Re: what do I install now?
On Saturday 26 November 2011, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: dmatthews.org m...@dmatthews.org writes: I've no idea - how is that done? Try passing the following parameters to linux: glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=500 glamo_mci.sd_drive=3 Remember that sd_drive=3 can cause problems for GPS first fix. ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
Hi Ben, thanks for the link. My problem though is that for you guys this seems to be all basic, easy and certainly straight forward and also includes the important information on how you can interact with fso, but for me it is still too advanced, so I was looking more for something like a python api or so. Applications for shr which I always found inspiring were minneo and podboy. So I guess one of the underlying questions here is on how the community can make use of someone like me (max skills python; creating art work; translating stuff; running linux for about 10y now) and the real developers. In other words how to pass little jobs to the unskilled and make them be part of the system... best regards robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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On 26/11/2011 12:24, robin wrote: the problem I as a very semi-skilled programmer have with all of the distributions is that I haven't yet found any straight forward tutorials on how to create little apps/eg front ends for command line calls or so, so developing is out of range for me. This is a problem for lots of free software projects :( As a professional developer (my job) who works 5 days a week in a very well known-to-me environment I would love to see more free software projects having dumb tutorials to help bootstrapping and understanding these new environments. Because it really takes lot of free time just to go from hey nice software, I would like to help to ok now I can compile and run it in step-by-step mode on my own pc Xavier, ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
On 26/11/2011 20:42, dmatthews.org wrote: I recently went back to using qtmoko after an extended try of SHR, which has come on in leaps and bounds although I found the way (at the moment) it (mis)handles text messages hugely annoying in the end. My attitude was I want to reduce my annoyance level with this charming device to about zero and I have more or less done that. However it took a good long while researching various aspects of Freerunner lore which I found only wirh some difficulty, scattered over several places. Am I right to think there's a good case for a resource ok I have a freerunner, now what. Or maybe the part of the whole world that has a freerunner already knows what to do and is more interested in gta-04 now. I'd be happy to host something myself if there was no other place to collate this sort of information That's why we have a wiki, but like all wikis it needs to be maintained. Maybe you can write your own page about your experiments and step by step it will become a nice entry point. I did one in French on my own wiki in august 2008 to keep notes of my discoveries ( http://wiki.troulite.fr/index.php?title=NeoFreerunner ) and it was useful for me. An english one on wiki.openmoko.org and kept up to date would be a nice thing to have (maybe it already exists ?) ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Timo, Xavier I think I proved that the 4GB SanDisk will not work ^_^; I tried putting rootwait glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=500 glamo_mci.sd_drive=3 in /boot/append-GTA02, but I get a kernel panic, can't find root fs. It is interesting though, I think before it just booted from NAND instead of card. Xavier - that wiki of yours looks really good (pity that's not true of my French!). It reinforces what I've said though, that there is really helpful GTA-02 information out there, that is not very easy to find. -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
Matthias Apitz guru at unixarea.de writes: Hello, I'm thinking in a fresh install of my FR GTA02 (at the moment Om2008.9); what I would need at least are: - GPS OpenstreetMap (tango) - TCP over USB and SSH into the FR - Terminal with Stardict - PIM, SMS, call - X11vnc server Any recommendation for a distribution I should install? Btw: I own another GTA02 with Android installed on. I feel that it reacts much faster on the screen while moving around through the applications or menus. How they do this, as well with X11? Thanks matthias Hi Matthias, in my opinion qtmoko is the most stable one. the only major drawback is the keyboard in my opinion, but I have seen that radek has been working on a big landscape keyboard for sms, so there may be a (early) Xmas gift from him. Regarding the keyboard I found android a bit slow (otherwise the most polished software for the freerunner with the best navit default setups). shr-core seems to be advancing quickly and has most of the standard linux apps one may know from one's desktop though I have the feeling the libraries are changing so quickly that very often stuff gets broken which is necessary for a daily phone. In my opinion the predictive keyboard is great though, and having that in a landscape enlarged version would be great. Regarding PIM applications I haven't found a single one which would actually allow for easy syncing with the desktop. Shuffle on android is a great getting things done app and anki flashcard learning has also got me stuck at least with one partition on android. the problem I as a very semi-skilled programmer have with all of the distributions is that I haven't yet found any straight forward tutorials on how to create little apps/eg front ends for command line calls or so, so developing is out of range for me. best regards robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Robin I think I agree with you 100% on everything you say. Improved keyboards on qtmoko would be just what was needed - not just for sm message, we need a good virtual PC keyboard as well. Apart from keyboards, with a few tweaks, Qtmoko 35, running from sd card is actually pretty good. Unfortunately I'm also not able to program in C C++ :) Hi Matthias, in my opinion qtmoko is the most stable one. the only major drawback is the keyboard in my opinion, but I have seen that radek has been working on a big landscape keyboard for sms, so there may be a (early) Xmas gift from him. Regarding the keyboard I found android a bit slow (otherwise the most polished software for the freerunner with the best navit default setups). shr-core seems to be advancing quickly and has most of the standard linux apps one may know from one's desktop though I have the feeling the libraries are changing so quickly that very often stuff gets broken which is necessary for a daily phone. In my opinion the predictive keyboard is great though, and having that in a landscape enlarged version would be great. Regarding PIM applications I haven't found a single one which would actually allow for easy syncing with the desktop. Shuffle on android is a great getting things done app and anki flashcard learning has also got me stuck at least with one partition on android. the problem I as a very semi-skilled programmer have with all of the distributions is that I haven't yet found any straight forward tutorials on how to create little apps/eg front ends for command line calls or so, so developing is out of range for me. best regards robin ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
Hi Robin 26.11.2011, 11:24, robin spielr...@web.de: .. the problem I as a very semi-skilled programmer have with all of the distributions is that I haven't yet found any straight forward tutorials on how to create little apps/eg front ends for command line calls or so, so developing is out of range for me. . A while ago I began a very simple tutorial on how to write a hello world app for the SHR wiki :- http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Developing%20your%20own%20applications Someone else then added a some very handy info about connecting to FSO. The idea was to show how to get started with Vala which should be easy to pick up for people with a little knowledge of Java. Ben ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:55:58 +0100 Matthias Apitz g...@unixarea.de wrote: Hello, I'm thinking in a fresh install of my FR GTA02 (at the moment Om2008.9); what I would need at least are: snip Any recommendation for a distribution I should install? Like a few others I'd recommend giving QtMoko a try. I've been pretty happy with it myself and it works fairly well when using the FR primarily as a phone. I've been using v31 on NAND and playing with v36 on an SD card. I find it the easiest distro to live with. I've just spent the morning trying out the Android SD card only install for Froyo. It's a bit quirky and prone to crashing but I'll chalk that up to using a bad SD card as QtMoko locked up on the same card. My previous experience with Cupcake on NAND was better. But you're already familiar with Android on FR. I haven't used SHR in a very long time and I was initially pleased with it. Using a distro that runs X has it's advantages and it's easier to work with in a number of ways. SHR used to stand for Stable Hybrid Release but there have only ever been testing and unstable branches. No disrespect to the devs but I gave up on using it when it wiped all the contacts from my SIM card. Which wouldn't have been a big deal back when I used to be able to recall names and the numbers associated with them from memory but those days are long gone. For the younger folks this is how PIM worked before we had the term and we used dead tree media as a backup! The testing branch images are looking pretty stale (27-Sep-2010 23:55) but the unstable branch is newer (22-Aug-2011 14:33). I'd probably try it again but unless someone can confirm it won't wipe my SIM contacts I'm only willing to dip my toes in the water sans SIM card. Since I use my FR as a phone this is an unrealistic situation. It's a shame really since I miss X native apps a lot. :( - GPS OpenstreetMap (tango) On QTMoko Navit is the non X GPS app and it uses OSM data. You can run TangoGPS and FoxtrotGPS using QX. SHR opens up more options but I'm afraid I can't say how good they are now. - TCP over USB and SSH into the FR This will work as expected for USB regardless of distro excluding android as it only allows ADB see [1] and [2]. - Terminal with Stardict You get QTerminal on QtMoko and can run an xterm in QX. SHR offers the best experience for a CLI junkie. Android offers the worst; you have to use ADB to install busybox. Stardict in a terminal? - PIM, SMS, call SMS and calling worked fine for me in all 3 distros albeit some mic tweaking was required in the past (lowering the mic volume). PIM is supported in all 3 but syncing on QtMoko isn't possible for me as it only supports syncing with a Windows machine running software that needs to be compiled. I don't have experience syncing with the other 2 distros . - X11vnc server I've never had a use for this although I recall getting it working in the past for kicks on SHR and QtMoko. Btw: I own another GTA02 with Android installed on. I feel that it reacts much faster on the screen while moving around through the applications or menus. How they do this, as well with X11? Android doesn't use X[3], Neither does QtMoko, SHR does. Any of the 3 are bound to offer a better user experience compared to Om2008.9. Out of those 3 I consider android to be the slowest, especially Froyo, but Cupcake is very usable and the UI is quite nice. I love a lot of the stuff that Android does well and wished it was easier to customize but it appears to be outgrowing the hardware. Thanks matthias You're Welcome, Brian [1]http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking [2]http://code.google.com/p/android-on-freerunner/wiki/AndroidDebugBridge [3]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)#Linux ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
Hi Ben A while ago I began a very simple tutorial on how to write a hello world app for the SHR wiki :- http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Developing%20your%20own%20applications Someone else then added a some very handy info about connecting to FSO. The idea was to show how to get started with Vala which should be easy to pick up for people with a little knowledge of Java. Thanks - that is to me an intriguing article, since I'm very happy writing stuff in java / groovy although I know no C / C++. I guess though that a Vala program assumes it will run under X and so is not an answer if you use qtmoko. Nevertheless, this has got me thinking more about thoughts I had already. I recently went back to using qtmoko after an extended try of SHR, which has come on in leaps and bounds although I found the way (at the moment) it (mis)handles text messages hugely annoying in the end. My attitude was I want to reduce my annoyance level with this charming device to about zero and I have more or less done that. However it took a good long while researching various aspects of Freerunner lore which I found only wirh some difficulty, scattered over several places. Am I right to think there's a good case for a resource ok I have a freerunner, now what. Or maybe the part of the whole world that has a freerunner already knows what to do and is more interested in gta-04 now. I'd be happy to host something myself if there was no other place to collate this sort of information -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
Hi Matthias Like a few others I'd recommend giving QtMoko a try. I've been pretty happy with it myself and it works fairly well when using the FR primarily as a phone. I've been using v31 on NAND and playing with v36 on an SD card. I find it the easiest distro to live with. +1 I've just spent the morning trying out the Android SD card only install for Froyo. It's a bit quirky and prone to crashing but I'll chalk that up to using a bad SD card as QtMoko locked up on the same card. My previous experience with Cupcake on NAND was better. But you're already familiar with Android on FR. +1 also - as the early documentation implied, the freerunner is very finicky about the SD card eg for me a 2GB SanDisk is fine - a brand new 4GB SanDisk loses it's partition table after a reboot :). I can't even be sure, that I was not just lucky with the 2GB card and unlucky with the 4GB one - maybe another ostensibly the same, would be fine? I haven't used SHR in a very long time and I was initially pleased with it. Using a distro that runs X has it's advantages and it's easier to work with in a number of ways. SHR used to stand for Stable Hybrid Release but there have only ever been testing and unstable branches. No disrespect to the devs but I gave up on using it when it wiped all the contacts from my SIM card. Which wouldn't have been a big deal back when I used to be able to recall names and the numbers associated with them from memory but those days are long gone. For the younger folks this is how PIM worked before we had the term and we used dead tree media as a backup! The testing branch images are looking pretty stale (27-Sep-2010 23:55) but the unstable branch is newer (22-Aug-2011 14:33). again +1 SHR really has improved a lot, although there are still for me major annoyances that make me go back to qtmoko. I'd probably try it again but unless someone can confirm it won't wipe my SIM contacts I'm only willing to dip my toes in the water sans SIM card. Since I use my FR as a phone this is an unrealistic situation. It's a shame really since I miss X native apps a lot. :( Well I can confirm that at least I never saw that problem after an extended several month trial. The bugbears of the August unstable version for me are 1. not very stable (ok unstable so fair enough) - misbehaves big time unless rebooted often 2. poor handling of sms messages - repeatedly downloads a single text at erratic intervals and reporting the SIM is full, when it clearly is not. 3. bizarre busybox badness (probably a reflection of 1.) - GPS OpenstreetMap (tango) On QTMoko Navit is the non X GPS app and it uses OSM data. You can run TangoGPS and FoxtrotGPS using QX. I think you mean Nerongps? Surely navit needs X. Yeah you can run tangogps/foxtrotgps, but on qtmoko I'd suggest instead learn to live with Nerongps is easier. On qtmoko see the fix for gps I posted a few days ago - I can't remember where I saw that, but it makes a huge difference. - TCP over USB and SSH into the FR This will work as expected for USB regardless of distro excluding android as it only allows ADB see [1] and [2]. yeah it's fine on qtmoko SHR; watch the eth1, usb0 thing - which one to use depends on your desktop distro as well as what's on the freerunner I think. - Terminal with Stardict You get QTerminal on QtMoko and can run an xterm in QX. SHR offers the best experience for a CLI junkie. +1 SMS and calling worked fine for me in all 3 distros albeit some mic tweaking was required in the past (lowering the mic volume). PIM is supported in all 3 but syncing on QtMoko isn't possible for me as it only supports syncing with a Windows machine running software that needs to be compiled. I don't have experience syncing with the other 2 distros . That was not my experience on the latest SHR unstable - see above Btw: I own another GTA02 with Android installed on. I only briefly tried android - my impression (not well tested) was that it might be good as a phone, but much less so as a general purpose computer in your pocket -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
dmatthews.org m...@dmatthews.org writes: +1 also - as the early documentation implied, the freerunner is very finicky about the SD card eg for me a 2GB SanDisk is fine - a brand new 4GB SanDisk loses it's partition table after a reboot :) Does lowering the clock frequency help? ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Timo Does lowering the clock frequency help? I've no idea - how is that done? I'd be happy to test that -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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dmatthews.org m...@dmatthews.org writes: I've no idea - how is that done? Try passing the following parameters to linux: glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=500 glamo_mci.sd_drive=3 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
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Hi Timo Try passing the following parameters to linux: glamo_mci.sd_max_clk=500 glamo_mci.sd_drive=3 Thanks and I just saw more info about this here:- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Supported_microSD_cards I'll give that a try tomorrow and let you know. Incidentally this looks like more support for my i have a freerunner, what now resource - useful info just seems to be splatted around in too many different places :) -- David Matthews m...@dmatthews.org ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
what do I install now?
Hello, I'm thinking in a fresh install of my FR GTA02 (at the moment Om2008.9); what I would need at least are: - GPS OpenstreetMap (tango) - TCP over USB and SSH into the FR - Terminal with Stardict - PIM, SMS, call - X11vnc server Any recommendation for a distribution I should install? Btw: I own another GTA02 with Android installed on. I feel that it reacts much faster on the screen while moving around through the applications or menus. How they do this, as well with X11? Thanks matthias -- Matthias Apitz t +49-89-61308 351 - f +49-89-61308 399 - m +49-170-4527211 e g...@unixarea.de - w http://www.unixarea.de/ UNIX since V7 on PDP-11, UNIX on mainframe since ESER 1055 (IBM /370) UNIX on x86 since SVR4.2 UnixWare 2.1.2, FreeBSD since 2.2.5 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
I have been using SHR or over a year with all that stuff. Aside from some implementation problems with the settings dialog, it works fine. Matthias Apitz wrote: Hello, I'm thinking in a fresh install of my FR GTA02 (at the moment Om2008.9); what I would need at least are: - GPS OpenstreetMap (tango) - TCP over USB and SSH into the FR - Terminal with Stardict - PIM, SMS, call - X11vnc server Any recommendation for a distribution I should install? Btw: I own another GTA02 with Android installed on. I feel that it reacts much faster on the screen while moving around through the applications or menus. How they do this, as well with X11? Thanks matthias -- Iain B. Findleton 514-457-0744 ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
Re: what do I install now?
On Thursday 24 of November 2011 18:55:58 Matthias Apitz wrote: Hi, if you want to try qtmoko here are some tips: Hello, I'm thinking in a fresh install of my FR GTA02 (at the moment Om2008.9); what I would need at least are: - GPS OpenstreetMap (tango) - TCP over USB and SSH into the FR - Terminal with Stardict You might be interested in this: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/apps/category-dictionaries.html - PIM, SMS, call - X11vnc server I used this vnc server when i had no display and it worked quite fine: http://qtmoko.sourceforge.net/download/x11vnc/ Any recommendation for a distribution I should install? Try all ;-) Regards Radek ___ Openmoko community mailing list community@lists.openmoko.org http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community
