Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
> > There's obviously a few people on this list using the Asus boards mentioned > which is great. The issue we need to solve is getting more people to submit > test results so that this isn't a problem in the future. > > Even if I didn't use mine for something important I am unable to submit > results because I refuse to provide my "real" name and am too honest to use > a fake name. > As I understand the DCO is only required for code submissions, while board_status results are auto-generated and don't require a sign-off. Not sure how Patrick and others feel about allowing aliases to be used for gerrit accounts though. -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
Thanks for everyone who has submitted status reports and now proved that they work. BTW the boards devices support ASPM so you can remove the pcie_aspm=off in your kernel command line - I like to force it on myself with pcie_aspm=force. On 04/06/2018 09:54 PM, David Hendricks wrote: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 3:40 PM, taii...@gmx.comwrote: >> Like I have said before these types of policies are eventually going to >> result in coreboot only having unobtainable development boards in the >> tree (that are of course not owner controlled) >> >> It simply isn't right. > Indeed, this isn't right (as in correct) so don't spread this FUD. The > boards are still in the tree, you just need to check out whatever coreboot > version is known to actually work with the board. For example if a board > was last reported working in coreboot-4.6, then `git checkout 4.6` or > checkout a specific hash reported on the board_status repo. I swear I heard "removed from the tree" somewhere - irregardless only unobtainable closed-source development boards will benefit from new coreboot features. Eventually the old versions of coreboot will become non-functional for whatever reason so it won't be that simple (ie: don't checkout master) if one doesn't require the new features - already for example there are various old libs that coreboot requires which are only available *unsigned* from a single site. > It does no good for users to have hundreds of boards in master that fail to > boot, and no good for developers who need to maintain and refactor code for > boards that nobody tests and have been abandoned. I am not complaining because some random boards from 2005 that no one uses are being removed - this is because the last owner controlled x86_64 boards will eventually be functionally removed (and would have been if no one had submitted status for the D8). This isn't hundreds of boards that fail to boot - it is a few boards that do boot - and people know that they do (as everyone can see now that status have been submitted :D) As an example I don't mind the removal of the H8SCM because AGESA doesn't support IOMMU and the boards are now quite expensive (and not worth it for the money). > There's obviously a few people on this list using the Asus boards mentioned > which is great. The issue we need to solve is getting more people to submit > test results so that this isn't a problem in the future. Even if I didn't use mine for something important I am unable to submit results because I refuse to provide my "real" name and am too honest to use a fake name. 0xDF372A17.asc Description: application/pgp-keys -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
taii...@gmx.comschrieb am Sa., 7. Apr. 2018, 14:39: > that doesn't mean boards that people > know are functional should be removed from coreboot just because. > > I highly doubt these policies happen in a vacuum. That particular policy was created because we consider it worse to pretend that we support boards on master that are untested for a long time just to inflate numbers and to keep personal pet projects around long after their due date. The simple solution is to show every now and then that the board still boots with master (and fix up issues). Which is exactly what we ask for. Patrick -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
On Sat, Apr 07, 2018 at 02:25:19PM +0100, Leah Rowe wrote: > If you've got a D16 to submit reports on, that'd also be great. I just pushed one on the D16. Thanks, Ward. -- Ward Vandewege GPG Key: 25F774AB Do you use free software? Donate to join the FSF and support freedom at http://www.fsf.org/register_form?referrer=859 -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 2:54 AM Leah Rowewrote: > > > I'll be really upset if D8/D16, or any libreboot-supported hardware, > is removed from coreboot.git. > > > and as David has pointed, it never is or will be. It's always there. I don't understand your point here. LinuxBIOS V1 is in git, and everything in between. So why do you say that things are being "removed"? -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
On 07.04.2018 14:37, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > Yeah x86 is dead freedomwise but that doesn't mean boards that people > know are functional should be removed from coreboot just because. If people knew that those boards are functional, they would not get removed from git master. Sorry, lots of testimonies from people running ancient versions of coreboot on any given board does by definition not constitute knowledge about the functionality of current git master on that board. Regards, Carl-Daniel -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
Leah Rowe wrote: > I'll be really upset if D8/D16, or any libreboot-supported hardware, > is removed from coreboot.git. It's straightforward for you to avoid that: Contribute board status information. Open source only works reliably for me when I accept that I am responsible for my own needs. Unfortunately, what that means gets underestimated quite often, by newcomers and experienced experts alike, and many organizations already got really upset when they couldn't merely consume open source. Please stay proactive to avoid such problems; at a minimum they cause undue stress both for you and for communities which don't work exactly as you would like. Thanks a lot and take care //Peter -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Daniel On 07/04/18 14:13, Daniel Gröber wrote: > Anyways, I figured it out now and uploadded the status report. > > --Daniel > Thanks :) Can you also do this on a periodic basis? If you've got a D16 to submit reports on, that'd also be great. - -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer and project founder. Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Use a free BIOS - https://libreboot.org/ Use a free operating system, GNU+Linux. Support computer user freedom https://sfconservancy.org/ https://fsf.org/ - https://gnu.org/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: https://minifree.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+JRrnG26iGmvPhSA/0W3TPnRz5QFAlrIxr4ACgkQ/0W3TPnR z5QLFwf/ZTKKvNvhNevAaJwOLJ99cJdwDrwjpElK0T0MbOS99GEaktWqNasbft4g kuE8Z/i/v0EHaj8Dc4+DSOmOX1t+7vBXkmlC/RRWHn36FvFzd/oilX+LET7UQsrk TwGHBJHs+lLFAGnS7zdzdj+OervM5lQmDyf6ug0gF2X67MC5fTyfmVa/4Om7gAAZ CWy33iuu4iBMf6ml+h+nTKL4QnCL3I9nQOL7iALuaMUsWcpeu1+WNadyMWrqYerj l1M20ewLqJBaKMnRyxk8IUIcTPz9dfAu1eYUbDE7vzsLn/aY5NIbHOssrddOg9h9 c9kZ+akD24R6zcA2kFfkwaOuRV1v9w== =1sAI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
On Fri, Apr 06, 2018 at 07:14:47PM -0700, David Hendricks wrote: > Which wiki? For commit rights, have you tried https://www.coreboot.org/Git# > Register_with_gerrit ? I just updated the board status wiki to hopefully make > that step > easier to follow. Ah, I was looking all over "Developer Guide", "Getting Started" type things and somehow did't see the Git page :) Having a pointer in the Board Status description straight to the Git page is definetly better though. > Please let us know where you get stuck. Many of us set up our accounts years > ago and the > documentation may be stale or non-obvious to newcomers, so a fresh > perspective is > welcome. I just didn't realise all that was needed is a gerrit account, I though the board status would be some seperate repo where you can push directly without review. Anyways, I figured it out now and uploadded the status report. --Daniel signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
On 04/06/2018 09:06 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 5:45 PM Thierry Laurion> wrote: > >> I agree. This is wrong. >> Kgpe-d16 and alike are the last resorts for x86 blob free hardware. >> >> This NEEDS to be kept maintained and upstreamed. > I like the board too. I have one. I have no time to keep it going. I have > not even turned it on in months. > > Now that I think about it, my board has an EM100. I can try to automate the > mess if I can remember where the directions are. I also need to work out > remote reset :-) -- any hints on what to buy to make that go? > > Realistically, though, if you want blob free, I think you need power9 or > riscv. Of course, but the D16/D8 are fine for legacy x86 applications that some people need to run and they are both blob free, the last x86 boards that are. > I've written x86 off for blob free. I'm sad about that, given where > we were in 2000 and where we are today, but there's not much to be done for > it. AMD and Intel just don't see this as a priority :-( Yeah x86 is dead freedomwise but that doesn't mean boards that people know are functional should be removed from coreboot just because. I highly doubt these policies happen in a vacuum. 0xDF372A17.asc Description: application/pgp-keys -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 07/04/18 01:43, Daniel Gröber wrote: > I'd be happy to upload a board-status report if someone can give > me (or tell me how to get) commit rights for the appropriate repo. > I cannot for the life of me figure out what the proper procedure > for that is just from the wiki. > > I just recently started playing around with my KCMA-D8 and > coreboot, so I still got it right here on my desk :) > > --Daniel Thank you Daniel. if anyone can test D16 too, that'd be great. I'll be really upset if D8/D16, or any libreboot-supported hardware, is removed from coreboot.git. - -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer and project founder. Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Use a free BIOS - https://libreboot.org/ Use a free operating system, GNU+Linux. Support computer user freedom https://sfconservancy.org/ https://fsf.org/ - https://gnu.org/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: https://minifree.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+JRrnG26iGmvPhSA/0W3TPnRz5QFAlrIlOYACgkQ/0W3TPnR z5Sw1Af9EXu53oerOe1sbHKleivxmHzxxsP9iADpK9dUiuVIQ7H06YINImZx2fR1 TjqE/psBYXO0vwQjGZEP5IB9ZLttlxpzzmjU4ysxU4ot2c5n/MbiVV6LDYfaYt5Q cJ3BxOariZCFZGtSFwCipFmHoWmoP5Kt8XIwc7hWNagTQFKcIZ7iAhCFCA+NhpbU oz4FDGNQ9cKI7x0TptIdb0gnSsgZbVPdT+xe3myaZxWUm1f8zowyGIQE7ANoaB3D 1po6Co1HeltbGY5inCwQTLdyAXl1z60ye/G668xs2kSMsqZXbab8ySBQPMqZrUiC SM8hzCDJRfuHNlEqZ/5S2fH7g9+tvw== =6d2v -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot
Re: [coreboot] coreboot is going to make kcma-d8 obsolete
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 sorry, i emailed the wrong person. i meant to email someone else On 06/04/18 22:14, Leah Rowe wrote: > hi, > > https://mail.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2018-April/086449.html > > please do all relevant tests and submit a "coreboot status" report > on asus kgpe-dcma8. you use this board for "critical" applications > relative to your own interests, > e.d.ghttps://mail.coreboot.org/pipermail/coreboot/2018-April/086449.ht ml > > . > asus kgpe dpge-d16 d16 > > coreboot has a policy of deleting source code (read: maintenance) > of "unmaintained" boards). please test coreboot (per coreboot > policies) on this board, and submit "board status" information, so > that the asus kcma-d8 source code isn't (literally. please read > that literally) deleted from coreboot.bit > > (by extension, this applies to ASUS KGPE D16) > > Don't blame me for coreboot's shortsightedness on this matter. I > simply wish for coreboot.git to continue remaining official > maintenance of what remains of the maintenance of libre-friendly > hardware, within the coreboot project) > - -- Leah Rowe Libreboot developer and project founder. Use free software. Free as in freedom. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Use a free BIOS - https://libreboot.org/ Use a free operating system, GNU+Linux. Support computer user freedom https://sfconservancy.org/ https://fsf.org/ - https://gnu.org/ Minifree Ltd, trading as Ministry of Freedom | Registered in England, No. 9361826 | VAT No. GB202190462 Registered Office: 19 Hilton Road, Canvey Island, Essex SS8 9QA, UK | Web: https://minifree.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEE+JRrnG26iGmvPhSA/0W3TPnRz5QFAlrIlCoACgkQ/0W3TPnR z5SFcQf+OWaTc5jDDDImXL8RqwIzw1xpOkKBkawh1y2GBAlFFEDqDbWvUfiLvvoG UtpVBURaMROazCOjR816imT0UQKCqJ8jpZoNdcLOucHcSEXNRRJJ8TQIfrtSFRdd aroSCKMDp/+LaL6kVYLAe9SA48znVdva8qPrzOf1wQzy7QIw8QX16lgSa0Mkeyay eyqdZobzXeygy2C6PLVrfhXR5XQgrNrWGDPQdg0mn7QctSRCIl+96z1hFDg29SAV OGc7dBmj4Fc5E88yYtcIuKboRYe+tmvyHPG021h4qTCIhkuMBPgFIHre9+nelDnt 1xaR4DGRWDEPeFQrIkiUMooKtqhf5g== =Xwwi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- coreboot mailing list: coreboot@coreboot.org https://mail.coreboot.org/mailman/listinfo/coreboot