Re: [Debconf-team] on talk duration, the LCA model (45 + 15 mins)
Hi, On Freitag, 28. Januar 2011, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: Here is one: have talks slot of 45 minutes + 15 minutes of *break* before the start of the next talk. whooohoo. Totally! Thanks for reminding us of this. cheers, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] on talk duration, the LCA model (45 + 15 mins)
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 08:50:52PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: On 01/27/2011 08:41 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: being currently at LCA 2011 for the first time in my life, I'm naturally inclined to look for best practices that we might want to adopt for DebConf. Here is one: have talks slot of 45 minutes + 15 minutes of *break* before the start of the next talk. I like this model more than the 1 hour model we have at DebConf for various reasons: At dc10, we did 55 minutes + 5 minute breaks. The overwhelming consensus was that this was a serious mistake. Something like what zack is proposing (45+15) would have been much better. In addition to the good arguments zack made, i'll add one more: * time for the video team to actually take a bit of a break, rather than scrambling continuously between talks. votes++ ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] on talk duration, the LCA model (45 + 15 mins)
On 01/27/2011 08:41 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: being currently at LCA 2011 for the first time in my life, I'm naturally inclined to look for best practices that we might want to adopt for DebConf. Here is one: have talks slot of 45 minutes + 15 minutes of *break* before the start of the next talk. I like this model more than the 1 hour model we have at DebConf for various reasons: At dc10, we did 55 minutes + 5 minute breaks. The overwhelming consensus was that this was a serious mistake. Something like what zack is proposing (45+15) would have been much better. In addition to the good arguments zack made, i'll add one more: * time for the video team to actually take a bit of a break, rather than scrambling continuously between talks. Being on the video team is a strenuous job, and the video team does amazing work for 7 days in a row. Letting them do things like go to the bathroom or grab a snack seems like a friendly thing to do. Thanks, video team! And mea culpa for being one of the folks who settled on the 55+5 format of DC10. --dkg PS note also that you may want even longer breaks if the venues are geographically far apart. at DC10, the farthest distance between any two conference rooms could be covered in a couple minutes by most attendees. if we'd had space on the other end of campus, it would have been a different matter. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] on talk duration, the LCA model (45 + 15 mins)
Personally, I think this is a great idea, and purpose we start
practicing it at DebConf11.
Adnan
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:41 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli z...@debian.org wrote:
Dear all,
being currently at LCA 2011 for the first time in my life, I'm
naturally inclined to look for best practices that we might want to
adopt for DebConf.
Here is one: have talks slot of 45 minutes + 15 minutes of *break*
before the start of the next talk. I like this model more than the 1
hour model we have at DebConf for various reasons:
- time to move from one talk to the next, without the stress of missing
a talk start if the previous one overflows, no matter room disposition
(e.g.: whether they are physically near or not)
- 1 hour slots is actually too long: we often don't use all of it and,
even if we do, the attention span of listeners is shorter than
that. Additionally: we reduce the potential damage (in terms of
conference time that could be user in more useful ways) of
non-experienced speakers; while experienced speakers will be able to
convey quite some content in a 45 minute time frame anyhow.
- 45 minutes is a reasonable time frame for either a relatively short
talk of 30 minutes + 15 minutes for questions (which is quite a long
time) or for a more intense talk of 40 minutes + 5 minutes for 2-3
questions.
Just as a suggestion, do with it whatever you please.
Cheers.
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Re: [Debconf-team] on talk duration, the LCA model (45 + 15 mins)
- very right
- slots 1 h have multiplicity problems
- the most far away rooms were argentina's, 15 mins ok for that
- forgotten argument: chit chat w/ the speaker
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 08:50:52PM -0500, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
In addition to the good arguments zack made, i'll add one more:
* time for the video team to actually take a bit of a break, rather
than scrambling continuously between talks.
Very good argument, thanks for having brought it up.
PS note also that you may want even longer breaks if the venues are
geographically far apart. at DC10, the farthest distance between any
To the best of my memory, the venue where we had the largest distance
among rooms have been Argentina, but even in that case it was just 5-10
minutes of actual walk from room to room. I can hardly imagine any
suitable venue requiring more than that, and as long as times are like
those, 15 minutes of break should be more than enough (of course at that
point people who should move from one place to another will lose some of
the advantages of the break, but well, life's hard).
Another argument I forgot to mention is that the break is useful also to
enable attendees hang around and ask speakers a few questions, in case
they didn't get a chance, or didn't feel like, to do so publicly (seems
to happen fairly often here at LCA).
Cheers.
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Re: [Debconf-team] on talk duration, the LCA model (45 + 15 mins)
Quoting Stefano Zacchiroli (z...@debian.org): To the best of my memory, the venue where we had the largest distance among rooms have been Argentina, but even in that case it was just 5-10 minutes of actual walk from room to room. I can hardly imagine any Hmmm, in ARG, the talk rooms were *very close*. Indeed, there was only one as the other one was mostly a bof room The place where the distance *between talk rooms* was the 'longest' was indeed Edinburgh (DC7). It was also the place where we had the largest talk schedule and IIRC everybody reminds it as difficult to handle. Of course, one should also consider the distance between hacklabs and talk rooms and, in this, things have varied over years: - Helsinki and Oaxtepec (DC5 and DC6) had a quite significant distance - Porto Alegre (DC4), Edinburgh (DC7), Mar del Plata (DC8), Caceres (DC9) and New York (DC10) had short distance (dunno for DC0 to DC3 as I wasn't there...but those were very different from what DebConf became after DC4) In this, I think that everybody agrees that a large distance between talk rooms and hacklabs isn't the best option. Ideally, its best to have them in the same building (NY was very close to this). Another argument I forgot to mention is that the break is useful also to enable attendees hang around and ask speakers a few questions, in case they didn't get a chance, or didn't feel like, to do so publicly (seems to happen fairly often here at LCA). That makes many arguments for your proposal and I am also among those people who think this is a great suggestion. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
