Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
On Friday, April 24, 2020 12:08:46 PM EDT Shengjing Zhu wrote: > On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:44 PM gregor herrmann wrote: > [...] > > > > Could this wiki page be more useful? > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/AliothMigration#Import_mailing_list > > > > Not really; the lists we are talking about _are_ migrated to > > alioth-lists.debian.net which will continue to accept mail for > > @lists.alioth.debian.org. > > And like Andreas, I see no point in changing the mail addresses in > > thousands of packages and various tools and parts of infrastructure. > > So your expectation is alioth-lists.d.n will become a long term service. > > However I read the announcement[1] 2 years ago differently. > > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/01/msg3.html > > > This is not intended to supercede the advice to make use of other > > services where appropriate, such as lists.debian.org for eligible > lists, tracker.debian.org or salsa, but does enable other lists > such as package team maintenance lists, to have a home in _the > short term_ > > Also it writes, > > > The service will be reviewed for viability and > > usefulness after one release cycle > > I'm not sure how the one release cycle is counted. > We have released buster since then. And we are close to bullseye now. > > Probably it's time to start thinking about this. True, but this is useless as a lintian check. Packaging teams need to decide what they are going to do and then migrate. There's nothing individual packages (or package maintainers) can do except decide to remove their package from team maintenance to 'fix' this issue. That's not what we want. In the Python Applications Packaging Team we've already had multiple package uploaded with the wrong address that have had to be fixed in new uploads. This test is not just pointless, it's actively harmful. Lintian checks need to be actionable by the package maintainer and this one is not. Scott K signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:44 PM gregor herrmann wrote: [...] > > Could this wiki page be more useful? > > https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/AliothMigration#Import_mailing_list > > Not really; the lists we are talking about _are_ migrated to > alioth-lists.debian.net which will continue to accept mail for > @lists.alioth.debian.org. > And like Andreas, I see no point in changing the mail addresses in > thousands of packages and various tools and parts of infrastructure. > So your expectation is alioth-lists.d.n will become a long term service. However I read the announcement[1] 2 years ago differently. [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2018/01/msg3.html > This is not intended to supercede the advice to make use of other services where appropriate, such as lists.debian.org for eligible lists, tracker.debian.org or salsa, but does enable other lists such as package team maintenance lists, to have a home in _the short term_ Also it writes, > The service will be reviewed for viability and usefulness after one release cycle I'm not sure how the one release cycle is counted. We have released buster since then. And we are close to bullseye now. Probably it's time to start thinking about this. -- Shengjing Zhu
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 19:16:08 +0800, Shengjing Zhu wrote: > > In my personal opinion, this lintian warning/info is not actionable, > > also the referred to wiki page at > > https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation doesn't say > > anything about not using @lists.alioth.debian.org or what to replace > > it with, and unless the maintainers of the replacement system tell us > > otherwise, I assume this will all keep working fine. > > Could this wiki page be more useful? > https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/AliothMigration#Import_mailing_list Not really; the lists we are talking about _are_ migrated to alioth-lists.debian.net which will continue to accept mail for @lists.alioth.debian.org. And like Andreas, I see no point in changing the mail addresses in thousands of packages and various tools and parts of infrastructure. This link and the whole check would be helpful only for not-migrated alioth lists which don't work anymore but I guess lintian has no chance to make this discrimination. Cheers, gregor -- .''`. https://info.comodo.priv.at -- Debian Developer https://www.debian.org : :' : OpenPGP fingerprint D1E1 316E 93A7 60A8 104D 85FA BB3A 6801 8649 AA06 `. `' Member VIBE!AT & SPI Inc. -- Supporter Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: Sinéad O'Connor: Jerusalem signature.asc Description: Digital Signature
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 11:46:47AM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:22:22 +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > Thank you, a lowered severity is of course better. > > > But to be honest, it doesn't change a lot if I'm seeing > > "W: $package source: mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure Debian > Perl Group " > > or > > "I: $package source: mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure Debian > Perl Group " > > each single time I build a perl package (ok, the colour is nicer :)). That's why I suggested "Pedantic" :-P I admit Pedantic is not on my normal radar - but Info is and I would also generate an lintian-override for it. > So personally, I'd rather see this lintian tag dropped completely. Also fine for me. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 5:47 PM gregor herrmann wrote: [...] > > In my personal opinion, this lintian warning/info is not actionable, > also the referred to wiki page at > https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation doesn't say > anything about not using @lists.alioth.debian.org or what to replace > it with, and unless the maintainers of the replacement system tell us > otherwise, I assume this will all keep working fine. > Could this wiki page be more useful? https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/AliothMigration#Import_mailing_list -- Shengjing Zhu
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 10:22:22 +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > Holger Levsen wrote: > > definitly, yes, filing this bug now. > As mentioned elsewhere, this was already fixed yesterday in fd8ee67d. Thank you, a lowered severity is of course better. But to be honest, it doesn't change a lot if I'm seeing "W: $package source: mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure Debian Perl Group " or "I: $package source: mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure Debian Perl Group " each single time I build a perl package (ok, the colour is nicer :)). In my personal opinion, this lintian warning/info is not actionable, also the referred to wiki page at https://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/MailingListContinuation doesn't say anything about not using @lists.alioth.debian.org or what to replace it with, and unless the maintainers of the replacement system tell us otherwise, I assume this will all keep working fine. So personally, I'd rather see this lintian tag dropped completely. Cheers, gregor -- .''`. https://info.comodo.priv.at -- Debian Developer https://www.debian.org : :' : OpenPGP fingerprint D1E1 316E 93A7 60A8 104D 85FA BB3A 6801 8649 AA06 `. `' Member VIBE!AT & SPI Inc. -- Supporter Free Software Foundation Europe `- NP: Alannah Myles signature.asc Description: Digital Signature
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
Hi Chris, thanks a lot for your work on lintian and beeing so speedy to act upon requests. :-) Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:22:22AM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > > definitly, yes, filing this bug now. > As mentioned elsewhere, this was already fixed yesterday in fd8ee67d. ah, cool! & thanks for the quick fix! -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
tags 958666 + pending thanks Holger Levsen wrote: > definitly, yes, filing this bug now. As mentioned elsewhere, this was already fixed yesterday in fd8ee67d. -- ,''`. : :' : Chris Lamb `. `'` la...@debian.org chris-lamb.co.uk `-
Bug#958666: lintian: please downgrade mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure warning
package: lintian version: 2.67.0 x-debbugs-cc: Debian Med Project List , Debian Developers , Debian Lintian Maintainers , reproducible-bui...@lists.alioth.debian.org On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 09:56:24AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > today I've seen the first time this new lintian warning: > >mailing-list-obsolete-in-debian-infrastructure Debian Med Packaging Team > > > I wonder whether we could this set from severity Warning to Pedandic. definitly, yes, filing this bug now. > The point is that this address works not only as maintainer but rather > as key in several infrastrutural use case like database queries etc. > The only reason that would convince me that a change is needed would be > that the redirect to alioth-lists.debian.net would not work any more at > some foreseable point of time. So please note: I would not mind about > automatically replacing that address with something non-obsolete since > we try to do some turnover of all (about 1000) Debian Med packages per > release. But once we start this change several tools will stop working > reliably. This is to much effort for something that looks cosmetical in > my eyes. So if you insist that this should be at severity warning I'll > probably rather add a lintian override automatically for all our > packages rather than automatically change the maintainer address. we also still use reproducible-bui...@lists.alioth.debian.org as our maintainer address for Reproducible Builds related packages and it's our advertised point of contact for Debian related Reproducible Builds stuff and we don't have any plan to change this any time soon. It's true that some @lists.alioth.debian.org stopped working but *many* have been migrated to alioth-lists.debian.net and continue to work as @lists.alioth.debian.org so this lintian warning creates tons of non-actionable and doubtful (not to say false-positive) warnings. Please change this and thank you for maintaining lintian! -- cheers, Holger --- holger@(debian|reproducible-builds|layer-acht).org PGP fingerprint: B8BF 5413 7B09 D35C F026 FE9D 091A B856 069A AA1C Dance like no one's watching. Encrypt like everyone is. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
