Re: [coreboot] Why I don't like links in commit messages and comments ...

[Kus]

Not that anybody asked me but if the I formation in the link  or a quote can 
fit in the commit message we can put it directly in the commit message? I doubt 
someone will write more than 8KiB of commit message even if you pay them to 
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Re: [coreboot] Why I don't like links in commit messages and comments ...

[Patrick Georgi via coreboot]

2017-08-17 13:49 GMT+02:00 Peter Stuge :
> Let's agree to disagree. Direct links are, well, direct; eliminating
> an undesirable extra search step.
Science today uses doi numbers/links, which plan for moves by addint
indirection.

> I think that broken links are a temporary problem in these early days
> of digital storage
Cue Ted Nelson (http://www.xanadu.net/)


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Re: [coreboot] Why I don't like links in commit messages and comments ...

[Peter Stuge]

I love it when you vent, Ron. :)

ron minnich wrote:
> I don't agree. You don't need links as long as you have google or its
> competitors or successors. But that's just me, no need to continue this,

Let's agree to disagree. Direct links are, well, direct; eliminating
an undesirable extra search step.

I tend to agree with you for generic information such as, say,
"mashed potato recipe" where there is actual value in having multiple
variations and being able to choose the one you like today.

But for specific information, such as a register description PDF or a
programming guide for a given chip, that variation is actually the
last thing you want. ;) (Not that that matters though!)

I think that broken links are a temporary problem in these early days
of digital storage, and that it is important not to lose the
important habit of including specific references.


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Re: [coreboot] Why I don't like links in commit messages and comments ...

[ron minnich]

I don't agree. You don't need links as long as you have google or its
competitors or successors. But that's just me, no need to continue this, I
just thought it was funny that the 1994 had 0 working links :-)
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Re: [coreboot] Why I don't like links in commit messages and comments ...

[Felipe Sanches]

Other that, the other solution I can think of would involve the creation a
coreboot-webreferences git repo (or wiki page, or something else) where
people have to make mandatory backup copies of any web-content they
reference on commit-messages and any other documentation. That solution is
certainly a bit harder to maintain, but much more robust if your goal is to
make sure the info will not be lost. There's a catch with copyright law in
that case, though... but there could arguably be a defense based on
historical preservation purposes similar to the Archive.org project.



2017-08-15 0:51 GMT-03:00 Felipe Sanches :

> It is not perfect, off course!
> But it is their stated mission to do the best for the longevity of the
> preserved data and they seem serious enough about that goal. And it is
> definitely better than the current state of not backing up web-references
> anywhere.
>
> 2017-08-15 0:40 GMT-03:00 ron minnich :
>
>> Why are you assuming that the internet archive will be here in 20 years
>> :-)
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:32 PM Felipe Sanches 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> There's a rather simple solution to that: stipulate that any link in
>>> commit messages must be first saved on the Internet Archive's Wayback
>>> Machine. That is as easy as pasting the original URL into a text field in
>>> this page and clicking the "Save Page Now" button:
>>>
>>> https://archive.org/web/
>>>
>>> 2017-08-14 21:44 GMT-03:00 ron minnich :
>>>
 This is an interesting headline:

 "I Bought a Book About the Internet From 1994 and None of the Links
 Worked"

 What's interesting? That's only 5 years before linuxbios started. I can
 make the totally unwarranted claim that the half life of a link is around
 12 years. I justify this claim with one bogus data point, namely, this
 headline :-)

 But still, what's amazing is when I did a check, about 15 years after
 linuxbios began, about 25% of the links were in fact dead. So the 12 year
 number may not be great, but ... maybe it's not that bad either.

 And now you know why I don't like links in commit messages :-)

 ron

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Re: [coreboot] Why I don't like links in commit messages and comments ...

[Felipe Sanches]

It is not perfect, off course!
But it is their stated mission to do the best for the longevity of the
preserved data and they seem serious enough about that goal. And it is
definitely better than the current state of not backing up web-references
anywhere.

2017-08-15 0:40 GMT-03:00 ron minnich :

> Why are you assuming that the internet archive will be here in 20 years :-)
>
> On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:32 PM Felipe Sanches 
> wrote:
>
>> There's a rather simple solution to that: stipulate that any link in
>> commit messages must be first saved on the Internet Archive's Wayback
>> Machine. That is as easy as pasting the original URL into a text field in
>> this page and clicking the "Save Page Now" button:
>>
>> https://archive.org/web/
>>
>> 2017-08-14 21:44 GMT-03:00 ron minnich :
>>
>>> This is an interesting headline:
>>>
>>> "I Bought a Book About the Internet From 1994 and None of the Links
>>> Worked"
>>>
>>> What's interesting? That's only 5 years before linuxbios started. I can
>>> make the totally unwarranted claim that the half life of a link is around
>>> 12 years. I justify this claim with one bogus data point, namely, this
>>> headline :-)
>>>
>>> But still, what's amazing is when I did a check, about 15 years after
>>> linuxbios began, about 25% of the links were in fact dead. So the 12 year
>>> number may not be great, but ... maybe it's not that bad either.
>>>
>>> And now you know why I don't like links in commit messages :-)
>>>
>>> ron
>>>
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Re: [coreboot] Why I don't like links in commit messages and comments ...

[ron minnich]

Why are you assuming that the internet archive will be here in 20 years :-)

On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 8:32 PM Felipe Sanches  wrote:

> There's a rather simple solution to that: stipulate that any link in
> commit messages must be first saved on the Internet Archive's Wayback
> Machine. That is as easy as pasting the original URL into a text field in
> this page and clicking the "Save Page Now" button:
>
> https://archive.org/web/
>
> 2017-08-14 21:44 GMT-03:00 ron minnich :
>
>> This is an interesting headline:
>>
>> "I Bought a Book About the Internet From 1994 and None of the Links
>> Worked"
>>
>> What's interesting? That's only 5 years before linuxbios started. I can
>> make the totally unwarranted claim that the half life of a link is around
>> 12 years. I justify this claim with one bogus data point, namely, this
>> headline :-)
>>
>> But still, what's amazing is when I did a check, about 15 years after
>> linuxbios began, about 25% of the links were in fact dead. So the 12 year
>> number may not be great, but ... maybe it's not that bad either.
>>
>> And now you know why I don't like links in commit messages :-)
>>
>> ron
>>
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Re: [coreboot] Why I don't like links in commit messages and comments ...

[Felipe Sanches]

There's a rather simple solution to that: stipulate that any link in commit
messages must be first saved on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine.
That is as easy as pasting the original URL into a text field in this page
and clicking the "Save Page Now" button:

https://archive.org/web/

2017-08-14 21:44 GMT-03:00 ron minnich :

> This is an interesting headline:
>
> "I Bought a Book About the Internet From 1994 and None of the Links Worked"
>
> What's interesting? That's only 5 years before linuxbios started. I can
> make the totally unwarranted claim that the half life of a link is around
> 12 years. I justify this claim with one bogus data point, namely, this
> headline :-)
>
> But still, what's amazing is when I did a check, about 15 years after
> linuxbios began, about 25% of the links were in fact dead. So the 12 year
> number may not be great, but ... maybe it's not that bad either.
>
> And now you know why I don't like links in commit messages :-)
>
> ron
>
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