Re: sauvegarde fichiers
Le Tue, 09 Dec 2014 00:50:02 +0100, JF Straeten a écrit : Mais si, il y a un moyen ! Sur le client, par le client : tu montes un share SMB comme tu faisais, tu déposes une sparse file dessus formatée sympathiquement, et tu la fait monter en loopback par le client... quelques explications pour mon cerveau bien embrumé me seraient utiles... Du point de vue du NAS, c'est juste un gros fichier, qu'il suffira de nommer de manière acceptable pour lui. un gros tar ? Du point de vue du client, c'est comme une partoche de backup ou tu fais ce que tu veux même de la sauvegarde avec rsync ou je ne transfère que le fichiers modifiés ? je suppose qu'un NAS de backup n'est pas supersonique... pas d'impératif de temps -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5486b009$0$2464$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: sauvegarde fichiers
Bonjour, Le mardi 09 décembre 2014 à 8:17, moi-meme a écrit : Le Tue, 09 Dec 2014 00:50:02 +0100, JF Straeten a écrit : Mais si, il y a un moyen ! Sur le client, par le client : tu montes un share SMB comme tu faisais, tu déposes une sparse file dessus formatée sympathiquement, et tu la fait monter en loopback par le client... quelques explications pour mon cerveau bien embrumé me seraient utiles... Du point de vue du NAS, c'est juste un gros fichier, qu'il suffira de nommer de manière acceptable pour lui. un gros tar ? Presque ;-) Un gros tar ne te permettra pas de profiter de la capacité de rsync à ne copier que ce qui a changé et tu devras le reconstruire intégralement à chaque fois. L'idée est plutôt de créer un gros fichier (à toi de déterminer la taille en fonction de tes besoins) et de le gérer comme s'il s'agissait d'une partition de disque dur. J'ai trouvé un tuto qui explique ça (en Anglais) : http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-create-a-filesystem-within-another-partitions-file/ Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209093509.ga13...@sebian.nob900.homeip.net
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Saturday 29 November 2014 21:39:32 Pascal Hambourg wrote: L'installateur Debian amd64 ou multiarch (i386+amd64) est amorçable en UEFI [1]. Si Windows démarre en mode UEFI et qu'on veut le garder et si on amorce l'installateur Debian en mode legacy, il installera le chargeur d'amorçage en mode legacy aussi, ce qui sera incompatible avec le chargeur UEFI de Windows. 1] Est-il possible d'installer Wheezy 32 bits en parallèle de Windows-8 ? (dualboot avec Grub2). Oui, c'est possible. Par contre l'installateur Debian devra être amorcé en mode BIOS (parfois désigné legacy ou CSM dans les firmwares UEFI, contrairement au mode UEFI natif) et installera grub-pc, qui ne peut pas amorcer un système en UEFI. Si l'installateur est amorcé en mode UEFI (64 bits sur PC), il ne permet d'installer que la version 64 bits. Si Windows 8 est amorcé en UEFI, alors pour pouvoir faire le dual-boot il faudra installer grub-efi-amd64, qui est capable d'amorcer un noyau 32 bits (pas grub-efi-ia32 qui ne marche qu'avec l'UEFI 32 bits qui n'existe à ma connaissance que sur certains Mac Intel, pas sur PC). Et probablement bidouiller un peu dans la partition système EFI ou les variables de boot UEFI pour que grub se charge en premier à la place de Windows. 2] Est-ce que le secteur d'amorçage GPT pose problème dans une installation dual boot Windows-8 / Debian ? A priori non. L'amorçage en mode UEFI natif n'utilise pas le secteur d'amorçage (MBR), grub-efi-amd64 s'installe dans la partition système EFI à côté du chargeur de Windows. Si l'amorçage est en mode BIOS, l'amorce de grub-pc sera installée de préférence dans le MBR à la place de celui de Windows et grub fera le chaînage comme d'habitude. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5486e5ef.8060...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: sauvegarde fichiers
Re, On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 10:35:09AM +0100, Sébastien NOBILI wrote: [...] quelques explications pour mon cerveau bien embrumé me seraient utiles... Du point de vue du NAS, c'est juste un gros fichier, qu'il suffira de nommer de manière acceptable pour lui. un gros tar ? Presque ;-) Un gros tar ne te permettra pas de profiter de la capacité de rsync à ne copier que ce qui a changé et tu devras le reconstruire intégralement à chaque fois. L'idée est plutôt de créer un gros fichier (à toi de déterminer la taille en fonction de tes besoins) et de le gérer comme s'il s'agissait d'une partition de disque dur. J'ai trouvé un tuto qui explique ça (en Anglais) : http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-create-a-filesystem-within-another-partitions-file/ C'est exactement cela, comme le dit Sébastien pour profiter de l'algo rsync qui est très efficace ! A+ -- JFS. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209123238.ga17...@jones.jfs.dt
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 13:07:11 Pascal Hambourg wrote: andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Saturday 29 November 2014 21:39:32 Pascal Hambourg wrote: L'installateur Debian amd64 ou multiarch (i386+amd64) est amorçable en UEFI [1]. Si Windows démarre en mode UEFI et qu'on veut le garder et si on amorce l'installateur Debian en mode legacy, il installera le chargeur d'amorçage en mode legacy aussi, ce qui sera incompatible avec le chargeur UEFI de Windows. 1] Est-il possible d'installer Wheezy 32 bits en parallèle de Windows-8 ? (dualboot avec Grub2). Oui, c'est possible. Par contre l'installateur Debian devra être amorcé en mode BIOS (parfois désigné legacy ou CSM dans les firmwares UEFI, contrairement au mode UEFI natif) et installera grub-pc, qui ne peut pas amorcer un système en UEFI. Si l'installateur est amorcé en mode UEFI (64 bits sur PC), il ne permet d'installer que la version 64 bits. Si Windows 8 est amorcé en UEFI, alors pour pouvoir faire le dual-boot il faudra installer grub-efi-amd64, qui est capable d'amorcer un noyau 32 bits (pas grub-efi-ia32 qui ne marche qu'avec l'UEFI 32 bits qui n'existe à ma connaissance que sur certains Mac Intel, pas sur PC). Et probablement bidouiller un peu dans la partition système EFI ou les variables de boot UEFI pour que grub se charge en premier à la place de Windows. 2] Est-ce que le secteur d'amorçage GPT pose problème dans une installation dual boot Windows-8 / Debian ? A priori non. L'amorçage en mode UEFI natif n'utilise pas le secteur d'amorçage (MBR), grub-efi-amd64 s'installe dans la partition système EFI à côté du chargeur de Windows. Si l'amorçage est en mode BIOS, l'amorce de grub-pc sera installée de préférence dans le MBR à la place de celui de Windows et grub fera le chaînage comme d'habitude. Merci beaucoup de ces précisions qui répondent bien à mes interrogations. Je peux entreprendre l'achat du netbook convoité :-) Une dernière demande : est-ce que l'écran tactile fonctionne bien sous Wheezy ? (des forums indiquent que Lubuntu est particulièrement apte aux écrans tactiles) Bon après midi. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412091357.29698.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : 1] Est-il possible d'installer Wheezy 32 bits en parallèle de Windows-8 ? (dualboot avec Grub2). Oui, c'est possible. [...] Merci beaucoup de ces précisions qui répondent bien à mes interrogations. Je peux entreprendre l'achat du netbook convoité :-) Attention : possible ne signifie pas que cela fonctionnera avec ce netboot. Par exemple avec le PC UEFI sur lequel j'ai testé le lancement d'un noyau 32 bits avec grub-efi-amd64 avant de te répondre, il n'y avait pas d'affichage avec une carte graphique Nvidia. Le module nouveau ne semblait pas se charger, alors qu'il se charge avec le même noyau en 64 bits. En revanche avec une carte graphique ATI l'affichage apparaît dès que le module radeon se charge, en 32 et 64 bits. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5486fe3e.1000...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: sauvegarde fichiers
Le Tue, 09 Dec 2014 10:40:02 +0100, Sébastien NOBILI a écrit : L'idée est plutôt de créer un gros fichier (à toi de déterminer la taille en fonction de tes besoins) et de le gérer comme s'il s'agissait d'une partition de disque dur. mais c'est donc ça ! J'avais lu un truc avec plein d'astuces pour la gestion du fichier/ partition. J'affute mes neurones sur le lien voir si c'est installable sur mon NAS. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5487129a$0$12760$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 14:50:54 Pascal Hambourg wrote: andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : Je peux entreprendre l'achat du netbook convoité :-) Attention : possible ne signifie pas que cela fonctionnera avec ce netboot. Par exemple avec le PC UEFI sur lequel j'ai testé le lancement d'un noyau 32 bits avec grub-efi-amd64 avant de te répondre, il n'y avait pas d'affichage avec une carte graphique Nvidia. Le module nouveau ne semblait pas se charger, alors qu'il se charge avec le même noyau en 64 bits. En revanche avec une carte graphique ATI l'affichage apparaît dès que le module radeon se charge, en 32 et 64 bits. Oui, il faut rester réaliste, la carte vidéo est une Intel HD Graphics, ça devrait aller quand même... :-) L'idéal serait de garder Windows8 (uniquement pour la garantie), d'installer Wheezy et sinon je m'adapterais. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412091941.43641.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
On 12/09/2014 07:41 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: L'idéal serait de garder Windows8 (uniquement pour la garantie) Bonjour Attention, risque que la garantie ne soit pas appliquée si on formate puis installe un autre OS que celui installé d'origine... A vérifier auprès du constructeur. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54874cbb.4000...@gmail.com
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
Le 09/12/2014 20:25, maderios a écrit : On 12/09/2014 07:41 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: L'idéal serait de garder Windows8 (uniquement pour la garantie) Bonjour Attention, risque que la garantie ne soit pas appliquée si on formate puis installe un autre OS que celui installé d'origine... A vérifier auprès du constructeur. Ça va être sympa ce genre de clause si MS passe Windows ebn paiement à l'abonnement comme il vient de laisser entendre... -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54874d39.2070...@rail.eu.org
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 20:25:47 maderios wrote: On 12/09/2014 07:41 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: L'idéal serait de garder Windows8 (uniquement pour la garantie) Attention, risque que la garantie ne soit pas appliquée si on formate puis installe un autre OS que celui installé d'origine... A vérifier auprès du constructeur : ou de la boutique, ou de l'assureur, je compte prendre une assurance casse complémentaire de 3 ans. La boutique est GrosBill ou Carrefour. C'est pourquoi je souhaite garder W8. On Tuesday 09 December 2014 20:27:53 Erwan David wrote: Ça va être sympa ce genre de clause si MS passe Windows ebn paiement à l'abonnement comme il vient de laisser entendre... Bloody M$ ! André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412092052.59274.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: sauvegarde fichiers
Le Tue, 09 Dec 2014 16:40:02 +0100, moi-meme a écrit : mais c'est donc ça ! J'avais lu un truc avec plein d'astuces pour la gestion du fichier/ partition. J'affute mes neurones sur le lien voir si c'est installable sur mon NAS. ça fonctionne très bien. j'ai généré la partition dans le fichier, je l'ai copiée sur le NAS. obligé de copier en root. Un chmod 777 du point de montage a corrigé le tir (pas très propre je sais mais c'est provisoire et unique). Si je comprends bien il faut faire un fichier/partition d'une taille supérieure à ce que l'on veut mettre dedans, donc avoir suffisamment de place en local. la commande dd passe sur le NAS (fs externe) donc pas obligé de faire une copie Suite à mauvaise manip j'ai fait un fichier/partition dans le fichier/ partition ... je transfère de l'un à l'autre sans problème. Ça l'air de tenir la route :-) Merci pour le tuyau que je vais noter bien vite sur mon log-book. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54875723$0$2337$426a7...@news.free.fr
Resolu : sauvegarde fichiers
Le Tue, 09 Dec 2014 13:40:01 +0100, JF Straeten a écrit : L'idée est plutôt de créer un gros fichier (à toi de déterminer la taille en fonction de tes besoins) et de le gérer comme s'il s'agissait d'une partition de disque dur. solution parfaite : je crée le fichier sur le NAS (dd), formattage, Montage en root : un chmod 777 me permet d'y accéder en user (pas propre mais provisoire et unique). Seule contrainte : il faut savoir la taille de ce que l'on veut mettre dedans (comme dans un fs normal). Mauvaise manip : j'ai fait un autre fs dans le fichier/partition : ça fonctionne : c'est du solide ! transfert de fichiers avec des noms tordus sans problème. ça doit marche sur un DD externe (pas testé). Merci pour l'astuce. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54875885$0$2337$426a7...@news.free.fr
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
On 12/09/2014 08:52 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: On Tuesday 09 December 2014 20:25:47 maderios wrote: On 12/09/2014 07:41 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: L'idéal serait de garder Windows8 (uniquement pour la garantie) Attention, risque que la garantie ne soit pas appliquée si on formate puis installe un autre OS que celui installé d'origine... A vérifier auprès du constructeur : ou de la boutique, ou de l'assureur, Surtout pas, le vendeur peut raconter ce qu'il veut pour vendre... Seul le constructeur a la bonne info. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54876630.8040...@gmail.com
Re: Resolu : sauvegarde fichiers
Re, On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 08:16:05PM +, moi-meme wrote: [...] Seule contrainte : il faut savoir la taille de ce que l'on veut mettre dedans (comme dans un fs normal). Vi, mais justement si tu crées bien une « sparse file », tu peux lui stipuler une taille exagérément grande, genre tout (ou presque) l'espace dispo sur le NAS, et elle n'occupera réellement que ce qui la remplit, en grandissant au fur et à mesure... Plusieurs outils le permettent, genre truncate ou dd, justement. Ça fait un truc du genre : dd if=/dev/zero of=/montage_nas/big-file.raw bs=1 count=0 seek=250G cd /montage_nas du -sh big-file.raw 0 big-file.raw du -sh --apparent-size big-file.raw 250.0G big-file.raw C'est peut-être déjà ça que tu fais ? Faut en tout cas éviter la big file bourrée de zéro qui occupe de l'espace inutilement... ça doit marche sur un DD externe (pas testé). Oui, ça doit. Merci pour l'astuce. Hé, hé, pas de quoi ; on en sera venu à bout qd même :-) A+ -- JFS. -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209211514.gc8...@jones.jfs.dt
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 22:14:24 maderios wrote: On 12/09/2014 08:52 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: On Tuesday 09 December 2014 20:25:47 maderios wrote: On 12/09/2014 07:41 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: L'idéal serait de garder Windows8 (uniquement pour la garantie) Attention, risque que la garantie ne soit pas appliquée si on formate puis installe un autre OS que celui installé d'origine... A vérifier auprès du constructeur : ou de la boutique, ou de l'assureur : Surtout pas, le vendeur peut raconter ce qu'il veut pour vendre... Seul le constructeur a la bonne info. Maderios Un portable acheté chez Conforama avec assurance-garantie complémentaire, tombé en panne, j'ai dû l'envoyer à un atelier qui n'était pas celui de la boutique de l'achat. Windows7 était présent mais avec Debian en dualboot. Garantie accepté par un chèque-avoir. La panne était qu'il ne démarrait plus du tout, empêchant (sans doute ?) le contrôle windozien du technicien... André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412092233.11747.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
maderios a écrit le 09/12/2014 22:14 : L'idéal serait de garder Windows8 (uniquement pour la garantie) Attention, risque que la garantie ne soit pas appliquée si on formate puis installe un autre OS que celui installé d'origine... A vérifier auprès du constructeur : ou de la boutique, ou de l'assureur, Surtout pas, le vendeur peut raconter ce qu'il veut pour vendre... Seul le constructeur a la bonne info. Bonjour, en tant que particulier de l'Union Européenne, le fait de mettre un GNU/linux à la place de Windows n'annule absolument pas la garantie de votre appareil. En fait il faut comprendre qu'il y a 2 garanties : - la garantie commerciale, optionnelle, offerte par le constructeur. Cette garantie peut offrir des prestations supplémentaires non prévues par la loi. C'est cette garantie que le constructeur peut éventuellement conditionner à l'usage de Windows. - la garantie légale européenne, de 2 ans (directive 1999/44/CE http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31999L0044:EN:NOT), obligatoire dan l'Union Européenne. Le constructeur ne peut pas se soustraire à cette garantie, et si jamais il marquait dans ses conditions que la garantie légale est annulée si on supprime Windows, cette clause serait illégale et donc nulle et non avenue. Ce serait au constructeur de prouver que c'est le fait d'avoir installé GNU/linux qui fait que la carte mère a grillé, ou qu'un port USB a cessé de fonctionner, ou que l'écran fait des siennes… Bon courage à lui ! Une explication claire sur le site de la FSF Europe : http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.fr.html. Ceci s'applique également dans le cas où on flasherait son téléphone, c'est l'exemple qui est donné par la FSFE. @André : tu peux donc virer ton Windows, tu pourras quand même bénéficier de la garantie. Par contre selon le constructeur il faudra peut-être montrer les dents. Si tu veux être plus tranquille, tu peux aussi prendre un disque dur externe de taille supérieure ou égale à celle du disque de ton portable et cloner le disque complet (avec dd, ddrescue ou clonezilla) pour être sûr de tout avoir (partitions de boot/UEFI, partition de restairation, partition système…). En cas de problème, si c'est possible tu remets l'image initiale sur ton disque dur avant de l'envoyer en garantie. A+ -- Chris
HS_Re: Installer Debian sur un PC sans DVD
On 12/09/2014 10:33 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Attention, risque que la garantie ne soit pas appliquée si on formate puis installe un autre OS que celui installé d'origine... A vérifier auprès du constructeur : ou de la boutique, ou de l'assureur : Surtout pas, le vendeur peut raconter ce qu'il veut pour vendre... Seul le constructeur a la bonne info. Maderios Un portable acheté chez Conforama avec assurance-garantie complémentaire, tombé en panne, j'ai dû l'envoyer à un atelier qui n'était pas celui de la boutique de l'achat. Windows7 était présent mais avec Debian en dualboot. Garantie accepté par un chèque-avoir. Quelle marque? Les conditions de la garantie varient suivant les constructeurs. Conditions suffisamment vagues pour être interprétées au détriment de l'acheteur. Exemple: ASUS ne sera pas responsable si, à réception, le produit s'avère fonctionner normalement ou si le défaut détecté s'avère être causé par une mauvaise utilisation, d'une négligence ou d'un mauvais entretien, d’une tentative de réparation ou de modification du produit, d'une mauvaise installation ou utilisation d'un logiciel tiers http://www.forum-des-portables-asus.fr/www/threads/conditions-g%C3%A9n%C3%A9rales-de-garantie-asus.6372/ -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5487fc31.1010...@gmail.com
[OT] Re: Ayuda con el llenado de una encuesta: Administración de servidores sobre canal oculto
El Mon, 08 Dec 2014 18:15:57 -0600, Gunnar Wolf escribió: ¡Hola compañeros debianeros! Te lo marco como OT. Para un trabajo que estoy desarrollando, me solicitaron que sustente ciertas decisiones de diseño en una encuesta aplicada a profesionales de la administración de sistemas. Les pido por favor, si les sobran diez minutos de tiempo (no debe llevarles más), responder esta encuesta: (...) Vale, luego le hecho un vistazo pero eso de canales ocultos me suena a arcanos y artes mágicas :-) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.09.14.18...@gmail.com
Re: Kernel RT y Kernel común? en Wheezy
El Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:26:40 -0300, martin ayos escribió: Es una pregunta un poco estúpida, por favor, no me aporreen. Tengo Debian Wheezy y quisiera saber si puedo mantener el Kernel y actual junto a un Kernel RT, de modo que puede bootear con uno u otro, según lo necesite. No he encontrado cómo hacerlo. Sí, claro. Añadir simplemente que puedes tener instalados los kernels que quieras, bien sean precompilados (p. ej., los paquetes .deb que hay en los repos de Debian) o bien sea compilando el kernel desde las fuentes con las opciones que quieras. Lo único que tienes que hacer es instalar ese paquete para que no reemplace el kernel actual y se añada como una opción más en el gestor de inicio. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.09.14.22...@gmail.com
Re: A Debian Jessie le debe de faltar muy poco para ser estable...
El Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:31:53 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: Hoy he actualizado Jessie, y entre varios paquetes de gnome y otros, se me ha actualizado base-files a la 8, y ahora cat /etc/debian_versión dice 8.0 y lsb_release -a edurios@debian:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Debian Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie) Release: 8.0 Codename: jessie Supongo que saldrá en febrero/marzo. Por cierto, ¿sería conveniente dejar /etc/apt/sources.list ya así?: (...) ¿Cómo ya? :-) Si siempre has querido mantener Jessie cuando salga podrías haber dejado jessie en el archivo sources.list y así te evitas problemas (el nombre en clave debe estar disponible desde que publican una nueva versión). Por cierto, van a jubilar el redirector cdn.debian.net¹ (apuntarán a otro servidor desde los DNS). ¹http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/200084 Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.09.14.35...@gmail.com
Re: Kernel RT y Kernel común? en Wheezy
El 9 de diciembre de 2014, 11:22, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Mon, 08 Dec 2014 17:26:40 -0300, martin ayos escribió: Es una pregunta un poco estúpida, por favor, no me aporreen. Tengo Debian Wheezy y quisiera saber si puedo mantener el Kernel y actual junto a un Kernel RT, de modo que puede bootear con uno u otro, según lo necesite. No he encontrado cómo hacerlo. Sí, claro. Añadir simplemente que puedes tener instalados los kernels que quieras, bien sean precompilados (p. ej., los paquetes .deb que hay en los repos de Debian) o bien sea compilando el kernel desde las fuentes con las opciones que quieras. Lo único que tienes que hacer es instalar ese paquete para que no reemplace el kernel actual y se añada como una opción más en el gestor de inicio. Saludos, -- Camaleón Gracias, Camaleón. Hice eso. Lo descargué desde Synaptic e hice upgrade-grub. Muchas gracias a todos. -- Martín Ayos === http://www.martinayos.nsmweb.com.ar http://www.ratakruel.nsmweb.com.ar === Linux User # 481475 ===
Re: Kernel RT y Kernel común? en Wheezy
El Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:34:14 -0300, martin ayos escribió: El 9 de diciembre de 2014, 11:22, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Lo único que tienes que hacer es instalar ese paquete para que no reemplace el kernel actual y se añada como una opción más en el gestor de inicio. Gracias, Camaleón. Hice eso. Lo descargué desde Synaptic e hice upgrade-grub. Muchas gracias a todos. Sólo un apunte: el update-grub no es necesario si instalas un kernel precompilado o preparado para Debian ya que la rutina se ejecuta automáticamente tras instalarlo. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.09.15.41...@gmail.com
Re: [OT] Re: Debian + Android + Kernel
El Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:13:32 -0600, Esteban Monge escribió: (...) Se necesita conocer mas sobre el telefono. Esta rooteado? Tiene un rom personalizado, lo actualizó a GingerBread? Y curiosamente quien ha originado el hilo no da señales de vida en el mismo ¿curioso, no? (...) Algo que he notado de esta lista (nosotros) es que no sabemos responder las preguntas que nos hacen... ella pregunta como compilar el módulo Sí y no. Lo que quería era *clonar* un repositorio git pero le daba error. y la gente le responde como no hacerlo... que instale, que use otro rom... etc. Lo interesante de esta solicitud es que es muy puntal... y en esta lista siempre le pedimos a la gente que haga eso... y cuando lo hacen le ponemos soluciones no puntuales... joder. Bueno, no sería la primera vez que alguien pregunta algo que nada tiene que ver con lo que busca realmente así que tener otras alternativas nunca está de más. Ya le dije que siguiera las instrucciones del repo que quería clonar pero desconocemos si ha hecho algo ni con qué resultado. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.09.15.50...@gmail.com
Re: Kernel RT y Kernel común? en Wheezy
El 9 de diciembre de 2014, 12:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Tue, 09 Dec 2014 12:34:14 -0300, martin ayos escribió: El 9 de diciembre de 2014, 11:22, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Lo único que tienes que hacer es instalar ese paquete para que no reemplace el kernel actual y se añada como una opción más en el gestor de inicio. Gracias, Camaleón. Hice eso. Lo descargué desde Synaptic e hice upgrade-grub. Muchas gracias a todos. Sólo un apunte: el update-grub no es necesario si instalas un kernel precompilado o preparado para Debian ya que la rutina se ejecuta automáticamente tras instalarlo. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- ¡No lo sabía! Muchas gracias. Siempre se sigue aprendiendo. -- Martín Ayos === http://www.martinayos.nsmweb.com.ar http://www.ratakruel.nsmweb.com.ar === Linux User # 481475 ===
devuan
buenas tardes comunidad el siguiente hilo es nada mas para saber y discutir quienes han considerado devuan? Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CADfsJo1Q7q1SE9yE=c2r+aquzyn_dtdv3974nftgeaskke-...@mail.gmail.com
[OT] Re: Ayuda con el llenado de una encuesta: Administración de servidores sobre canal oculto
¡Hola compañeros debianeros! Te lo marco como OT. Acepto la precisión y agacho la cabeza con humildad ;-) Para un trabajo que estoy desarrollando, me solicitaron que sustente ciertas decisiones de diseño en una encuesta aplicada a profesionales de la administración de sistemas. Les pido por favor, si les sobran diez minutos de tiempo (no debe llevarles más), responder esta encuesta: (...) Vale, luego le hecho un vistazo pero eso de canales ocultos me suena a arcanos y artes mágicas :-) De cierto modo. No tengo aún los resultados (obviamente), pero es para un trabajo que estoy desarrollando acerca de los canales de comunicación que no hacen obvio que estás efectuando acciones administrativas — piensa en algo tipo administración de sistemas esteganografiada ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209163545.ga120...@gwolf.org
Re: [OT] Re: Ayuda con el llenado de una encuesta: Administración de servidores sobre canal oculto
El Tue, 09 Dec 2014 10:35:45 -0600, Gunnar Wolf escribió: (...) Vale, luego le hecho un vistazo pero eso de canales ocultos me suena a arcanos y artes mágicas :-) De cierto modo. No tengo aún los resultados (obviamente), pero es para un trabajo que estoy desarrollando acerca de los canales de comunicación que no hacen obvio que estás efectuando acciones administrativas — piensa en algo tipo administración de sistemas esteganografiada ;-) Sí, lo entiendo. Lo que pasa es que eso de ocultarse cual ninja nunca me ha terminado de convencer y no por nada sino porque al final siempre se puede saber si hay alguien/algo detrás, sea un canal de comunicación, un volumen de datos cifrado o una imagen con información. Por cierto, ya finalicé la encuesta, se hace muy rápido y es amena. Tirón de orejas porque el significado de la escala de valores (1-5) desparece tras la primera página y no recordaba si era 1 → menos 5 → más. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.12.09.16.49...@gmail.com
Re: A Debian Jessie le debe de faltar muy poco para ser estable...
El 09/12/14 a las 15:35, Camaleón escribió: El Mon, 08 Dec 2014 22:31:53 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: Hoy he actualizado Jessie, y entre varios paquetes de gnome y otros, se me ha actualizado base-files a la 8, y ahora cat /etc/debian_versión dice 8.0 y lsb_release -a edurios@debian:~$ lsb_release -a No LSB modules are available. Distributor ID: Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.0 (jessie) Release:8.0 Codename: jessie Supongo que saldrá en febrero/marzo. Por cierto, ¿sería conveniente dejar /etc/apt/sources.list ya así?: (...) ¿Cómo ya? :-) Si siempre has querido mantener Jessie cuando salga podrías haber dejado jessie en el archivo sources.list y así te evitas problemas (el nombre en clave debe estar disponible desde que publican una nueva versión). Si, bueno... quería decir que si ya había que cambiar la rama testing por jessie en el sources.list para que solo se actualicen los paquetes de jessie y dejar testing para más adelante, cuando ya esté más avanzada la nueva sustituta de jessie. Para evitar que se me rompa demasiado el sistema... Pero bueno, hoy en día, con clonezilla y sus imágenes, me puedo permitir el lujo de estar en testing, si se destroza y no se arreglarlo, tiro de imagen de restauración y listo. Por cierto, van a jubilar el redirector cdn.debian.net¹ (apuntarán a otro servidor desde los DNS). ¹http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/200084 No me había enterado. Leyendo el hilo, parece que van a apuntar a http.debian.net, pero no tengo claro cuando hay que hacer el cambio... ya que en la Web de Debian Mozilla team, para Jessie aún indican cdn.debian.net -- www.LinuxCounter.net Registered user #558467 has 2 linux machines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m67eih$m9j$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: devuan
El 09/12/2014 13:15, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: buenas tardes comunidad el siguiente hilo es nada mas para saber y discutir quienes han considerado devuan? Edward Villarroel: @Agentedd Yo estoy pendiente de los avances, al menos probar en un virtual cuando cobre vida, luego veré.
Re: A start job is running for create volatile files
El sáb, 06-12-2014 a las 12:44 +0100, Fernando Ferraro Cattino escribió: Buenos dias, alguien podria darme alguna sugerencia de donde buscar o como resolver el problema que tengo en testing. He leido que es por systemd, pero no entiendo que pasa. El ordenador lleva configurado desde hace mas de 1 mes. Actualizo, apago y cuando enciendo al otro dia ...A start job is running for create volatile files ... Lo he dejado horas y nada Intento arrancar en recovery mode y sigue igual No puedo acceder a la consola Con gparted-live borre la swap y la cree en la particion primaria (segun lei en algunos mensajes) Ahora tengo 2 mensajes de A start job El primero se resuelve despues de 1 minuto y dice : Dependency failed for Swap Pero el segundo queda como antes, infinitamente... Gracias por la atencion Fernando me pasó hace relativamente poco: https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-spanish/2014/10/msg00588.html y derivó en quejas sobre systemd. Total que al día siguiente se arregló automágicamente -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1418159224.27537.8.ca...@gmail.com
Re: Lokala daemons
2014-12-08 13:37 GMT+01:00 Tobias Carlsson janerlingtob...@gmail.com: Hej! Hur gör ni när ni vill köra ett program som ett lokal tjänst (daemon) och få denna tjänst att starta varje gång datorn startar om? Det finns lite olika alternativ som jag tänkte testa, men vill samtidigt kolla här om jag kan få några tips. En guide tipsade om att göra en användare som ej går att logga in med, placera programmet på lämplig plats, göra en symbolisk länk till startskriptet och placera i /etc/init.d/länknamnet, sedan köra update-rc.d länknamnet defaults Så gör jag och det är väl så som också rekommenderas. Debians daemoner fungerar på detta sätt. I nuläget kör jag programmet genom screen på en för just detta program dedikerad användare. Det går väl men är det inte ganska bökigt tycker du? Vad tycker ni? Finns paketet i Debian, installera och kör därifrån. Annars gör som du skriver ovan med separat (system)användare och init-skript. Vad är det för program? Om det är publikt åtkomligt via internet ställer det ju en del krav på säkerhet. -- Per Mvh Tobias Carlsson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CABYrXSTk=3RyaS=uxgnfszou+3pegt0owtabmrkvh4tdq2k...@mail.gmail.com
Fwd: Lokala daemons
Den 9 december 2014 21:44 skrev Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com: 2014-12-08 13:37 GMT+01:00 Tobias Carlsson janerlingtob...@gmail.com: Hej! Hur gör ni när ni vill köra ett program som ett lokal tjänst (daemon) och få denna tjänst att starta varje gång datorn startar om? Det finns lite olika alternativ som jag tänkte testa, men vill samtidigt kolla här om jag kan få några tips. En guide tipsade om att göra en användare som ej går att logga in med, placera programmet på lämplig plats, göra en symbolisk länk till startskriptet och placera i /etc/init.d/länknamnet, sedan köra update-rc.d länknamnet defaults Så gör jag och det är väl så som också rekommenderas. Debians daemoner fungerar på detta sätt. I nuläget kör jag programmet genom screen på en för just detta program dedikerad användare. Det går väl men är det inte ganska bökigt tycker du? Vad tycker ni? Finns paketet i Debian, installera och kör därifrån. Annars gör som du skriver ovan med separat (system)användare och init-skript. Vad är det för program? Om det är publikt åtkomligt via internet ställer det ju en del krav på säkerhet. -- Per Mvh Tobias Carlsson Hej! Tack för ditt svar. Jo, det är rätt bökigt, men det är inte ofta jag startar om servern, så det har gått rätt bra. Det är en VOIP-tjänst som heter Teamspeak 3, så det är en onlinetjänst jag tillhandahåller åt mina vänner. Jag har inte tänkt så mycket på säkerheten i just det här fallet, förutom att jag kör den som en vanlig användare som inte används till något annat. Men tanken på att köra den som en lokal daemon istället känns bättre också ur säkerhetssynpunkt. Mvh Tobias
Re: Lokala daemons
2014-12-09 22:20 GMT+01:00 Tobias Carlsson janerlingtob...@gmail.com: (...) Det är en VOIP-tjänst som heter Teamspeak 3, så det är en onlinetjänst jag tillhandahåller åt mina vänner. Det fria alternativet Mumble är ju populärt. Har ni testat det? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mumble https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mumble-server -- Per -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-swedish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cabyrxsrcr-hux7r8a20jsuuu92hzu05o1obej8ggp2ncztn...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Lokala daemons
Den 9 december 2014 22:23 skrev Per Andersson avtob...@gmail.com: 2014-12-09 22:20 GMT+01:00 Tobias Carlsson janerlingtob...@gmail.com: (...) Det är en VOIP-tjänst som heter Teamspeak 3, så det är en onlinetjänst jag tillhandahåller åt mina vänner. Det fria alternativet Mumble är ju populärt. Har ni testat det? https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mumble https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/mumble-server -- Per Vi har kört både Ventrilo och Mumble genom åren, men sen bara blev det Teamspeak av någon anledning, vi är rätt inkörda på det. Men tack för tipset! Mvh Tobias
Configuração 3 monitores 2 placas de vídeo.
Boa tarde, Estou tentando configurar um ambiente com 3 monitores e 2 placas de vídeo. Utilizo: *Debian JessieGnome 3gdm 3* Meu hardware e sua instalação: 1 *Samsung SyncMaster 932B* Plus ligado à placa *Intel* Onboard pela saída VGA 1 *AOC LW98* e 1 *Samsung SyncMaster 940B* ligado à *GeForce GTX 460* PCI Express por suas duas saídas DVI Ativei na BIOS a opção* iGPU + PEG (Dual)*. A única que permite que o lspci enxergue a placa onboard e a offboard simultanemente. A saída do lspci é a seguinte: *lspci | grep -i vga00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12)01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF104 [GeForce GTX 460] (rev a1*) Drivers do X instalados. xserver-xorg1:7.7+7 xserver-xorg-video-nvidia 340.46-6 xserver-xorg-video-intel2:2.21.15-2+b2 Instalei o driver proprietário da nvidia e configurei o xorg.conf com 2 devices, 3 screens, 3 monitors e 1 serverlayout. O xorg.conf vai colado no fim do e-mail. A máquina inicia com vídeo apenas no monitor ligado à porta on board (Intel). Quando o GDM é iniciado, os 3 monitores ficam ativos na configuração estabelecida no ServerLayout, no entanto, só os monitores ligados à GeForce exibem o conteúdo do GDM (tela de login). O terceiro monitor (ligado à placa da Intel) fica ativo, com um pequeno traço no canto superior esquerdo. Eu consigo ir com o ponteiro do Mouse para os três monitores. Quando logo no Gnome, a mesma situação aparece. Consigo utilizar o gerenciador de janelas nos dois monitores da GeForce, mas só consigo ir com o ponteiro do Mouse para o da Intel. Ativando a opção Xinerama no ServerLayout para 1, faz com que o X não levante. E a MultiGPU On da primeira Screen não possui nenhum efeito, ela é desligada quando eu olho a configuação pelo nvidia-settings. Parece ser um problema com o Gerenciador de Janelas administrando mais de uma Screen com devices diferentes. Outro problema que não acontece quando a placa da Intel está desativada e acontece nesse modo é que meu Gnome toda vez que me aproximo de uma borda de telas da esquerda para direita ele ativa o modo em que vejo todas as janelas e todos os meus Workspaces. O que atrapalha bastante. E o Cairo Dock, que normalmente fica invisível, quando passo por cima da área que era para fazer ele aparecer (parte de baixo do monitor do meio), aparece também uma barra embaixo com o símbolo do meu dropbox e um botão para configuração de notificações. Os monitores da Nvidia aparecem no mesmo WorkSpace. Gostaria de ter os 3 monitores funcionando da forma que eu trabalho apenas com 2 da mesma placa. Sem esses problemas das bordas e podendo mover janelas entre os monitors. Desde já agradeço à atenção. Section ServerLayout Identifier Layout0 Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 Screen 1 Screen1 LeftOf Screen0 Screen 2 Screen2 RightOf Screen0 InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard #Option Xinerama 1 EndSection Section Files ModulePath /usr/lib/xorg/modules FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1 FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi FontPath /usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi FontPath built-ins EndSection Section Module Load glx EndSection Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver kbd EndSection Section InputDevice # generated from default Identifier Mouse0 Driver mouse Option Protocol auto Option Device /dev/psaux Option Emulate3Buttons no Option ZAxisMapping 4 5 EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor0 VendorName Monitor Vendor ModelName AOC LW98 HorizSync 30.0 - 82.0 VertRefresh 56.0 - 76.0 Option DPMS EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor1 VendorName Samsung ModelNameSamsung SyncMaster 940B HorizSync 28.0 - 33.0 VertRefresh 43.0 - 72.0 Option DPMS EndSection Section Monitor Identifier Monitor2 VendorName Samsung ModelNameSamsung SyncMaster 932B Option DPMS EndSection Section Device Identifier Card0 Driver nvidia VendorName NVIDIA Corporation BoardName GeForce GTX 460 BusID PCI:1:0:0 EndSection Section Device Identifier Card1 Driver intel BusID PCI:0:2:0 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Card0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth24 Option Stereo 0 Option nvidiaXineramaInfoOrder DFP-0 Option
Re: Configuração 3 monitores 2 placas de vídeo.
On 09-12-2014 15:58, Paulo Roberto Vieira Brandão wrote: Boa tarde, Estou tentando configurar um ambiente com 3 monitores e 2 placas de vídeo. Utilizo: *Debian Jessie Gnome 3 gdm 3* Meu hardware e sua instalação: 1 /Samsung SyncMaster 932B/ Plus ligado à placa /Intel/ Onboard pela saída VGA 1 /AOC LW98/ e 1 /Samsung SyncMaster 940B/ ligado à /GeForce GTX 460/ PCI Express por suas duas saídas DVI Ativei na BIOS a opção/iGPU + PEG (Dual)/. A única que permite que o lspci enxergue a placa onboard e a offboard simultanemente. A saída do lspci é a seguinte: / lspci | grep -i vga 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GF104 [GeForce GTX 460] (rev a1/) Paulo Roberto Olá! Só uma suspeita... Tente colocar no xorg.conf apenas a placa on-board, se não subir, provavelmente a BIOS não está reservando memória para ela. Nesse caso tente ver set tem opção na BIOS para iniciar pela placa on-board. Caso ela suba sozinha e acompanhada não, envie também o Xorg.0.log para que possamos analisar melhor o caso. -- []'s Junior Polegato
Re: [OFF-TOPIC] GVT de 35MB
Se descobrir como atualizar este firmware customizado da GVT me avise por favor *Thiago Oliveira* Graduando em Segurança da Informação - FATEC São Caetano do Sul Analista de Suporte e Segurança em Linux Certificado LPI I LPIID LPI000292736 Em 3 de dezembro de 2014 19:34, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br escreveu: Opa, Obrigado amigo! Foi de grande ajuda. De todas as repostas que recebi, a sua foi a mais solícita. Vou pesquisar agora se tem como quebrar esse firmware e fazer alterações. Desde já muito obrigado. Atenciosamente, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br Skype: magnata-br-rj Linux User: 475399 http://www.aprendendolinux.com/ http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/ http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/ __ Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux http://listas.aprendendolinux.com Ou envie um e-mail para: aprendendolinux-subscr...@listas.aprendendolinux.com Mensagem original Assunto: Re: [OFF-TOPIC] GVT de 35MB De: Jacques Teixeira jacquesteixe...@gmail.com Para: Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br Data: 03/12/2014 14:55 tudo bem Henrique, segue modelo do modem que a gvt usa de 35 mega aqui, cara as portas a principio não são bloqueadas, mas tem muita coisa que tu não consegue mexer , por exemplo, tu não altera o ip da rede local , fica no 192.168.25.1, ridículo, mas e isso, também não consegue desabilitar o dhcp , se tu tem outro dhcp server na tua rede, tu vai ter que bloquear o dhcp da gvt por regra de firewall, e deixar habilitado distribuindo um ip só, foi a solução que encontrei aqui, e só não achei nada de dmz nele , Segue um print da pagina inicial dele para você pesquisar pelo modelo. Imagem inline 1 Att Jacques Teixeira Em 2 de dezembro de 2014 21:53, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br mailto:henri...@linuxadmin.com.br escreveu: Colegas, Alguém do grupo possui GVT da velocidade de 35MB? Se sim, qual o modem que eles costumam enviar? Outra dúvida: Eles costuma bloquear portas baixas, do tipo: 80, 21, 22 e etc? Estou migrando de velocidade, passando para 35Megas e preciso de um modem que possua recursos avançados, do tipo que deixe eu mudar a range de IPs, desativar o DHCP e que faça uma DMZ para o IP do servidor. E também preciso que essas portas mencionadas estejam abertas. Atualmente tenho GVT de 15MB, com um modem SAGEMCOM que tem todos esses recursos e o link não tem nenhuma porta bloqueada. No aguardo de informações. Atenciosamente, Henrique Fagundes henri...@linuxadmin.com.br mailto:henri...@linuxadmin.com.br Skype: magnata-br-rj Linux User: 475399 http://www.aprendendolinux.__com/ http://www.aprendendolinux.com/ http://www.facebook.com/__PortalAprendendoLinux http://www.facebook.com/PortalAprendendoLinux http://youtube.com/__aprendendolinux/ http://youtube.com/aprendendolinux/ http://twitter.com/__aprendendolinux/ http://twitter.com/aprendendolinux/ __ Participe do Grupo Aprendendo Linux http://listas.aprendendolinux.__com http://listas. aprendendolinux.com Ou envie um e-mail para: aprendendolinux-subscribe@__listas.aprendendolinux.com mailto:aprendendolinux-subscr...@listas.aprendendolinux.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-__requ...@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org mailto:listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/__547e50de.80...@linuxadmin.com.__br https://lists.debian.org/547e50de.80...@linuxadmin.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-portuguese-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/547f81ce.4050...@linuxadmin.com.br
Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On 2014-12-08, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: When I was at school we had a rhyme which went: Caeser adsum iam forte Pompey aderat; Caeser sic in omnibus Pompey sic in at. Canis Latinicus. ;-) I spoke fluent Porcus Latinicus as a child by the way, not to flatter myself or anything. Lisi Curt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm8dctd.21t.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: user permission inconsistency
Ok, I made a big mess in the email: I edited the text (manually) to change alex to user. Shame on me. running the id command without any parameters should show you the group memberships of your shell. I *suspect* this is somehow related to systemd-logind (while systemd is not running as pid 1) I just added user to group dialout (and astonished not to have to logout in order to have updated user groups list) Well - if you run id username, this will update immediately. But what matters is the group memberships of your *shell* - which it will get at login-time... You're perfectly right. Thank you. A. Hope this helps -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5486b7d0.1060...@mellonta.net
Debian 6 with Sudden GTK application crash @ libGDK
Very recently, we migrated from DEBIAN 5(Lenny) to DEBAIN 6(Squeeze).
Since, our application is based on GTK 2.0 we thought migrating from GTK
app is pretty easy.
So, as a first step we compiled our application and ran some regressions
on the system.
Suddenly, we noticed application getting crash @
**libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2000.1**. This leaded system to crash at
unexpected state.
core sample info:
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
#0 0xb708bb0c in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
(gdb) bt
#0 0xb708bb0c in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
#1 0xb708bbb1 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
#2 0xb7091797 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0
#3 0xb6e87381 in ?? () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#4 0xb6e89305 in g_main_context_dispatch () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#5 0xb6e8cfe8 in ?? () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#6 0xb6e8d527 in g_main_loop_run () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#7 0xb7224e19 in gtk_main () from /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
#8 0x0813e25e in main_callback (data=0x0) at src/dispimage.c:59
#9 0xb6eb36cf in ?? () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
#10 0xb7894955 in start_thread (arg=0xb27ffb70) at pthread_create.c:300
#11 0xb6c94e7e in clone () at
../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/clone.S:130
From the received **CORE** ,we were not able to conclude what is
causing the exact issue.
So, to fix this issue we ran various trials on the system and found that
when DEBIAN 5(lenny's) LIBGDK-X11( **libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.11
** ) and LIBGTK-X11 ( **libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.11** ) is used, the
system does not crash.
However, when we run the system with mention configuration, we notice
that **XORG** memory is increasing gradually and reaches to **SWAP** in
hours of time.
DEBAIN 6 in with SQUEEZE's default repository GTK and GDK
(libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.2000.1):
MEMMORY Info:
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND
1520 root 19 -1 37504 27m 3676 S6 5.6 3:11.65 Xorg
1520 root 19 -1 37504 27m 3676 S3 5.6 3:12.69 Xorg
1520 root 19 -1 37504 27m 3676 S4 5.6 3:15.06 Xorg
1520 root 19 -1 37504 27m 3676 S4 5.6 3:16.09 Xorg
LDD info: http://pastebin.com/s7F7cmSV
DEBAIN 6 with LENNY's default repository GTK and GDK
(**libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1200.11**):
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND
11354 root 19 -1 39248 29m 3636 S3 5.9 0:16.99 Xorg
11354 root 19 -1 39380 29m 3636 S4 5.9 0:17.10 Xorg
11354 root 19 -1 39512 29m 3636 R4 6.0 0:21.02 Xorg
11354 root 19 -1 39640 29m 3636 S3 6.0 0:22.68 Xorg
LDD info: http://pastebin.com/gwJhpEQe
Request ,some debugging model to understand and fix the root cause of
the issue.
LDD info for LibGDK :
Sample GTK code that we use for TESTING:
Compiling: gcc -o dispText dispText.c `pkg-config --libs --cflags
gtk+-2.0 --libs --cflags gthread-2.0`
#include gtk/gtk.h
#include string.h
#include stdio.h
#include pthread.h
GtkWidget *window;
pthread_t fsmThreadId;
void destroyWidget(int index)
{
GList *children, *iter;
children = gtk_container_get_children(GTK_CONTAINER(window));
for(iter = children; iter != NULL; iter = g_list_next(iter)){
gtk_container_remove(GTK_CONTAINER(window),GTK_WIDGET(iter-data));
printf(Deleting Widget\n);
}
g_list_free(iter);
g_list_free(children);
}
int dispTextPage(char* tempfileName, int pixBufOperation)
{
int index;
GtkWidget *textv;
GdkWindow *textv_window;
GdkPixmap *pixmap = NULL;
GtkTextBuffer* textBuffer=NULL;
/* Lock thread */
gdk_threads_enter();
GdkColor color;
char tempBuffer[512];
char newfName[100]={'\0'};
char ext[4]={'\0'};
char temp[100]={'\0'};
int i;
char fileName[256];
FILE * fd;
int imageFound = 1;
int lastSeperatorIndex = 0,j = 0;
memset(fileName,0,sizeof(fileName));
strcpy(fileName,tempfileName);
/* Currently destroing the widget here itself */
/* Since we are using widgets one by one currently */
destroyWidget(1);
textv = gtk_text_view_new ();
gtk_text_view_set_left_margin(GTK_TEXT_VIEW(textv), 28);
gtk_text_view_set_right_margin(GTK_TEXT_VIEW(textv), 20);
gtk_text_view_set_pixels_above_lines(GTK_TEXT_VIEW(textv),1);
gtk_text_view_set_wrap_mode(GTK_TEXT_VIEW(textv), GTK_WRAP_CHAR);
gtk_text_view_set_justification(GTK_TEXT_VIEW(textv),
GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT);
gtk_text_view_set_editable(GTK_TEXT_VIEW(textv), FALSE);
gtk_text_view_set_cursor_visible(GTK_TEXT_VIEW(textv), FALSE);
gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(window), textv);
textv_window =
Re: How is typical home computer used today?
On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: So, what up to date operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm8defm.1vu.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
Le Monday 08 December 2014 15:40:03, The Wanderer a écrit : This thread is about complaints about not being able to interrupt / abort / cancel an already-started boot-time fsck. This thread is about using one's computer quickly after turning it on. An unexpected un-interruptible fsck is seen as an obstacle to this. To summarize the best solution proposed so far, I have to 1) adjust automatic fsck to my taste: tune2fs -c X -i Y /dev/whatever 2) add fsck.mode=skip to the default grub entry. 3) add an entry to the grub menu to run fsck as it used to be (that is without the fsck.mode option). Steps 2 and 3 may be automated with some changes to /etc/grub.d. To use my computer on any average day, I let it boot without any check using the default grub entry. New Debian installs don't check ext partitions at all (at least on the computer I'm using right now) so there is no loss of functionality. When I feel the need to check my file system and I have enough time to do so, I boot the computer with the alternate boot option. If the file system was checked recently, it will just boot as quickly as the default grub option. But if it is time to run fsck, it will do so but I don't mind as I knew it was a possibility. That procedure seems perfectly fine to me unless i completely forget about running fsck. To this the mountinfo script (http://nwalsh.com/hacks/mountinfo/) was proposed by Curt. It is a solution but I would prefer a desktop widget for this purpose. If any one is capable of creating one, please let me know. Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now acceptable, possible, tolerated? Frederic
Re: How is typical home computer used today?
On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I just object to such sweeping statements of male ovine faeces. Well, you're manifestly an authority in the matter, whereas this Rob Pike guy formerly from Bell Labs is some sort of newbie on whose opinion most of us wouldn't want to waste our pompous latinate. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm8df62.1vu.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Fwd: Re: Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports
Apologies to Andrei -- inadvertently sent by mail: Original Message Subject: Re: Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2014 10:16:47 +0100 From: Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org To: Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com On 09/12/14 00:04, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 08 dec 14, 17:30:44, Tony van der Hoff wrote: root@tony-fr:~# apt-get -t wheezy-backports install vlc Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: vlc : Depends: vlc-nox (= 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1) but 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 is to be installed Depends: libvlccore7 (= 2.1.0) but it is not going to be installed Recommends: vlc-plugin-notify (= 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1) but 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 is to be installed Recommends: vlc-plugin-pulse (= 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1) but 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 is to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Please show the outputs of apt-cache policy apt-cache policy vlc apt-cache policy vlc-nox apt-cache policy libvlccore7 Thanks for taking an interest, Andrei here goes: tony@tony-fr:~$ sudo apt-cache policy [sudo] password for tony: Package files: 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main Translation-en 100 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main amd64 Packages release v=,o=Debian Backports,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=main origin ftp.uk.debian.org 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/non-free Translation-en 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/main Translation-en 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/contrib Translation-en 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/contrib amd64 Packages release o=Debian,a=stable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=contrib origin ftp.uk.debian.org 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/non-free amd64 Packages release o=Debian,a=stable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=non-free origin ftp.uk.debian.org 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-updates/main amd64 Packages release o=Debian,a=stable-updates,n=wheezy-updates,l=Debian,c=main origin ftp.uk.debian.org 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main Translation-en 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/contrib Translation-en 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/contrib amd64 Packages release v=7.0,o=Debian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=contrib origin security.debian.org 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/non-free amd64 Packages release v=7.0,o=Debian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=non-free origin security.debian.org 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages release v=7.0,o=Debian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Debian-Security,c=main origin security.debian.org 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/non-free Translation-en 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main Translation-en 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib Translation-en 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/contrib amd64 Packages release v=7.7,o=Debian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=contrib origin ftp.uk.debian.org 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/non-free amd64 Packages release v=7.7,o=Debian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=non-free origin ftp.uk.debian.org 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages release v=7.7,o=Debian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=main origin ftp.uk.debian.org Pinned packages: tony@tony-fr:~$ sudo apt-cache policy vlc vlc: Installed: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 Candidate: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 Version table: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1 0 100 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main amd64 Packages *** 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 0 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status tony@tony-fr:~$ sudo apt-cache policy vlc-nox vlc-nox: Installed: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 Candidate: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 Version table: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1 0 100 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main amd64 Packages *** 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 0 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status tony@tony-fr:~$ sudo apt-cache policy
Re: How is typical home computer used today?
On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.org] Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : [SNIP] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Exactly what is meant by Multi-seat PC? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine would only ever be used by a specific individual. One of the underlying motivations is personally understanding the the guts of Linux. [snip] About anachronism... you should read about what is the minitel*, and then, consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;) *: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel Is there any current survey of people actually use computers today? My personal usage would be email, web browsing, and some number crunching. I would explicitly avoid installing anything that would act as a server when connected to a network. I believe that an appropriate response to the question of the subject field, is, to reword the quote from Plato's Phaedrus, to And, what is typical, and, what is not typical? *NO* ! I was asking a question which has a statistical answer. Whether the OS be Windows, Linux, OSX, RSX11-M is irrelevant. How are home computers used? NOT what is the OS. And, where, in the text that I posted, that you cited, is any reference to operating system? Thew question that ou asked, in the subject field for the thread, is How is typical home computer used today? So, what is your specified typical home computer? It is your specification. Why are you so unwilling to provide the detail;, of what you specify as typical? Does such an entity exist? And, since you refer to the application of statistics, to the matter, statistically, what is your typical home computer? Is it a computer with 1.15 computer screens of 18.5 inches diagonal measurement, with a CPU that has 1.25 cores and 1.75GB RAM, and Windows 6.66 and a HDD of 2.775 GB capacity, with 0.325 speakers and 0.75 webcams of 0.75MP resolution? What, exactly, is your statistically typical home computer? Have you found any, yet? -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CACX6j8N�NoK-2j4-+zyJsCKSTOeh=cuaJ3Lh=gH_FRP=w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Fwd: Re: Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 10:28:01, Tony van der Hoff wrote: tony@tony-fr:~$ sudo apt-cache policy [sudo] password for tony: Note: apt-cache doesn't require root privileges, since it only provides information Package files: 100 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main amd64 Packages release v=,o=Debian Backports,a=wheezy-backports,n=wheezy-backports,l=Debian Backports,c=main origin ftp.uk.debian.org Backports at priority 100 (default) 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages release v=7.7,o=Debian,a=stable,n=wheezy,l=Debian,c=main origin ftp.uk.debian.org Wheezy at priority 500 (default) Pinned packages: No pinned packages tony@tony-fr:~$ sudo apt-cache policy vlc vlc: Installed: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 You already have this version installed Candidate: 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 According to your priorities and available versions this is the candidate version. Version table: 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1 0 100 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy-backports/main amd64 Packages *** 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 0 500 http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ wheezy/main amd64 Packages 500 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status And these are the available versions with their priorities and origins. I can't spot anything wrong in here. A bigger hammer approach would be to do this apt-get install -t wheezy-backports vlc vlc-nox libvlccore7 If this works it might be worth reporting it to the debian-backports mailinglist, CC the maintainer of the backport. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How is typical home computer used today?
On Monday 08 December 2014 20:46:56 Richard Owlett wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 09/12/2014, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: In a thread titled Re: 9p/plumber to replace D-Bus? berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [https://lists.debian.org/3d6a00a1c8bddc88b517b4e19cc68...@neutralite.or g] Le 08.12.2014 14:18, Marty a écrit : [SNIP] Multi-seat PC and other anachronisms probably have to go away. Exactly what is meant by Multi-seat PC? I'm working on defining a heavily customized personal installation of Debian. One of the *STRONG* underlying assumptions is the the machine would only ever be used by a specific individual. One of the underlying motivations is personally understanding the the guts of Linux. [snip] About anachronism... you should read about what is the minitel*, and then, consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;) *: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minitel Is there any current survey of people actually use computers today? My personal usage would be email, web browsing, and some number crunching. I would explicitly avoid installing anything that would act as a server when connected to a network. I believe that an appropriate response to the question of the subject field, is, to reword the quote from Plato's Phaedrus, to And, what is typical, and, what is not typical? *NO* ! I was asking a question which has a statistical answer. Nonsense! Is this supposed to be a statistical survey to give a statistical answer? (See above.) If so, how have you randomised it? The Debian list strikes me as a very specialist non-random group. We can't possibly give you a statistically useful answer. Bret's Plato quotation is very apt. What do you mean by typical and normal?? And how do you expect to get the answer from so non-random a group? Lisi Whether the OS be Windows, Linux, OSX, RSX11-M is irrelevant. How are home computers used? NOT what is the OS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412090947.53075.lisi.re...@gmail.com
debian on hp probook 640
Hallo everybody. Has anybody any experience with Debian (I'm thinking about Jessy) installation on HP ProBook 640? I was unable to google anything helpful about this book and GNU/Linux, except that HP provides option to install SUSE on it. So, I hope, there sh'ld be no great problems with Debian too, but may be somebody has personal experience. I'm not a list subscriber, please make a CC. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAB-Kck=k+ld65rrpo4nwnkvexroitihgdg0veh4u-9tmmo...@mail.gmail.com
Re: How is typical home computer used today?
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 08:59:34 Curt wrote: On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: So, what up to date operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. Which is going to be so up-to-date that it can't use anachronisms like multi-seat, which are widely and currently in use. In fact, the use of multi-seat is growing. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412090955.43537.lisi.re...@gmail.com
[HITB-Announce] #HITB2015AMS Call for Papers is Open
Happy December everyone - It's that time of the year again when we ask you to submit your latest and greatest research papers for HITB Security Conference in Amsterdam! Our 6th annual event in The Netherlands takes place at the Beurs van Berlage from the 26th - 29th of May 2014. Event Website: http://conference.hitb.org/hitbsecconf2015ams/ As always we start with 2-days of hands on technical trainings followed by a 2-day triple track conference. Along side HITBSecConf, we'll also be holding HITB Haxpo on the 27th, 28th and 29th of May at De Beurs van Berlage and entrance to the Haxpo arena is COMPLETELY FREE and OPEN TO PUBLIC. With support and backing from the Amsterdam Economic Board (AMEC), HITB Haxpo is a technology exhibition that brings together hackers, makers, builders and breakers in a celebration of innovation and outside the box thinking! We've got areas dedicated to showcasing hackerspaces, makers with 3D printers, laser cutters and other fabrication goodies, a Lock Picking Village by TOOOL Netherlands, a developer hackathon and our attack and defense Capture the Flag live hacking competition plus an all new Start Up Village! --- HITBSecConf is a deep-knowledge, highly technical conference and we're looking for material which is new, fresh and preferably something which hasn't been presented previously. In short, show us your 0days! Submission Deadlines: Round #1 selection: 1st February 2015 Round #2 selection: 1st March 2015 Submissions will be evaluated in 2 rounds. If all slots are filled in the first selection round, we will close CFP early so DON'T DELAY SUBMITTING! HITB CFP: http://cfp.hackinthebox.org/ === Each accepted submission will entitle the speaker(s) to accommodation for 3 nights / 4 days and travel expense reimbursement up to EUR1200.00 _per speaking slot_ Topics of interest include, but are not limited to the following: Cloud Security File System Security 3G/4G/WIMAX Security SS7/GSM/VoIP Security Security of Medical Devices Critical Infrastructure Security Smartphone / MobileSecurity Smart Card and Physical Security Network Protocols, Analysis and Attacks Applications of Cryptographic Techniques Side Channel Analysis of Hardware Devices Analysis of Malicious Code / Viruses / Malware Data Recovery, Forensics and Incident Response Hardware based attacks and reverse engineering Windows / Linux / OS X / *NIX Security Vulnerabilities Next Generation Exploit and Exploit Mitigation Techniques NFC, WLAN, GPS, HAM Radio, Satellite, RFID and Bluetooth Security WHITE PAPER: If your presentation is short listed for inclusion into the conference program, a technical white paper must also be provided for review (3000 - 5000 words). Your submissions will be reviewed by The HITB CFP Review Committee: Charlie Miller (formerly Principal Research Consultant, Accuvant Labs) Katie Moussouris, Chief Policy Officer, HackerOne Marco Balduzzi, Lead Research Scientist, Trend Micro Itzik Kotler, Chief Technology Officer, Security Art Cesar Cerrudo, Chief Technology Officer, IOActive Jeremiah Grossman, Founder, Whitehat Security Andrew Cushman, Senior Director, Microsoft Saumil Shah, Founder CEO Net-Square Thanh 'RD' Nguyen, THC, VNSECURITY Alexander Kornburst, Red Database Fredric Raynal, QuarksLab Shreeraj Shah, Founder, BlueInfy Emmanuel Gadaix, Founder, TSTF Andrea Barisani, Inverse Path Philippe Langlois, TSTF Ed Skoudis, InGuardians Haroon Meer, Thinkst Chris Evans, Google Raoul Chiesa, TSTF/ISECOM rsnake, SecTheory Gal Diskin, Intel Skyper, THC Note: We do not accept product or vendor related pitches. If you would like to showcase your company's products or technology at HITB Haxpo (which also has it's own set of speaking slots), please email i...@haxpo.nl or conferencei...@hackinthebox.org to request for a sponsorship kit Regards, Hafez Kamal Hack in The Box (M) Sdn. Bhd 36th Floor, Menara Maxis Kuala Lumpur City Centre 50088 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Tel: +603-26157299 Fax: +603-26150088 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/nvnpqbxu-azur-jnw-qijy-ho1ug7vpm...@hackinthebox.org
Re: Fwd: Re: Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports
Thanks very much for the explanation, Anderei, On 09/12/14 10:42, Andrei POPESCU wrote: I can't spot anything wrong in here. A bigger hammer approach would be to do this apt-get install -t wheezy-backports vlc vlc-nox libvlccore7 If this works it might be worth reporting it to the debian-backports mailinglist, CC the maintainer of the backport. And if it doesn't? root@tony-fr:~# apt-get install -t wheezy-backports vlc vlc-nox libvlccore7 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libvlccore7 : Depends: vlc-data (= 2.1.5-1~bpo70+1) but 2.0.3-5+deb7u1 is to be installed plasma-scriptengines : Depends: plasma-scriptengine-python (= 4:4.8.4-6) but it is not going to be installed vlc-nox : Depends: libchromaprint0 (= 0.2) but it is not going to be installed Recommends: libdvdcss2 but it is not installable E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages. I've tried adding those further depends onto the apt-get line, but it simply fails on further dependencies, eventually failing on Package libavcodec-extra-54 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source Package libavutil52 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'libavutil52' has no installation candidate E: Package 'libavcodec-extra-54' has no installation candidate I think something must be seriously broken ... Cheers, Tony -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5486c9ab.5000...@vanderhoff.org
Re: Fwd: Re: Failed to install VLC from wheezy backports
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 11:06:35, Tony van der Hoff wrote: I've tried adding those further depends onto the apt-get line, but it simply fails on further dependencies, eventually failing on Package libavcodec-extra-54 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source Package libavutil52 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package 'libavutil52' has no installation candidate E: Package 'libavcodec-extra-54' has no installation candidate I think something must be seriously broken ... I see wheezy-backports has libavcodec-extra-55 and libavutil53 instead. You should probably contact the maintainers to update the backport. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On 2014-12-09, Frédéric Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com wrote: This thread is about using one's computer quickly after turning it on. An=20 unexpected un-interruptible fsck is seen as an obstacle to this. To summarize the best solution proposed so far, I have to 1) adjust automatic fsck to my taste: tune2fs -c X -i Y /dev/whatever 2) add fsck.mode=skip to the default grub entry. or 'fastboot'? Is that equivalent? There's '/etc/fstab' I guess (zero value in the last field and the file system will not be checked). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm8dl66.1vu.cu...@einstein.electron.org
HP M125nw printer and debian
Did someone try this combo scanner/printer in network with debian ? openprinting.org does not list it, but hplip does, thus the question. Thank you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209122114.gr8...@rail.eu.org
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
2014/12/09 18:06 Frédéric Marchal frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com: [...] That procedure seems perfectly fine to me unless i completely forget about running fsck. To this the mountinfo script ( http://nwalsh.com/hacks/mountinfo/) was proposed by Curt. It is a solution but I would prefer a desktop widget for this purpose. If any one is capable of creating one, please let me know. Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now acceptable, possible, tolerated? switch to a virtual console (ctrl-alt-Fn), telinit s, uhm, I mean sytemctl target=uhm, something-single-user, umount the partition, fsck by hand? boot drive, of course, is an exercise left to the reader. ;-)
Re: LVM RAID5 with missing disk?
Bob Proulx a écrit : I favor RAID6's extra redundancy for more safety but I still use RAID1 too. RAID 1 can provide as much or more redundancy than RAID 6. RAID 1 on 3 disks provides as much redundancy as RAID 6. RAID 1 on 4 disks provides more redundancy than RAID 6 (but half the usable space). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5486e90b.3020...@plouf.fr.eu.org
jessie: dpkg-bug #768599
hi, I get an error when configuring packages during apt-get dist-upgrade [1]: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=768599 (which is fixed in dpkg 1.17.22 which is currently in unstable). The error does not re-occur when doing a apt-get -f install followed by a apt-get dist-upgrade. I guess I don't need to take further action? It seems like 1.17.22 won't currently migrate to jessie: https://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=dpkg = Do we need to take further action here? [1] Setting up systemd (215-7) ... [...] ... 617731 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to unpack .../systemd-sysv_215-7_i386.deb ... Unpacking systemd-sysv (215-7) over (215-5+b1) ... Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.0.2-3) ... dpkg: cycle found while processing triggers: chain of packages whose triggers are or may be responsible: dbus - dbus packages' pending triggers which are or may be unresolvable: dbus: /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services: /etc/dbus-1/system.d gconf2: /usr/share/gconf/schemas dpkg: error processing package dbus (--configure): triggers looping, abandoned Setting up systemd-sysv (215-7) ... Errors were encountered while processing: dbus E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) Many Thanks and Best Regards, -- Felix Natter -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87iohlvuqr@bitburger.home.felix
Re: Debian7.7でUSB HDDの書込不可の不具合
On Tuesday 09 December 2014 04:44:25 Jun Itou wrote, mostly in Japanese: [snip] This is the English language list. You might find these more helpful: https://lists.debian.org/debian-japanese/ http://www.debian.or.jp/community/ml/ HTH Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412091403.55389.lisi.re...@gmail.com
Re: How is typical home computer used today?
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 03:51:49AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote: Oh, and, from what I understand, unless the statistics have changed, regarding the consider thinking about how most people uses their computers ;) from what I understand, most people who use computers do not use Linux as the operating system, and, most people who use computers, do not know what is Linux. Some use computers to trim their posts while, sadly, others do not. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209144929.GC27095@tal
About Testing Freeze and KDE
Hi all, I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) How does the freeze work in regard to KDE: currently, many packages are at 4.14.2, PIM is at 4.14.1 and the latest 4.14 release is 4.14.3 Is it true that the packages will stay at these version numbers, also after the release of Jessie? But wouldn't it make sense to upgrade everything to 4.14.3 since this is the latest and most stable KDE 4 release? Is this impossible because it conflicts with the Debian policy? Thanks and all the best. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/092d1f4d-5a20-4a8b-9df4-3fa73df27...@gmx.ch
Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 04:26:42PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 15:44:59 Michael Fothergill wrote: A novus fuscinulam Debian - Devuan pulsantes apparuit absque ulla logicas rationem omnino A new (way of doing impolite things to, or, an impolite adjective to show dislike for) Debian - De Van is a pulsing apparition with all of its abs logically rationed everywhere ? ??? That was funny I think it is better than I was aiming for here. If you put into google translate (Latin to English) you get: A new fork of Debian - Devuan magically appeared without any logical reason at all Remind me not to use Google Translate. The whisky is agreeable but the meat has gone bad!!! http://engrish.com/ -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209152414.GE27095@tal
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now acceptable, possible, tolerated? That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Do you mean *before* shutdown? -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209150931.GD27095@tal
Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:23:04PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 17:41:57 Michael Fothergill wrote: Perhaps the fun to be got out of it is to try doing it with different phrases and then those of us who don't know Latin take bets on how good or bad a translation it is beforehand. :-) When I was at school we had a rhyme which went: Caeser adsum iam forte Pompey aderat; Caeser sic in omnibus Pompey sic in at. ;-) Must have been a rough driver. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209153012.GF27095@tal
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On 12/09/2014 at 10:09 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now acceptable, possible, tolerated? That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Do you mean *before* shutdown? Obviously, during shutdown means during the shutdown process, i.e., during the sequence of shutting-down-the-system steps which takes place in response to a shutdown command. That sequence already does several things prior to actually shutting down the system; perhaps most obviously, it tells various services to stop cleanly, kills other processes, and unmounts filesystems. There seems as if there should be no conceptual reason why it shouldn't be possible to add an additional run a fsck step into that sequence, probably after the unmount and before the final shutdown itself. ...except that fsck of root during the boot process is possible only because root hasn't been mounted yet, because we're still in the initramfs and haven't pivoted into the real root yet. So making that possible during shutdown would probably require setting up another ramdisk during the shutdown process (which sounds like a bad idea), pivoting into it, unmounting the original root, and then triggering the fsck... All in all, while it *might* be possible, I don't think it sounds like that would be worth the trouble. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
File folder clean up
Hi all, Short Summary: How can I find files which parent folders have the same name? Long version: For a friend of mine I'm helping with tidying up his files and folders. What he basically did in the past was copying folders several times like for (bad) backups... So many files have been copied a few times, everything was quite a mess. As a first step I put everything into a new folder tree, modified the mtimes by some decades to reflect which files should be preferred and deleted duplicate files using fdupes afterwards, then I deleted all empty folders. Now there is the new target folder tree where most of the files are already correctly sorted in, but there are also the sparse folders left - i.e. folders where most of the files are already deleted, but some are still left. Assuming that at least some of these files are in parent folders with the same name, do you know any tool which can help in finding them and moving them around? Thanks a lot! All the best. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/594c9406-b7b2-467f-a84a-ae0a13d8a...@gmx.ch
[minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE
Running jessie Using an lxde desktop... for a long time now (Note: for lack of a fuller vocabulary, the word icon is used to cover a few different things below:) (Attached at bottom is a screen grab showing what I'm talking about) Some mnths ago (not sure how many) the icons (running program indicators) that appear in the bottom (taskbar like ) panel changed from showing icons of the running program such as the emacs icon, xterm icon, vim icon etc. to just showing a generic icon and text, making it hard to identify witch icon is which program quickly. You can stop and and hold cursor on an icon (running program indicator) to see the full text it has, which will identify the program in most cases or you can click the panel entry and see which diplayed window iconizes or opens, but it used to be just a glance would tell you. Further, some indicators still show the regular icon. One I notice is iceweasel. I'd like the old behavior back but have no idea how to start digging into it. Perhaps it is an icon package or something ... hopefully someone here will know something about it...
Re: LVM RAID5 with missing disk?
Hello Pascal, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Bob Proulx a écrit : I favor RAID6's extra redundancy for more safety but I still use RAID1 too. RAID 1 can provide as much or more redundancy than RAID 6. RAID 1 on 3 disks provides as much redundancy as RAID 6. RAID 1 on 4 disks provides more redundancy than RAID 6 (but half the usable space). Do you have any articles or blogs or postings you have written that would summarize raid alternatives? I would enjoy reading whatever you have written on the subject. Or if you recommended other references. Thanks! Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How is typical home computer used today?
On 2014-12-09, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: from what I understand, most people who use computers do not use Linux as the operating system, and, most people who use computers, do not know what is Linux. Some use computers to trim their posts while, sadly, others do not. Yes, and they are sometimes paradoxically snippy to boot. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm8ea6d.276.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now acceptable, possible, tolerated? It was proposed that we do this sometime ago, there's a bug open somewhere (likely either in sysvinit, initscripts). That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Do you mean *before* shutdown? It is not a disaster, but you must not do it if the platform reports it is on battery, or when it is doing an UPS-initiated shutdown, or any other sort of emergency shutdown. (UPS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply). So far, so good, that's no show-stopper. We could make it optional, or we could implement the gross hacks we already have to detect ups-initiated shutdowns and skip the fsck-on-shutdown. We can properly detect laptop on battery as well in most devices/platforms. But nobody got around to writing the code. It is simple as that. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209163020.gc24...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: How is typical home computer used today?
On 12/09/2014 04:55 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 09 December 2014 08:59:34 Curt wrote: On 2014-12-09, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: So, what up to date operating system is, now? You cut his link to plan9; maybe that's it. Which is going to be so up-to-date that it can't use anachronisms like multi-seat, which are widely and currently in use. In fact, the use of multi-seat is growing. Lisi Decentralized computing. Sun's the network is the computer was an early experiment with this idea, Plan 9 was another. Is it easy? Nobody said it would be easy. As for what is growing, cloud computing, so they can look at our data and keep us safe. The app store concept is growning, and the unified solution is coming to distro near you, with TC/DRM as added bonus. Don't forget that OS-X is built on FOSS, blazing the trail. Centralized computing, centralized development, helpless users, mo' money. Even Wall Street gets it. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54872803.5090...@ix.netcom.com
Re: File folder clean up
B. M. wrote: Short Summary: How can I find files which parent folders have the same name? ... Assuming that at least some of these files are in parent folders with the same name, do you know any tool which can help in finding them and moving them around? The 'find' program is the standard utility to find files. GNU find includes a regex (regular expression) extension. I think it should do what you want. find . -iregex '.*\(.*\)/\1' Here is a test case I made for your example. $ find . ./aaa ./aaa/file1 ./aaa/ccc ./aaa/bbb ./aaa/bbb/bbb ./aaa/aaa ./aaa/aaa/aaa Running that find command upon it prints: find . -iregex '.*\(.*\)/\1' ./aaa/bbb/bbb ./aaa/aaa ./aaa/aaa/aaa Explanation of the command. The find command finds files. Directories in Unix are simply files. Special files but files just the same. The -iregex option takes a regular expression to match across the entire path from begining to end. The 'i' part of iregex is to ignore case. I assume you would want to search without case ensitivity. The (...) part starts a regular expression grouping. The parens must be quoted with \(...\) to turn on their magic function since this is an extended regular expression syntax (ERE) and the default is basic regular expressions (BRE). You can read all about regular expressions, the different engines, and how to use them. The '.' matches any single character. The '*' modifies that to match any number of characters. You see '.*' a lot in regular expressions. Putting it in (.*) matches any number of characters and groups it into a grouping that can be referenced again later in the expression with a backreference. The \1 is a backreference that means whatever was previously matched in the first (...) grouping. If there were a \2 that would match the second grouping and so forth. It feels a little magical but (.*)/\1 matches anything that is aaa/aaa or / where the second part is the same as the first part. The '/' in the middle matches the directory separator so that the first part and the second part must be different directories. Hope that helps, Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 16:11:30, B. M. wrote: Hi all, I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) How does the freeze work in regard to KDE: currently, many packages are at 4.14.2, PIM is at 4.14.1 and the latest 4.14 release is 4.14.3 Are there any significant changes? Is it true that the packages will stay at these version numbers, also after the release of Jessie? In general yes. Depending on how a specific software project handles versioning it might happen that a new version is allowed, e.g. because it fixes serious bugs, but doesn't touch anything else. It's also possible for the maintainer to cherry-pick only the interesting changes (e.g. bug fixes). But wouldn't it make sense to upgrade everything to 4.14.3 since this is the latest and most stable KDE 4 release? If it's the latest how can you tell it's the most stable? After all, it didn't get much testing (yet). Is this impossible because it conflicts with the Debian policy? Nothing is impossible, but any exception granted by the Release Team has to be carefully considered, as 1. it might do more harm than good, e.g. by introducing new bugs 2. others will be requesting exceptions as well ;-) Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 11:05:23, Harry Putnam wrote: Further, some indicators still show the regular icon. One I notice is iceweasel. I'd like the old behavior back but have no idea how to start digging into it. I'm guessing the icon is set by the application, in this case your terminal emulator, not the panel. As far as I recall I was already using rxvt-unicode when I switched to LXDE and never saw vim's icon in the taskbar when running it under rxvt. Were there any recent changes related to your terminal emulator? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE
B. M. wrote: I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) When you say using Debian that is not sufficient to really describe what you are doing. I use Debian Stable on production servers. I also run Debian Unstable for testing and reporting bugs before the next release. Others run Debian Testing in order to have a semi-rolling release. How does the freeze work in regard to KDE: currently, many packages are at 4.14.2, PIM is at 4.14.1 and the latest 4.14 release is 4.14.3 You are talking about the latest upstream KDE release. The latest KDE release available in Debian is 4.14.2. But if you are talking about production releases then we are talking the Debian Stable release. In Debian Stable the latest KDE is 4.8.4 released with Debian 7 Wheezy. Debian is a software distribution. Software distributors distribute software from upstream projects into nice bundles for end users such as you and I to install and use as a single thing. There are thousands of upstream projects assembled into Debian. But in order for that to happen the package must be packaged for Debian. That takes some time and doesn't happen instantaneously. There is always some normal lag between packages released upstream and then getting released in Debian. And often that is intentional if the upstream doesn't have anything of significant value the downstream distributions may wait for the next major release instead. Is it true that the packages will stay at these version numbers, also after the release of Jessie? When Debian Jessie is released as Debian Stable then it will be released. Nothing will change anymore. The many Debian Stable users such as all of my production systems will be planning to upgrade from the previous production release to the next. We don't want any more changes after it has been released! But wouldn't it make sense to upgrade everything to 4.14.3 since this is the latest and most stable KDE 4 release? Is this impossible because it conflicts with the Debian policy? It conflicts with your choice of release track. You are currently tracking Jessie? The entire purpose of Jessie is to be a release candidate to become the next Stable release. As a release candidate Jessie spends its growing up life learning how to be a release to Stable when it will graduate and stop being fiddled with further. If you want to continue tracking the bleeding edge then you should not be using Jessie. To track the bleeding edge continuously you would select Testing or Unstable Sid. (Sid is the name given to Unstable. Sid is the kid in Toy Story who tormented the toys.) If you want to continue to get upgrades then Testing or Sid is the choice you would make not Jessie. So it is your choice. If you are like me and want production stability then Debian Stable is the right choice. If you want to ride the wave and surf the bleeding edge bits then Testing or Unstable is the right choice for you. However! And this is a big however. Testing and Unstable are by definition the release candidates. Emphasis on candidate. They sometimes break. They sometimes have bugs. Sometimes bad bugs. The bleeding edge is called the bleeding edge because sometimes when living on the cutting edge of technology you can get cut up on it and bleed. Bob signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: File folder clean up
On 09/12/2014 20:24, Bob Proulx wrote: B. M. wrote: Short Summary: How can I find files which parent folders have the same name? ... Assuming that at least some of these files are in parent folders with the same name, do you know any tool which can help in finding them and moving them around? The 'find' program is the standard utility to find files. GNU find includes a regex (regular expression) extension. I think it should do what you want. [..cut] Hello, additionally you can install a graphical interface to do most of the find work for you, it is named fslint. I wasted countless hours writing a script and reinventing the wheel a few years ago, for a case similar to yours, before I discovered fslint. It doesn't do magic if the files are all written to though, like in my case all files were edited at random, and some had been renamed, so newer version could be any (checksum + timestamp), or none (merge) of them. In those occasion Unison or fslint or plain find can help triage things but manual inspection is still often required. Have fun. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54873627.6090...@googlemail.com
Re: Maildrop - howto deliver email that contains the word systemd directly to trash with .mailfilter?
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 03:40:38PM +0100, Toby wrote: Hello, the subject says it all. I'm starting to have problems finding useful mails from this list. They are hiding somewhere between all systemd arguments. Since I'm not interested in what init system that will be the default and are trusting that my boxes will work just fine with the one chosen by the developers I'm trying to figure out howto filter incoming mails that contains the word systemd and deliver them to trash. I have maildrop as mda using Maildir. I use this in my .mailfilter to sort mails from this list to a specific folder: if (/^X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org/) to $HOME/Maildir/.Linux.Debian.User Can anyone give me hint on how to achieve this by adding another rule? To match against the subject line: (/Subject:.*systemd/:h) To match against the entire body: (/systemd/:b) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209175210.gj30...@randomstring.org
Re: [minor bitch] about the panel (taskbar) LXDE
Harry Putnam wrote: Running jessie Using an lxde desktop... for a long time now (Note: for lack of a fuller vocabulary, the word icon is used to cover a few different things below:) (Attached at bottom is a screen grab showing what I'm talking about) snip Running uptodate sid with lxde. I see none of the behaviour you are describing. Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m67gb3$khh$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: Image cloning software
Is there a good software for Debian 7.7 as well as for Debian 6.10 that is capable to produce a multi DVD/CD image of a working system, in a way that such image can be used later as a DVD/CD installation media for 'cloning' on the other comps (or on itself, in case of an irreparable failure of a working machine)? Thanks. You may want to look at the bootcd package - looks like it will do what you ask... Or at least similar enough to get you most of the way there. Hi, Thanks to all who provided suggestions. Btw, when I mentioned 'cloning' an image on the other machines, I meant including those with different hardware (CPU, GPU, HDD RAM size). Would it be possible? M. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54874812.4030...@eunet.rs
Re: [OT] was Re: rather OT - was - Re: Latin joke, was Re: running two CPU's in parallel with e.g. Beowulf in the same box.....
On 09/12/2014, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Mon, Dec 08, 2014 at 11:23:04PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 17:41:57 Michael Fothergill wrote: Perhaps the fun to be got out of it is to try doing it with different phrases and then those of us who don't know Latin take bets on how good or bad a translation it is beforehand. :-) When I was at school we had a rhyme which went: Caeser adsum iam forte Pompey aderat; Caeser sic in omnibus Pompey sic in at. ;-) Must have been a rough driver. I once, as a child, encountered a sod of a bus driver, that was an NZR bus driver, on the (mostly) one lane, windy ( as in not straight, rather than gusts of air), gravel road from Waikaremoana to Murupara, and he heeled and toed it, all of the way along the windy gravel road, and, the prick would not let me leave the bus, until I had cleaned the mess that he made me make on the (out)side of the bus, and, he made me sit at the back of the bus for the trip, and would not let me sit near the front of the bus, even though he was told that I did not travel well and that me sitting at the back of the bus, would probably make me ill. I assume that Caesar got a similar bus driver. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8py6vmzdu+b1zgpk3wzxj+zrsm_qgcv4gyvglz0mdk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On Tue 09 Dec 2014 at 10:11:45 +0300, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Brian you seem to miss a point here, your roundabout solution to systemd introduced regression implies that when you boot your computer you get to know in advance if you can afford a fsck to run on those big data drives. I live in a country with very unreliable power, and there are quite a few around the planet. We still do computing, and have UPS, but even UPS and solar powered batteries cannot get the computer to run for ever. If I start booting and fsck runs, and I get a power cut, what am I to do ? I can wait with my fingers crossed that fsck will complete before I run out of power, at which point the system is going to crash badly, or interrupt it and shut down more or less cleanly. GRUB can be told about an upcoming fsck and display a message inviting you to choose to do it or not. So you get to know about it in advance; which presumably you didn't know before. You, as the person best placed, can decide whether the fsck can be afforded based on the status of the power supply. The ability to interupt the fsck after a power cut is of dubious value but, assuming you are aware of your present power reserves and what is drawn from them by an fsck, you could maybe uncross your fingers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209191128.gd19...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 23:13:45 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 19:00:36 Brian wrote: On Mon 08 Dec 2014 at 17:14:58 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Monday 08 December 2014 16:25:51 Brian wrote: Remedial action is not needed because the right choice was made from the grub menu. If it wasn't, you get to live with the consequences and don't do it again. (You) Would you please read https://lists.debian.org/20141205205925.gb20...@copernicus.demon.co.uk again? One could even set up two GRUB entries for the choices. An extra keystroke or two and one get exactly what one wants. Isn't choice and control a wonderful thing? This is a proposed solution to having an fsck run only when chosen. Renaud OLGIATI responded What about the choice to stop fsck it if it has started at an inconvenient moment ? Then I responded as you quote above. It is obvious I am referring back to the solution, where two choices are available. Making a mistake and not choosing the right option is a human thing to do (cf: the rm command) but I went on to point out a fact of life - if booting is broken, you get to keep the pieces. And that is just the first. You have been very condemnatory from the beginning until recently. There are others? It would be only fair to give references so I have the opportunity to correct any further misimpressions. But now it seems that one has to issue a Health Warning - Yes, it's systemd's fault, for not doing / letting you do Y - before tackling a problem associated with it. Dream on. There is enough information in this thread for a user to do something about the lack of a previously existing feature other than complain. Yet again you are saying that it is the OP's fault. There is no mention of the OP or of his experience in anything quoted above. My comment was in the context of making one choice out of two from a GRUB menu. In the case of aborting a fsck there is no choice available from the menu. I do not know how you can correctly claim I have said anything was his fault. As a general point, you appear to believe that the consequences resulting from making a choice from two GRUB entries lies with other than the user. If that is so, we will just have to agree to disagree. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209191521.ge19...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Image cloning software
On Ma, 09 dec 14, 20:05:54, Miroslav Skoric wrote: Btw, when I mentioned 'cloning' an image on the other machines, I meant including those with different hardware (CPU, GPU, HDD RAM size). Would it be possible? It depends: - CPU: matters only if different architecture - GPU: might matter in case you have custom kernel and/or custom Xorg configuration - RAM: shouldn't matter - HDD size: if the new HDD is bigger a bit for bit cloning (e.g. using dd) will leave you unused space, but you might be able to resize cloned partitions or create new ones in the empty space. You should probably provide more details about the installation to be cloned and hardware where the clone will be used. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: About Testing Freeze and KDE
On 2014-12-09, B. M. b-m...@gmx.ch wrote: Hi all, I'm using Debian since about a year now, so this is my first freeze :-) How does the freeze work in regard to KDE: currently, many packages are at 4.14.2, PIM is at 4.14.1 and the latest 4.14 release is 4.14.3 Is it true that the packages will stay at these version numbers, also after the release of Jessie? But wouldn't it make sense to upgrade everything to 4.14.3 since this is the latest and most stable KDE 4 release? Is this impossible because it conflicts with the Debian policy? Thanks and all the best. For what it's worth, various GNOME packages have received minor updates from upstream since the freeze: [UPGRADE] gnome-settings-daemon:amd64 3.14.1-1 - 3.14.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-tweak-tool:amd64 3.14.0-1 - 3.14.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-accessibility-themes:amd64 3.14.0-1 - 3.14.2.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-shell-extensions:amd64 3.14.1-1 - 3.14.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-themes-standard:amd64 3.14.0-1 - 3.14.2.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-themes-standard-data:amd64 3.14.0-1 - 3.14.2.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-documents:amd64 3.14.1-1 - 3.14.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-shell:amd64 3.14.1-1 - 3.14.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-shell-common:amd64 3.14.1-1 - 3.14.2-1 [UPGRADE] gnome-control-center:amd64 1:3.14.1-1 - 1:3.14.2-2 [UPGRADE] gnome-control-center-data:amd64 1:3.14.1-1 - 1:3.14.2-2 (taken from /var/log/aptitude) So it can be done. -- Liam -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm8ev3r.6k6.liam.p.otoole@dipsy.tubbynet
aptitude view filter
Hello. I'm trying to view only installed and not 'A'uto packages. I limit view in aptititude to ~i(!~A). It shows empty list. Why? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/54877e02.7050...@gmail.com
Re: aptitude view filter
On Mi, 10 dec 14, 00:56:02, George Shuklin wrote: Hello. I'm trying to view only installed and not 'A'uto packages. I limit view in aptititude to ~i(!~A). It shows empty list. Why? Short answer: you want '~i!~M' (you don't need the quotes in interactive mode). Long answer: 1. '' doesn't have any special meaning in this case, so you're looking for installed packages that contain '' in the name :) 2. ~A is the short version of ?archive (e.g. unstable), not ?automatic. You might want to read the aptitude reference manual, section Search patterns. See the package aptitude-doc-en. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
unable to install librecad in wheezy amd64
Hi, The subject says all: after issuing the command: apt-get install librecad I am getting: [...] The following packages have unmet dependencies: librecad : Depends: libqt4-help (= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt4-qt3support (= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt4-sql (= 4:4.5.3) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libqt4-sql-sqlite but it is not going to be installed E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. Where should I look to fix this? Thanks for your help! Tad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/e2cb61cacd6ecc46a6fbd0296822a2376d204...@hirt.ad.uws.edu.au
Re: Debian7.7でUSB HDDの書込不可の不具合
Thanks, Lisi. I think they didn't notice it wasn't the Japanese list. I didn't either, or I would have said something earlier. Jun did post his questions to the Japanese list yesterday, I don't see a response yet. (It's not a question I can answer easily.) 2014/12/09 23:04 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com: On Tuesday 09 December 2014 04:44:25 Jun Itou wrote, mostly in Japanese: [snip] This is the English language list. You might find these more helpful: https://lists.debian.org/debian-japanese/ http://www.debian.or.jp/community/ml/ HTH Lisi
Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie
On Sun, 07 Dec 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 06 dec 14, 13:56:34, Patrick Bartek wrote: On Sat, 06 Dec 2014, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 01 dec 14, 23:05:09, Patrick Bartek wrote: Well, we already know what a lot of Debian server admins think of systemd. Care to back this up with some data? Why? You've read this list regarding systemd and Debian same as I. I did. Surely, you have formed some opinions. Yes. Or are no patterns in the discussions apparent to you? They certainly are, but I have a strong feeling the patterns I am seeing are not the same as the ones you are seeing. Still, I try to refrain from making claims I can't prove and/or have hard data to back them up. What patterns did you see? What claims did I make? What a lot of Debian server admins think of systemd? A rhetorical statement. A lot of Debian server admins don't like systemd to put it mildly. They said so -- explicitly -- with various reasons why. Now, whether what they claimed is true or not remains to be seen, but we do know their opinions. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141209184854.3b323...@debian7.boseck208.net
NFS troubles on Suspend
I'm having an issue where NFS hangs after my laptop resumes after suspended from closing the lid. The scenario is a fresh Debian Jessie install, which is host to a Debian 7.4 VM using VirtualBox, which is managed by Vagrant. I'm hoping to get some advice on debugging this. I realize the Vagrant/VirtualBox complicates things, but I have had a similar setup working without problems in with a Ubuntu 14.04 host, and so far it feels like this is a related to the Debian host. Steps to reproduce: With a Vagrantfile like this: Vagrant.configure(2) do |config| config.vm.box = chef/debian-7.4 config.vm.network private_network, ip: 192.168.33.10 config.vm.synced_folder test, /mnt/test, nfs: true end ssh into guest: $ vagrant ssh Change directory shared directory: vagrant@packer-debian-7:~$ cd /mnt/test/ vagrant@packer-debian-7:/mnt/test$ Suspend and resume by closing laptop lid. Attempt a directory listing in shared directory from the guest. vagrant@packer-debian-7:/mnt/test$ ls -al ... and the command will hang. When I look at the process list, I see that that 'ls' process is stuck in D/uninterruptible sleep. -Ryan -- “There’s nothing sadder to me than associations held together by nothing but the glue of postage stamps - East of Eden
Re: Debian7.7でUSB HDDの書込不可の不具合 (problems writing to HDD)
I think I saw something like this on d-u recently, I'll practice my translating on the post: 2014/12/09 14:27 Jun Itou itou_...@infoseek.jp: Jun Itouです。 お世話になります。 Hello, etc. Debian7.6から7.7に変更してからUSB HDDが書込不可の症状に直面しています。 Jun is having problems writing to USB HDD after installing Debian 7.7. (7.6でもapt-get upgradeして同症状が出ているかもしれませんが、今回は新規インストールのため未確認) kernelの比較のため、kernel.orgから3.2.62と3.2.63をDLし両者をインストールして比較しました。 Doesn't know if he'd have the same problems on an upgrade from 7.6 to 7.7, he hasn't tried that. (Except he says below that he has, after all. Maybe after the first post.) HDDは3.2.62でfdiskとmkfs.ext4を実行し、その状態で3.2.62と3.2.63でmountとumountを実行してdmesgを取得してみました。 He has tried comparing results with the two named kernels, extracts from the dmesgs, with uname, below. 以下、両者のuname -aとdmesgのです。 Linux sv-server 3.2.62 #1 SMP Mon Dec 8 16:11:25 JST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux [ 97.356924] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci_hcd [ 97.659888] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=04bb, idProduct=0109 [ 97.659892] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 97.659895] usb 1-1: Product: I-O DATA HDZ-UES [ 97.659897] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: I-O DATA DEVICE INC. [ 97.659899] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 42A4 [ 97.710211] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [ 97.710896] scsi3 : usb-storage 1-1:1.0 [ 97.711053] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [ 97.711055] USB Mass Storage support registered. [ 98.714628] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access I-O DATA HDZ-UE1.0TS 6706 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS [ 98.716173] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 [ 98.720033] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 1953588672 512-byte logical blocks: (1.00 TB/931 GiB) [ 98.726121] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 98.726125] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 34 00 00 00 [ 98.733164] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [ 98.762988] sdb: sdb1 [ 98.784513] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk [ 126.657792] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) Linux sv-server 3.2.63 #1 SMP Mon Dec 8 18:22:55 JST 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux [ 101.331092] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using ehci_hcd [ 101.641961] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=04bb, idProduct=0109 [ 101.641964] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 [ 101.641967] usb 1-1: Product: I-O DATA HDZ-UES [ 101.641968] usb 1-1: Manufacturer: I-O DATA DEVICE INC. [ 101.641969] usb 1-1: SerialNumber: 42A4 [ 101.690910] Initializing USB Mass Storage driver... [ 101.692081] scsi3 : usb-storage 1-1:1.0 [ 101.692298] usbcore: registered new interface driver usb-storage [ 101.692299] USB Mass Storage support registered. [ 102.696841] scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access I-O DATA HDZ-UE1.0TS 6706 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS [ 102.698543] sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 [ 102.702731] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] 1953588672 512-byte logical blocks: (1.00 TB/931 GiB) [ 102.709340] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off [ 102.709343] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 34 00 00 00 [ 102.716254] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA [ 102.743219] sdb: sdb1 [ 102.763781] sd 3:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk [ 112.707426] EXT4-fs (sdb1): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null) [ 117.075758] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 0 [ 117.081523] end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 973342744 [ 117.081739] Aborting journal on device sdb1-8. [ 117.083837] journal commit I/O error [ 117.086427] EXT4-fs error (device sdb1): ext4_put_super:819: Couldn't clean up the journal [ 117.086716] EXT4-fs (sdb1): Remounting filesystem read-only *** I'll flag the above lines, where the dmesg says it couldn't clean up the journal and mounted it R/O. Kin-neko opined, 6 days ago, that the hardware was feeling its age and should be replaced. ソースのdiffを取るとドライバーやファイルシステム等に手が入っているみたいですね。 そこから先の問題点の追求はどうやったらいいものか、現在手詰まり状態です。 どのソースファイルが問題なのか分かれば対応してもらうとかできるんですけど…。 Says he's noticed that the drivers and file system source has been worked on, but doesn't know how to dig deeper. If he knew which file to focus on, he'd try. このUSB HDDはIDE形式のHDDが4台入っています。 4 IDE drives in the enclosure. 多分、JBODで連結されていると思います。 He thinks they are aggregated by JBOD. HDDは単体でHDDメーカーのツールにて物理的な問題が無い事を確認して有ります。 He's tested the individual disks with the manufacturer's utilities. HDZ-UESとしては3台持っていて、どれも同じ症状なので個体の問題では無いと思います。 He has three of these HDZ-UES enclosures, all seem to show the same symptoms. 一応思い出せる範囲で以下の事を確認しました。 He's tried the following: ・各ドライブ単体を取り出し、HDDメーカーの診断ソフトにて全セクターをR/Wして問題無い事を確認 Pulled each drive and run R/W tests on all sectors. ・診断ソフトにて全セクターを0で書き潰し、7.7で同症状が再現する事を確認 Confirmed the issue after clearing all sectors to 0. ・同症状が出ている状態でLive CDの7.6でfdiskやlsをやってもエラーやroにならない事を確認 He is able
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On 09/12/2014 22:11, Brian wrote: On Tue 09 Dec 2014 at 10:11:45 +0300, tv.deb...@googlemail.com wrote: Brian you seem to miss a point here, your roundabout solution to systemd introduced regression implies that when you boot your computer you get to know in advance if you can afford a fsck to run on those big data drives. I live in a country with very unreliable power, and there are quite a few around the planet. We still do computing, and have UPS, but even UPS and solar powered batteries cannot get the computer to run for ever. If I start booting and fsck runs, and I get a power cut, what am I to do ? I can wait with my fingers crossed that fsck will complete before I run out of power, at which point the system is going to crash badly, or interrupt it and shut down more or less cleanly. GRUB can be told about an upcoming fsck and display a message inviting you to choose to do it or not. So you get to know about it in advance; which presumably you didn't know before. If grub could tell me if I am going to have electricity supply for the next coming hours, that could be a workaround. Otherwise it is not a substitute to being able to interrupt the fsck. You, as the person best placed, can decide whether the fsck can be afforded based on the status of the power supply. The ability to interupt the fsck after a power cut is of dubious value but, assuming you are aware of your present power reserves and what is drawn from them by an fsck, you could maybe uncross your fingers. You must be living in rainbow pony and candy trees world. To calculate the remaining time you need to know how much power is drown by any specific drive in the raid array being checked, you need to know if your batteries have had time to fully recharge after the last cut, you need to know their self-discharge level and the maximum power they can hold given their age. You also need to know if more than one array is going to be checked during this specific boot, and the power drown by any other device sharing the same power source (systemd can send me donations if it wants me to have dedicated power backup for every appliance and device). All this just because you won't admit that systemd took away a feature, and that it is systemd's business to bring it back. I am just having fun with you giving my specific use case, to see how deep you can entrenched in your denial and fanaticism regarding systemd's shortcomings. With friends like you systemd doesn't need enemies. Jessie won't hold together with tape and flaky excuses for systemd's lack of readiness in Debian. So me, (quoting you) as the person best placed, can decide wether I want to interrupt fsck or not, and don't need systemd to hold my hand and keep me safe just to pathetically try to hide the fact that it introduced bugs and regressions. I try systemd, fill bugs, try to keep current regarding it's features and sketchy documentation, but I admit that the most annoying thing about systemd transition isn't its bugs, or its more vocal opponents, but the zealots and devil's advocate [1] one have to face with every bit of criticism one dare to express toward systemd's shortcomings (see [2] for example of shortcomings). Have a good day (or night). [1] https://xkcd.com/1432/ [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=systemd;dist=unstable -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5487dfc4.6080...@googlemail.com
RE: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
Hi John, Brian writes: I see ideas being examined and criticised. I see no attacks on anyone. I did. Well, I am one of the participants in the discussion and did not see any attacks. We are merely discussing why it is a good idea to have the option to cancel a running fsck. Others are advising to not rely on that but make sure the fsck does not start when it is not convenient, my side tries to tell that such an occasion is so rare one will forget to use that option. Bonno Bloksma -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/89d1798a7351d040b4e74e0a043c69d7a83d8...@einexch-01.tio.nl
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
Le Tuesday 09 December 2014 16:36:53, The Wanderer a écrit : On 12/09/2014 at 10:09 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now acceptable, possible, tolerated? That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Do you mean *before* shutdown? Obviously, during shutdown means during the shutdown process, i.e., during the sequence of shutting-down-the-system steps which takes place in response to a shutdown command. That sequence already does several things prior to actually shutting down the system; perhaps most obviously, it tells various services to stop cleanly, kills other processes, and unmounts filesystems. There seems as if there should be no conceptual reason why it shouldn't be possible to add an additional run a fsck step into that sequence, probably after the unmount and before the final shutdown itself. ...except that fsck of root during the boot process is possible only because root hasn't been mounted yet, because we're still in the initramfs and haven't pivoted into the real root yet. So making that possible during shutdown would probably require setting up another ramdisk during the shutdown process (which sounds like a bad idea), pivoting into it, unmounting the original root, and then triggering the fsck... The partition only need to be remounted read only. if I'm understanding it correctly. That's what /etc/init.d/umountroot does during the shutdown sequence. So everything is in place to run fsck just before /etc/rc0.d/K10halt. Now two questions remain: 1) how to invoke an additional hypothetical /etc/rc0.d/K10fsck on demand? 2) is it wise to run fsck at that time? I have seen strong opposition in the past. Mostly turning around the risk that the user would switch the power off or the power supply would fail resulting in a damaged partition. As the risk seems as high during the boot sequence, I don't understand the opposition. All in all, while it *might* be possible, I don't think it sounds like that would be worth the trouble. That's probably right too... Frederic -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201412100730.53734.frederic.marc...@wowtechnology.com
How to guess how to add the key of a repo (GPG, apt-key add,...)
Hi all I have to use a repo: http://open.iabsis.com/debian/ When adding it in my sources, apt complains about not having GPG key about it. Would you know how to guess the gpg invocation (server, key,...) in order to import it to apt? Thank you.
Re: Skipping fsck during boot with systemd?
On 10/12/2014 09:30, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Le Tuesday 09 December 2014 16:36:53, The Wanderer a écrit : On 12/09/2014 at 10:09 AM, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Dec 09, 2014 at 09:48:58AM +0100, Frédéric Marchal wrote: Now, is it possible to run fsck during shutdown? Users have been asking for this for at least 10 years. Is it now acceptable, possible, tolerated? That sounds like a recipe for disaster. Do you mean *before* shutdown? Obviously, during shutdown means during the shutdown process, i.e., during the sequence of shutting-down-the-system steps which takes place in response to a shutdown command. That sequence already does several things prior to actually shutting down the system; perhaps most obviously, it tells various services to stop cleanly, kills other processes, and unmounts filesystems. There seems as if there should be no conceptual reason why it shouldn't be possible to add an additional run a fsck step into that sequence, probably after the unmount and before the final shutdown itself. ...except that fsck of root during the boot process is possible only because root hasn't been mounted yet, because we're still in the initramfs and haven't pivoted into the real root yet. So making that possible during shutdown would probably require setting up another ramdisk during the shutdown process (which sounds like a bad idea), pivoting into it, unmounting the original root, and then triggering the fsck... The partition only need to be remounted read only. if I'm understanding it correctly. That's what /etc/init.d/umountroot does during the shutdown sequence. So everything is in place to run fsck just before /etc/rc0.d/K10halt. Now two questions remain: 1) how to invoke an additional hypothetical /etc/rc0.d/K10fsck on demand? 2) is it wise to run fsck at that time? I have seen strong opposition in the past. Mostly turning around the risk that the user would switch the power off or the power supply would fail resulting in a damaged partition. As the risk seems as high during the boot sequence, I don't understand the opposition. All in all, while it *might* be possible, I don't think it sounds like that would be worth the trouble. That's probably right too... Frederic In the case of regularly failing power it would probably be more often inconvenient to run fsck at shutdown. In general when we choose to shutdown it is for good reasons I guess, so a long wait may has more risk to be a nuisance then than during boot? But I don't see why we couldn't get a nagging prompt to run fsck at any of boot or shutdown time when it's due, with option to cancel it. After all I think even Windows gives you this control and allow the user to opt-out of a disk check for a short time before starting it (at least it's what I remember from the Windows 7 I have used). In the long run better file-systems and online check may relegate all this to the museum of horrors, but in the meantime being able to interrupt fsck seems like the best and only option covering all use cases. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5487f0cd.6030...@googlemail.com
Testing needed for xorg-server security update
Hi, there's been a new release of xorg-server fixing multiple security vulnerabilities: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-announce/2014-December/002500.html The update is ready for Wheezy/stable and has been successfully tested on an Intel graphics adapter. But since different hardware will exercise different code paths and since the backported patches are rather huge in size, so I'd like to have some additional pre-release testing on people running Debian stable/wheezy with the nouveau driver or the radeon driver. (Additional testing with the intel driver would be great as well). You can fetch the updated packages for i386 and amd64 at http://people.debian.org/~jmm/ Since a lot of the changes involve GLX, you could e.g. test with OpenArena or Nexuiz. Playing games _and_ helping out Debian, when do you ever have the chance for that :-) Please report success or errors to t...@security.debian.org Cheers, Moritz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141210055604.GA3114@pisco.westfalen.local
Re: WebRTC - was Re: no microphone in skype
On 08/12/2014, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/12/2014, kamaraju kusumanchi raju.mailingli...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Dec 7, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Andreas Weber ae...@worldwideweber.ch wrote: On 2014-12-06 22:31, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Andreas Weber ae...@worldwideweber.ch wrote: On 2014-12-06 05:28, Gary Dale wrote: The problem is that Skype uses proprietary codecs and closed-source code. They're simply not very good at keeping it working with Linux. I do not understand what you mean here. As per https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebRTC , WebRTC is just an API. What is the equivalent of Skype that uses WebRTC? Firefox 34 has built-in video calls. It's called Hello. Enabling is nicely described here if you don't see the icon: http://askubuntu.com/questions/556102/no-hello-icon-in-firefox-34 Thanks for the info and the link. It is helpful. However, my iceweasel version is 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1 and Jessie currently has 31.2.0esr-3. I see that Iceweasel 34 is only in experimental. I will try your work around when it hits testing. raju From what I understand, from what I have found so far, the WebRTC thing appears to be implemented as a useable medium, in each of Google Chrome, Mozilla Firefox (v34) and Opera for Android (but, from what I have found so far, the facility in Opera, is available for only Android cellphones, and, not for desktop or laptop / notebook computers, as I have tried without success, to find how to implement it in Opera v26, running on a laptop / notebook computer. I think that this Web RTC thing, is something that requires further investigation (and, trying to find other people with whom to experiment in terms of trying to connect using the medium, like I did with Ekiga and Linphone, before I gave up on them as being unworkable) -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 Where I refer to Debian 7, below, it is the amd64 version. The iceweasel that I have installed on Debian 7, apparently does not include, in the about:config, the variable loop.throttled (see http://askubuntu.com/questions/556102/no-hello-icon-in-firefox-34 ) and so, appears to be not compatible with WebRTC. In the version of SeaMonkey, that I have installed on Debian 7, the same applies (I thought that I should try to do it in SeaMonkey, in case that would work). I can not find how to enable WebRTC in Opera, for either Debian Linux, or for MS Windows 8.x. I have, however, apparently managed, by following the instructions at http://askubuntu.com/questions/556102/no-hello-icon-in-firefox-34 to get WebRTC enabled in the version of Firefox, that is installed on a MS Windows 8.1 system. Thus, it appears (to me) that WebRTC is available for MS Windows 8.1, via Firefox, but, not for Debian Linux 7 amd64. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cacx6j8nmab4eedpqtnx_tyv0kcfklwllh+_x-gok9hoh4sk...@mail.gmail.com
