Re: [Debconf-team] mailing lists on lists.debian.org
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:58:20PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hi, Thanks Richard for starting this discussion. It should come as no surprise that I'm all for de-duplicating DebConf technical infrastructure and lists should be a low-hanging fruit of that (non-trivial for sure, as this discussion shows, but still it seems a good starting point). Also we really want to be able to create lists for debconf-bids as well as for miniconfs. And we would like to be able to do so without a long discussion (ie the period for debconf14 bids ends in 5 months, so it would be hurtful to discuss two month now, whether a debconf14-panama mailinglist would be useful or not. All in all, it seems to me you're saying here that the DebConf team would like to have some sort of freedom in approving (some well-known sets of) debconf* mailing lists. Which is understandable. As it is understandable that Debian listmasters reserve the right to decide upon the creation of lists on lists.debian.org, in general. Hence I guess the issue here is simply spelling out a list of namespaces, where listmasters decision is simply based on what the DebConf team needs. According to this discussion, the namespace seems to be debconf-* and debconf??-*. Of course the above say nothing about how long will it take to create the lists: listmasters are volunteers as debconf team members are. But maybe --- and that would be the ideal outcome of any deduplication effort --- some debconf team member will end up volunteering to help list masters initially for debconf-* lists and, in the future, who knows for what else :-) Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli . . . . . . . z...@upsilon.cc . . . . o . . . o . o Maître de conférences . . . . . http://upsilon.cc/zack . . . o . . . o o Debian Project Leader . . . . . . @zack on identi.ca . . o o o . . . o . « the first rule of tautology club is the first rule of tautology club » signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] mailing lists on lists.debian.org
Hi, here my very personal thoughts on it and i need to say that i have not yet discussed with any of the other listmasters of lists.d.o! On Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 11:33:31 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:58:20PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hence I guess the issue here is simply spelling out a list of namespaces, where listmasters decision is simply based on what the DebConf team needs. According to this discussion, the namespace seems to be debconf-* and debconf??-*. Of course the above say nothing about how long will it take to create the lists: listmasters are volunteers as debconf team members are. But maybe --- and that would be the ideal outcome of any deduplication effort --- some debconf team member will end up volunteering to help list masters initially for debconf-* lists and, in the future, who knows for what else :-) a) lists.d.o software can handle more than just the lists.d.o domain, so we could just add a lists.debconf.org domain. b) adding two (or so) listmasters from the debconf team might bring fresh blood into the listmasters team. c) debconf listmasters would then just handle their own domains on their need. This would help both, current debian.org listmaster team, and we would have no need to introduce a new namespace within lists.d.o. Cheers, Martin -- Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org | Debian System Administrator Debian GNU/Linux Developer | Debian Listmaster GPG key http://go.debian.net/B11B627B | GPG Fingerprint: 6B18 5642 8E41 EC89 3D5D BDBB 53B1 AC6D B11B 627B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] mailing lists on lists.debian.org
On 21/08/12 11:50, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Hi, here my very personal thoughts on it and i need to say that i have not yet discussed with any of the other listmasters of lists.d.o! On Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 11:33:31 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:58:20PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hence I guess the issue here is simply spelling out a list of namespaces, where listmasters decision is simply based on what the DebConf team needs. According to this discussion, the namespace seems to be debconf-* and debconf??-*. Of course the above say nothing about how long will it take to create the lists: listmasters are volunteers as debconf team members are. But maybe --- and that would be the ideal outcome of any deduplication effort --- some debconf team member will end up volunteering to help list masters initially for debconf-* lists and, in the future, who knows for what else :-) a) lists.d.o software can handle more than just the lists.d.o domain, so we could just add a lists.debconf.org domain. Just out of interest, which software? I previously deployed mailman for other projects, but when virtual hosting became necessary went over to Sympa, because mailman had various shortcomings with virtual hosts. b) adding two (or so) listmasters from the debconf team might bring fresh blood into the listmasters team. c) debconf listmasters would then just handle their own domains on their need. Does the software already support that with hard limits, or it would just be done on trust? Sympa supports multiple admin levels: - server admin - domain admin - list admin ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] mailing lists on lists.debian.org
Hi, On Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 13:26:52 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: a) lists.d.o software can handle more than just the lists.d.o domain, so we could just add a lists.debconf.org domain. Just out of interest, which software? I previously deployed mailman for other projects, but when virtual hosting became necessary went over to Sympa, because mailman had various shortcomings with virtual hosts. smartlist -- Martin Zobel-Helas zo...@debian.org | Debian System Administrator Debian GNU/Linux Developer | Debian Listmaster GPG key http://go.debian.net/B11B627B | GPG Fingerprint: 6B18 5642 8E41 EC89 3D5D BDBB 53B1 AC6D B11B 627B ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] collaboration/conferencing solutions (beyond IRC/email)
I'm just wondering if there is ongoing interest in anything beyond IRC, either for the -team meetings, or for use at DebConf itself I've been evaluating various products, like SylkServer, and I'm happy to support such initiatives either for DebConf or a wider Debian use case. SylkServer ITP bug (sponsor needed too): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682698 List of various solutions: http://wiki.debian.org/AlternativesToMumble ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] mailing lists on lists.debian.org
Daniel Pocock schrieb am Tuesday, den 21. August 2012: On 21/08/12 11:50, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote: Hi, here my very personal thoughts on it and i need to say that i have not yet discussed with any of the other listmasters of lists.d.o! On Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 11:33:31 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 09:58:20PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: Hence I guess the issue here is simply spelling out a list of namespaces, where listmasters decision is simply based on what the DebConf team needs. According to this discussion, the namespace seems to be debconf-* and debconf??-*. Of course the above say nothing about how long will it take to create the lists: listmasters are volunteers as debconf team members are. But maybe --- and that would be the ideal outcome of any deduplication effort --- some debconf team member will end up volunteering to help list masters initially for debconf-* lists and, in the future, who knows for what else :-) a) lists.d.o software can handle more than just the lists.d.o domain, so we could just add a lists.debconf.org domain. Just out of interest, which software? a heavily modified smartlist- c) debconf listmasters would then just handle their own domains on their need. Does the software already support that with hard limits, or it would just be done on trust? It doesn't. Anybody doing anything in such a list must be in the listmaster group and would be able to edit all lists. Alex -- Alexander Wirt, formo...@formorer.de CC99 2DDD D39E 75B0 B0AA B25C D35B BC99 BC7D 020A ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] And regarding the Penta replacement
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55:22AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: Am 14.08.2012 09:25, schrieb Eric Dantan Rzewnicki: - Resources? I can have this on a VM of my personal machine, but I'd very much rather if we have a instance where more people can log in and hack on it. A DebConf machine? A Debian machine? Would be good. But *please* not a painfully underpowered instance as Cletus (the test instance for Penta), it only makes stuff harder. A DebConf machine. We are currently in progress getting a new (big) one, as a replacement for the host where cletus (and more) is on. I intend to have one (or more) VMs up on that where we can play with it. As said multiple times in IRC already. Timeframe is one, two weeks, by now. It's been one week now. Do you expect it to be ready next week? -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] IRC DebConf meeting minutes
Hi all, Le lundi, 20 août 2012 18.37:21, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : = Prospective Agenda http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf13/Meetings/20120821 start template :-) This has now happenned, many thanks to all attendees and participants for this meeting, the minutes are available there: http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2012/debconf-team.2012-08-21-17.54.html I previously announced that I would pick a meeting date earlier this week-end but unfortunately, life took over. Sorry for that. Sorry again for that: I'll try to announce meetings a tad earlier in the future. Don't hesitate to take over the poll parsing and meeting announcement in case I go out scouting on a swiss mountain without internet again. :-) Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] collaboration/conferencing solutions (beyond IRC/email)
Just a follow up, chat on IRC suggests my message was not so clear: - I'm not advocating we drop IRC. Jabber actually supports `Multi User Chat', and it can be bridged to IRC, so people use what they want - Voice/Audio was deliberately not mentioned in the first email: text is fine - Other forms of collaboration might involve whiteboard, video, etc and as an innovative organization, maybe others will emerge once an XMPP platform is in place - not specifically for -team meetings, as mentioned in the email, it could be for DebConf itself, e.g. people asking questions remotely could be cued through a conference server and they can have their face on the projector (and in the official talk videos) - not mandatory though, but useful for BoF sessions? - such radical ideas could initially be tried at a smaller meeting (e.g. next time there is a face-to-face meeting of local team, or a mini-DebConf) On 21/08/12 13:40, Daniel Pocock wrote: I'm just wondering if there is ongoing interest in anything beyond IRC, either for the -team meetings, or for use at DebConf itself I've been evaluating various products, like SylkServer, and I'm happy to support such initiatives either for DebConf or a wider Debian use case. SylkServer ITP bug (sponsor needed too): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=682698 List of various solutions: http://wiki.debian.org/AlternativesToMumble ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
