Re: Fwd: Please confirm your message
On 2002-12-03, Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please enlighten me, anyway: Why is bouncing the full body of the mail you received from a person who claims to be Adam back to Adam a good idea? This is an implementation issue, not a philosophical issue. This is correct. The system still needs to have the sender acknowledge that the message she sent is the one she is replying to, which requires at sending at least a little of the message back; pieces of which can be spam sent from a malicious user. TMDA source says so, too, in the comment to AUTORESPONSE_INCLUDE_SENDER_COPY. Since I only use TMDA I can't speak for others but TMDA has a CONFIRM_MAX_MESSAGE_SIZE configuration variable, which will exclude the body of the message from the confirmation request if its size exceeds the defined value. The default is 50k. Right, and in TMDA there is also MAX_AUTORESPONSES_PER_DAY, which only seems to consider messages per sender. I'm not quite convinced that such a setup can not be abused as a spam reflector, useless as it may be (it bounces the full headers), other than annoying a lot of people. (-: -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: Fwd: Please confirm your message
Today, Stephen Zander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan == Jan Niehusmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jan Time will tell. I fear that some day, the only way to use Jan email productively is to block all email with invalid sender Jan adresses. And I don't know a way do valdiate a (not yet Jan known) address but to try it and send a reply. If you Jan combine that with some autoresponders on both ends, no human Jan interaction would be needed, so annoyance should go down. The above is based on the false premise that those who send spam are incapable of sending it with (forged) real email addresses. They already have lots of them to choose from. Right. I just thought up a scheme to exploit this, based on the fake source-IP address approach you find in descriptions of ping-floods. a) Spammer finds an autoresponder b) Spammer sends many mails with Reply-To: header chosen from a know-to-work address list c) Reply-To:ed people receive the bounced mail and are annoyed. So, ones selfishness (by using such spam filtering approaches) can be used against the person running the filter. If the filter is configured so that it doesn't send the Received: lines, it actually acts as a pseudo-anonymysing relay. Thus, my conclusion: These things are evil. Don't use them or somebody might use them against you, eventually. -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! pgpnf2SZgjxqT.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: Please confirm your message
Today, Adam McKenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 11:49:09PM +0100, Andreas Fuchs wrote: Right. I just thought up a scheme to exploit this, based on the fake source-IP address approach you find in descriptions of ping-floods. Wow, you're pretty smart. Nobody has thought of this before, especially not the authors of said programs. *makes a mental note never to use the term I just thought up again* Please enlighten me, anyway: Why is bouncing the full body of the mail you received from a person who claims to be Adam back to Adam a good idea? -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs debian-devel's pretty smart person.
Re: gpg-agent?
On 2002-11-27, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would still let root replace /usr/bin/gpg with such a program though. So something like this is of some value, but only manages to narrow the window that lets someone who has temporary access to, say, a laptop with an agent running and a passphrase entered, to such a laptop on which you have used sudo in the last 15 minutes. Correct me if I'm wrong. I find it interesting that you point this out, because I was just wondering wether it would be possible to just open(2) the file /usr/bin/gpg and exec(2) this file via the file descriptor from this open(2) calland not the path name. Root, of course, could still replace the /usr/bin/gpg program and get away with it, but this seems to me to guarantee that the binary can not be stolen away under the unsuspecting user's noses. Have fun, -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! pgpmTiFkWRY6t.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: rfc1149
Today, Hilko Bengen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave droppings on my car. You mean packet loss? ITYM log entries as defined in RFC2549. -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia! pgp5hpx8ODo4p.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Developer Behavior
Today, Mark Mealman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) This situation does not stop a running machine from working, it will only stop it from booting. Oh, well, as long as THAT'S all it is... Heh, it's not like you're rebooting a Linux box more than one a year anyway Only applies if you use unstable on a production server (or a calculatron of similar designation), and You Shouldn't Do That, remember? (-; Next post is on topic. I promise. -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: jabber field on db.debian.org?
Today, Gerfried Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -) Or, during a short period (say, 2 months or so?) both fields could be there, and icq should really be dropped. Or, they could both be there (if space permits) with the ICQ field output as [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Talking about encouragement... (-: -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: Linux Gazette [Was: Re: big Packages.gz file]
On 2001-01-07, Goswin Brederlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: zhaoway 1) It prevent many more packages to come into Debian, for zhaoway example, Linux Gazette are now not present newest issues zhaoway in Debian. People occasionally got fucked up by packages Any reasons why the Linux gazette is not present anymore? And is there a virtual package for the Linux gazette that allays depends on the newest version? Another solution would be to have only an installer which installs the latest version of the LG from a server that keeps it. Keeps the Packages.gz file clean, and LG readers happy. Or am I missing something? -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: big Packages.gz file
On 2001-01-05, Brian May [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do large packages have to do with the size of the index file, Packages? They waste one byte per multiple of 10 bytes of package size. (-; Bad joke? So sue me. -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in
Today, Christian Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this is a feature that tail on FreeBSD has. If you start it with -F, it will tail you the current file like our tail -f. But if know the logfile will be rotated, it will notice this and reopen the new current one and tail this one. This is a feature that I really miss in GNU tail. Uh, is this what you mean? $ echo bar /tmp/foo $ tail -f /tmp/foo (sleep 1; echo baz /tmp/foo; sleep 1; echo qux /tmp/foo) bar[time passes] baz[time passes] == /tmp/foo: file truncated == qux $ fg ^C $ tail --version tail (GNU textutils) 2.0 -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: Grub question/problem
I copied the latest grub files to /boot/grub reinstalled and rebooted. but grub won't boot my machine. All I get is the message Loading stage1.5 and then the machine stands still. No error message whatsoever. Using lilo or a boot floppy as works well. Hm, have you tried running grub-install --recheck and then reinstalling grub? Alternatively, you could just edit /boot/grub/device.map. I don't know if this helps, but it has worked for me. Any help sppreciated. HTH. -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
wit goes here (was: Re: dueling banjos)
Today, Kim Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could you please mail me sheet music for dueling banjos And before you post a witty comment, please search through the list archives to make sure you don't duplicate effort. Let the jokes begin! -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in
On 2000-12-23, Matt Zimmerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes and no. It can daemonize a program, but will not restart it when it dies. It sounds like what you want is a simple shell script that would be daemonized by start-stop-daemon: /usr/sbin/myprogram.wrapper: However, I would say that if the program dies so frequently that it needs a wrapper like this, it should probably be fixed. tail -f of a logfile into a secured less. To search and scroll backwards, one must kill the tail, which then needs to be restarted. If less could be fixed such that it waits for both input streams with select(2), I think that problem could be solved. init does a good job of this; if there were an easy, error-proof way to add entries to inittab (i.e., without editing the file in your maintainer scripts), using init's 'respawn' mode might not be a bad idea. ACK. This does sound like a better solution than run. Trying this now. -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: What do you wish for in an package manager?
Today, Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously John Hasler wrote: Undo. dpkg will support rollback at some point, when reiserfs supports transactions. Even then, I imagine it to be difficult. What about installs that cross filesystem boundaries, etc. Either you'd have to have transactions on every fs then (and rollback each of them afterwards) or have a trans-filesystem transaction monitor, AFAIK. I'm afraid some serious non-trivial magicks are at work here. Wichert. -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: looking for replacement for run (because of critical bug in
On 2000-12-22, Erik Steffl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marc Haber wrote: Hi, I am maintainer for run and console-log, and waiting for NM to [...] To keep console-log, I need a program that can daemonize a normal program, i.e. put it in the background, maintain a pid file unter /var/run and optionally restart the program when it dies. what about that start-stop-daemon or something like that used to start and stop daemons and various services, check the /etc/init.d scripts what/how they use, I do not have debian handy at the moment but I think it might do what you want. start-stop-daemon won't work, because console-log (contrary to Marc's explanation needs a (nay, two) less process in the foreground to allow the user to watch log messages. I wonder if a sh script could do what Marc described... erik -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: finishing up the /usr/share/doc transition
On 2000-12-22, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: web/weblint net/zenirc Fixes for these two are in the BTS, in bug numbers #79747 and #79750, respectively. HTH, -- Andreas Fuchs, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cthulhu! Hail Eris! All hail Discordia!
Re: dualing banjos
Today, Miros/law `Jubal' Baran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 13.09.2000 pisze Rick Younie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Probably doesn't make any sense to many non-native English speakers or those from different cultures but it really is hilarious. It did make sense. ;- Yea, but only if you spell kernel wrong (-; Jubal, from different culture. AOL, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available
Today, Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been promising this for a while, but now it's happened: The latest version of isdn4k-utils has been packaged. Yippie! [...] deb http://www.murphy.nl/~paul/debian isdnutils/ After this, apt-get update; apt-get install ipppd isdnlog-data should install isdnutils, ipppd, isdnlog, and isdnlog-data. You should install any of the other packages that you need. Nope, doesn't. * ipppd is not there - 404 not found * isdnutils won't be fetched by apt-get if there is an isdnutils already installed I haven't tested the rest, like installing or configuring, but I will post my results as replies to this article (ooh, bad form! (-:). [nice features -- snip] Please let me know if you use this version, and keep me informed of ANYTHING, good or bad. I *do* mean anything, like spelling errors or a complete destruction of your /etc directory (I hope not :-) Ah, yes. Where? Here, on -devel, privately, as BTS bugs, on a secret and mystical mailing list? (-8* For the moment, I'll settle down with -devel. Enjoy, Paul Slootman Thanks, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available
Today, Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs wrote:
Today, Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
deb http://www.murphy.nl/~paul/debian isdnutils/
After this, apt-get update; apt-get install ipppd isdnlog-data
should install isdnutils, ipppd, isdnlog, and isdnlog-data.
You should install any of the other packages that you need.
Nope, doesn't.
* ipppd is not there - 404 not found
Bugger, I copied isdn*deb. I should have called it isdnpppd? :-/
No, calling it ipppd is the Right Thing. I just finished downloading
it now. Installing...
delay time=10min /
Ah, yes.
I was upgrading from the last version in unstable (too lazy to look
right now) setting it up worked fine. The first screen in the postinst
of isdnlog looks a little ... bogus to me. Why does it tell me it is
going to ask me things that are ignored later?
Dialing out works fine, my ISP's webserver is pingable, so it should
work later, too.
Calling isdnrep is not working well: it's looking for the zone files
in /usr/lib/isdn/zone, but they are in /usr/lib/isdn/:
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@0 Defaultnumber not set, did you configure
'mycountry'?
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@87 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-pta.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@326 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-pta.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@565 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-pta.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@804 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-pta.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@1045 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1001.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@1252 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1001.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@1459 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1001.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@1666 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1001.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@1873 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1001.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@2204 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-pta.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@2319 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1004.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@2351 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1004.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@2434 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1012.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@2598 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-pta.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@2806 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1012.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@3056 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-pta.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@3091 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1024.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@3176 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-pta.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@4209 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1001.dat': 'unknown'
/usr/lib/isdn/rate-at.dat:@4487 Zone V1.24: Error: gdbm_open
'/usr/lib/isdn/zone-at-1066.dat': 'unknown'
I haven't encountered any Big Evil Space Mutants, so I guess I will
try setting it up from scratch later, this evening perhaps.
* isdnutils won't be fetched by apt-get if there is an isdnutils
already installed
Bugger, I forgot the fscking epoch in the depends.
Heh. Downloading it per wget and putting it into apt's archives dir
worked fine for now. Later, you should fix it, of course (-:
Ah, yes. Where? Here, on -devel, privately, as BTS bugs, on a secret
and mystical mailing list? (-8*
I think if it isn't too much, -devel will be fine (at least it'll also
be archived then). If necessary I can set up a mailing list at murphy.nl.
Ok. -devel it is, then.
BTW: I'll be unavailable electronically this weekend (starting Friday
afternoon until Monday morning), so don't feel ignored if I don't reply
during that time.
Alright. I think I won't touch my computer then, either. They say it's
going to be a sunny weekend. Paintball! Paintball! {-:
Paul Slootman
regards,
--
Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and
SMTP,
antifuchsin IRCNet and
Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD
Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available
Today, I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calling isdnrep is not working well: it's looking for the zone files in /usr/lib/isdn/zone, but they are in /usr/lib/isdn/: Oh, silly me. I had configured isdnrep to look specifically there, in /etc/isdn/isdn.conf. Fixed this now, let's see if it works... tippety tip=tap / No. Misconfigured before and I am too lazy to tidy it up. Seems like I will configure-from-scratch it now (-: regards, me again, (-: -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available
(I already replied to this, but I figured that would be better style than replying to my own mails three times in a row.) Today, Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please let me know if you use this version, and keep me informed of ANYTHING, good or bad. I *do* mean anything, like spelling errors or a complete destruction of your /etc directory (I hope not :-) OK. I just set up the isdnutils from scratch. I had to fiddle with them a bit: ls -lid ipppd isdnutils isdnlog isdnlog-data 22500 drwxr-xr-x3 root root 1.0k Sep 7 18:05 ipppd/ 22523 drwxr-xr-x3 root root 1.0k Sep 7 18:05 isdnlog/ 22559 drwxr-xr-x2 root root 1.0k Sep 7 18:05 isdnlog-data/ 22449 drwxr-xr-x3 root root 1.0k Sep 7 18:05 isdnutils/ ls -l isdn*/examples/default ipppd/examples/default ipppd/examples/default: total 4.0k -rw-r--r--1 root root 316 Sep 6 12:07 auth-down -rw-r--r--1 root root 317 Sep 6 12:07 auth-up -rw-r--r--1 root root 1.7k Sep 6 12:07 ipppd.DEVICE.gz isdnlog/examples/default: total 5.0k -rw-r--r--1 root root 1.1k Sep 6 12:07 callerid.conf -rw-r--r--1 root root 857 Sep 6 12:07 isdn.conf -rw-r--r--1 root root 1.2k Sep 6 12:07 isdnlog.DEVICE isdnutils/examples/default: total 5.0k -rw-r--r--1 root root 4.3k Sep 6 12:07 device.DEVICE.gz You see, isdnconfig tries to copy from /usr/share/doc/isdnutils/examples/defaults/ipppd.DEVICE to /etc/isdn/ipppd.$device. Now, ipppd.DEVICE is named ipppd.DEVICE.gz (arghl, automatic gzipping in docs dir?). And it resides in /usr/share/doc/ipppd/...! So, would you mind making a symbolic link to the doc dir? Removing .../ipppd.DEVICE from the documentation list should work, also. regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD
Re: new experimental ISDNUTILS packages available
Today, Paul Slootman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu 07 Sep 2000, Andreas Fuchs wrote: Today, I [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Calling isdnrep is not working well: it's looking for the zone files in /usr/lib/isdn/zone, but they are in /usr/lib/isdn/: In /usr/share/isdn/ actually. Jep. Local configuration error (-: regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: alternatives for MUA and NUA?
Today, Hamish Moffatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do most mail readers have the same command line interface? Perhaps, but I really doubt that news readers do. Not even mail readers do, AFAIK. Console readers have the mail(1) interface to stick to, but if it comes to an x MUA... It would really be helpful if all NUAs and MUAs would understand mailto: and nntp:// URLs. And then, there is gnus. regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help on Debian Project - Need Me?
Today, Marcelo E Magallon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Fuchs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: None of them look DFSG-Free to me. Nonetheless, SMIL _is_ a nice tool to produce something multimedia-ish. Hopefully, somebody writes a DFSG-Free player in the near future -- but it won't be me, I don't need it (-: JFTR: http://www.swift-tools.com/Flash/ It's GPLed. Hey, that's great! But, on a second glance, the thing ships with a GPLed KDE thingy. Rats! But it was well worth the try. Anyone want to poke it with a 10-foot-pole (speak: ITP it)? (-; Marcelo regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Help on Debian Project - Need Me?
Today, Jacob Kuntz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does mozilla support SMILE? that's syncronized multimedia event language, a W3 consortium stanard that tries to do much of what flash is capable of. IIRC, only these programs officially support SMIL at the moment (http://www.w3c.org/AudioVideo/): Apple QuickTime 4.1 Compaq HPAS Helio Barbizon Microsoft Player Internet Explorer 5.5 Preview (supports selected modules of SMIL Boston draft) NIST S2M2 Player Oratrix Grins Productivity Works L p player RealNetworks Realplayer 7 None of them look DFSG-Free to me. Nonetheless, SMIL _is_ a nice tool to produce something multimedia-ish. Hopefully, somebody writes a DFSG-Free player in the near future -- but it won't be me, I don't need it (-: not that the debian site NEEDS flash, but that's another debate. ACK. regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Project Gutenberg
Today, Ralf Treinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote I was wondering that the work done by Project Gutenberg (http://sailor.gutenberg.org) should be made available through debian. This came already to discussion some months ago when someone proposed to package the constitution of Finland. Yes. The same point was made when anarchism was packaged. Gutenberg seems to be a nice argument when it comes to massive data that is not really debian-rele^W^W^W^W^W^W. (No, I will not go there, and I hope that you won't, either (-8) The point is that packaging all of the Gutenberg files would take huge disk space, and the added value of debian packaging would be quite small since downloading files from Gutenberg is very easy. A gutenberg index and retrieval program, OTOH... (mental note: must write this) Ralf. regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Potato now stable
Today, Jason Gunthorpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The user should see a list of groups (I will call them this because I think groupings can be more general than just tasks). The UI tool will allow sorting and searching of the groups and when browsing individual packages it will be possible to see what groups they are part of. The user can select that a group is of interest to them and mark it for 'installation'. Once done this means all packages currently in the group will be installed and all new packages added to the group in future will be installed. The UI tool will track when new packages are added to groups and present that information in conjunction with the traditional new packages display. A tree-like display can be used to show what packages are part of a group and allow individual selection. Since some groups are quite large it may make sense to categorize the packages lists into finer subgroups (primarily to help the user navitagate around, but they could be seperate at the top level too) that can all be individually selected for install. [Example: task-python-critical, task-python-web, task-python-gui] Hmm. I wonder if something like Keywords would help with that. For example, emacs fits into many a description, say Editor (understatement), Desktop and Development/IDE (sounds right to me). Now, returning to tasks, if the user chose to use his computer as a development environment, he could choose Emacs as his IDE. Also, this would speed up searching a lot. When, for example, I want to install a Tetris-like game, I could just search for the keyword Games/Tetris and get every tetris-like game in the distribution, and not only a substring match of some part of the description. This, of course, would require the maintainers to have some sort of discipline with the chosing of keywords for their packages, I think every part of the program should be mentioned to make grouping the packages and judging the package's value easier. I presume that with keywords, a tree-like display with groups and sub-groups could be done, but only where one can say this thing belongs down there, as with Development/IDE, or Games/Tetris. Tetris is a game, not a physics package, so it should be in the Games group. I think that many a thought will have to go into the right naming of the groups, and their sub-categories. Also, keep in mind that a package could be in many groups and sub-groups at once, and therefore should be mentioned more than once in the package managing UI. If the user opens the category expert editors, Emacs will show up, just as it does when the user opens the category IDEs in Development. This does not, in itself, solve the problem that ajt described. Therefore, I think that we should also assign a certain weight to a sub-category, as well as to a package in that category. This could then look like this: control pkg=emacs Keywords: Desktop(0), Editors/Expert(20), Development/IDE(15) /control Then, for every category and sub-category, there should be a package (or something else, I can't think of anything else in the moment), which has a control field Category: weight set, to make it a group and to assign a certain weight to the sub-category. Top-level-categories should have 0, I guess. The top-level categories would then be what is a task now, while the sub-categories would allow the user to refine his selection until he reaches the package level. Jason And we could let it have a telepathic user interface, and have it speed up the internet by 2000%, and have it end world hunger, and ... Anyway. regards, -- Andreas Stefan Fuchs in Real Life aka [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] in NNTP and SMTP, antifuchsin IRCNet and Relf Herbstfresser, Male 1/2 Elf Priest in ADD
