Bug#639778: conky requires packages outside main for compilation (was: Re: conky rejected from backports)
Hi! * Aron Xu a...@debian.org [2011-08-30 13:14:59 CEST]: Sorry, I am on vacation, but I can be online sometimes... I didn't see where is your bug report on BTS, I think it would be better to roll in ftp-masters to the discussions then, so they have a chance to explain why it was accepted, and why buildds enable contrib by default even if building main packages. Because ftp masters are only human too, and can make mistakes. Given that there is no log of the discussion that dererk had with the unnamed ftpmaster, this is very unfortunate, but mistakes happen. That doesn't mean that this it was rightfully granted, and the policy is crystal clear on this, like Vincent Bernat quoted already in bugreport 579102 in message #129, and like I quoted again with the opening of 639778. I don't see any need for bringing in any ftp master for explaining a clear statement from the policy that packages in main aren't allowed to build-depend on packages outside of main. Thanks, Rhonda -- Fühlst du dich mutlos, fass endlich Mut, los | Fühlst du dich hilflos, geh raus und hilf, los| Wir sind Helden Fühlst du dich machtlos, geh raus und mach, los | 23.55: Alles auf Anfang Fühlst du dich haltlos, such Halt und lass los| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#639778: conky requires packages outside main for compilation (was: Re: conky rejected from backports)
On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 19:45, Gerfried Fuchs rho...@debian.org wrote: Hi! * Aron Xu a...@debian.org [2011-08-30 13:14:59 CEST]: Sorry, I am on vacation, but I can be online sometimes... I didn't see where is your bug report on BTS, I think it would be better to roll in ftp-masters to the discussions then, so they have a chance to explain why it was accepted, and why buildds enable contrib by default even if building main packages. Because ftp masters are only human too, and can make mistakes. Given that there is no log of the discussion that dererk had with the unnamed ftpmaster, this is very unfortunate, but mistakes happen. Yes, I agree they are only human, but I think we need to know why they do this, if they are exactly wrong (according to the Policy, they are definitely wrong) we need to help them avoid similar problems in the future. That doesn't mean that this it was rightfully granted, and the policy is crystal clear on this, like Vincent Bernat quoted already in bugreport 579102 in message #129, and like I quoted again with the opening of 639778. I don't see any need for bringing in any ftp master for explaining a clear statement from the policy that packages in main aren't allowed to build-depend on packages outside of main. As commented above, we don't need them to interpret or explain Policy, but at least I myself want them to explain why they chose to accept packages like this, and why the buildds have contrib enabled by default for main packages. -- Regards, Aron Xu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#639778: conky requires packages outside main for compilation (was: Re: conky rejected from backports)
Hi again. * Aron Xu a...@debian.org [2011-08-30 13:51:26 CEST]: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 19:45, Gerfried Fuchs rho...@debian.org wrote: Because ftp masters are only human too, and can make mistakes. Given that there is no log of the discussion that dererk had with the unnamed ftpmaster, this is very unfortunate, but mistakes happen. Yes, I agree they are only human, but I think we need to know why they do this, if they are exactly wrong (according to the Policy, they are definitely wrong) we need to help them avoid similar problems in the future. If we would be able to explain why we do mistakes the world could be a much better place indeed! Unfortunately I fear that the ftpmasters aren't any better at explaining why they do mistakes than anyone else. As commented above, we don't need them to interpret or explain Policy, Thanks, so it's clear that conky has to return to contrib it seems. Thanks for the agreement on that grounds. but at least I myself want them to explain why they chose to accept packages like this, and why the buildds have contrib enabled by default for main packages. See above, explaining mistakes would solve much more than this issue for mankind. E.g. I don't ask for an explenation for why there is a Changed-By: foo...@debian.org entry in one of the conky upload changes files because it doesn't change anything. Sending them a notification though does help (and you can be assured that I discussed it with parts of the ftp team). And the buildds seem to have contrib enabled because there are some corner cases where contrib packages do not depend on non-free software (like in the case of conky) for compiling and thus can be automatically built. I think a seperation of this into different chroots might make sense, on the other hand, that's out of scope for this ticket and should be discussed with the buildd admins. The scope of this bugreport should be getting the policy violation fixed, not for general conceptual mistakes that happen in completely different areas, so please keep it related to the bugreport, or move further discussions along that lines to a more suiting place. My intention is to get conky in a releaseable shape again, which it currently because of this issue isn't. Thanks, Rhonda -- Fühlst du dich mutlos, fass endlich Mut, los | Fühlst du dich hilflos, geh raus und hilf, los| Wir sind Helden Fühlst du dich machtlos, geh raus und mach, los | 23.55: Alles auf Anfang Fühlst du dich haltlos, such Halt und lass los| -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-rc-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
