Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
Hi, FYI: FAQ is published automatically upon uploading the package using cron script which unpack deb package to www.debian.org pages. So I think we can simply drop by hand if we put short static file in package archive mirror containing something like: --- For help, please see: * https://www.debian.org/support * FAQ https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#faq * Debian Installation Guide https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#install * Debian Release Notes https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#relnotes --- > -Original Message- > From: Paul Wise > To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Cc: debian-...@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at > all > Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2022 07:54:47 +0800 > > On Mon, 2022-04-04 at 20:52 +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: > > > Maybe in a next upload of debian-faq, we could get rid of this by-hand > > stuff. > > Afaik it's only used to get the FAQ content published at > > https://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/ or http://deb.debian.org/debian/doc/ more specifically http://deb.debian.org/debian/doc/FAQ/ > I think it would be better to send a dak patch turning the manual > processing for debian-faq by-hand into automatic by-hand processing. > There are multiple examples of automatic by-hand processing in dak, > so it should not be very hard to do that. > > > Now that we no longer offer our mirrors via ftp FTP protocol access was used in automatic script but that has been updated to use HTTP protocol now. So missing FTP access is not issue. (This update was done long after announced FTP-shutdown. Somehow, it was working in the mean time. So FTP may had been available long after announcement for some mirror.) > The ftp protocol is irrelevant here, since the documentation is > available on the mirrors irrespective of what protocol is used to > contact them or if the mirror is an offline one available on disk. This is only true for web mirrors: www.debiun.org > > I guess most of the rationale for doing this is gone. > > I think the rationale remains the same; that the mirrors should have a > readable copy of some Debian documentation. If anything I would argue > that that documentation available there should be increased to also > include the Debian install guide and perhaps other documentation. > How about my simpler solution above?
Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
Hi, On Sun, 2022-04-03 at 13:18 +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > debian-faq is waiting in NEW queue for more than 4 months now (upload > is from 23.11.2021), with no visible activity from ftp-masters (and > even with no message at all!). > I pinged ftp-masters at the end of January, but got no reaction at > all. Sorry it took so long. The main problem here is that BYHAND packages are separate from NEW and `dak process-new` will not look at those packages by default. The automatic processing of the "byhand" files suggested in [1] is already implemented; it just needs manual attention when the package ends in BYHAND due to introducing additional binary packages. At least I missed the earlier ping; please feel free to inquire about packages stuck in by-hand a bit more/earlier. Ansgar [1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2022/04/msg00029.html
Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
Hi, Am 6. April 2022 06:40:54 MESZ schrieb "Joost van Baal-Ilić" : > >Luckily ftp-masters in the mean time did accept the faq upload. Thanks! Yes, That's great. Many thanks Now I can look into activating the new Portuguese translation on the website (which is one major point in this upload, and indeed the reason, why this had to go through NEW). Regards Holger -- Sent from /e/ OS on Fairphone3
Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
Hi, On Tue, Apr 05, 2022 at 07:54:47AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, 2022-04-04 at 20:52 +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: > > > Maybe in a next upload of debian-faq, we could get rid of this by-hand > > stuff. > > Afaik it's only used to get the FAQ content published at > > https://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/ > > I think it would be better to send a dak patch turning the manual > processing for debian-faq by-hand into automatic by-hand processing. > There are multiple examples of automatic by-hand processing in dak, > so it should not be very hard to do that. > > > Now that we no longer offer our mirrors via ftp > > The ftp protocol is irrelevant here, since the documentation is > available on the mirrors irrespective of what protocol is used to > contact them or if the mirror is an offline one available on disk. > > > I guess most of the rationale for doing this is gone. > > I think the rationale remains the same; that the mirrors should have a > readable copy of some Debian documentation. If anything I would argue > that that documentation available there should be increased to also > include the Debian install guide and perhaps other documentation. A, indeed, good point. And I agree with all other points (but unfortunately don't have time to write a dak patch). Luckily ftp-masters in the mean time did accept the faq upload. Thanks! Bye, Joost
Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
On Mon, 2022-04-04 at 20:52 +0200, Joost van Baal-Ilić wrote: > Maybe in a next upload of debian-faq, we could get rid of this by-hand stuff. > Afaik it's only used to get the FAQ content published at > https://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/ I think it would be better to send a dak patch turning the manual processing for debian-faq by-hand into automatic by-hand processing. There are multiple examples of automatic by-hand processing in dak, so it should not be very hard to do that. > Now that we no longer offer our mirrors via ftp The ftp protocol is irrelevant here, since the documentation is available on the mirrors irrespective of what protocol is used to contact them or if the mirror is an offline one available on disk. > I guess most of the rationale for doing this is gone. I think the rationale remains the same; that the mirrors should have a readable copy of some Debian documentation. If anything I would argue that that documentation available there should be increased to also include the Debian install guide and perhaps other documentation. -- bye, pabs https://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
Hi, Samuel Thibault schreef op maandag 4 april 2022: > the byhand queue is quite different from the new > queue, possibly there are very few ftpmaster who actually know how to > process it. Maybe in a next upload of debian-faq, we could get rid of this by-hand stuff. Afaik it's only used to get the FAQ content published at https://ftp.debian.org/debian/doc/ . Now that we no longer offer our mirrors via ftp, I guess most of the rationale for doing this is gone. Or am I overlooking something here? Bye, Joost
Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
Hello, Bo YU, le lun. 04 avril 2022 09:09:53 +0800, a ecrit: > On Sun, Apr 03, 2022 at 01:18:37PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: > > debian-faq is waiting in NEW queue for more than 4 months now (upload is > > from 23.11.2021), with no visible activity from ftp-masters (and even with > > no > > message at all!). > > I pinged ftp-masters at the end of January, but got no reaction at all. > If the mail list does not reply you, I think you can try it in IRC #debian-ftp > from oftc. Just as a reminder: the byhand queue is quite different from the new queue, possibly there are very few ftpmaster who actually know how to process it. Samuel
Re: debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
Hi, On Sun, Apr 03, 2022 at 01:18:37PM +0200, Holger Wansing wrote: Hi all, debian-faq is waiting in NEW queue for more than 4 months now (upload is from 23.11.2021), with no visible activity from ftp-masters (and even with no message at all!). I pinged ftp-masters at the end of January, but got no reaction at all. If the mail list does not reply you, I think you can try it in IRC #debian-ftp from oftc. BR, Bo Again my question, if there is something wrong with this upload or this package??? There have been countless NEW processings since then, but this (in my opinion) uncritical documentation-only package is still waiting. Any comments on this? If documentation is that unimportant, we could save a long of work and time, if we remove all documentation packages from the archive and the website!!! Holger (being extremly sad about all this) Holger Wansing wrote (Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:36:19 +0100): [Uploader in CC] Hi all, I would like to see the 11.0 version of debian-faq accepted to unstable. Are there any issues with this one? Being this purely a documentation-only package, I had naively thought, it's an easy case for going through NEW, but I might be wrong here? Thanks for all your work Holger -- Holger Wansing PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
debian-faq in NEW - or: remove documentation from the archive at all
Hi all, debian-faq is waiting in NEW queue for more than 4 months now (upload is from 23.11.2021), with no visible activity from ftp-masters (and even with no message at all!). I pinged ftp-masters at the end of January, but got no reaction at all. Again my question, if there is something wrong with this upload or this package??? There have been countless NEW processings since then, but this (in my opinion) uncritical documentation-only package is still waiting. Any comments on this? If documentation is that unimportant, we could save a long of work and time, if we remove all documentation packages from the archive and the website!!! Holger (being extremly sad about all this) Holger Wansing wrote (Sat, 29 Jan 2022 20:36:19 +0100): > [Uploader in CC] > > > Hi all, > > I would like to see the 11.0 version of debian-faq accepted to unstable. > > Are there any issues with this one? > > Being this purely a documentation-only package, I had naively thought, it's > an > easy case for going through NEW, but I might be wrong here? > > > Thanks for all your work > Holger -- Holger Wansing PGP-Fingerprint: 496A C6E8 1442 4B34 8508 3529 59F1 87CA 156E B076
