Re: Installer Profiles

2006-09-22 Thread Cedar Cox

Windowmaker! 2¢


Yeah. I also think there should be the choice (I use KDE).


likes. (Most of the people will choose Gnome or KDE, I think).



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Re: [D-I] mass kernel udeb update and preparations for RC1

2006-09-22 Thread Frans Pop
(Reply-to set to debian-boot; please only add relevant port if needed.)

/me wonders why there have been almost no reactions to this mail
The first part is mostly information (though a cool or thanks would be 
appreciated), but the second part has some issues that need attention.

Have D-I porters actually read the mail?
Is it useful that I send such mails at all?

On Sunday 17 September 2006 14:28, Frans Pop wrote:
 Dear (d-i) porters,

 First mass upload of kernel udebs
 =
 Today I have uploaded kernel udeb updates to 2.6.17-9 _for all arches_.
 This is the first time using the 'massbuild' [1] script I wrote
 recently.

 Effectively this means that d-i porters won't really have to worry
 anymore about updating kernel udebs after uploads by the kernel team.
 Only if the kernel major/minor changes will I request porters to do the
 upload themselves. For stable releases (including ABI changes) I intend
 to do these mass builds and do the uploads myself.

 Hopefully this will help the speed with which kernel udebs are updated
 and allow you all to spend more time testing d-i ;-)

 Of course porters are still responsible for maintaining which modules
 will be included for each arch/flavor. If you have changes between
 kernel major/minor releases you can either commit them and upload, or
 commit them as UNRELEASED and they will be automatically included in
 the next mass build.

 The massbuild script can be used for single-arch builds too. Its main
 advantage is that kernel images don't need to be installed and the
 certainty that the correct kernel version will be used. Feel free to
 contact me to help you get started.

 Some comments on today's upload:
 - I have used the last released version of kernel-wedge and will
 normally do that in the future too
 - I have not really checked or tested the udebs [2], so there could be
   some surprises; please be alert for them
 - m68k: I had to update the dependencies from kernel-image to
 linux-image


 The road to RC1
 ===
 We are slowly moving towards RC1. I plan to post an initial planning
 later this week.
 As we get closer to Etch, testing the installer for all arches gets to
 be more important. Any time you can spend on that is very much
 appreciated.

 There are some issues that need attention:
 * type of initrd used
   Some arches have already switched to using initramfs for d-i initrds,
   other arches are still using cramfs or ext2. Please check if a change
   could/should be made for your architecture.
 * 2.4 support now officially dropped
   Starting with RC1 d-i will no longer support 2.4 based installations.
   All arches have been switched now and some cleanup has been started;
   more cleanup is expected and this may cause unexpected breakage.
 * support for non-devfs device names
   Colin Watson has committed a series of changes to make d-i support
   non-devfs device names. We will be slowly moving away from using
   devfs names, but the most intrusive work will be postponed until
   after Etch. Please check for unexpected breakage though.
 * partman-auto using LVM and crypto
   partman-auto-lvm now has been available for some time, but is still
   not available for all arches. LVM support is a prerequisite for
   partman-auto-crypto support which will be uploaded soon.
   Note: swap on LVM should be possible now and is even required for
   partman-auto-crypto.
   If you would like to add support for it, please see [3]. Feel free
   to contact me or David Härdeman (Alphix) for help.

 * mips: keyboard issues
   We've had a report about a dead keyboard on installation (#382983).
   This needs to be investigated.
 * powerpc: oldworld boot problems with recent kernels

 If there are other architecture specific issues that we should be aware
 of, please let me know.

 Cheers,
 FJP

 [1]
 http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/people/fjp/massbuild?op=filerev=0sc=0
 [2] The script does have a number of sanity checks though.
 [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg01054.html


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Re: One more time, openoffice :)

2006-09-22 Thread Emmanuel Fleury
Rafael Rodríguez wrote:
 Hi,
 
 there are experimental ubuntu amd64-native packages for OpenOffice
 according to [1]. Apart from that, a couple of days ago non-official
 packages (re-built from the debian unstable sources) were posted in this
 list, but I haven't had the time to test them quite a lot. In fact, I
 have a bug: the first time I start OpenOffice, it crashes, but the
 second time it works... ?¿

By now, you do not need to modify anymore the debian/rules file. The
amd64 architecture is compiling fine automatically and produce all the
needed packages.

But the software is still quite unstable and need to be tested and debugged.

 Anyway, anyone knows the state of the former and the latter, or the
 plans? Rene, are you alive? ;)

I guess now it's building fine and we need to fix all these pointers
problems (last time I ran it I was hitting a double free problem).

Just to recall the process to compile it:

First of all, few links about OpenOffice:
http://www.openoffice.org/
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_to_x86-64_(AMD64,_EM64T)
http://openoffice.debian.net/
http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org.html

Preparing to compile (to be done once):

1) Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib

2) Update:
su -c 'apt-get update'

3) Get the packages needed to compile openoffice.org:
su -c 'apt-get build-dep -t experimental openoffice.org'

Note: The package boost-build is needed but might not be in the list
of the build-dep (install it by hand if needed)

Once you got all these done, we can get the source and compile it:

1) Get the source from the experimental Debian repository (getting the
sources from the experimental makes it sure to track bugs on the very
last version): apt-get source -t experimental openoffice.org

2) Move to the build directory: cd openoffice-*

3) Build the package (this might take quite a while):
dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc

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Re: fglrx 8.29.6 and Xorg 7.1.1 :: ABI major version mismatch

2006-09-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 03:10:14PM -0700, Max A. wrote:
 fglrx 8.29.6 claims to support Xorg 7.1
 http://www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.29.6.html
 
 But I cannot get it work because of the following error:
 
 (II) LoadModule: fglrx
 (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
 (II) Module fglrx: vendor=FireGL - ATI Technologies Inc.
compiled for 6.8.99.8, module version = 8.29.6
Module class: X.Org Video Driver
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.7
 (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
 (II) UnloadModule: fglrx
 (II) Unloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
 (EE) Failed to load module fglrx (module requirement mismatch, 0)
 
 Does anybody know how to fix that?

They also claim:
* Attempting to install the ATI Proprietary Linux driver on distributions
that have updated certain 3D components outside of the stock XOrg
6.8.2 may result in the driver not initializing 3D applications
properly. Further details can be found in topic number 737-20868

Well it could be a problem here given 7.1 has many updates over the
6.8.2 they compile against.  Certianly nvidia made some fixes in their
last release to support 7.1.

* Loading the XVideo Extension on 64-bit Xorg 6.9+ systems causes the
X Server to segfault on launch with ATI Radeon X1K products. Further
details and the workaround can be found in topic number 737-22837

This may be a problem given this is 64bit.  I don't see anywhere which
ATI you are using

* Users with X Server X.org 7.1 can not play any video using XV. The ATI
AVIVO Video adaptor is not present.  Further details and the workaround
can be found in topic number 737-22852

I am guessing this isn't the problem.

Of course none of those issues really sound like they should give an abi
error.  Any change you are running with the old kernel module loaded and
trying to use the new driver?  Which version of the kernel module do you
have loaded?

A quick google search brought up this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg49143.html
so perhaps all you need is a newer version of the package in question.

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Re: tyan board

2006-09-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 09:18:50PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm building my new computer and am ready to look at boards.
 
 I've settled on AMD AM2 socket.
 
 I don't do games but would like to transfer videos to DVD and
 watch DVDs (edit out commercials?) and other home use type stuff.  For this,
 I want a good selection of USB, more than one SATA, firewire, etc.  In fact,
 the n3400B is only short the eSATA to match the features that I would use
 of the ASIS Crosshair (apparently a gamers' heaven).

The Asus boards have always treated me well (although I have only ever
bought the higher end models), and anything with an nvidia chipset
generally does well with linux.  Via can be a bit tricky although it
will usually end up working within a few months (2.6.18 added support
for the most recent via chipsets), and ati is simply a nightmare with
linux.

Is esata necesary?  Is it supported by linux (I don't think hotplug is
implemented for sata yet, although people are working on it).

 I want a solid reliable board as I usually only get a new computer every
 10 years or so.  
 
 I understand that Tyan boards are very good and generally well supported 
 in Linux.  So far I've found the Tomcat n3400B and the h1000s.
 
 The Tyan website under 'drivers' has them listed specifically for
 RHES and SLES.  How does this translate to using these boards under Debian?

For etch, probably not a problem.  For sarge (which is about as old as
RHES's last release I suspect) you would probably have driver problems
due to the hardware being much newer than the kernel.  It really just
depends on what components does it use and whether the kernel has
drivers for those in the release you decide to use.

 I've been trying to answer this myself using Google without success.  
 
 Has anyone used either of these boards?  

Well I only use Asus boards myself.  I have never used a tyan, although
they do seem to have a good reputation (and they can run linuxbios
apparently).

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Re: fglrx 8.29.6 and Xorg 7.1.1 :: ABI major version mismatch

2006-09-22 Thread Max A.

On 9/22/06, Lennart Sorensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Of course none of those issues really sound like they should give an abi
error.  Any change you are running with the old kernel module loaded and
trying to use the new driver?  Which version of the kernel module do you
have loaded?


I did not try older versions of fglrx with Xorg 7.1. Update to Xorg
7.1 in debian/unstable coincided with the release 8.29.6 of fglrx
driver from ATI. So I tried them together but with no luck.
The kernel module was freshly compiled one from the fglrx 8.29.6 distribution.


A quick google search brought up this:
http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg49143.html
so perhaps all you need is a newer version of the package in question.


But that bugreport is about the opensource driver ati not about the
proprietary driver fglrx.

Max


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Re: tyan board

2006-09-22 Thread Francesco Pietra
On Friday 22 September 2006 16:13, Lennart Sorensen wrote:


 Well I only use Asus boards myself.  I have never used a tyan, although
 they do seem to have a good reputation (and they can run linuxbios
 apparently).

I run debian amd64 etch on tyan S2895 K8WE. Everything fine, in particular a 
real raid1 (debian software), although I can say little about the X-system, 
which (although it worked finely) I have no more installed in a new 
installation. I do not need it. That new installation (kernel 17-2) because 
the Maxtor HD proved incompatible - probably with nvidia chipsets on the 
mainboard. One of the disks (not always the same) from time to time halted, 
although raid1 reconstructed it, so that when restarting the machine nothing 
wrong could be detected. With WD Raptor in place of Maxtor nothing wrong has 
happened in about ten days of uninterrupted work (I can say that because 
halting of one Maxtor had negative impact on calculations with mpqc2.3.1).

If anything, I was unhappy with Tyan Europe. Asking them about their raid - 
which had nothing to do with linux although I mentioned debian linux 
somewhere - the answer was we do not answer linux questions or about so. My 
mail to Tyan Taiwan - complaining about that answer by Tyan Europe - remained 
unanswered. Therefore, do not expect support by Tyan if you use linux. I can 
not rule out that problems may arise from that Tyan way of doing. I wonder 
whether Extremadura is going to Tyan at all. I would not if I had to buy a 
new motherboard (this is no comparison with other motherboards, I am no 
expert).

cheers
francesco pietra

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Re: tyan board

2006-09-22 Thread dtutty
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 10:13:32AM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
 On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 09:18:50PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm building my new computer and am ready to look at boards.
  I've settled on AMD AM2 socket.
 
 The Asus boards have always treated me well (although I have only ever
 bought the higher end models), and anything with an nvidia chipset
 generally does well with linux.  Via can be a bit tricky although it
 will usually end up working within a few months (2.6.18 added support
 for the most recent via chipsets), and ati is simply a nightmare with
 linux.
 
 Is esata necesary?  Is it supported by linux (I don't think hotplug is
 implemented for sata yet, although people are working on it).
 
  I want a solid reliable board as I usually only get a new computer every
  10 years or so.  
  
  I understand that Tyan boards are very good and generally well supported 
  in Linux.  So far I've found the Tomcat n3400B and the h1000s.
  
  The Tyan website under 'drivers' has them listed specifically for
  RHES and SLES.  How does this translate to using these boards under Debian?
 
 For etch, probably not a problem.  For sarge (which is about as old as
 RHES's last release I suspect) you would probably have driver problems
 due to the hardware being much newer than the kernel.  It really just
 depends on what components does it use and whether the kernel has
 drivers for those in the release you decide to use.
 
 Well I only use Asus boards myself.  I have never used a tyan, although
 they do seem to have a good reputation (and they can run linuxbios
 apparently).
 
 --
 Len Sorensen
 
Thanks Len,

I hadn't heard of Tyan (I haven't looked at boards before; the last
computer I bought was an IBM 486 in 1993) but it was recommended to me on this
forum.  Asus seems to cater to the gaming crowd while Tyan seems to cater
to the server/workstation crowd and it is this latter which more closely
matches my use of a computer.

Both the Asus Crosshair (nVidia 590 SLI chipset) and the Tyan Tomcat n3400B
have a MSRP about the same at $200.  The Tyan gives me video while the Asus
would mean I'd have to get a display card as well.

eSATA isn't necessary right now, and I could add a card later.  Since I only 
buy a new computer every decade or two, I'm trying to think ahead (as much
as is possible with computers).  eSATA seems to be the up-and-coming way
to connect external storage instead of SCSI (expensive) or USB (slower).
My concern here is how to backup in the future, but that's a problem for
later.  I don't need hotplug.

The Tyan also has a serial port.  While I can add a USB serial port, I don't
think I can use one for a serial console.  Depending on how I'm using a 
computer, I sometimes like to use a serial console and keep messages
from showing up on the VCs (if I am still using video).  I guess thats a 
bit old-fashioned of me, but then again, 99% of what I do is text-based 
(why can't lynx do javascript?).  

Given the price similarity, I'm assuming at this point that while Asus 
puts the value in making it stable for overclocking, Tyan puts the value
in making it stable for the long-run.  

Whatever board I go with, it will be mounted in a CoolerMaster stacker 
with cross-flow fan with drives in the 4-in-3 fan cooled modules.  The 
processor will be the last thing I buy because of all the components
in a computer, the processor drops in price fastest.

Comments on my assumptions are greatly appreciated.  

Thanks,

Doug.


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Can't capture sound thru the mic input

2006-09-22 Thread Bernardo Arlandis Mañó

Hi.

I was using the mic without problems until some days ago when it stopped 
working. I've checked and tried everything with the mixer, the 
configuration that always had worked now it doesn't. I have an NForce4 
chipset using the intel8x0 alsa driver.


I have debian unstable and update almost daily.

Anyone else? Do you know what might be happening?

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Re: tyan board

2006-09-22 Thread dtutty
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 01:00:27PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 12:27:38PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 Well if you don't need video for anything other than the console and
 setting up, then onboard video certainly makes sense.  Unfortunately it
 appears you have to get either firewire and audio or on onboard video on
 the tyan.  Not sure why the one with onboard video has no firewire.
 Of course you may decide it makes more sense to add a seperate firewire
 card since then you can get 800Mbps firewire, rather than have to add
 a video card.  The tyan also uses the nforce pro chipset, rather than a
 consumer level chipset.
 

The Tyan Tomcat n3400B (S2925) has both video and 2 firewire (and floppy,
,4 USB, 1 serial, 1 paralell, sound, 2 GB LAN, 6 SATA 3.0, 1 IDE).  
I'll use the video for most things most of the time and for Xwidown
running Mozilla, Xcdroast, and eventually video editing, only having
to add a capture card (or USB dongle?).

  Given the price similarity, I'm assuming at this point that while Asus 
  puts the value in making it stable for overclocking, Tyan puts the value
  in making it stable for the long-run.  
  
  Whatever board I go with, it will be mounted in a CoolerMaster stacker 
  with cross-flow fan with drives in the 4-in-3 fan cooled modules.  The 
  processor will be the last thing I buy because of all the components
  in a computer, the processor drops in price fastest.
  
  Comments on my assumptions are greatly appreciated.  
 
 Well I see no problem with either.
 
 --
 Len Sorensen
 
 
The Tyan Tomcat n3400B s2925 uses the nVIDIA nForce Pro 3400 chipset
(it also mentions SMSC DME 5017, but I don't recognize that).

Is there any reason to think that it wouldn't work?


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Re: Can't capture sound thru the mic input

2006-09-22 Thread Bernardo Arlandis Mañó

Bernardo Arlandis Mañó escribió:

Hi.

I was using the mic without problems until some days ago when it 
stopped working. I've checked and tried everything with the mixer, the 
configuration that always had worked now it doesn't. I have an NForce4 
chipset using the intel8x0 alsa driver.


I have debian unstable and update almost daily.

Anyone else? Do you know what might be happening?

Best regards.

I just found that setting Mic Select to Mic 2 and enabling Capture 
recording now it works. Something must have changed so that I had to 
touch these settings I've never have even seen before. Any info 
somewhere about the mixer settings and especially about Capture?


I hope it helps anybody.

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Re: tyan board

2006-09-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 02:16:52PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The Tyan Tomcat n3400B (S2925) has both video and 2 firewire (and floppy,
 ,4 USB, 1 serial, 1 paralell, sound, 2 GB LAN, 6 SATA 3.0, 1 IDE).  
 I'll use the video for most things most of the time and for Xwidown
 running Mozilla, Xcdroast, and eventually video editing, only having
 to add a capture card (or USB dongle?).

Hmm, looked at the page:
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/tomcatn3400b.html
I get the impression from the two SKU lines, that you either get
firewire and audio, or you get graphics, but that there is no SKU that
has both.  Maybe the page is wrong and they have more SKUs or I just
don't understand what they are trying to say.

 The Tyan Tomcat n3400B s2925 uses the nVIDIA nForce Pro 3400 chipset
   (it also mentions SMSC DME 5017, but I don't recognize that).

The SMSC is just a super io chip.  Those are usually generic (parallel
and serial ports are generic on PCs really.)

 Is there any reason to think that it wouldn't work?

The ones I can easily find for sale are:
http://www.8anet.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=28lastcatid=5step=4 S2925A2NRF
http://www.8anet.com/merchant.ihtml?pid=29lastcatid=5step=4 S2925G2NR

As for as I can tell in the product codes, A = audio, G = graphics, N =
networking, R = raid, F = firewire.

Which ones have you found for sale?

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Re: One more time, openoffice :)

2006-09-22 Thread henk
On Thursday 21 September 2006 17:41, Emmanuel Fleury wrote:
 Rafael Rodríguez wrote:
  Hi,
 
  there are experimental ubuntu amd64-native packages for OpenOffice
  according to [1]. Apart from that, a couple of days ago non-official
  packages (re-built from the debian unstable sources) were posted in this
  list, but I haven't had the time to test them quite a lot. In fact, I
  have a bug: the first time I start OpenOffice, it crashes, but the
  second time it works... ?¿

 By now, you do not need to modify anymore the debian/rules file. The
 amd64 architecture is compiling fine automatically and produce all the
 needed packages.

 But the software is still quite unstable and need to be tested and
 debugged.

  Anyway, anyone knows the state of the former and the latter, or the
  plans? Rene, are you alive? ;)

 I guess now it's building fine and we need to fix all these pointers
 problems (last time I ran it I was hitting a double free problem).

 Just to recall the process to compile it:

 First of all, few links about OpenOffice:
 http://www.openoffice.org/
 http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_to_x86-64_(AMD64,_EM64T)
 http://openoffice.debian.net/
 http://packages.qa.debian.org/o/openoffice.org.html

 Preparing to compile (to be done once):

 1) Add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
 deb-src ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib

 2) Update:
 su -c 'apt-get update'

 3) Get the packages needed to compile openoffice.org:
 su -c 'apt-get build-dep -t experimental openoffice.org'

 Note: The package boost-build is needed but might not be in the list
 of the build-dep (install it by hand if needed)

At this point i get:

c64:~# apt-get install -t experimental boost-build
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
boost-build is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 11 not upgraded.
c64:~# apt-get build-dep -t experimental openoffice.org
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
E: Build-dependencies for openoffice.org could not be satisfied.

Any ideas?

Mzzl
Henk


 Once you got all these done, we can get the source and compile it:

 1) Get the source from the experimental Debian repository (getting the
 sources from the experimental makes it sure to track bugs on the very
 last version): apt-get source -t experimental openoffice.org

 2) Move to the build directory: cd openoffice-*

 3) Build the package (this might take quite a while):
 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc

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Re: tyan board

2006-09-22 Thread dtutty
I received this from the Tyan automated tech support mail system.

They say that the nVidia nForce chipset isn't supported in Debian.
Does anybody know from the Debian perspective if this is true?

  What OS's are currently supported by the nVidia nForce Chipset?
  Here is a listing of the OS's that will/won't and will be supported for
  these motherboard:

  Yes:
  Workstation and Advanced Server RHEL3 Update 4 (No update 1, 2 or 3)
  Workstation and Advanced Server RHEL4
  SuSE 9.1, 9.2 and 9.3 (64-bt)

  No:
  No RedHat 32-bit Distributions
  No SuSE 32-bit Distributions
  No Debian, Gentuu, Fedora Core or Turbo Linux
  No FreeBSD

I take it that this refers to current Debian 3.1.  Since 4.0 isn't released
yet but will include an AMD64 specific version, will it then work?




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cfs reports Input/Output error

2006-09-22 Thread Sergio Mendoza
Hi,

  I'm using cfs on an amd64 (sid).  The Cryptographic File System (cfs) deb
package used to work fine.  Haven't used it for a while on amd64 (only on
i386) and now... it doesn't work.  I can manage to mount the encrypted
directory by doing:

  $ cfssh directory

  The problem is when I try to see what's inside the directory:

  $ ls
  ls: reading directory .: Input/output error

  $ echo *
  *

  My guess is that this is a problem with the way things are mounted, not
ls.  I've tried to do an strace on this, but didn't get anything.  Any
ideas on how to fix this.

Cheers,

Sergio.


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Re: tyan board

2006-09-22 Thread Lennart Sorensen
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 04:32:30PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I received this from the Tyan automated tech support mail system.
 
 They say that the nVidia nForce chipset isn't supported in Debian.
 Does anybody know from the Debian perspective if this is true?

In sarge that is probably true.  In etch it almost certainly isn't.
Support depends on the kernel version, not the distribution.  The nforce
pro 3400 is as far as I can tell a modification of the MCP51/MCP55
series chipset, which I believe is what the 570/590 is.  So it is
basicly an nforce 5 series chipset with some server oriented specs.

The nforce2 works with sarge (I have multiple machines with it), the
nforce 3 works with sarge (my wife's laptop has that chipset), and the
nforce 4 might work with sarge, but might not work perfectly.  A newer
2.6 kernel works fine with it.  The nforce pro 3400 chipset in this case.
Of course this does appear to be one amazingly new chipset, and hence may
not be fully supported yet, although if they claim RHEL can boot on it,
I expect anything with a recent kernel should too.  Drivers for any fake
raid or other such device on the other hand may be harder to get.

As for what actually supports that board, I can't really find anything,
since it appears to be much too new for anyone to actually have one yet.

 I take it that this refers to current Debian 3.1.  Since 4.0 isn't released
 yet but will include an AMD64 specific version, will it then work?

I would think so.  Just because they won't support it, doesn't mean it
won't work.  Redhat and Suse don't get to have their own kernels with
special drivers other people don't get (unless they add binary only
drivers seperately for some things).

Dell also doesn't support Debian, but lots of people use it anyhow.

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Re: [D-I] mass kernel udeb update and preparations for RC1

2006-09-22 Thread Stephen R Marenka
On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 02:31:43PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
 (Reply-to set to debian-boot; please only add relevant port if needed.)
 
 /me wonders why there have been almost no reactions to this mail
 The first part is mostly information (though a cool or thanks would be 
 appreciated), but the second part has some issues that need attention.
 
 Have D-I porters actually read the mail?
 Is it useful that I send such mails at all?

I was happy to hear about it. About the only reponse I have is thanks!
:)

Stephen (for m68k)

 On Sunday 17 September 2006 14:28, Frans Pop wrote:
  Dear (d-i) porters,
 
  First mass upload of kernel udebs
  =
  Today I have uploaded kernel udeb updates to 2.6.17-9 _for all arches_.
  This is the first time using the 'massbuild' [1] script I wrote
  recently.
 
  Effectively this means that d-i porters won't really have to worry
  anymore about updating kernel udebs after uploads by the kernel team.
  Only if the kernel major/minor changes will I request porters to do the
  upload themselves. For stable releases (including ABI changes) I intend
  to do these mass builds and do the uploads myself.
 
  Hopefully this will help the speed with which kernel udebs are updated
  and allow you all to spend more time testing d-i ;-)
 
  Of course porters are still responsible for maintaining which modules
  will be included for each arch/flavor. If you have changes between
  kernel major/minor releases you can either commit them and upload, or
  commit them as UNRELEASED and they will be automatically included in
  the next mass build.
 
  The massbuild script can be used for single-arch builds too. Its main
  advantage is that kernel images don't need to be installed and the
  certainty that the correct kernel version will be used. Feel free to
  contact me to help you get started.
 
  Some comments on today's upload:
  - I have used the last released version of kernel-wedge and will
  normally do that in the future too
  - I have not really checked or tested the udebs [2], so there could be
some surprises; please be alert for them
  - m68k: I had to update the dependencies from kernel-image to
  linux-image
 
 
  The road to RC1
  ===
  We are slowly moving towards RC1. I plan to post an initial planning
  later this week.
  As we get closer to Etch, testing the installer for all arches gets to
  be more important. Any time you can spend on that is very much
  appreciated.
 
  There are some issues that need attention:
  * type of initrd used
Some arches have already switched to using initramfs for d-i initrds,
other arches are still using cramfs or ext2. Please check if a change
could/should be made for your architecture.
  * 2.4 support now officially dropped
Starting with RC1 d-i will no longer support 2.4 based installations.
All arches have been switched now and some cleanup has been started;
more cleanup is expected and this may cause unexpected breakage.
  * support for non-devfs device names
Colin Watson has committed a series of changes to make d-i support
non-devfs device names. We will be slowly moving away from using
devfs names, but the most intrusive work will be postponed until
after Etch. Please check for unexpected breakage though.
  * partman-auto using LVM and crypto
partman-auto-lvm now has been available for some time, but is still
not available for all arches. LVM support is a prerequisite for
partman-auto-crypto support which will be uploaded soon.
Note: swap on LVM should be possible now and is even required for
partman-auto-crypto.
If you would like to add support for it, please see [3]. Feel free
to contact me or David Härdeman (Alphix) for help.
 
  * mips: keyboard issues
We've had a report about a dead keyboard on installation (#382983).
This needs to be investigated.
  * powerpc: oldworld boot problems with recent kernels
 
  If there are other architecture specific issues that we should be aware
  of, please let me know.
 
  Cheers,
  FJP
 
  [1]
  http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/people/fjp/massbuild?op=filerev=0sc=0
  [2] The script does have a number of sanity checks though.
  [3] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg01054.html



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Re: tyan board

2006-09-22 Thread dtutty
Sorry Len, I sent it directly to you instead of the list by accident.
(I know, no excuse for hitting the wrong key in mutt).

On Fri, Sep 22, 2006 at 05:56:23PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
 Support depends on the kernel version, not the distribution.  The nforce
 pro 3400 is as far as I can tell a modification of the MCP51/MCP55
 series chipset, which I believe is what the 570/590 is.  So it is
 basicly an nforce 5 series chipset with some server oriented specs.
 
 I expect anything with a recent kernel should too.  Drivers for any fake
 raid or other such device on the other hand may be harder to get.

Any raid I would do would probably be Linux kernel as I understand 
that its faster than most hardware-based.  I'm not really interested in
raid anyway; more interested in learning about logical volume
management.
 
 As for what actually supports that board, I can't really find anything,
 since it appears to be much too new for anyone to actually have one yet.
 
 

I've never tried to use a testing-level system.  Once I get my
CD-burner working on my 486, I'll try to get the current Debian testing
CD.  

Thanks,

Doug.


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