[Debconf-team] Food costs for externals (was: DC15 - Prices and deals for non-sponsored attendees)
also sprach Giacomo Catenazzi c...@debian.org [2015-01-19 16:04 +0100]: - We need the lunch and dinner costs for non-hosted attendees. Each meal will be about 7€. Just for the record, I am not much in favour for catering to externals. The youth hostel has a high standard and we would like an integrative conference. If John Doe thinks he's too good for a hostel bed, then he can pay us e.g. 25 € or so per day for food. -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16: Cape Town or Montreal? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Prices and deals for non-sponsored attendees
also sprach Guido Trotter ultrot...@gmail.com [2015-01-19 17:57 +0100]: FYI people getting paid in Euros didn't suddenly get a 20% raise, No, but we effectively earned 20 % too much over the last years by being paid in a currency that was artificially valued higher than its worth. Anyway, debconf-macroecononics might be the better list for this. Add to this, at a target inflation rate of 2 %, the 500 CHF from 2013 are now 435 €, so 400 € would be too little IMHO. OTOH, 450 € seems a bit weird and I doubt corporates will actually care about those 50€ (or the 67 €). We can argue about professionals though. 200 CHF in 2013 would be 173 € now, so 175 € seems accurate. But we should really not look at the past and decide the present based on that. We should really just look at (a) what we need, and (b) estimate what people would be willing to pay. The difference between 150 € and 200 € over a week is 7 €/day. That's two beers or one cocktail, and we often don't think much about it before ordering one ;)¹ I personally think that 200 € is sensible for professional registration. Otoh, I would suggest to leave the amount open and just suggesting 200 €, but letting people easily commit to 30 €, 150 € or even 300 €. Corporates should just stay fixed at 500 €. ¹) though you should if you do so every day in a week. -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16: Cape Town or Montreal? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DC15 - Event submission form
Hi all, You can find bellow the fields that we will like to use on the event submission form for DC15 Please note that some fields are new and are marked as such. 1) Title 2) Description 3) Track 4) Type: + Plenary + Talk (New requested type, s/Presentation/Talk/) + BoF + Social (New requested type) + Special event. + Ad-Hoc (New requested type) 5) URLs 6) Participants list ( remove ) 7) Notes to Content team (New requested type) Cheers -- René signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Prices and deals for non-sponsored attendees
martin f krafft dijo [Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 06:56:27PM +0100]: also sprach norman nor...@riseup.net [2015-01-18 17:40 +0100]: Not sure if it's a good idea but maybe I'm missing something, I'd prefer not to have those kind of difference, we always encourage people to support DebConf by paying their food+accom and we always have a good response of regularly DebConf attendees. Marga's idea here is that by acknowledging the support — especially by professionals, who voluntarily donate 200 € to the conference — we can encourage others to follow suit. Many of us can afford 200 € out of the money we earn using Debian. Being able to publicly say so, e.g. with a coloured badge, or getting swag in return is just a nice confirmation. I am with Norman, I don't like that idea. I start from the basis that people will follow suit if they can. Because we are all devoting our time (thus, our work, thus, our money) to Debian. If I know that Debian is paying for my stay, I'm taking something from Debian (hoping to give back more). The reasoning behind DebConf should stay as evaluating a community of people wanting to do good for the project. I don't think we have a real problem of freeloaders who come on vacation. And visible differentiation is by far not the way we should go. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Food costs for externals (was: DC15 - Prices and deals for non-sponsored attendees)
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 9:47 PM, David Bremner da...@tethera.net wrote: I'm not sure this is what you're suggesting, but if you're suggesting that we categorically refuse to sponsor food for anyone not staying on site, I think that's counterproductive. From a pragmatic point of view, we're talking about a tiny number of cases; from a more idealistic point of view I think that as much as practical we should let people contribute to DebConf (and to Debian) on their own terms. Also, what about people who are couch-surfing or similar to keep our costs down. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Food costs for externals (was: DC15 - Prices and deals for non-sponsored attendees)
also sprach David Bremner da...@tethera.net [2015-01-20 21:47 +0100]: I'm not sure this is what you're suggesting, but if you're suggesting that we categorically refuse to sponsor food for anyone not staying on site, I think that's counterproductive. From a pragmatic point of view, we're talking about a tiny number of cases; from a more idealistic point of view I think that as much as practical we should let people contribute to DebConf (and to Debian) on their own terms. I won't argue this and you are probably right. -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16: Cape Town or Montreal? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Food costs for externals (was: DC15 - Prices and deals for non-sponsored attendees)
also sprach martin f krafft madd...@debconf.org [2015-01-20 23:16 +0100]: I don't think we need people to do that but should work harder to attract more funds and let more people be integrated properly into the conference. Put differently: at least for such all-in-one-place conferences, we should always send the message that we would like to have as many people stay on-site as possible. This includes corporates for whom we'd like to find solutions such as single rooms, but also everyone else, such that noone ever feels like they ought to couch-surf to not be a burden. It would lessen their (and other people's) conf experience, unless they have another reason to couch-surf. None of this applies to campers, of course, but there won't be any at DC15, I assume… -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16: Cape Town or Montreal? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Event submission form
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 08:44:38PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach René Mayorga rmayo...@debian.org.sv [2015-01-20 19:50 +0100]: ... 4) Type: + Plenary + Talk (New requested type, s/Presentation/Talk/) Just out of curiosity: why? + BoF + Social (New requested type) + Special event. + Ad-Hoc (New requested type) Will you disable ad-hoc submissions until the conference? To my thinking, ad-hoc is not an attribute of an event, but of the combination of time slot and room into which it might be scheduled. In summit-speak, I think we should make a new Ad-hoc type of a Slot. It is probably possible to make it so that such slot/room combinations aren't available for scheduling until we want them to be. i.e. 24 hours in advance, or whatever time limit content team decides. Then within those slots any appropriate type (talk, BoF, social, discussion, what-have-you) of Ad-Hoc events could be scheduled. Being Ad-Hoc is about when an event's creator(s) gets to claim space and time for it. Not about what said event is going to do with that spacetime. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Food costs for externals (was: DC15 - Prices and deals for non-sponsored attendees)
also sprach Richard Hartmann richih.mailingl...@gmail.com [2015-01-20 22:26 +0100]: Also, what about people who are couch-surfing or similar to keep our costs down. I don't think we need people to do that but should work harder to attract more funds and let more people be integrated properly into the conference. -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16: Cape Town or Montreal? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Event submission form
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 08:44:38PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach René Mayorga rmayo...@debian.org.sv [2015-01-20 19:50 +0100]: 1) Title ... 7) Notes to Content team (New requested type) What about the list of presenters/organisers? Do you mean the list that an event proposer/creator gets to choose from to select Participants? I recall some were concerned about this exposing the list of attendees. If we disable it in the propose_event form, I guess events with multiple speakers/organizers/whatever would require intervention by someone with special summit perms. -edrz ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Event submission form
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 08:44:38PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach René Mayorga rmayo...@debian.org.sv [2015-01-20 19:50 +0100]: 4) Type: + Plenary + Talk (New requested type, s/Presentation/Talk/) Just out of curiosity: why? During the discussion about this, some people feel that Talk is more suitable than presentation, allowing the attendants to participate a bit more on a talk, also most of the presentation on DebConf encourage QA and participation from the audience. + Ad-Hoc (New requested type) Will you disable ad-hoc submissions until the conference? The procedure for this is not defined yet, this is still on discussion. 6) Participants list ( remove ) 7) Notes to Content team (New requested type) What about the list of presenters/organisers? Currently the submitter of the event is the drafter(owner) of the event, we need to make sure if summit can handle multiple owners for one talk, a field for this can be included, but also there are not too much events with multiple owners, then if it is supported we can also add the rest of the owners from the admin interface? What about feedback from participants? I guess the event submission form is not the place to include feedback for participants, specially if the event didn't happen yet :) Cheers -- René signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DC15 - Event submission form
Hi all, You can find bellow the fields that we will like to use on the event submission form for DC15 Please note that some fields are new and are marked as such. 1) Title 2) Description 3) Track 4) Type: + Plenary + Talk (New requested type, s/Presentation/Talk/) + BoF + Social (New requested type) + Special event. + Ad-Hoc (New requested type) 5) URLs 6) Participants list ( remove ) 7) Notes to Content team (New requested type) Cheers -- René signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Food costs for externals (was: DC15 - Prices and deals for non-sponsored attendees)
martin f krafft madd...@debconf.org writes: also sprach Giacomo Catenazzi c...@debian.org [2015-01-19 16:04 +0100]: - We need the lunch and dinner costs for non-hosted attendees. Each meal will be about 7€. Just for the record, I am not much in favour for catering to externals. The youth hostel has a high standard and we would like an integrative conference. If John Doe thinks he's too good for a hostel bed, then he can pay us e.g. 25 € or so per day for food. I'm not sure this is what you're suggesting, but if you're suggesting that we categorically refuse to sponsor food for anyone not staying on site, I think that's counterproductive. From a pragmatic point of view, we're talking about a tiny number of cases; from a more idealistic point of view I think that as much as practical we should let people contribute to DebConf (and to Debian) on their own terms. d ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Event submission form
also sprach René Mayorga rmayo...@debian.org.sv [2015-01-20 21:31 +0100]: What about the list of presenters/organisers? Currently the submitter of the event is the drafter(owner) of the event, we need to make sure if summit can handle multiple owners for one talk, a field for this can be included, but also there are not too much events with multiple owners, then if it is supported we can also add the rest of the owners from the admin interface? Right, this should be a 1:∞ relation and with Django it should not be hard to hack this up quickly for the event owner to control themselves. What about feedback from participants? I guess the event submission form is not the place to include feedback for participants, specially if the event didn't happen yet :) Ah, sorry. I got sidetracked… ;) -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16: Cape Town or Montreal? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DebConf16 Decision Meeting: January 27th, 19 UTC.
Hi all, The decision meeting for settling the location for DebConf16 will be next Tuesday, January 27th at 19 UTC. It will be held in #debconf-team at irc.debian.org. -- Besos, Marga ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 - Event submission form
also sprach René Mayorga rmayo...@debian.org.sv [2015-01-20 19:50 +0100]: 1) Title 2) Description 3) Track 4) Type: + Plenary + Talk (New requested type, s/Presentation/Talk/) Just out of curiosity: why? + BoF + Social (New requested type) + Special event. + Ad-Hoc (New requested type) Will you disable ad-hoc submissions until the conference? 5) URLs 6) Participants list ( remove ) 7) Notes to Content team (New requested type) What about the list of presenters/organisers? What about feedback from participants? Thanks, -- .''`. martin f. krafft madd...@debconf.org @martinkrafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf15: Heidelberg, Germany: http://debconf15.debconf.org DebConf16: Cape Town or Montreal? https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16 digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
