Re: [Debconf-discuss] remote participation in DebConf
+++ Gunnar Wolf [2014-09-20 20:29 -0500]: - Taking care to print and keep up to date the signs stating what is going on at each room (were the signs this year needed? Were they enough?) I'd just like to say that I found these very useful. It's much easier to look at the door than a website or the 'what's next' monitor. So they are not essential, but I did appreciate that someone could be bothered to print them all and stick them all for a whole week :-) Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM http://wookware.org/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 01:26:11AM +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Gunnar Wolf [2014-09-20 20:29 -0500]: - Taking care to print and keep up to date the signs stating what is going on at each room (were the signs this year needed? Were they enough?) I'd just like to say that I found these very useful. It's much easier to look at the door than a website or the 'what's next' monitor. So they are not essential, but I did appreciate that someone could be bothered to print them all and stick them all for a whole week :-) +1 -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.st...@einval.com sladen I actually stayed in a hotel and arrived to find a post-it note stuck to the mini-bar saying Paul: This fridge and fittings are the correct way around and do not need altering ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] remote participation in DebConf
Wookey dijo [Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 01:26:11AM +0100]: I'd just like to say that I found these very useful. It's much easier to look at the door than a website or the 'what's next' monitor. So they are not essential, but I did appreciate that someone could be bothered to print them all and stick them all for a whole week :-) Right. My first impression was just a huge WTF, as I didn't perceive them as useful, but ended appreciating them as well. And, of course, they did provide some entertainment factor as well! http://annex.debconf.org/debconf-share/debconf14/photos/gwolf/20140830/IMG_3918.JPG ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] remote participation in DebConf
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 01:26:11AM +0100, Wookey wrote: +++ Gunnar Wolf [2014-09-20 20:29 -0500]: - Taking care to print and keep up to date the signs stating what is going on at each room (were the signs this year needed? Were they enough?) I'd just like to say that I found these very useful. It's much easier to look at the door than a website or the 'what's next' monitor. So they are not essential, but I did appreciate that someone could be bothered to print them all and stick them all for a whole week :-) I appreciated this as well. However, I think it would have worked just as well to print out a list of all the sessions in that room and post it once, rather than changing the sign for every session. - Josh Triplett ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] remote participation in DebConf
Gunnar Wolf gw...@gwolf.org writes: Eric Dantan Rzewnicki dijo [Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 07:53:56PM -0400]: A dedicated irc proxy volunteer is probably what would be wanted. It is not really a video team task. The talkmeister ought to be watching the clock and passing the microphone, not looking at irc. (incidentally, there's no really strong reason the talkmeister has to be a video team person, either.) Either that, or rework the team definition into a broader (or separate?) talk facilitation team, which tries to ensure talks progress smoothly and cover all needed issues for participants. Because also putting the talkmeisters within the videoteam umbrella means caring for things that are somewhat accessory to what they are trying to achieve. So, several tasks that could be part of this talk facilitation team could be: - Taking care of the ad-hoc scheduling - Taking care to print and keep up to date the signs stating what is going on at each room (were the signs this year needed? Were they enough? Something like that, anyway) - Relaying questions from IRC - Running around with microphones - Reminding people (not just presenters, but also people asking questions!) of sensible time limits It makes sense IMO to decouple several of those tasks from the videoteam work. Thinking on how things can be run in the future, this could mean at a smaller room we _do_ have designated question relayers from IRC, even if we only have one fixed camera and no formal videoteam coverage, and that there is a moderator making sure time limits are observed. Videoteam work could be more focused into the technical details of how to run video, and not so much into the human factors of making sure things happen on time... Of course, it would mean one more series of responsabilities, one more team to man, with all of the needed positions... But would probably be a cleaner separation of concerns, no? I very much agree that all the taks you decribe need to be done. But I would propose a different separation of the teams. One team for the tasks that need to be done during the talks (video, talkmeister, irc-relay) and another team to do those things that happen before the talks (ad-hoc scheduling, maybe signs). The second is IMHO best done by someone from the talk selection and scheduling team. As knowledge about the talks already scheduled is helpful when scheduling ad-hoc talks. I would keep all the on-site volunteers needed during the talks in the same team as it makes it easier to find volunteers for all jobs from a bigger pool. If someone is not comfortable doing some of the jobs, they can just not subscribe to that job. But many are hopefully comfortable doing any of the jobs and can just fill in the positions that still need someone. Gaudenz ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] remote participation in DebConf
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki dijo [Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 07:53:56PM -0400]: A dedicated irc proxy volunteer is probably what would be wanted. It is not really a video team task. The talkmeister ought to be watching the clock and passing the microphone, not looking at irc. (incidentally, there's no really strong reason the talkmeister has to be a video team person, either.) Either that, or rework the team definition into a broader (or separate?) talk facilitation team, which tries to ensure talks progress smoothly and cover all needed issues for participants. Because also putting the talkmeisters within the videoteam umbrella means caring for things that are somewhat accessory to what they are trying to achieve. So, several tasks that could be part of this talk facilitation team could be: - Taking care of the ad-hoc scheduling - Taking care to print and keep up to date the signs stating what is going on at each room (were the signs this year needed? Were they enough? Something like that, anyway) - Relaying questions from IRC - Running around with microphones - Reminding people (not just presenters, but also people asking questions!) of sensible time limits It makes sense IMO to decouple several of those tasks from the videoteam work. Thinking on how things can be run in the future, this could mean at a smaller room we _do_ have designated question relayers from IRC, even if we only have one fixed camera and no formal videoteam coverage, and that there is a moderator making sure time limits are observed. Videoteam work could be more focused into the technical details of how to run video, and not so much into the human factors of making sure things happen on time... Of course, it would mean one more series of responsabilities, one more team to man, with all of the needed positions... But would probably be a cleaner separation of concerns, no? ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com writes: Could the video volunteer peek into a dedicated question channel during the qa part? This video volunteer couldn't -- dyslexia means that if I'm IRCing then I'm not doing anything else (so not directing the video or mixing the sound or whatever my job was supposed to be as a video volunteer). I've seen people that think they can multi-task doing a pretty mediocre job when their attention's elsewhere, and any one of the video jobs can require all of one's attention at times, particularly in the QA sections. This sounds like a job for a new volunteer, unless people think that i.e. the talk-meister should have enough spare time at that point in a talk, but then it needs to be made very clear to the volunteers that that is part of the role. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560] HANDS.COM Ltd. |-| http://www.hands.com/http://ftp.uk.debian.org/ |(| Hugo-Klemm-Strasse 34, 21075 Hamburg,GERMANY pgpxhShSpBGg9.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] remote participation in DebConf
Hi, On Freitag, 19. September 2014, Richard Hartmann wrote: Other ideas: * A good seat in the front with a sign if you sit here, you're the IRC volunteer * The talk-meister designates an IRC volunteer for each talk. those two. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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* Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org [2014-09-19 11:09:24 +0200]: Hi, On Freitag, 19. September 2014, Richard Hartmann wrote: Other ideas: * A good seat in the front with a sign if you sit here, you're the IRC volunteer * The talk-meister designates an IRC volunteer for each talk. those two. For a few years (3-4?) CCC has had the signal angel role which is exactly this: sit in front, close to a microphone, read IRC, and relay questions. AFAICT it works pretty well, and it's not a hard job (although it makes it hard to really follow the talk). Cheers, -- Nicolas Dandrimont Even more amazing was the realization that God has Internet access. I wonder if He has a full newsfeed? (By Matt Welsh) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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also sprach Nicolas Dandrimont ol...@debian.org [2014-09-19 16:05 +0200]: For a few years (3-4?) CCC has had the signal angel role which is exactly this: sit in front, close to a microphone, read IRC, and relay questions. At LISA, sponsored attendees had to sign up and submit summaries for 2 or 3 of the sessions, so we ended up taking notes and writing them up. While this is probably not really necessary for DebConf given video coverage, it does suggest: we could expect our sponsored attendees to do one or two of these, right? -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 09:29:46AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com writes: Could the video volunteer peek into a dedicated question channel during the qa part? This video volunteer couldn't -- dyslexia means that if I'm IRCing then I'm not doing anything else (so not directing the video or mixing the sound or whatever my job was supposed to be as a video volunteer). I've seen people that think they can multi-task doing a pretty mediocre job when their attention's elsewhere, and any one of the video jobs can require all of one's attention at times, particularly in the QA sections. This sounds like a job for a new volunteer, unless people think that i.e. the talk-meister should have enough spare time at that point in a talk, but then it needs to be made very clear to the volunteers that that is part of the role. A dedicated irc proxy volunteer is probably what would be wanted. It is not really a video team task. The talkmeister ought to be watching the clock and passing the microphone, not looking at irc. (incidentally, there's no really strong reason the talkmeister has to be a video team person, either.) -edrz ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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also sprach martin f krafft madd...@debconf.org [2014-09-18 10:50 +0200]: Messages from IRC could be translated to audio using one of the various text-to-speech engines we have in Debian. This would probably be more laughable than useful, don't you think? … bad choice of word, laughable. Sorry. I meant that it would probably be quite messy if IRC was relayed to the audio speakers during an event without any moderation. -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:53:22AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Holger wrote: I also had the impression there was less relaying of questions from IRC this year, no idea if thats true and if so, why. Likewise and I think this is a shame. I think this is something that people simply forget to do (myself included) or find it hard to do since people participating remotely usually have no physical presence. Some ideas: Maybe mix remote participants on WebRTC into the local speaker output and stream? Messages from IRC could be translated to audio using one of the various text-to-speech engines we have in Debian. Make some telepresence hardware running Debian for remote attendees? In previews years we had a working web environment to get people chatting without the need of an IRC client. This year we had timvideos which was broke most of the time. This may be one of the reasons. I'd be glad to see WebRTC being used in next DCs, but I'm not sure how we should set it. No idea about using text-to-speech engines. Regards, -- tiago ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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+++ martin f krafft [2014-09-18 10:50 +0200]: Make some telepresence hardware running Debian for remote attendees? Fundamentally, this is a great idea, but what a job… I was on the technical team of http://tokyolectures.org/, which did telepresence across seven universities in 2004. We had resources available that DebConf does not, at least not yet. Technology has advanced, surely, but there is still no presence and even in business meetings with equipment valued at tens of thousands of Euros nowadays, it's still very hard to be effective and requires *a lot* of discipline. So yes, let's do it, but this will take a couple of years to get right. Who's in? ;) I am very interested in effective remote presence at conferences, primarily to reduce my completely unsustainable travel emissions footprint. I agree it's a very hard problem, especially as the corridor part is just as important as the lecture part IMHO. If anyone is working on this in a free-software-freindly way I'd love to help in my CFT. Wookey -- Principal hats: Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM http://wookware.org/ ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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Could the video volunteer peek into a dedicated question channel during the qa part? Richard Sent by mobile; excuse my brevity. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
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On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 12:53:22AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: Holger wrote: I also had the impression there was less relaying of questions from IRC this year, no idea if thats true and if so, why. Likewise and I think this is a shame. Ditto; I attended the conference, but due to a work meeting, I had to skip one day, and I attended a couple of presentations that day remotely. I appreciated the video, when it was working, but it was very challenging to ask questions via IRC. I think it would help to have one of the volunteers already monitoring the room take a look at the room-specific IRC channel and forward any questions asked there. - Josh Triplett ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
[Debconf-discuss] remote participation in DebConf
Holger wrote: I also had the impression there was less relaying of questions from IRC this year, no idea if thats true and if so, why. Likewise and I think this is a shame. I think this is something that people simply forget to do (myself included) or find it hard to do since people participating remotely usually have no physical presence. Some ideas: Maybe mix remote participants on WebRTC into the local speaker output and stream? Messages from IRC could be translated to audio using one of the various text-to-speech engines we have in Debian. Make some telepresence hardware running Debian for remote attendees? -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
