Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]

2008-07-05 Thread Daniel Baumann
Trent W. Buck wrote:
 Does Ubiquity support installing Debian?

yes.

 If not, is anyone working on it?

not that I'm aware of, and I also think it's useless.

From the Debian point of view, we should only have one installer
infrastructure. An implementation of that can be seen in the different
modes d-i has, a text modus and a graphical modus. Apart from the
graphical bling, all options, how it works and the look and feel of both
modes are identical. This is a great strength, since you only need to
support/test/document/$whatever one backend.

That's also why live-installer is made as a udeb to hook into d-i, and
not beeing a reinvention of the wheel, so that all the d-i framework is
used except the difference of not bootstrapping the system but unpacking
the squashfs.

For a future 'click-on-your-desktop'-installer, the same should be kept
in mind. For the text-mode installer, depending on what is better,
either doing kexec to launch d-i, or doing a loop-mount of the d-i
initrd, chroot into it, and  launch it there from a terminal window.

A year ago, the d-i graphical guy said, that the graphical d-i mode
could be easily recompiled to work as a standalone application (it needs
to be linked against gtk, rather than gtk directfb stuff in order to run
on ordinary X11). I've not heard anything new on that. Would be nice if
anyone has time to look into that though.

Regards,
Daniel

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Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]

2008-07-05 Thread Trent W. Buck
Daniel Baumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Trent W. Buck wrote:
 Does Ubiquity support installing Debian?

 yes.

 If not, is anyone working on it?

 not that I'm aware of, and I also think it's useless.

I agree.  Ubiquity doesn't support md RAID or LVM; and its Hardy version
has accessibility issues in its timezone widget.  And as you say:

 [...] we should only have one installer infrastructure. [d-i is
 interface-agnostic.]

Agreed, but my understanding was that *right now*, d-i doesn't have a
click-on-your-desktop mode.  I meant to imply in my previous post that
Ubiquity might be a short-term kludge (rather than a permanent solution)
to address the OP's needs until d-i is ready.

 A year ago, the d-i graphical guy said, that the graphical d-i mode
 could be easily recompiled to work as a standalone application (it
 needs to be linked against gtk, rather than gtk directfb stuff in
 order to run on ordinary X11). I've not heard anything new on
 that. Would be nice if anyone has time to look into that though.

Perhaps the OP should contact the d-i people directly and discuss
click-on-your-desktop support (including bounties) with them.


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Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]

2008-07-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
Marco Amadori [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Saturday 05 July 2008, 08:41:19, Trent W. Buck wrote:

   3. Ubuntu-style installer
This is where you boot into a graphical Debian Live system and run a
wizard-based program which installs and configures the live system,
all the time remaining inside the live graphical environment.
This is currently NOT possible with Debian Live.

 Does Ubiquity support installing Debian?
 If not, is anyone working on it?

 Nobody even tried to port it, but maybe it could work with some care.

 Evenmore, the planned way to handle installing from live running it was 
 chrooting into d-i filesystem and then go to install type 2. 

 And porting graphical gtk-directfb installer to gtk X.

I think we can avoid the recompile right now. I'll look into that.

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Re: [Fwd: DL Installer]

2008-07-05 Thread Otavio Salvador
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trent W. Buck) writes:

 A year ago, the d-i graphical guy said, that the graphical d-i mode
 could be easily recompiled to work as a standalone application (it
 needs to be linked against gtk, rather than gtk directfb stuff in
 order to run on ordinary X11). I've not heard anything new on
 that. Would be nice if anyone has time to look into that though.

 Perhaps the OP should contact the d-i people directly and discuss
 click-on-your-desktop support (including bounties) with them.

In three weeks I'll be starting a project that I'd like to use this,
so I'll probably work on that. I doubt it can enters Lenny but I'll
try to make it.

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