; the name is one of the few silly things I have left in my life now when I'm all grown up with a family and responsibilities.. It's kinda sentimental and still makes me put on this silly smile once in a while when I'm discussing it with my friends.. ;-P 2) Add an icon in .ipk package. I installed to 2008.12+Kustomized, no icon was shown. I got icon. (is this fixed?) It seems to be different on different distributions; there IS an icon in the package and on some distros it shows up correctly, and on others it doesn't.. If someone can point at what I can change about the icons path, and/or the .desktop-file I would be delighted to fix it. For the next version I set Categories to Applications, hopefully that will make it better for SHR users.. Hope it will still works for me. 3) First run I get a message that Enlightenment was not able to ... satan: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open I added libltdl3 for http://www.opkg.org/package_34.html I have libltdl3 as a dependency in the control file used for ipk-generation, but it seems maybe that isn't enough? Any suggestions? 4) Started the app. It's a mess.. sorry.. I'd like to be able to do I do this step-by-step http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23526681/MANUAL.txt (My sound settings of phone are messed so I didn't got any noise out of.) This manual is good. But maybe program is too hard and complicated to Phone if it needs so long read-this-first (and I can't reproduce anything without that manual). The application is complicated for sure, but that's a result of the basic requirement let the imagination be the limit.. I'll try to explain it through an example; a basic synthesizer is easy to get started with, but it is not a complete studio. If you want a complete studio you won't have something that is easy to start with... My idea now is to have a question asked when the application start: Do you want it simple? yes or no... Yes will pre-load a toy-project that is easy to start playing with, sort of a demo. Keep it simple. / Use menus with long names. Tabs like Ld/Sv aren't good. How about standardr drop down menu called File (containing Load project and Save project)? I didn't got point of whole Connector-tab. Maybe some working default settings and menu-entry 'Advanced'- 'Connections' where power-user can fine tune them. The connector tab is quite vital, alas... :-) It is basically the studio, here you can add your synthesizers, drum machines, echo-boxes and so forth.. If you have an empty studio; then you have no sound except the occasional cough from the studio manager wondering what you are doing without any instruments... ;-) And menu entry named 'Mode' could have 'surf' and 'tracker' and so on. Maybe I could have two major modes, one called Configure and one called Compose, and then the Load/Save project tab. The Configure mode would contain sample loader, instrument editor, control configuration and connections. The Compose mode would contain the Surface, the tracker and the sequencer. One problem that is constant is the lack of screen real-estate on the 2.8 screen we have to play with.. Especially since I want to make it more finger friendly in the future.. The way of the future will hopefully be nicer looking graphics that is more finger friendly... This will however probably require the new OpenMoko since the code I write requires a FPU that won't be available until that phone arrives... I hope I get some more feedback on the ideas I presented here and on the comments I made on your suggestions. Best regards Anton Persson ___
Request for Feedback - SATAN
Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
Anton Persson escribió: Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community Well I am not a user (yet), however, I certainly love the name. Tom ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
I've installed it just fine a few times, but could never get it to run (SHR Testing and Unstable) On Mar 20, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Anton Persson wrote: Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Anton Persson don.juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Hi there! I played with it when it was new. I was able to make some noise with it back then but now because of this request I decided to try it again to be able to tell you some experiences. 1) Rename it. Yeah, I know it's nice to provoke people etc but to me it just sounds stupid. And I know there's an acronym behind it and I know there are people who like the name but.. well, it's your choice and you must decide if you figure out if it makes people use the app more or less. Less, if you're asking me. MusicMachine or similar would a) describe the app better b) provoke less. Just my opinion. 2) Add an icon in .ipk package. I installed to 2008.12+Kustomized, no icon was shown. 3) First run I get a message that Enlightenment was not able to run 'satan -u k'.. Tried from the command line: r...@om-gta02:~# DISPLAY=:0 satan -u k satan: error while loading shared libraries: libltdl.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Installing 'libltdl3' from the repositories solved this - add libltdl3 as depending package in the .ipk 4) Started the app. It's a mess.. sorry.. I'd like to be able to do something with an app when I start it with no prior knowledge of it. I know Blender might not allow me to do this but I'd like your app to do it. From the previous experiences I know that you have to load some sounds/sound fonts/something. Went to Ld/Sv -tab (read the manual the first time I used it) but - I have no idea where to try to find the sound fonts required. Maybe it should default to the dir where they're installed? This is when I closed it. No sound this time. Maybe some introduction window or something that the user can disable after reading it? r -- | risto h. kurppa | risto at kurppa dot fi | http://risto.kurppa.fi ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: Request for Feedback - SATAN
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Anton Persson don.juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folkz! I just wanted to request user feedback for my app SATAN, if there are _any_ users out there.. I know some people have at least tried, and hopefully all have succeeded, to install and start the application.. But I want to know; have anyone succeeded making some noise with it? What are your thoughts? Do you want any specific improvements or changes? Best regards, Anton Persson On my shr-testing it runs and i get some noise out of it, too. So it's fun making some sounds with it, but i must admit that i didn't had much time yet to get any deeper into it. Although it's quite awesome. Jake ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
