Bug#1063916:

[Jeffrey Walton]

Also see :


Debian-legal has already taken an interest in this, and consensus is
to steer clear of your freenginx fork due to copyright and trademark
infringement risks. Because of that edict, I am unable to get this
into Debian.

I have already reached out to Canonical Legal for assessment on the
concerns with regards to Ubuntu.  If they rule similarly, then we face
a similar hurdle, which will prohibit us from using the Debian or
Ubuntu repositories to distribute freenginx.

Bug#1063916: Message from hellekin

[hellekin]

What about changing upstream of existing nginx* packages to follow the developer 
community?


As a heavy NginX user, I would rather do this than keep with a company with 
questionable practices. Stick to the developers, not the company.


Any other option (new packaging, etc.) would simply require changes on all 
servers. So, there must be some policy in Debian that protects the developer 
community and helps follow its decision. If not, that's probably a good 
discussion to have.


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Bug#1063916: RFP: freenginx -- a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the development community

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 4:57 PM Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
 wrote:
>
> Is there *any* point on packaging this nginx fork this early?
>
> We don't yet know the bus factor (i.e. uptake of the fork, size of core team, 
> etc) of this fork yet.  We don't know how the dynamics with the F5-controlled 
> ngnix project will play out re. cross-merges, security issues (which are very 
> likely to be the same for both projects for quite a while given the shared 
> code), etc.
>
> If nginx and freenginx diverge too much on functionality, it might make sense 
> to have both in Debian.  If they do not, we more likely should stick with 
> either one, but not both (and it is way too early to even guess which one 
> would make sense to stick to)...
>
> There are other potential issues as well, it is best to wait a couple months 
> at the very least.

Thank you sir!

And my apologies for selecting the wrong license. That was a
copy/paste error from the sample wnpp request.

Jeff

Bug#1063916:

[Jeffrey Walton]

X-Debbugs-CC: mdou...@mdounin.ru

Bug#1063916: RFP: freenginx -- a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the development community

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

Is there *any* point on packaging this nginx fork this early?

We don't yet know the bus factor (i.e. uptake of the fork, size of core team, 
etc) of this fork yet.  We don't know how the dynamics with the F5-controlled 
ngnix project will play out re. cross-merges, security issues (which are very 
likely to be the same for both projects for quite a while given the shared 
code), etc.

If nginx and freenginx diverge too much on functionality, it might make sense 
to have both in Debian.  If they do not, we more likely should stick with 
either one, but not both (and it is way too early to even guess which one would 
make sense to stick to)...

There are other potential issues as well, it is best to wait a couple months at 
the very least.

-- 
  Henrique de Moraes Holschuh 

Bug#1063916: RFP: freenginx -- a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the development community

[Maxim Dounin]

Hello!

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024 at 10:18:28AM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:

> [CC += Maxim]
> <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1063916>
> 
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:46:28 -0500 Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > X-Debbugs-CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org
> > 
> > * Package name: freenginx
> >   Version : 1.24.0
> >   Upstream Author : Maxim Dounin and the development community
> >   Section: web
> > * URL : http://freenginx.org/
> > * License : GPL
> >   Programming Lang: C
> >   Description : a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the
> > development community
> > 
> > -
> 
> Is it really GPL (and if so, which version)?  I don't see any mentions
> by Maxim that he would relicense it as GPL (but I would love it).

No, the license is BSD.  No license changes are expected.

-- 
Maxim Dounin
http://mdounin.ru/

Bug#1063916: RFP: freenginx -- a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the development community

[Alejandro Colomar]

[CC += Maxim]
<https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1063916>

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 15:46:28 -0500 Jeffrey Walton  wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> X-Debbugs-CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org
> 
> * Package name: freenginx
>   Version : 1.24.0
>   Upstream Author : Maxim Dounin and the development community
>   Section: web
> * URL : http://freenginx.org/
> * License : GPL
>   Programming Lang: C
>   Description : a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the
> development community
> 
> -

Is it really GPL (and if so, which version)?  I don't see any mentions
by Maxim that he would relicense it as GPL (but I would love it).

Have a lovely day!
Alex

-- 
<https://www.alejandro-colomar.es/>


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Bug#1063916: RFP: freenginx -- a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the development community

[Adrien CLERC]

Le 14/02/2024 à 21:46, Jeffrey Walton a écrit :

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC:debian-de...@lists.debian.org

* Package name: freenginx
   Version : 1.24.0
   Upstream Author : Maxim Dounin and the development community
   Section: web
* URL :http://freenginx.org/
* License : GPL
   Programming Lang: C
   Description : a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the
development community


There's also https://github.com/webserver-llc/angie Last commit is from 
end of December, but it should be wise to wait and see how it settles I 
guess.


Adrien

Bug#1063916: RFP: freenginx -- a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the development community

[Alejandro Colomar]

+1


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Bug#1063916: RFP: freenginx -- a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the development community

[Jeffrey Walton]

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-de...@lists.debian.org

* Package name: freenginx
  Version : 1.24.0
  Upstream Author : Maxim Dounin and the development community
  Section: web
* URL : http://freenginx.org/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: C
  Description : a fork of nginx maintained by Maxim Dounin and the
development community

-

In February 2024, Maxim Dounin forked Nginx and created the freenginx
project. According to Maxim's announcement on the nginx-users mailing
list 
():


Hello!

As you probably know, F5 closed Moscow office in 2022, and I no
longer work for F5 since then.  Still, we’ve reached an agreement
that I will maintain my role in nginx development as a volunteer.
And for almost two years I was working on improving nginx and
making it better for everyone, for free.

Unfortunately, some new non-technical management at F5 recently
decided that they know better how to run open source projects.  In
particular, they decided to interfere with security policy nginx
uses for years, ignoring both the policy and developers’ position.

That’s quite understandable: they own the project, and can do
anything with it, including doing marketing-motivated actions,
ignoring developers position and community.  Still, this
contradicts our agreement.  And, more importantly, I no longer able
to control which changes are made in nginx within F5, and no longer
see nginx as a free and open source project developed and
maintained for the public good.

As such, starting from today, I will no longer participate in nginx
development as run by F5.  Instead, I’m starting an alternative
project, which is going to be run by developers, and not corporate
entities:

http://freenginx.org/

The goal is to keep nginx development free from arbitrary corporate
actions.  Help and contributions are welcome.  Hope it will be
beneficial for everyone.

-- 
Maxim Dounin
http://freenginx.org/