Re: Upgrades from Stretch to Bullseye and from Buster to Bookworm broken

2022-10-24 Thread Joost van Baal-Ilić
Hi,

Op Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 10:28:55AM +0200 schreef Moritz Muehlenhoff:
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 08:23:20PM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> > 
> > If skipping a release is not possible in an
> > upgrade, it makes using LTS kind of moot.

> It also doesn't make LTS releases moot, since it's they among
> other things they enable to deploy a setup to a baremetal server
> through the typical 4-5 years lifetime.

FWIW: My customers are happy I can do an upgrade from debian 9 to debian 11
(via 10) using just one changewindow.  Before we had LTS, I had to use 2
changewindows on 2 different days for that.

Bye,

Joost

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Re: Upgrades from Stretch to Bullseye and from Buster to Bookworm broken

2022-10-24 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 08:23:20PM -0700, Otto Kekäläinen wrote:
> Hello LTS team!
> 
> Users of Debian LTS are currently affected by a bug that prevents
> skipping Debian releases. If skipping a release is not possible in an
> upgrade, it makes using LTS kind of moot.

Skipping a release has never been supported, plenty of maintainer
scripts and lower level tooling only handle migration steps for
the subsequent release.

It also doesn't make LTS releases moot, since it's they among
other things they enable to deploy a setup to a baremetal server
through the typical 4-5 years lifetime.

Cheers,
Moritz



Re: Upgrades from Stretch to Bullseye and from Buster to Bookworm broken

2022-10-24 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 09:54 +0200, Anton Gladky wrote:

> thanks for the information. AFAIK skipping releases is not supported.
> You have to go through all releases step-by-step.

Thats correct, although some folks want Debian to not
drop things that help skip upgrades wherever possible.

https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/13087.html
https://diziet.dreamwidth.org/11840.html

-- 
bye,
pabs

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Re: Upgrades from Stretch to Bullseye and from Buster to Bookworm broken

2022-10-24 Thread Anton Gladky
Hi,

thanks for the information. AFAIK skipping releases is not supported.
You have to go through all releases step-by-step.

Regards

Anton



Am Mo., 24. Okt. 2022 um 05:42 Uhr schrieb Otto Kekäläinen :

> Hello LTS team!
>
> Users of Debian LTS are currently affected by a bug that prevents
> skipping Debian releases. If skipping a release is not possible in an
> upgrade, it makes using LTS kind of moot.
>
> For discoverability, I posted a summary and workaround steps at
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=993755#62
>
> I hope you find this useful.
>
>
> - Otto
>
>


Upgrades from Stretch to Bullseye and from Buster to Bookworm broken

2022-10-23 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
Hello LTS team!

Users of Debian LTS are currently affected by a bug that prevents
skipping Debian releases. If skipping a release is not possible in an
upgrade, it makes using LTS kind of moot.

For discoverability, I posted a summary and workaround steps at
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=993755#62

I hope you find this useful.


- Otto