Bug#608098: gnome-core: revert mass migration from -desktop-environment to -core
Le lundi 27 décembre 2010 à 22:12 +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit : But given the serious answers he also gave (and the retitle-joke itself) I dont think this humor was abuse. It was a joke, which some people didnt like and some didnt find funny. And some laughed. So what. It wasn’t really meant as a joke, more as a camel’s back breaking with this last straw. These metapackages are a continuous source of grievance and bug reports. I can receive the same day reports from people saying the metapackages are too heavy and others asking new dependencies to be added. There’s no end to that madness. Personally (and in the piuparts context) I used to be way more relaxed + cheerful replying to people who tell me that (they think) their package had valid reasons to violate policy - but sadly over time I've become midly annoyed and also bored, that I have to spend my time again+again to explain why/that policy is there and also applies to this or that package... I can only empathize with you. -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#608098: gnome-core: revert mass migration from -desktop-environment to -core
retitle 608098 RFP: gnome-martin-eric-racine - metapackage for Martin-Éric Racine’s needs reassign 608098 wnpp kthxbye Le lundi 27 décembre 2010 à 08:07 +0200, Martin-Éric Racine a écrit : The massive migration of dependencies from gnome-desktop-environment to gnome-core is extremely undesirable, because it spoils the usefulness that gnome-core used to have in pulling just enough packages to have a basic GNOME environment. Now, instead, it pulls WAY too many packages and leaves the user without any simple method for installing basic GNOME components. The gnome-core package is not here to fulfill the needs of a given user. If you need a specific set of packages, please make your metapackages yourself. See brdesktop-gnome for an example of such a recurrent failure. Cheers, -- .''`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `--- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#608098: gnome-core: revert mass migration from -desktop-environment to -core
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: retitle 608098 RFP: gnome-martin-eric-racine - metapackage for Martin-Éric Racine’s needs reassign 608098 wnpp kthxbye Le lundi 27 décembre 2010 à 08:07 +0200, Martin-Éric Racine a écrit : The massive migration of dependencies from gnome-desktop-environment to gnome-core is extremely undesirable, because it spoils the usefulness that gnome-core used to have in pulling just enough packages to have a basic GNOME environment. Now, instead, it pulls WAY too many packages and leaves the user without any simple method for installing basic GNOME components. The gnome-core package is not here to fulfill the needs of a given user. If you need a specific set of packages, please make your metapackages yourself. See brdesktop-gnome for an example of such a recurrent failure. Sorry, but am I the only one who considers this reply as pointlessly abrasive, inappropriate and offensive? Regards, Martin-Éric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#608098: gnome-core: revert mass migration from -desktop-environment to -core
On 2010-12-27 11:31, Martin-Éric Racine wrote: On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: retitle 608098 RFP: gnome-martin-eric-racine - metapackage for Martin-Éric Racine’s needs [...] Sorry, but am I the only one who considers this reply as pointlessly abrasive, inappropriate and offensive? I also don't like the style of the answer. Nevertheless, while I see your rationale, I doubt it's enough to overrule the maintainer. -- Eugene V. Lyubimkin aka JackYF, JID: jackyf.devel(maildog)gmail.com C++/Perl developer, Debian Developer -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#608098: gnome-core: revert mass migration from -desktop-environment to -core
Le lundi 27 décembre 2010 à 11:31 +0200, Martin-Éric Racine a écrit : On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: The gnome-core package is not here to fulfill the needs of a given user. Sorry, but am I the only one who considers this reply as pointlessly abrasive, inappropriate and offensive? I suggest that you spend the next days with bug reports from 50 different users, each of them having his own idea of what should be in this or that metapackage. Which reminds me of a recent debate on how to have more bug reports: on this topic I really wish we had *less* bug reports overall, but more useful ones. Since you point this to a list that might be interested for a more thorough picture, here it is: in squeeze, the gnome-session package now depends on the basic components that are actually needed for running a GNOME session. Since this change was made, I hadn’t known what to do of gnome-core, as it had became obsolete. The size issue of fitting GNOME on the first CD gave an obvious answer to what this metapackage should become. So in short: * gnome-core = GNOME installation designed to fit on one CD * gnome-desktop-environment ≈ GNOME as defined by upstream * gnome = full GNOME installation for the default installation If you are skilled enough to consider that the existing metapackages don’t suit you and you need something lighter, you are also skilled enough to install the needed packages by hand. kthxbye, -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' “If you behave this way because you are blackmailed by someone, `-[…] I will see what I can do for you.” -- Jörg Schilling signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Bug#608098: gnome-core: revert mass migration from -desktop-environment to -core
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