Re: [Debconf-team] This week's meetings...

2015-09-15 Thread Gunnar Wolf 
Eric Dantan Rzewnicki dijo [Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 08:37:29PM -0400]:
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:33:21AM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote:
> > Hi all
> > * 2. Website meeting - Tammy, Raoul, Simon
> 
> Other possibly relevant persons: wendar, tumbleweed, cate, edrz (me),
> (other past contributors ...), ...
> (...)
> For too long we've had (at least) 3 separate web facing systems: static
> site, wiki, conference management system (penta, summit, wafer(?)). The
> topics listed in 2. apply to each at least to some degree. Some of us,
> myself included, would like to see the 3 systems integrated as much as
> possible with a unified look/feel/user experience and minimised
> duplication of data, content and effort.
> 
> Perhaps we can call it a web presence meeting?

Count me intersted in this.
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Re: [Debconf-team] font licensing notes

2015-09-15 Thread Jonathan Carter 
Hi Eric

On 15/09/2015 03:56, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
> I don't know much about licenses. But, DebConf users will file bugs [0]
> if we make them pull anything (fonts, css, js, etc) from anywhere else.
> Which is to say I think we'll need to be able to serve our own copy of
> whatever we end up using.
> 
> [0] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=781402

The bug link above refers to a privacy violation since using fonts on a
CDN can be used to track a user's browsing habits. In our case we link
to download locations where we get the fonts and use them locally.

If someone wants to file an RFP for those, we're fine with that. I'd
even encourage it :)

-Jonathan

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Re: [Debconf-team] This week's meetings...

2015-09-15 Thread Jonathan Carter 
Hey

On 15/09/2015 02:37, Eric Dantan Rzewnicki wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 10:33:21AM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote:
>> Hi all
>> * 2. Website meeting - Tammy, Raoul, Simon
> 
> Other possibly relevant persons: wendar, tumbleweed, cate, edrz (me),
> (other past contributors ...), ...

And me.

> I'm not sure I understand this split between frontend and backend. 

We need to do away with that terminology because it doesn't make any
sense with how websites are implemented since the last few years, you
can safely ignore those terms when you come across it, in the meantime
I'll try to weed them out :)

> For too long we've had (at least) 3 separate web facing systems: static
> site, wiki, conference management system (penta, summit, wafer(?)). The
> topics listed in 2. apply to each at least to some degree. Some of us,
> myself included, would like to see the 3 systems integrated as much as
> possible with a unified look/feel/user experience and minimised
> duplication of data, content and effort.

*nod*

-Jonathan

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Re: [Debconf-team] This week's meetings...

2015-09-15 Thread martin f krafft 
also sprach Eric Dantan Rzewnicki  [2015-09-15 02:37 +0200]:
> For too long we've had (at least) 3 separate web facing systems:
> static site, wiki, conference management system (penta, summit,
> wafer(?)). The topics listed in 2. apply to each at least to some
> degree. Some of us, myself included, would like to see the
> 3 systems integrated as much as possible with a unified
> look/feel/user experience and minimised duplication of data,
> content and effort.

… and a more intuitive, less error-prone means for editing, that is
consistent across the media, ideally.

Thanks for bringing this up.

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Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings

2015-09-15 Thread Jonathan Carter 
On 15/09/2015 13:13, Jonathan Carter wrote:
> On 15/09/2015 12:54, Bernelle Verster wrote:
>> It looks like Wednesdays 19:00 UTC (21:00 SAST/local event time) still
>> seems good. If there's no massive objections, can we then make the
>> meeting tomorrow night? Please add agenda items on the wiki (currently
>> still blank) [1].
>>
>> Two things:
>> * Daylight savings time is happening soon, which changes these times.
>> We can either choose to stick with the SAST time or do a dudle again
>> (ha!)
>> *I don't think we'll find a single time to suit everyone. So my
>> suggestion is, can we alternate these meetings? Every two weeks on a
>> Wednesday (21:00 SAST, which is 19:00 UTC and 20:00UTC after DST...)
>> and then every other week another day, perhaps Thursday?, same time.
> 
> Alternating between 19:00 and 20:00 sounds reasonable. I don't think we
> need another dudle poll.

*ahem*, make that "Alternating between Wednesday and Thursday sounds
reasonable".

-Jonathan

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Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings

2015-09-15 Thread Jonathan Carter 
On 15/09/2015 12:54, Bernelle Verster wrote:
> It looks like Wednesdays 19:00 UTC (21:00 SAST/local event time) still
> seems good. If there's no massive objections, can we then make the
> meeting tomorrow night? Please add agenda items on the wiki (currently
> still blank) [1].
> 
> Two things:
> * Daylight savings time is happening soon, which changes these times.
> We can either choose to stick with the SAST time or do a dudle again
> (ha!)
> *I don't think we'll find a single time to suit everyone. So my
> suggestion is, can we alternate these meetings? Every two weeks on a
> Wednesday (21:00 SAST, which is 19:00 UTC and 20:00UTC after DST...)
> and then every other week another day, perhaps Thursday?, same time.

Alternating between 19:00 and 20:00 sounds reasonable. I don't think we
need another dudle poll.

-Jonathan

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Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings

2015-09-15 Thread Stefano Rivera 
Hi Bernelle (2015.09.15_12:54:48_+0200)
> It looks like Wednesdays 19:00 UTC (21:00 SAST/local event time) still
> seems good. If there's no massive objections, can we then make the
> meeting tomorrow night? Please add agenda items on the wiki (currently
> still blank) [1].

Yeah, that sounds fine.

> (21:00 SAST, which is 19:00 UTC and 20:00UTC after DST...)

UTC is not affected by daylight savings.

Are you suggesting we move to 20:00 UTC (an hour later in ZA) when the
northern hemisphere does its DST thing?

SR

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Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings

2015-09-15 Thread Stefano Rivera 
Hi Jonathan (2015.09.15_13:33:45_+0200)
> *ahem*, make that "Alternating between Wednesday and Thursday sounds
> reasonable".

So, looking at the dudle, 2 chairs who can make Wednesdays can't make
Thursdays. And the only person that seems to benefit from Thursday is
Jan-Marek.

Is the complication of the two meeting times worth it?

SR

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Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings

2015-09-15 Thread Eric Dantan Rzewnicki 
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 12:54:48PM +0200, Bernelle Verster wrote:
> It looks like Wednesdays 19:00 UTC (21:00 SAST/local event time) still
> seems good. If there's no massive objections, can we then make the
> meeting tomorrow night? Please add agenda items on the wiki (currently
> still blank) [1].

We could have a meeting tomorrow, but attendance is often low when a
meeting is announced on such short notice. I would suggest trying to
settle on a schedule today, then set and announce the next meeting for
next week.

-Eric
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Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings

2015-09-15 Thread Bernelle Verster 
So.. who's making a call on the dudle?

It looks like Wednesdays 19:00 UTC (21:00 SAST/local event time) still
seems good. If there's no massive objections, can we then make the
meeting tomorrow night? Please add agenda items on the wiki (currently
still blank) [1].

Two things:
* Daylight savings time is happening soon, which changes these times.
We can either choose to stick with the SAST time or do a dudle again
(ha!)
*I don't think we'll find a single time to suit everyone. So my
suggestion is, can we alternate these meetings? Every two weeks on a
Wednesday (21:00 SAST, which is 19:00 UTC and 20:00UTC after DST...)
and then every other week another day, perhaps Thursday?, same time.

Can you all have a look at those options and chat about it on IRC, so
we get something that works for most?

regards
B

[1] - https://debconf.org/action/submit/DebConf16/Meetings/2015-09-16

On Tue, Sep 8, 2015 at 12:32 AM, Stefano Rivera  wrote:
> While work on the DC15 final report continues, our focus starts to shift
> to the next DebConf, DC16.
>
> Until now, the DC16 team has been meeting on Wednesdays at 18:30 UTC.
> However, that may not work for the rest of the broader DebConf team, so
> we are re-polling on the best time for meetings:
> https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/xwrd6g9h/
>
> If you've already seen this poll, please check it again. New time
> options have been added, several times, since it was first announced.
>
> These meetings will be held in #debconf-team. I think we should try to
> reduce use of the dc16 mailing list and IRC channel, and keep everything
> central. (Having to CC both lists, like this, is especially annoying)
>
> I think the normal pattern will be that only the coordination team is
> expected to attend the meetings. Other team leads short report in, maybe
> once a month, or when necessary.
>
>
> There will be one more meeting on the old schedule: #debconf16-capetown,
> at 18:30 UTC on Wednesday 9th:
> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf16/Meetings/2015-09-09
>
> Hopefully we can announce the new schedule by the end of this week.
>
> SR
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Re: [Debconf-team] Scheduling DC16 meetings

2015-09-15 Thread Bernelle Verster 
On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 2:22 PM, Stefano Rivera  wrote:
> Hi Bernelle (2015.09.15_12:54:48_+0200)
>> It looks like Wednesdays 19:00 UTC (21:00 SAST/local event time) still
>> seems good. If there's no massive objections, can we then make the
>> meeting tomorrow night? Please add agenda items on the wiki (currently
>> still blank) [1].
>
> Yeah, that sounds fine.
>
>> (21:00 SAST, which is 19:00 UTC and 20:00UTC after DST...)
>
> UTC is not affected by daylight savings.

I did not know this, but it makes sense. disregard all that then.
>
> Are you suggesting we move to 20:00 UTC (an hour later in ZA) when the
> northern hemisphere does its DST thing?

I don't have an opinion on it - I know last year people asked for the
meeting to move a bit earlier to account for their time change. I
would suggest not going any later than 19:00 UTC.

>
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