Re: looking for a sound waveform viewer, but not audacity for reasons explained

2015-07-02 Thread Bob Bernstein

On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, Doug wrote:


And, I have a nice 200MHz Tektronix analog scope!


g --green


But if I don't have to hook it up, fine!


Sounds to me, sir, that your motivation to gaze at 
waveforms may leave a lot to be desired! Either hook 
up the gosh-darn thing or put it on a UPS truck 
addressed to me!!


But Wait! You're not the one who actually said he 
wanted to gaze at waveforms! Never Mind.


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Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby

On 07/02/2015 03:52 AM, Wilko Fokken wrote:

In the past times, depending on a serial modem for internet access,
I preferred Opera, because it allows to switch ANY graphics OFF // ON
through simple menu buttons:

[View]-- [Images]-- { [Show images] || [Cached Images] || [No Images] }

(Any of the three options can be made the default, to be altered according
to one's need while browsing.)

So I had No Images as my default, starting Opera in text only modus;
this allowed me to move between URLs pretty fast, and when I had reached
an interesting URL, I could easily turn on graphics mode.

As pure text browsers, I prefer both: elinks and lynx.




Displaying images or not has very few things related to the browser 
heavyness and celerity/velocity.
What the OP asked for is a lightweitght browser (memory footprint) and 
potentially velocity in rendering pages (CPU cycle usage).



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Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread Stuart Longland
On 01/07/15 16:21, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
 Hi all the listers.
 
 I have an old Hyundai Notebook too slow for Gnome, in fact I installed openbox
 as Window Manager in it and am happy with it and think I'll be using it for
 good, so simple fast and essential as it is.  As web browser, Midori was
 claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox.

What are the specs of this machine?  I haven't tried Chromium, but on
one old laptop (PII 300MHz, 160MB RAM) I tried installing Firefox 35.

Out of the box config on Firefox had the thing rattling its swap
constantly.  There were some options that I could tweak that made it a
little better, but not by much, it was still as slow as a 5-day Ashes test.

I'm not sure if Webkit would fare better, I could dig up those settings
if you're interested.
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I haven't lost my mind...
  ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.


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Re: [OT] Re: Llamadas por Messenger facebook

2015-07-02 Thread Adrià
On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 07:21:00PM -0300, Pablo JIMÉNEZ wrote:
 Ojo con Telegram:
 
 http://elrincondelsoftware.es/telegram-fraude-inseguro-espionaje/
 http://www.redeszone.net/2014/02/05/telegram-no-es-tan-seguro-como-aparenta-ser/
 
 No hay que olvidar la salida repentina desde Rusia de Pavel Durov:

Es lo de siempre: para poder decir si es o no seguro habría que
revisar el código, y ésto no es posible a día de hoy[0].

Lo de las entradas y salidas de un país (que en el caso de Rusia es
tan grande que si quieres no te encuentran ni los osos), lo de enviar
la policía de turno a casa del cabeza de turco de turno...  son
movimientos para llevar a un terreno físico conflictos virtuales.

Si queremos alternativas seguras, las tenemos[1].

[0] http://elbinario.net/2015/03/07/telegram-no-es-libre-es-open-source/
[1] https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/
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Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread Bret Busby
On 02/07/2015, Wilko Fokken wfok...@web.de wrote:
 In the past times, depending on a serial modem for internet access,
 I preferred Opera, because it allows to switch ANY graphics OFF // ON
 through simple menu buttons:


A problem with the opera web browser, that causes me to avoid using
recent versions, and to avoid updating, and, to recommend against
installing it, is the inclusion of the malware named speed dial, and,
the obsession of the opera staff, with preventing users from disabling
the malware that is named speed dial.

As soon as someone finds how to disable speed dial, the opera people
prevent speed dial from being disabled in the next version.

So, for a web browser that is efficient, I suggest lynx.

And, I recommend against installing opera.

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abiword se lance au démarrage

2015-07-02 Thread Pierre Crescenzo
Bonjour,

Depuis le passage à gnome-shell 3.16 (en testing), j'ai un abiword qui se
lance automatiquement à la connexion. Et je n'ai plus de
gnome-shell-properties, et je ne trouve pas abiword dans les applications
au démarrage données par gnome-tweak-tools.

Sauriez-vous comment éviter ce lancement automatique dans gnome-shell 3.16
? Merci.

Amitiés,

Pierre Crescenzo
  mailto:pie...@crescenzo.nom.fr
  http://www.crescenzo.nom.fr/


Re: Escritorio remoto Gnome

2015-07-02 Thread Antonio Trujillo Carmona
El 01/07/15 a las 15:27, Pablo JIMÉNEZ escribió:
 On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 03:01:27PM +0200, Antonio Trujillo Carmona wrote:
 El 23/06/15 a las 00:11, Lic. Manuel Salgado escribió:

 Saludos a todos:
 Alguien experimentado puede darme una mano sobre la via de conectar a
 un escritorio remoto cuyo gestor de sesiones X es gdm3 con su
 respectivo Gnome, mi duda va tanto como con Ubuntu o debian, en ambos
 me pasa lo mismo. Les ilustro lo que necesito y mi escenario: En mi PC
 tengo Ubuntu 14.04 MATE y necesito hacer conexiones a escritorios de
 servidores que estan en subredes que administro, los cuales tienen
 squeeze y otros Ubuntu 10.04. Lo que deseo es poder conectar a
 sesiones graficas de esos servidores al estilo como lo hacia en
 windows, independientemente del usuario que este logueado o incluso
 cuando no hay ningun usuario logueado, esta ultima manera me ha dado
 muchos dolores de cabeza. Siguiendo un tuto de Youtube he optado por
 la via de Xrdp en cada uno de esos servidores, y desde mi pc a traves
 de remmina establezco una conexion de tipo RDP, y el problema es que
 al configurar los datos (usuario, contraseña, etc) y conectar, lo hace
 pero no se muestra nada mas que una pantalla en negro. No hay
 problemas de filtrado de cortafuegos ni algo por el estilo, todos
 estos puestos estan abiertos.
 Gracias por adelantado cualquier ayuda.

 mira xrdp y/o vnc-server
 Más que vnc-server a secas, x11vnc. Y si usa lightdm, éste incluye VNC 
 dentro de sus opciones de configuración.

 Saludos.
Si es un servidor, de verdad, que no se accede de forma directa a el
(incluso podría ser virtual), instalar un servidor en consola es absudo.
Yo tengo algúna maquina virtual (si alguien tiene que acceder al
escritorio para mi ya no es un servidor) y les configuro el vncserver
(como servidor X) y xrdp para que les sea fácil conectarse a los
usuarios remotos, nada de lightdm o dgm o kdm.




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Re: file like README.mirrors.txt recording mirrors not exists

2015-07-02 Thread Reco
 Hi.

On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 01:08:01PM +0800, mudongliang wrote:
 Today , I want to download mirrors file from 
 http://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt!
 Suddenly, I found this file not exists!

No, it's there. Check your local setup.

$ wget -qO - http://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | wc -l
829

 Then , I check the file in http://ftp.debian.org/debian !

It's not a file. It's a directory.


 There is no file has the function of this file!

Unable to parse. Translation needed.


 I found file named README.mirrors.html,but it is blank!

No, it's not.

$ wget -qO - http://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html | wc -l
3329


It would help if you provide less exclamation marks and more details.
Such as:

- Which tool you have used to download these files.

- What does tcpdump has to say about all this.

Reco


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Re: System freeze with multiple ttys in Debian Jessie

2015-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 10:50:07 +0100, Brian wrote:

 Systemd handles the terminals so this very much looks like a bug in
 that package. Do you intend to report it? I don't see what is special
 about tty1.

I'm having doubts that systemd is involved in this issue. Installing
sysvinit-core and purging systemd results in similar behaviour when
X is started on tty1. There is no hanging this time but returning to
a tty after logging out of one doesn't occur most of the time. When
it does happen it is almost as though pressing keys at random is the
trigger. A bug in xinit?

My ~/.xsession:

  xterm 
  exec fvwm


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Re: e2fsck dans crontab

2015-07-02 Thread andre_debian
On Wednesday 01 July 2015 14:38:02 Sébastien NOBILI wrote:
 Le mercredi 01 juillet 2015 à 14:21, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
  Le script du fichier binaire verifsda2 :
#!/bin/bash
e2fsck -p /dev/sda2

 Script ou fichier binaire, il va falloir choisir.
 Un fichier binaire contient des données binaires qu'on ne pourra donc pas
 lire avec un éditeur de texte. En général, dans le cas d'un exécutable,
 c'est le résultat d'une compilation.
 Un script est (dans le cas qui nous intéresse ici) un fichier texte (donc
 pas binaire) contenant une succession de commandes à exécuter (voire des
 tests si tu es joueur et que tu as du temps à perdre).
 Là c'est donc bien d'un script qu'on parle.
  La ligne de crontab :
  30 7   * * *   /opt/adm/./verifsda2

 Tu n'as pas répondu à deux questions :
 - dans la crontab de quel utilisateur as-tu mis cette ligne ? :
root
 - vois-tu des lignes Cron correspondant au lancement de ton script dans
 les journaux système ? :
Aucune erreur dans /var/log/cron

Si je tape à la mano :
# e2fsck /dev/sda2
sda2 : propre, 643311/19537920 fichiers, 5140180/78120078 blocs 
(vérification dans 3 montages).

Ce qui veut dire que même si je lance la commande de vérification
du système de fichiers, il va quand même le faire tous les X montages.

André

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Re: file like README.mirrors.txt recording mirrors not exists

2015-07-02 Thread mudongliang


On 07/02/2015 05:23 PM, Reco wrote:

  Hi.

On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 01:08:01PM +0800, mudongliang wrote:

Today , I want to download mirrors file from 
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt!
Suddenly, I found this file not exists!

No, it's there. Check your local setup.

$ wget -qO - http://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | wc -l
829


Then , I check the file in http://ftp.debian.org/debian !

It's not a file. It's a directory.



There is no file has the function of this file!

Unable to parse. Translation needed.



I found file named README.mirrors.html,but it is blank!

No, it's not.

$ wget -qO - http://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.html | wc -l
3329


It would help if you provide less exclamation marks and more details.
Such as:

- Which tool you have used to download these files.

I saw the situation in the browser at that time!

When I saw it , the file actually did not exist! And the html file was 
blank!

But now it exists! Maybe at that time the ftp masters were uploading files!
Thank you for explaining to me!


- What does tcpdump has to say about all this.

Reco





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Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread Rodolfo Medina
Mihamina Rakotomandimby mihamina.rakotomandi...@rktmb.org writes:

 On 07/02/2015 03:52 AM, Wilko Fokken wrote:
 In the past times, depending on a serial modem for internet access,
 I preferred Opera, because it allows to switch ANY graphics OFF // ON
 through simple menu buttons:

 [View]-- [Images]-- { [Show images] || [Cached Images] || [No Images] }

 (Any of the three options can be made the default, to be altered according
 to one's need while browsing.)

 So I had No Images as my default, starting Opera in text only modus;
 this allowed me to move between URLs pretty fast, and when I had reached
 an interesting URL, I could easily turn on graphics mode.

 As pure text browsers, I prefer both: elinks and lynx.



 Displaying images or not has very few things related to the browser heavyness
 and celerity/velocity.  What the OP asked for is a lightweitght browser
 (memory footprint) and potentially velocity in rendering pages (CPU cycle
 usage).

I thought downloading images slowed down a lot...

Thanks to listers for all the suggestions.  But with Dillo, Lynx, w3m, Netsurf,
with all of them I have the same problem: I can't access my e-mail account on
www.libero.it: when I try to, I'm redirected on the previous page.  Please
anybody knows why and how to fix that?

Thanks,

Rodolfo


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Re: Einträge aus der sources.list.de entfernen

2015-07-02 Thread tomas
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On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 05:31:22AM +0200, diana.bett...@gmx.de wrote:
 Hallo in die Runde,

Hallo, Diana

diese Mailingliste ist englischsprachig. Sehr wahrscheinlich verstehen
Dich die meisten Leute hier nicht. Du kannst aber ruhig gebrochen
Englisch schreiben, die meisten von uns sind auch keine Muttersprachler/innen.

Andererseits gibt es hier:

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-user-german/

eine deutschsprachige Debian-Benutzer/innenliste. Obwohl vermutlich da
weniger los ist (Vorteil oder Nachteil).

Nochwas: versuche, Deine Mails in plain text zu halten. Die meisten
mögen hier kein HTML in Mails.

OK, genug Zeigefinger -- und sorry dafür, jetzt zu Deiner Frage:

 mit welchen Befehlen lassen sich Einträge aus der sources.list.d
 entfernen? Wie ist da die genaue Syntax?

Die /etc/apt/sources.list.d (ich nehme an, Du meinst das) ist ein
Verzeichnis, in dem verschiedene Quellen für die Pakete Deiner
Distribution aufgeführt sind. Jede Quelle ist in einer eigenen
Klartextdatei. Diese *müssen* die Endung .list tragen, damit sie
wirksam sind.

Wenn Du in einer Konsole bist, und z.B. den Eintrag (ich erfinde
einen Namen -- blub) entfernen willst, dann kannst Du

  sudo rm /etc/apt/sources.list.d/blub.list

(sudo, weil Du admin-Rechte brauchst, um das zu tun). Aber VORSICHT:
wenn Du das tust, dann ist der Eintrag für immer weg!

Ein etwas stressfreierer Weg ist, z.b. das umzubenennen, etwa:

  sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list.d/blub.list 
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/blub.list.unbenutzt

Dadurch, dass es jetzt nicht mehr die Endung .list hat, sondern
.unbenutzt wird es nicht mehr berücksichtigt (und nebenbei hast
Du für Dich später dokumentiert ja, ich hatte diesen Eintrag mal
und habe ihn ausgeschaltet).

ACHTUNG: danach musst Du ein sudo aptitude update bzw.
sudo apt-get update machen, damit Deine Paketverwaltung ihre
Listen verfügbarer Pakete auffrischt. Manche grafische Paketverwaltungen
haben dafür auch einen Knopf (sowas wie Paketquellen aktualisieren).

Frage ruhig nach, wenn irgendetwas unklar ist.

lg
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Re: Configurar PC con IP fijas sin router ni internet SOLUCIONADO (a medias)

2015-07-02 Thread Rodolfo Edgar
El 30/6/15, Eduardo Jorge Gil Michelena egis_e...@yahoo.com.ar escribió:
 Solucioné (a medias) el problema con la conectividad de los Debian.

 Como se trata de una red sin acceso a Internet parece que no había que
 ponerle un gateway (realmente no es necesario ruteo alguno)

Puede usarse si se van a conectar otros segmentos de red diferentes a
los que tienes, por ejemplo para conectar un segmento 192.168.0.0/24 a
otro con 172.16.0.0/12 algo asi en general el router se usa para
conectar a otras redes como internet por ejemplo.

Si es una lan no es necesario, solo switch de capa 2 sería suficiente


 Pues esto parece que funciona pero... en mis Debian (7 y 8) no pudo
 ser...

 Al final conecté los Debian al Switch  y este a un router genérico (un
 Dlink dir 610) puse la dirección del router como gateway y funcionó

Nose comos ea el scenario, pero es suficeinte con switch y las
terminales para estar en red
 :-)

 La configuración la hice por medio del archivo
 /etc/network/interfaces

 porque en algunas PC no estaba instalado el nm-connection-editor y en
 otras tampoco estaba el ifconfig ¿puede ser esto?

 auto lo
 iface lo inet loopback
 # Static IP address
 auto eth0
 iface eth0 inet static
 address 192.168.0.110 (111--117)
 netmask 255.255.255.0
 network 192.168.0.0
 broadcast 192.168.0.255
 gateway 192.168.0.1

 Así funciona la red dando correcto el ping con devoluciones OK...

Es básico eso, en primero lugar ni hace falta network ni broadcast ni
gateway, por q? solo es suficiente address y netmask, debian ya lo
añade lo demas.

si son terminales con interfaz gráfica debes usar su gestor grafico y
no usar archivos, porq ya el gestor hara todo correcto, si es una
estacion sin interfaz grafica ahi si debes editar archivos en este
caso para poner los aprametros de red.


POR ahi he leido que ifconfig no lo encuentras, ahora en gnu/linux ya
esta obsoleto ifconfig para ver las interfaces, ahora se usa ip a,
escribes IP A y enter y te muestra a detalle las interfaces.

Tu scenario es basico y no deberias de tener problemas, suerte


 PING 192.168.0.1 (192.168.0.1) 56(84) bytes of data.
 64 bytes from 192.168.0.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.054 ms

 ^C
 --- 192.168.0.1 ping statistics ---
 5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 3998ms
 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.054/0.072/0.085/0.015 ms

 

 Esto pasa en Debian...
 Si saco el router se cae la red aunque todas las PC están conectadas
 al Switch y el router está en una punta sin salida. Esto NO IMPORTA
 por el momento.

 Con las PC de otros Linux (Xubuntu, UbuntuStudio,Mint) y con las de
 Win la conectividad se verifica aún sin router (sólo switch) cosa que
 no ocurre con Debian...

 Bueno... por ahora esto no importa. Veré luego por qué ocurre esta
 cosa.

 GRACIAS a la gente que ha aportado alguna ayuda.

 Saludos.




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Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread Glyn Astill

 From: Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 19:15
Subject: Re: Light web browser for old PC
 

On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:52:03AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
 On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
 Hi ... As web browser, Midori was
 claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox.  Please 
 any
 advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine?
 

Netsurf? Midori?

I have been very impressed by netsurf and the good people behind it :)



+1 for netsurf here.


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Re: problem with display breaking up

2015-07-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 02 July 2015 01:16:02 David Christensen wrote:
 On 07/01/2015 01:54 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
  A client is reporting the following problem:
  The break up of the picture always occurs after I have just logged in
  and then click the mouse cursor onto an icon such as icedove or
  iceweasel
  When clicking the mouse on an icon eg.for icedove or iceweasel, the
  picture fragments sometimes.
  We have more or less excluded the monitor.  File corruption is not
  unlikely, given that he has been handling a mouse problem by turning the
  computer off at the wall.  The computer eventually failed to boot, but
  that has been fixed with an fsck.  I have fsck'ed every partition on the
  hard drive. Do I try installing another video card?  But it feels like a
  software problem. So where next?
  The mouse problem has been fixed by using a different usb port.
  I have googled and got nowhere.
  Any ideas where next, please.  Try a new video card to eliminate it as
  a possible cause?  And have video card driver problems. :-(

 I would:

 1.  Backup data and system configuration settings.

 2.  Take an image of the system drive.

 3.  Test the power supply with a hardware power supply tester.

 4.  Test the RAM with BIOS, memtest86+, etc..

 5.  Test the hard disk and/or solid state drive(s) with bootable
 manufacturer's diagnostic utilities disc(s).

 6.  Remove the system drive and install another.

 7.  Test and wipe the new system drive.

 8.  Install Debian Wheezy and desired applications.

 9.  Restore data and/or system configuration settings.

Thanks, David, for all these ideas.  Hopefully, for now the owner is about to 
test using a different DE, since we have established that it always happens 
when launching applications after log-in, so could be DE related.

Thank goodness he is now using ctrl-alt-delete rather than the switch on the 
wall.

This started as:
My computer's died.  I need a new computer.  So we are progressing.

Lisi


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Re: e2fsck dans crontab

2015-07-02 Thread Guillaume

Bonjour,

il faut utiliser comme ceci pour forcer le check:

e2fsck -f /dev/sda2

Le 02/07/2015 11:11, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

On Wednesday 01 July 2015 14:38:02 Sébastien NOBILI wrote:

Le mercredi 01 juillet 2015 à 14:21, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

Le script du fichier binaire verifsda2 :

#!/bin/bash
e2fsck -p /dev/sda2

Script ou fichier binaire, il va falloir choisir.
Un fichier binaire contient des données binaires qu'on ne pourra donc pas
lire avec un éditeur de texte. En général, dans le cas d'un exécutable,
c'est le résultat d'une compilation.
Un script est (dans le cas qui nous intéresse ici) un fichier texte (donc
pas binaire) contenant une succession de commandes à exécuter (voire des
tests si tu es joueur et que tu as du temps à perdre).
Là c'est donc bien d'un script qu'on parle.

La ligne de crontab :
30 7   * * *   /opt/adm/./verifsda2

Tu n'as pas répondu à deux questions :
 - dans la crontab de quel utilisateur as-tu mis cette ligne ? :

root

 - vois-tu des lignes Cron correspondant au lancement de ton script dans
les journaux système ? :

Aucune erreur dans /var/log/cron

Si je tape à la mano :
# e2fsck /dev/sda2
sda2 : propre, 643311/19537920 fichiers, 5140180/78120078 blocs
(vérification dans 3 montages).

Ce qui veut dire que même si je lance la commande de vérification
du système de fichiers, il va quand même le faire tous les X montages.

André




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Re: a simpler printing question

2015-07-02 Thread Brian
On Wed 01 Jul 2015 at 17:40:25 -0700, bri...@aracnet.com wrote:

 On Wed, 1 Jul 2015 23:23:36 +0200
 Siard shiems...@kpnplanet.nl wrote:
 
  [Settings]
  gtk-print-backends = file,lpr
 
 Thank you so much !
 
 That was the problem.
 
 evinces now prints to lpr.
 
 :-)

Splendid.

Siard's timely contribution seems to give you all that you want from
lprng. Are you thinking of filing a wishlist bug against its documention
to have this gtk3 advice included alongside what is there for gtk2?


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Re: Einträge aus der sources.list.de entfernen

2015-07-02 Thread tomas
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Re: mierda de icedove y el html

2015-07-02 Thread Antonio Trujillo Carmona
El 01/07/15 a las 15:22, Camaleón escribió:
 El Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:50:03 +0200, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escribió:

 (...)

 font size=+1ttLa solución de Camaleon es mejor pues no puedo
 desactivarlo para todos por exigencias del trabajo.br
 Salud y gracias.br
   /tt/font
 Pues no parece que funcione ;-)

 Saludos,

Para responder a esto he pulsado Ctrl + responder a la lista y en la
configuración tengo a debian-user-spanish como Prefiere recibir el
mensaje formateado como: Texto sin formato
¿Que mas puedo hacer?
En el evolution tenia una opción, en el momento de la edición, con el
que podía cambiar de formato,
En el icedove, lo mas parecido es Opciones-Formato de Entrega-Sólo
texto sin formato.
Pero parece que ni es automatico ni funciona siempre (creo porque en los
comentarios veo lineas en lugar de ).
 


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Re: System freeze with multiple ttys in Debian Jessie

2015-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 07:07:58 +0200, August Karlstrom wrote:

 On 2015-07-02 00:20, Brian wrote:
 Suppose you reboot. You will be on tty1 afterwards. Change to tty2, log
 in and then log out with the exit command. Are you still on tty2?
 
 Yes, this works as expected. I then logged in on tty1 and started X.
 Then I logged in and out of tty2 four times and the computer behaved
 differently each time. On the first logout from tty2 I saw X on tty1
 flashing by before ending up on the tty2 login prompt. On the second
 logout from tty2 I ended up in X on tty1 (but with no freeze). The
 third logout was like the first with X flashing by. On the fourth
 logout I ended up in X on tty1 again but now the computer hanged
 completely.

Well, well, so it does. Not quite with the same sequence but logging
out from any terminal puts you back to X on tty1 and I can get a freeze
by trying to switch back to a terminal. None of this happens for me if
X is started on any terminal other than tty1.

Systemd handles the terminals so this very much looks like a bug in
that package. Do you intend to report it? I don't see what is special
about tty1.


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Re: mierda de icedove y el html

2015-07-02 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:22:35 +0200, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escribió:

 El 01/07/15 a las 15:22, Camaleón escribió:
 El Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:50:03 +0200, Antonio Trujillo Carmona escribió:

 (...)

 font size=+1ttLa solución de Camaleon es mejor pues no puedo
 desactivarlo para todos por exigencias del trabajo.br
 Salud y gracias.br
   /tt/font
 Pues no parece que funcione ;-)

 Para responder a esto he pulsado Ctrl + responder a la lista y en la
 configuración tengo a debian-user-spanish como Prefiere recibir el
 mensaje formateado como: Texto sin formato
 ¿Que mas puedo hacer?

Las opciones del contacto que tienes en la agenda tienen preferencia 
sobre el resto de configuraciones de formato de los correos, tanto para 
enviar un nuevo mensaje como para reenviar o responder. 

Si no funciona, entiendo que se trataría de un bug del que habría que 
informar. Yo acabo de hacer la prueba (Thunderbird 38.0.1) y parece que 
sí lo respeta, ojo, aunque en el modo de edición lo veas como html, al 
enviarlo sale como texto plano. 

 En el evolution tenia una opción, en el momento de la edición, con el
 que podía cambiar de formato,
 En el icedove, lo mas parecido es Opciones-Formato de Entrega-Sólo
 texto sin formato.

Sí, esa es la opción disponible desde la ventana de edición.

 Pero parece que ni es automatico ni funciona siempre (creo porque en los
 comentarios veo lineas en lugar de ).

Esa opción no es automática, tienes que acordarte de seleccionarla en 
cada mensaje en el tiempo de edición. Por otra parte, no te fíes mucho de 
cómo ves el mensaje desde el cliente de correo; para saber el formato de 
un correo consulta la cabecera.

Saludos,

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Re: [OT] Re: Llamadas por Messenger facebook

2015-07-02 Thread Pablo JIMÉNEZ
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 10:47:24AM -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto wrote:
 
 
 El 02/07/15 a las 10:09, Camaleón escribió:
 El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:53:43 +0200, Adrià escribió:
 
 On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 07:21:00PM -0300, Pablo JIMÉNEZ wrote:
 Ojo con Telegram:
 
 http://elrincondelsoftware.es/telegram-fraude-inseguro-espionaje/
 http://www.redeszone.net/2014/02/05/telegram-no-es-tan-seguro-como-
 aparenta-ser/
 
 No hay que olvidar la salida repentina desde Rusia de Pavel Durov:
 
 Es lo de siempre: para poder decir si es o no seguro habría que revisar
 el código, y ésto no es posible a día de hoy[0].
 
 Creo que el autor del artículo [0] confunde términos. Telegram (la parte
 servidora) ni es open source (cuya propia licencia permitiría que se
 revisara el código fuente) ni es libre. Es, simplemente, código
 propietario y cerrado.
 
 (...)
 
 Si queremos alternativas seguras, las tenemos[1].
 
 [0] http://elbinario.net/2015/03/07/telegram-no-es-libre-es-open-source/
 [1] https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/
 
 Yo prefiero hablar de protocolos antes que de programas/servicios por eso
 me quedo con SIP/VoIP (para la voz) y XMPP (para mensajitos) :-)
 
 Saludos,
 
 Estoy de acuerdo con vos Camaleón pero el problema de las alternativas
 es motivar a la gente a que las use. Mi XMPP está solito ahí en el
 Pidgin porque nadie de mi círculo de personas allegadas, familiares,
 relaciones laborales, etx. se pasan a ese protocolo. La gente consume
 lo que le ofrecen con una presión publicitaria importante o simplemente
 porque ya viene con el aparatito. Whatsapp ya está en el celular, y
 cuando les decís, pasate a Telegram, me dicen, pero eso no lo uso con
 Nadie. O, usá también XMPP para chatear, y se me quedan mirando como
 que les estoy hablando en chino mandarín del interior.
 La evangelización del software libre y los estándares abiertos en lenta.

Creo que más que una evangelización del software libre y los estándares 
abiertos (Facebook emplea XMPP, Google Talk/Hangouts funciona con XMPP, 
otro caso es la empresa coreano-japonesa Naver Corporation y su LINE; 
creo que Microsoft también se vale de XMPP en Lync Server, así que 
podemos ver que varias compañías reconocen los méritos de XMPP como 
estándar abierto), el gran problema pasa por la constante creación de 
«jardines amurallados» en base a protocolos abiertos. Si no se hace 
masivo ni hay incentivos para el uso de los sistemas de mensajería 
instantánea «federados», los usuarios comunes y corrientes no tendrán 
motivos para no seguir encerrádose más y más en los servicios de un 
proveedor en particular.

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/google-backslides-on-federated-instant-messaging-on-purpose
https://www.fsf.org/blogs/sysadmin/google-reinstates-federated-instant-messaging
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5250579

Saludos.

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Connexion réseau Lan hs

2015-07-02 Thread André
Bonjour,

Dans mon réseau à domicile,
j'ai deux PC reliés par câbles ethernet via une Box
IP en mode DHCP auto.
(l'un sous Jessie 32 bits et l'autre 64 bits)

Je lance un ping sur l'autre machine :

ping 192.168.0.18
PING 192.168.0.18 (192.168.0.18) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.0.18: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.599 ms (DUP!)
22 packets transmitted, 2 received, +2 duplicates, 90% packet loss

(DUP = Duplicate).

Inversement ping 192.168.0.13, n'envoie qu'un paquet sur ~10.

J'ai relancé le réseau sur les 2 PC, pareil.

Si je lance un ping sur internet, p. ex. ping free.fr, depuis les 2 PC, 
impeccable.

Serait-ce la carte réseau ethernet d'un PC qui en serait la cause ?

Merci.

André

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Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread Mihamina Rakotomandimby

On 07/02/2015 02:25 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:

Displaying images or not has very few things related to the browser heavyness
and celerity/velocity.  What the OP asked for is a lightweitght browser
(memory footprint) and potentially velocity in rendering pages (CPU cycle
usage).
I thought downloading images slowed down a lot...


If downloading images slows down, then it is the download which is slow. 
Not the browser.




Thanks to listers for all the suggestions.  But with Dillo, Lynx, w3m, Netsurf,
with all of them I have the same problem: I can't access my e-mail account on
www.libero.it: when I try to, I'm redirected on the previous page.  Please
anybody knows why and how to fix that?



Change the user agent of the browser your using to match some Firefox one.
Check http://whatsmyuseragent.com/CommonUserAgents


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Re: [OT] Re: Llamadas por Messenger facebook

2015-07-02 Thread Sergio Bessopeanetto



El 02/07/15 a las 10:09, Camaleón escribió:

El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:53:43 +0200, Adrià escribió:


On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 07:21:00PM -0300, Pablo JIMÉNEZ wrote:

Ojo con Telegram:

http://elrincondelsoftware.es/telegram-fraude-inseguro-espionaje/
http://www.redeszone.net/2014/02/05/telegram-no-es-tan-seguro-como-

aparenta-ser/


No hay que olvidar la salida repentina desde Rusia de Pavel Durov:


Es lo de siempre: para poder decir si es o no seguro habría que revisar
el código, y ésto no es posible a día de hoy[0].


Creo que el autor del artículo [0] confunde términos. Telegram (la parte
servidora) ni es open source (cuya propia licencia permitiría que se
revisara el código fuente) ni es libre. Es, simplemente, código
propietario y cerrado.

(...)


Si queremos alternativas seguras, las tenemos[1].

[0] http://elbinario.net/2015/03/07/telegram-no-es-libre-es-open-source/
[1] https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/


Yo prefiero hablar de protocolos antes que de programas/servicios por eso
me quedo con SIP/VoIP (para la voz) y XMPP (para mensajitos) :-)

Saludos,



Estoy de acuerdo con vos Camaleón pero el problema de las alternativas
es motivar a la gente a que las use. Mi XMPP está solito ahí en el
Pidgin porque nadie de mi círculo de personas allegadas, familiares,
relaciones laborales, etx. se pasan a ese protocolo. La gente consume
lo que le ofrecen con una presión publicitaria importante o simplemente
porque ya viene con el aparatito. Whatsapp ya está en el celular, y
cuando les decís, pasate a Telegram, me dicen, pero eso no lo uso con
Nadie. O, usá también XMPP para chatear, y se me quedan mirando como
que les estoy hablando en chino mandarín del interior.
La evangelización del software libre y los estándares abiertos en lenta.

Saludos

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Sobre la sincronizacion de Rsync a traves de ssh

2015-07-02 Thread Nicolas
Buenas amigos

Para empezar sincronice la claves ssh entre mi servidor de pagina web
y mi servidor de respaldo con tal que si yo hago ssh root@10.0.1.11
entra sin pedirme contraseña

Nota: Todo esto lo cree con el usuario root en ambas maquinas, es
decir que no hay diferencias de usuario; dentro de una DMZ.

Después cree un script: backup.sh dentro de /root

rsync -avhe ssh --delete /var/www root@10.0.1.11:/media/root/RAID/pw
--log-file=/root/rsync.log

y lo puse en un cron asi:

0 3 * * 1,2,3,4,5 /root/backup.sh  /root/backup.log 21

la primera vez funciono automáticamente, ahora solo funciona si lo
ejecuto manual, es decir si yo ejecuto el script con ./backup.sh

Pero con el cron me da el siguiente error y lo he buscado pero sale
todo en ingles cosa que no soy muy bueno ;-)

Permission denied, please try again.
Permission denied, please try again.
Permission denied (publickey,password).
rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]
rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0.7]

Le puse a mi servidor de respaldo a 777 sobre las carpetas a hacer
rsync y nada creyendo que era eso porque tenían 755

Lo mas raro es que tengo otro servidor que hace lo mismo y si funciona
la sincronización entre el y el servidor de respaldo diario y esta
igual.

Sera que tengo problemas con las llaves ssh?, entonces porque si yo
hago desde mi servidor de pagina web ssh 10.0.1.11 si entra sin
pedirme contraseña.

Porque manualmente si ejecuta el script y no a través del cron, no entiendo nada

Ayuda por favor,

Gracias
Nicolás Disquin


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Re: [OT] Re: Llamadas por Messenger facebook

2015-07-02 Thread Adrià
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 01:09:00PM +, Camaleón wrote:
 El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:53:43 +0200, Adrià escribió:
 
  On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 07:21:00PM -0300, Pablo JIMÉNEZ wrote:
  Ojo con Telegram:
  
  http://elrincondelsoftware.es/telegram-fraude-inseguro-espionaje/
  http://www.redeszone.net/2014/02/05/telegram-no-es-tan-seguro-como-
 aparenta-ser/
  
  No hay que olvidar la salida repentina desde Rusia de Pavel Durov:
  
  Es lo de siempre: para poder decir si es o no seguro habría que revisar
  el código, y ésto no es posible a día de hoy[0].
 
 Creo que el autor del artículo [0] confunde términos. Telegram (la parte 
 servidora) ni es open source (cuya propia licencia permitiría que se 
 revisara el código fuente) ni es libre. Es, simplemente, código 
 propietario y cerrado.

Ciertamente, y así se lo han hecho notar en el primer comentario. Es
muy fácil encontrar artículos donde se dice que es libre y más difícil
encontrar en los que se dice lo contrario.

 
 (...)
 
  Si queremos alternativas seguras, las tenemos[1].
  
  [0] http://elbinario.net/2015/03/07/telegram-no-es-libre-es-open-source/
  [1] https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/
 
 Yo prefiero hablar de protocolos antes que de programas/servicios por eso 
 me quedo con SIP/VoIP (para la voz) y XMPP (para mensajitos) :-)

Aunque su nombre no acabe en P, OTR es un protocolo :-)

Pero estos protocolos que comentas no son seguros _per se_, necesitan
vitaminas (OTR para XMPP, TLS+SRTP para SIP) y luego viene cómo lo
implementa cada solución (te sonará eso de que algun fabricante se
pasa los estándares por el arco de triunfo).

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Re: [OT] Re: Llamadas por Messenger facebook

2015-07-02 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 10:47:24 -0300, Sergio Bessopeanetto escribió:

 El 02/07/15 a las 10:09, Camaleón escribió:
 El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:53:43 +0200, Adrià escribió:

(...)

 Si queremos alternativas seguras, las tenemos[1].

 [0]
 http://elbinario.net/2015/03/07/telegram-no-es-libre-es-open-source/
 [1] https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/

 Yo prefiero hablar de protocolos antes que de programas/servicios por
 eso me quedo con SIP/VoIP (para la voz) y XMPP (para mensajitos) :-)


 Estoy de acuerdo con vos Camaleón pero el problema de las alternativas
 es motivar a la gente a que las use. Mi XMPP está solito ahí en el
 Pidgin porque nadie de mi círculo de personas allegadas, familiares,
 relaciones laborales, etx. se pasan a ese protocolo. La gente consume lo
 que le ofrecen con una presión publicitaria importante o simplemente
 porque ya viene con el aparatito. Whatsapp ya está en el celular, y
 cuando les decís, pasate a Telegram, me dicen, pero eso no lo uso con
 Nadie. O, usá también XMPP para chatear, y se me quedan mirando como que
 les estoy hablando en chino mandarín del interior.
 La evangelización del software libre y los estándares abiertos en lenta.

Se trata de saber amoldarse a lo que tengan los demás sin perder tu 
propia identidad.

¿Que familia/amigos tienen Whatsapp/Telegram/Viber/Line/[lo-que-sea]? 
Pues yo no, así que ya saben que me tienen o que llamar o mandar un SMS o 
un e-mail, así de simple porque yo no instalo eso ni harta de vino 
(además de que mi móvil es del año 2006 y no me lo permite). 

Entiendo (aunque no lo comparta) que no quieran pasar por el aro porque 
yo tampoco lo hago.

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Re: [OT] Re: Llamadas por Messenger facebook

2015-07-02 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:53:24 +0200, Adrià escribió:

 On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 01:09:00PM +, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

  Si queremos alternativas seguras, las tenemos[1].
  
  [0]
  http://elbinario.net/2015/03/07/telegram-no-es-libre-es-open-source/
  [1] https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/
 
 Yo prefiero hablar de protocolos antes que de programas/servicios por
 eso me quedo con SIP/VoIP (para la voz) y XMPP (para mensajitos) :-)
 
 Aunque su nombre no acabe en P, OTR es un protocolo :-)

Mientras esté normalizado/estandarizado, perfecto.
 
 Pero estos protocolos que comentas no son seguros _per se_, necesitan
 vitaminas (OTR para XMPP, TLS+SRTP para SIP) y luego viene cómo lo
 implementa cada solución (te sonará eso de que algun fabricante se pasa
 los estándares por el arco de triunfo).

Tampoco era seguro el SMTP y con TLS se soluciona. Quiero decir que no es 
necesario estar reinventando siempre la rueda, a veces con mejorarla es 
suficiente. 

Y quien se salte las especificaciones acabará condenado al ostracismo 
porque nadie usará su aplicación/API. Hasta las grandes (Cisco/Avaya, 
etc...) han tenido que claudicar con el protocolo SIP e integrarlo en sus 
soluciones de comunicaciones unificadas.

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Re: [OT] Re: Llamadas por Messenger facebook

2015-07-02 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:53:43 +0200, Adrià escribió:

 On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 07:21:00PM -0300, Pablo JIMÉNEZ wrote:
 Ojo con Telegram:
 
 http://elrincondelsoftware.es/telegram-fraude-inseguro-espionaje/
 http://www.redeszone.net/2014/02/05/telegram-no-es-tan-seguro-como-
aparenta-ser/
 
 No hay que olvidar la salida repentina desde Rusia de Pavel Durov:
 
 Es lo de siempre: para poder decir si es o no seguro habría que revisar
 el código, y ésto no es posible a día de hoy[0].

Creo que el autor del artículo [0] confunde términos. Telegram (la parte 
servidora) ni es open source (cuya propia licencia permitiría que se 
revisara el código fuente) ni es libre. Es, simplemente, código 
propietario y cerrado.

(...)

 Si queremos alternativas seguras, las tenemos[1].
 
 [0] http://elbinario.net/2015/03/07/telegram-no-es-libre-es-open-source/
 [1] https://otr.cypherpunks.ca/

Yo prefiero hablar de protocolos antes que de programas/servicios por eso 
me quedo con SIP/VoIP (para la voz) y XMPP (para mensajitos) :-)

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Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread Kruppt

On 2015-07-01, Rodolfo Medina rodolfo.med...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all the listers.

 I have an old Hyundai Notebook too slow for Gnome, in fact I installed openbox
 as Window Manager in it and am happy with it and think I'll be using it for
 good, so simple fast and essential as it is.  As web browser, Midori was
 claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox.  Please any
 advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine?  Or maybe the
 problem is actually the in the heavier and heavier web pages in themselves?

 Thanks for any help,

 Rodolfo



One that was not mentioned yet;
http://www.qupzilla.com/
There is a deb package for it in repos.


root@aptosid-shuttle:/home/kruppt/scripts# apt-cache search qupzilla
libqupzilla-dev - development files for qupzilla's shared library
libqupzilla1 - shared library and header files for qupzilla
qupzilla - lightweight web browser based on libqtwebkit

root@aptosid-shuttle:/home/kruppt/scripts# dpkg-query -p qupzilla
Package: qupzilla
Priority: extra
Section: x11
Installed-Size: 4915
Maintainer: Georges Khaznadar georg...@debian.org
Architecture: i386
Version: 1.6.6-1
Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-6~), libgcc1 (= 1:4.1.1), 
libqt4-dbus (= 4:4.8.0~), libqt4-network (= 4:4.8.0~), 
libqt4-script (= 4:4.8.0~), libqt4-sql (= 4:4.8.0~), 
libqtcore4 (= 4:4.8.0~), libqtgui4 (= 4:4.8.0~), 
libqtwebkit4 (= 2.1.0~2011week13), libqupzilla1 (= 1.6.6-1), 
libstdc++6 (= 4.4.0), libqt4-sql-sqlite
Size: 849366
Description: lightweight web browser based on libqtwebkit
 QupZilla is a new and very fast QtWebKit browser. It aims to be a
 lightweight web browser available through all major platforms. This
 project has been originally started only for educational
 purposes. But from its start, QupZilla has grown into a feature-rich
 browser.
 .
 QupZilla has all standard functions you expect from a web browser. It
 includes bookmarks, history (both also in sidebar) and tabs. Above
 that, you can manage RSS feeds with an included RSS reader, block ads
 with a builtin AdBlock plugin, block Flash content with Click2Flash
 and edit the local CA Certificates database with an SSL Manager.
 .
 QupZilla's main aim is to be a very fast and very stable QtWebKit
 browser available to everyone.
 
Homepage: http://www.qupzilla.com/


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Re: Sobre la sincronizacion de Rsync a traves de ssh

2015-07-02 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:45:58 -0430, Nicolas escribió:

 Para empezar sincronice la claves ssh entre mi servidor de pagina web y
 mi servidor de respaldo con tal que si yo hago ssh root@10.0.1.11 entra
 sin pedirme contraseña

(...)

 Pero con el cron me da el siguiente error y lo he buscado pero sale todo
 en ingles cosa que no soy muy bueno ;-)
 
 Permission denied, please try again.
 Permission denied, please try again.
 Permission denied (publickey,password).
 rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [sender]
 rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0.7]

(...)

Dale un ojo a este artículo:

Cron, SSH, Rsync, and a ssh key with a passphrase (Ubuntu)
http://www.codealpha.net/163/cron-ssh-and-rsync-and-key-with-passphrase-ubuntu/

Recuerda que los scripts ejecutados desde cron pueden usar variables de 
entorno distintas de cuando inicias un sesión en bash.

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Re: a simpler printing question

2015-07-02 Thread briand
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 10:51:31 +0100
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote:

 
 Siard's timely contribution seems to give you all that you want from
 lprng. Are you thinking of filing a wishlist bug against its documention
 to have this gtk3 advice included alongside what is there for gtk2?
 
 

Great suggestion- done.

Brian


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Re: problem with display breaking up

2015-07-02 Thread Martin Read

On 02/07/15 16:08, Bob Bernstein wrote:

Why are such persons even allowed to operate linux equipment?


Because in order to still be for us, software freedom has to be for 
everyone.



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Re: Setting up AP with hostapd

2015-07-02 Thread Danny
Hi,

Did you eventually solve it?


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Backup incremental com SCP

2015-07-02 Thread ANTONIO SPITALERI NETO
Bom dia a todos. 
Tenho aqui um servidor no qual preciso fazer backup de alguns arquivos, porém 
não consegui instalar o rsync no mesmo. 
Gostaria de saber se é possível utilizar o SCP para realizar backup 
incremental. 

Obrigado. 

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Re: problem with display breaking up

2015-07-02 Thread Bob Bernstein

On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, Lisi Reisz wrote:

This started as: My computer's died.  I need a new 
computer.


Why are such persons even allowed to operate linux 
equipment? They probably let him vote too!


Oh well...

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Re: [OT] Windows to go o como instalar debian en una HP 1000 PC Notebook

2015-07-02 Thread Camaleón
El Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:24:50 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
escribió:

 El asunto es el siguiente:

(...)

 El punto es que parece ser que eso no nos deja ahora ni siquiera
 arrancar (boot) desde el pendrive ni en sesion live ni nada.
 
 ¿Alguno de ustedes se ha encontrado con ese mismo problema, saben como
 resolverlo?

En este mensaje de los foros de HP hablan de ese tema, mira a ver si te 
sirve lo que dicen:

ayuda con HP 1000-1210LA Notebook PC no inicia usb ni cd/dv boooteables
http://h30467.www3.hp.com/t5/Windows-8-y-otros-sistemas-para-notebooks/ayuda-con-HP-1000-1210LA-Notebook-PC-no-inicia-usb-ni-cd-dv/td-p/311383

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Re: Escritorio remoto Gnome

2015-07-02 Thread Edwin De La Cruz
El 02/07/2015 05:35, Antonio Trujillo Carmona 
antonio.trujillo.s...@juntadeandalucia.es escribió:

 El 01/07/15 a las 15:27, Pablo JIMÉNEZ escribió:
  On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 03:01:27PM +0200, Antonio Trujillo Carmona
wrote:
  El 23/06/15 a las 00:11, Lic. Manuel Salgado escribió:
 
  Saludos a todos:
  Alguien experimentado puede darme una mano sobre la via de
conectar a
  un escritorio remoto cuyo gestor de sesiones X es gdm3 con su
  respectivo Gnome, mi duda va tanto como con Ubuntu o debian, en
ambos
  me pasa lo mismo. Les ilustro lo que necesito y mi escenario: En
mi PC
  tengo Ubuntu 14.04 MATE y necesito hacer conexiones a escritorios
de
  servidores que estan en subredes que administro, los cuales tienen
  squeeze y otros Ubuntu 10.04. Lo que deseo es poder conectar a
  sesiones graficas de esos servidores al estilo como lo hacia en
  windows, independientemente del usuario que este logueado o incluso
  cuando no hay ningun usuario logueado, esta ultima manera me ha
dado
  muchos dolores de cabeza. Siguiendo un tuto de Youtube he optado
por
  la via de Xrdp en cada uno de esos servidores, y desde mi pc a
traves
  de remmina establezco una conexion de tipo RDP, y el problema es
que
  al configurar los datos (usuario, contraseña, etc) y conectar, lo
hace
  pero no se muestra nada mas que una pantalla en negro. No hay
  problemas de filtrado de cortafuegos ni algo por el estilo, todos
  estos puestos estan abiertos.
  Gracias por adelantado cualquier ayuda.
 
  mira xrdp y/o vnc-server
  Más que vnc-server a secas, x11vnc. Y si usa lightdm, éste incluye VNC
  dentro de sus opciones de configuración.
 
  Saludos.
 Si es un servidor, de verdad, que no se accede de forma directa a el
 (incluso podría ser virtual), instalar un servidor en consola es absudo.
 Yo tengo algúna maquina virtual (si alguien tiene que acceder al
 escritorio para mi ya no es un servidor) y les configuro el vncserver
 (como servidor X) y xrdp para que les sea fácil conectarse a los
 usuarios remotos, nada de lightdm o dgm o kdm.




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Yo precisamente estoy en el mismo problema.
Estoy usando gnome y cinnamon pero en ambos no puedo acceder por xrdp porq
me sale q ha ocurrido un error en las x que tiene que ver con la
configuración del teclado o de plano me muestra una patalla gris con una x
como puntero.
Con vnc me muestra una patalla en negro.
Entrando por ssh -X funciona y puedo acceder a las aplicaciones
individualmente sin pronlema, pero lo que busco es acceder a todo el
escritorio ya sea para manejarlo remotamente o para iniciar una nueva
session remota.

Entrando por ssh intentó iniciar startx no funciona.
Si accedo como root sí intenta arrancar las x pero sale el mensaje que hay
un problema con la configuración como ya indique antes.
No puedo poner los errores ahora por estoy camino a mi trabajo.

De preferencia necesito usar xrdp porq en mi caso a la pc que necesito
acceder es debían pero desde clientes windows server 2003 y prefiero no
instalar nada ajeno en ellos.

Voy a probar con lxde a ver como va.


Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread briand
On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:18:48 + (UTC)
Glyn Astill glynast...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 
  From: Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 19:15
 Subject: Re: Light web browser for old PC
  
 
 On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:52:03AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
  On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
  Hi ... As web browser, Midori was
  claimed to be light, but I see almost no difference with Firefox.  Please 
  any
  advice for a *really* light one, suitable for that old machine?
  
 
 Netsurf? Midori?
 
 I have been very impressed by netsurf and the good people behind it :)
 
 
 
 +1 for netsurf here.
 
 

the things you discover in this list !

netsurf is really nice. 


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Re: OT: Can lot of RAM can slow down a calculation workstation?

2015-07-02 Thread David Christensen

On 07/02/2015 09:32 AM, Dan wrote:

I can buy 8x 32 Gb or 16 x 16Gb. The first option is more expensive
than the second one, but I will have only one DIMM per channel. Any
suggestions or experience with this?


I have also seen cases where one memory module per channel is faster 
than two of the same modules per channel, as reported by the BIOS and/ 
or memtest86+.  But, I can't remember a single case where I could tell 
the operational difference between faster and slower memory modules of 
the same capacity, even with significant differences in frequency 
specifications.



Ideally, you want enough memory to hold your program and all it's data 
in memory at the same time, plus whatever memory the rest of your 
computer needs, plus a decent amount of extra memory.  My experience 
has been that more memory is always better than less memory, even when 
the larger memory is slower.



Whenever I build a new computer, the largest, fastest memory modules are 
usually hard to get and/ or expensive.  So, I buy one module of 1/2 or 
1/4 maximum capacity and 100% maximum speed per channel.  If/ when I 
decide to add memory later, I prefer to buy maximum size and speed 
modules.  Once the memory slots (and CPU sockets) are maxed out and 
that's still not enough, it's time sell or recycle the computer.



The reality for many programs is that all the data is far too big to 
hold in memory, so disk I/O can become the bottleneck.  (The kernel uses 
that extra memory for caching, which is vital.)  The standard solution 
in this case is faster drives.



You might want to spend some time benchmarking your program on whatever 
computers you have available.  Older, slower machines can be very 
revealing.  See if you can tease out the various factors -- program 
size, CPU(s), core(s), memory, disk I/O, etc..  This will allow you to 
make informed decisions for upgrades.



You also might want to enlist the help of a computer scientist/ 
programmer familiar with numerical methods and/ or the library/ package 
you are using.  Smarter algorithms, data structures, etc., can yield 
dramatic improvements in efficiency, alleviating the need for more hardware.



David


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Re: System freeze with multiple ttys in Debian Jessie

2015-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 23:35:56 +0100, Brian wrote:

 The colour has changed to That looks like light at the end of the
 tunnel. :)

The light is getting brighter.

$SHLVL appears to be one of the players. Change

  if [ $SHLVL = 1 ]; then

in ~/.bash_logout to

  if [ $SHLVL = 2 ]; then

and see how you go on.


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Re: [Off] Leitora de cartão A3

2015-07-02 Thread Daniel Lenharo
Tempos atrás, fiz diversas tentativas para instalar a leitora de cartão da
OAB.

Não consegui fazer funcionar . somente no janelão..

*Atenciosamente*

*Daniel Lenharo de Souza*
*Sombra*

+55 41 9933-8394
Analista de Informática
http://about.me/sombra


Em 2 de julho de 2015 18:40, Linux - Junior Polegato 
li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu:

 On 02-07-2015 18:25, Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro wrote:

 Em 2 de julho de 2015 18:21, Linux - Junior Polegato
 li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu:

  Alguém usa uma leitora de cartão A3 que tem seu código aberto
 e/ou
 compilável no Debian, de preferência para qualquer versão desde a Lenny
 5.0.10?

 Não parece fora de tópico, embora eu não saiba o que seja um cartão A3.



 Olá!

 Me refiro ao certificado digital A3, o qual exige uma mídia
 criptográfica, smartcard+leitora ou token.

 Serve também token, não precisa ser somente a leitora, quem já
 teve alguma experiência, boa ou ruim, e puder compartilhar, seria bom para
 quem vai ter que encarar essa empreitada.

 Obrigado.

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Re: Mixing 4 audio sources

2015-07-02 Thread David Christensen

On 07/02/2015 08:46 AM, Peter Huber wrote:

This is semi off-topic as it's partly a hardware question, but I don't
really know a better place to ask.
I have a hardware mixer on my desk to connect four sources of audio to
one pair of headphones. It's breaking, I need replacement, and I also
would like to free up the desk space it's taking, so I'm thinking about
mixing on my PC.
Is there a way to change what the jacks on my sound card do? Can I
somehow use 3 of the jacks as line-in while there is only 1 jack labeled
line-in? My Windows PC can do that with a peace of software that comes
with Realtek's driver, but I have no idea if that is a software or a
hardware feature, if Debian has the tools to do that as well, and if
only specific sound cards are capable of that. If it's possible, how do
I do it?
lspci identifies my current sound card as C-Media Electronics Inc
CMI8738/CMI8768 PCI Audio (rev 10), but I'd be fine with buying a new
one if that would help.


Reconfigurable audio ports on PC sound cards is a hardware feature that 
requires software to make it work.  If your hardware supports this, has 
enough ports, and you can make it work under Linux, then you're done. 
Otherwise, you'll want a multi-channel audio capture device (USB, PCI, 
PCIe) supported by Linux.



The Linux Audio User mailing list is the place to seek help:

http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user


David


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Re: problem with display breaking up

2015-07-02 Thread Bob Bernstein

On Thu, 2 Jul 2015, Martin Read wrote:


On 02/07/15 16:08, Bob Bernstein wrote:

Why are such persons even allowed to operate linux equipment?


Because in order to still be for us, software freedom has to be 
for everyone.


But surely you can't mean literally everyone, yes? 
Just cast a glance at the group of characters who 
frequent this email list. I see every sort of dubious 
personality trait represented here, from outright 
antisocials to obvious dropouts from the neighborhood 
community mental health clinics.


This herd ought to be seriously thinned before it is 
permitted to touch a serious piece of networked 
equipment. Imagine what could go wrong! OMG. One's 
blood curdles. Besides, a drastically reduced 
population could only help poor bedraggled Mother 
Earth, and we are all still for helping the Earth, 
yes?



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peculiarly obtrusive element in the outer world, but lapsing again
quickly into the happy somnolence of imagination. Freud has shown how
largely our dreams at night are the pictured fulfilment of our wishes;
he has, with an equal measure of truth, said the same of day-dreams;
and he might have included the day-dreams which we call beliefs.

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copiar imagen iso de debian 8 live en usb

2015-07-02 Thread Constantino Vargas
Buenas noches me descargue la imagen iso debian 8 live en una pc con
windows 8 mi intensión es usar una memoria usb para bootear debian 8 live,
en las instrucciones indican que en windows se debe usar win32diskimager
para crear unidades usb booteable, el programa en mención para tal fin pide
un archivos con extension img, y yo descargue archivo con extension iso hay
alguna forma de conseguir debian 8 live en img.


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Pinjaman modal usaha.

2015-07-02 Thread Dionisius Dony
Selamat pagi, saya seorang wiraswasta punya warung sembako, tapi saya masih
banyak kebutuhan pokok lain yg belum bisa saya sediakan karena keterbatasan
modal, omset saya saat ini 30.000.000/bulan. Bisa kah saya mendapatkan
pinjaman tambahan modal? Dan bagaimana prosesnya.  Terimakasih.


Re: copiar imagen iso de debian 8 live en usb

2015-07-02 Thread Walter O. Dari

Hola Constantino:

El 03/07/15 a las 00:31, Constantino Vargas escribió:

Buenas noches me descargue la imagen iso debian 8 live en una pc con
windows 8 mi intensión es usar una memoria usb para bootear debian 8
live, en las instrucciones indican que en windows se debe
usar win32diskimager para crear unidades usb booteable, el programa en
mención para tal fin pide un archivos con extension img, y yo descargue
archivo con extension iso hay alguna forma de conseguir debian 8 live en
img.


Fijate que el sitio de Debian [1] hay imágenes listas para copiar en un 
pendrive con dd y ya salen funcionando.



[1] https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb

Saludos,


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Re: [SOLVED]NFS problems

2015-07-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 02 July 2015 14:55:01 Nitpicking wrote:
 On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 13:25:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
  Yup, I had forgotten to add it to /etc/fstab.  Duh.  Please don't
  revoke my linux drivers license ;-)

 We will overlook it this time, Action is generally taken in the case
 of litigants claiming memory deficiency and submitting the plea with
 a missing apostrophe and substituting an s for a c.

 Don't let it happen again.

Hey, cut me some slack here.  You'll be 80  forgetful like me 
someday. ;-)

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Connexion réseau Lan hs

2015-07-02 Thread BERTRAND Joël

André a écrit :

Bonjour,

Dans mon réseau à domicile,
j'ai deux PC reliés par câbles ethernet via une Box
IP en mode DHCP auto.
(l'un sous Jessie 32 bits et l'autre 64 bits)

Je lance un ping sur l'autre machine :

ping 192.168.0.18
PING 192.168.0.18 (192.168.0.18) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.0.18: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.599 ms (DUP!)
22 packets transmitted, 2 received, +2 duplicates, 90% packet loss

(DUP = Duplicate).

Inversement ping 192.168.0.13, n'envoie qu'un paquet sur ~10.

J'ai relancé le réseau sur les 2 PC, pareil.

Si je lance un ping sur internet, p. ex. ping free.fr, depuis les 2 PC,
impeccable.

Serait-ce la carte réseau ethernet d'un PC qui en serait la cause ?

Merci.

André



Bonjour,

	As-tu essayé de redémarrer le modem. Souvent, les switches intégrés 
dans ces trucs sont des composants à pas cher buggués jusqu'à la moelle. 
Lorsque tu vas sur internet, tu utilises les fonctionnalités routeur du 
composant. Pour attaquer un PC du LAN, tu utilises les fonctionnalités 
switch.


Cordialement,

JKB

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Re: Escritorio remoto Gnome

2015-07-02 Thread Javier Barroso
2015-07-02 17:09 GMT+02:00 Edwin De La Cruz edwinsp...@gmail.com:

 El 02/07/2015 05:35, Antonio Trujillo Carmona
 antonio.trujillo.s...@juntadeandalucia.es escribió:

 El 01/07/15 a las 15:27, Pablo JIMÉNEZ escribió:
  On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 03:01:27PM +0200, Antonio Trujillo Carmona
  wrote:
  El 23/06/15 a las 00:11, Lic. Manuel Salgado escribió:
 
  Saludos a todos:
  Alguien experimentado puede darme una mano sobre la via de conectar
  a
  un escritorio remoto cuyo gestor de sesiones X es gdm3 con su
  respectivo Gnome, mi duda va tanto como con Ubuntu o debian, en
  ambos
  me pasa lo mismo. Les ilustro lo que necesito y mi escenario: En mi
  PC
  tengo Ubuntu 14.04 MATE y necesito hacer conexiones a escritorios
  de
  servidores que estan en subredes que administro, los cuales tienen
  squeeze y otros Ubuntu 10.04. Lo que deseo es poder conectar a
  sesiones graficas de esos servidores al estilo como lo hacia en
  windows, independientemente del usuario que este logueado o incluso
  cuando no hay ningun usuario logueado, esta ultima manera me ha
  dado
  muchos dolores de cabeza. Siguiendo un tuto de Youtube he optado
  por
  la via de Xrdp en cada uno de esos servidores, y desde mi pc a
  traves
  de remmina establezco una conexion de tipo RDP, y el problema es
  que
  al configurar los datos (usuario, contraseña, etc) y conectar, lo
  hace
  pero no se muestra nada mas que una pantalla en negro. No hay
  problemas de filtrado de cortafuegos ni algo por el estilo, todos
  estos puestos estan abiertos.
  Gracias por adelantado cualquier ayuda.
 
  mira xrdp y/o vnc-server
  Más que vnc-server a secas, x11vnc. Y si usa lightdm, éste incluye VNC
  dentro de sus opciones de configuración.
 
  Saludos.
 Si es un servidor, de verdad, que no se accede de forma directa a el
 (incluso podría ser virtual), instalar un servidor en consola es absudo.
 Yo tengo algúna maquina virtual (si alguien tiene que acceder al
 escritorio para mi ya no es un servidor) y les configuro el vncserver
 (como servidor X) y xrdp para que les sea fácil conectarse a los
 usuarios remotos, nada de lightdm o dgm o kdm.




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 Yo precisamente estoy en el mismo problema.
 Estoy usando gnome y cinnamon pero en ambos no puedo acceder por xrdp porq
 me sale q ha ocurrido un error en las x que tiene que ver con la
 configuración del teclado o de plano me muestra una patalla gris con una x
 como puntero.
 Con vnc me muestra una patalla en negro.
 Entrando por ssh -X funciona y puedo acceder a las aplicaciones
 individualmente sin pronlema, pero lo que busco es acceder a todo el
 escritorio ya sea para manejarlo remotamente o para iniciar una nueva
 session remota.

 Entrando por ssh intentó iniciar startx no funciona.
 Si accedo como root sí intenta arrancar las x pero sale el mensaje que hay
 un problema con la configuración como ya indique antes.
 No puedo poner los errores ahora por estoy camino a mi trabajo.

 De preferencia necesito usar xrdp porq en mi caso a la pc que necesito
 acceder es debían pero desde clientes windows server 2003 y prefiero no
 instalar nada ajeno en ellos.

 Voy a probar con lxde a ver como va.

No sé si ha salido ya en el hilo ... Pero, al menos con el vnc, el
problema es que el cliente / o el servidor no soporta las 3d en
condiciones. Dicen que con el tigervnc (que no está en debian, pero
está pedido con un ITP) debería funcionar:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=776746

Igual puedes probar a compilarte por ti mismo el tigervnc y probar

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Re: System freeze with multiple ttys in Debian Jessie

2015-07-02 Thread August Karlstrom

On 2015-07-02 13:50, Brian wrote:

On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 10:50:07 +0100, Brian wrote:


Systemd handles the terminals so this very much looks like a bug
in that package. Do you intend to report it? I don't see what is
special about tty1.


I'm having doubts that systemd is involved in this issue. Installing
sysvinit-core and purging systemd results in similar behaviour when X
is started on tty1.


I get similar results if I instead run X in in tty2 and log in and out 
on tty1 - the X session flashes by or I end up in X and sometimes the 
computer hangs.



There is no hanging this time but returning to a tty after logging
out of one doesn't occur most of the time. When it does happen it is
almost as though pressing keys at random is the trigger. A bug in
xinit?

My ~/.xsession:

xterm  exec fvwm


Could it be related to the graphics driver? What card/driver do you use? 
I remember having issues with switching between ttys when using the 
NVIDIA driver in Debian Wheezy:


http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42t=168108

However, in Wheezy I never had any such problems with the (free default) 
Nouveau driver.



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Re: [OT] Windows to go o como instalar debian en una HP 1000 PC Notebook

2015-07-02 Thread Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
El 2 de julio de 2015, 9:35 a. m., Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:24:50 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
 escribió:

 El asunto es el siguiente:

 (...)

 El punto es que parece ser que eso no nos deja ahora ni siquiera
 arrancar (boot) desde el pendrive ni en sesion live ni nada.

 ¿Alguno de ustedes se ha encontrado con ese mismo problema, saben como
 resolverlo?

 En este mensaje de los foros de HP hablan de ese tema, mira a ver si te
 sirve lo que dicen:

 ayuda con HP 1000-1210LA Notebook PC no inicia usb ni cd/dv boooteables
 http://h30467.www3.hp.com/t5/Windows-8-y-otros-sistemas-para-notebooks/ayuda-con-HP-1000-1210LA-Notebook-PC-no-inicia-usb-ni-cd-dv/td-p/311383

Gracias Camaleón, pero eso ya lo había buscado y no es mi caso, porque
aunque desactive el secure boot, Windows to go no me deja hacer nada.

Saludos


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Re: Mixing 4 audio sources

2015-07-02 Thread Michael Fothergill
 hardware feature, if Debian has the tools to do that as well, and if
 only specific sound cards are capable of that. If it's possible, how do
 I do it?


​The people who main this distro can help:​

​see​

​http://www.64studio.com/​


​Regards

MF
​


 lspci identifies my current sound card as C-Media Electronics Inc
 CMI8738/CMI8768 PCI Audio (rev 10), but I'd be fine with buying a new
 one if that would help.


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  Do you have this package installed? What does apt-cache policy
  linux-firmware-nonfree say?
 
 
  ​It says unable to locate linux-firmware-nonfree
 
  ie it's not installed I guess
 
  That message means that apt-cache can't find that package at all. If
  you have recently added non-free to sources.list you will need to
  run apt-get update. After doing that, it should be available to
  install via apt-get install linux-firmware-nonfree.

 I noticed that the sources.list contents which were posted listed
 'nonfree', with no hyphen.

 Every other sources.list reference to non-free I've ever seen has
 included the hyphen, and a quick test with dropping the hyphen on my own
 system results in errors on 'apt-get update'.

 I suspect that the omitted hyphen means his system is not actually
 seeing non-free at all. I would suggest adding the hyphen and trying again.

 ​I added the non-free epiphet to the sources.list file and then did
apt-get update and aptitude safe-upgrade etc.

That did not install the firmware package.

I had to do aptitude install linux-firmware-nonfree to get it installed. It
is not automatic.

This fixed everything.

Thanks MF

​


Re: [SOLVED]NFS problems

2015-07-02 Thread Gene Heskett
On Thursday 02 July 2015 12:40:50 Gene Heskett wrote:
 I have setup an nfs export of a new machine recently added to my local
 network, and I can see it with exportfs on that machine.

 But, while I have 2 other machines that work fine, the 3rd one isn't
 checking in when I do

 sudo /etc/init.d/autofs  reload;ls /net

 I have restarted all the daemons on both machines.

 So, is there a master list of what this machine is supposed to access
 someplace I have forgotten?

Yup, I had forgotten to add it to /etc/fstab.  Duh.  Please don't revoke 
my linux drivers license ;-)

 Thanks

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Re: [OT] Windows to go o como instalar debian en una HP 1000 PC Notebook

2015-07-02 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:07:09 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
escribió:

 El 2 de julio de 2015, 9:35 a. m., Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 El Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:24:50 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
 escribió:

 El asunto es el siguiente:

 (...)

 El punto es que parece ser que eso no nos deja ahora ni siquiera
 arrancar (boot) desde el pendrive ni en sesion live ni nada.

 ¿Alguno de ustedes se ha encontrado con ese mismo problema, saben como
 resolverlo?

 En este mensaje de los foros de HP hablan de ese tema, mira a ver si te
 sirve lo que dicen:

 ayuda con HP 1000-1210LA Notebook PC no inicia usb ni cd/dv boooteables
 http://h30467.www3.hp.com/t5/Windows-8-y-otros-sistemas-para-notebooks/
ayuda-con-HP-1000-1210LA-Notebook-PC-no-inicia-usb-ni-cd-dv/td-p/311383

 Gracias Camaleón, pero eso ya lo había buscado y no es mi caso, porque
 aunque desactive el secure boot, Windows to go no me deja hacer nada.

Si tienes acceso a la BIOS, desactiva el inicio por USB (marca el CD/DVD 
o el disco duro), UEFI, secureboot, TPM y todo lo que suene a seguridad 
draconiana. Se trataría de decirle al sistema que no busque ese 
almacenamiento externo al iniciar.

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Re: System freeze with multiple ttys in Debian Jessie

2015-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 17:58:35 +0200, August Karlstrom wrote:

 On 2015-07-02 13:50, Brian wrote:
 
 There is no hanging this time but returning to a tty after logging
 out of one doesn't occur most of the time. When it does happen it is
 almost as though pressing keys at random is the trigger. A bug in
 xinit?
 
 My ~/.xsession:
 
 xterm  exec fvwm
 
 Could it be related to the graphics driver? What card/driver do you
 use? I remember having issues with switching between ttys when using
 the NVIDIA driver in Debian Wheezy:

I don't know. The machine uses nouveau and my graphics expertise is very
low. Sorted the apparent randomness: use CTRL+ALT+F1 and go to a terminal
in the usual way works for me.

 http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42t=168108
 
 However, in Wheezy I never had any such problems with the (free
 default) Nouveau driver.

I have another machine which has never run anything but unstable with
sysvinit for many years. It also uses nouveau. There is no sign of this
behaviour on it. Colour me stumped.


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Re: [OT] Windows to go o como instalar debian en una HP 1000 PC Notebook

2015-07-02 Thread Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
El 2 de julio de 2015, 1:04 p. m., Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:07:09 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
 escribió:

 El 2 de julio de 2015, 9:35 a. m., Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:
 El Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:24:50 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
 escribió:

 El asunto es el siguiente:

 (...)

 El punto es que parece ser que eso no nos deja ahora ni siquiera
 arrancar (boot) desde el pendrive ni en sesion live ni nada.

 ¿Alguno de ustedes se ha encontrado con ese mismo problema, saben como
 resolverlo?

 En este mensaje de los foros de HP hablan de ese tema, mira a ver si te
 sirve lo que dicen:

 ayuda con HP 1000-1210LA Notebook PC no inicia usb ni cd/dv boooteables
 http://h30467.www3.hp.com/t5/Windows-8-y-otros-sistemas-para-notebooks/
 ayuda-con-HP-1000-1210LA-Notebook-PC-no-inicia-usb-ni-cd-dv/td-p/311383

 Gracias Camaleón, pero eso ya lo había buscado y no es mi caso, porque
 aunque desactive el secure boot, Windows to go no me deja hacer nada.

 Si tienes acceso a la BIOS, desactiva el inicio por USB (marca el CD/DVD
 o el disco duro), UEFI, secureboot, TPM y todo lo que suene a seguridad
 draconiana. Se trataría de decirle al sistema que no busque ese
 almacenamiento externo al iniciar.

Así lo hice, pero queda en primer lugar y sin opción a deshabilitar el
mentado windows to go.

Y no arranca (bootea)


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Mate desktop - appearances soaking up CPU time

2015-07-02 Thread Frank

I am running Mate desktop on an updated Debian Sid.

Today when I attempted to change themes, I noticed
nearly all the themes had big question marks on top
of theme in the appearances manager. In addition
when I tried to customize a theme all the windows
controls, icon themes etc all had question marks
over them.


I have two other desktops installed on this machine,
XFCE and a plain window manager IceWm.
Could it be interference from them but they have co-existed
for a long time without this problem.


Strange thing is the theme still ***seem** to work.
Can anyone suggest what has gone wrong here?


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Mate desktop - appearances soaking up CPU time

2015-07-02 Thread Frank

I am running Mate desktop on an updated Debian Sid.

Today when I attempted to change themes, I noticed
nearly all the themes had big question marks on top
of theme in the appearances manager. In addition
when I tried to customize a theme all the windows
controls, icon themes etc all had question marks
over them.




Sorry forgot to mention that after running mate-appearances
it hangs around after being closed soaking up almost 100%
cpu time.


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Re: Connexion réseau Lan hs

2015-07-02 Thread André
On Thursday 02 July 2015 18:01:11 BERTRAND Joël wrote:
 André a écrit :
  Dans mon réseau à domicile,
  j'ai deux PC reliés par câbles ethernet via une Box
  IP en mode DHCP auto.
  (l'un sous Jessie 32 bits et l'autre 64 bits)
  Je lance un ping sur l'autre machine :
  ping 192.168.0.18
  PING 192.168.0.18 (192.168.0.18) 56(84) bytes of data.
  64 bytes from 192.168.0.18: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.599 ms (DUP!)
  22 packets transmitted, 2 received, +2 duplicates, 90% packet loss
  (DUP = Duplicate).
  Inversement ping 192.168.0.13, n'envoie qu'un paquet sur ~10.
  J'ai relancé le réseau sur les 2 PC, pareil.
  Si je lance un ping sur internet, p. ex. ping free.fr, depuis les 2 PC,
  impeccable.
  Serait-ce la carte réseau ethernet d'un PC qui en serait la cause ?

As-tu essayé de redémarrer le modem. Souvent, les switches intégrés
 dans ces trucs sont des composants à pas cher buggués jusqu'à la moelle.
 Lorsque tu vas sur internet, tu utilises les fonctionnalités routeur du
 composant. Pour attaquer un PC du LAN, tu utilises les fonctionnalités
 switch.   Cordialement,   JKB

Je pense que la canicule d'hier est passée par là :
en redémarrant la box numericable, tout semble être rentré dans l'ordre.

Grand merci.

André

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Re: Ferramenta para gerenciamento de projetos

2015-07-02 Thread Jack Jr

  
  
Se tiver condições depois nos manda um relato de qual
  a melhor alternativa.
  
  Jack Pogorelsky Junior
  Engº Mecânico
  Tel: +55 (51) 9348-0140
  Site: sulmail.com/pogorelsky
  E-mail: j...@sulmail.com
  

On 02/07/2015 10:52, Washington wrote:


  Valeu pessoal ... vou fazer um teste com esses que
vocês passaram.


Abraço,
  
  
2015-07-01 17:42 GMT-03:00 Jack Jr cska1...@gmail.com:
  
 calligra.org/plan


Jack Pogorelsky Junior
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Tel: +55 (51)
  9348-0140
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On 01-07-2015 16:09, Tiago Rocha wrote:

Acredito que também vele a pena
  dá uma olhada no dotproject.net
  e no web2project.net
  
  
  
  On 01-07-2015 15:56, Geowany Galdino wrote: 
  Boa tarde! Eu conheço o
redmine. 

Em 1 de julho de 2015 13h54min22s GMT-05:00,
Washington 
wae...@gmail.com
escreveu: 

    Boa tarde. 

    Pessoal, alguém usa ou conhece uma boa
ferramenta para acesso web 
    para gerenciamento de projetos free? 

    Obrigado, 


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Re: Light web browser for old PC

2015-07-02 Thread Rodolfo Medina
bri...@aracnet.com writes:

 On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:18:48 + (UTC)
 Glyn Astill glynast...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 
  From: Andrew M.A. Cater amaca...@galactic.demon.co.uk
 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, 1 July 2015, 19:15
 Subject: Re: Light web browser for old PC
  
 
 On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 09:52:03AM +0300, Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
  On 07/01/2015 09:21 AM, Rodolfo Medina wrote:
  Hi ... As web browser, Midori was claimed to be light, but I see almost
  no difference with Firefox.  Please any advice for a *really* light one,
  suitable for that old machine?
  
 
 Netsurf? Midori?
 
 I have been very impressed by netsurf and the good people behind it :)
 
 
 
 +1 for netsurf here.
 
 

 the things you discover in this list !

 netsurf is really nice. 

Unfortunately it won't log me into my email account down there in
www.libero.it.

Rodolfo


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NFS problems

2015-07-02 Thread Gene Heskett
I have setup an nfs export of a new machine recently added to my local 
network, and I can see it with exportfs on that machine.

But, while I have 2 other machines that work fine, the 3rd one isn't 
checking in when I do

sudo /etc/init.d/autofs  reload;ls /net

I have restarted all the daemons on both machines.

So, is there a master list of what this machine is supposed to access 
someplace I have forgotten?

Thanks

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: OT: Can lot of RAM can slow down a calculation workstation?

2015-07-02 Thread Dan
On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:34 PM,  to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:58:40AM +0200, Dan wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 11:46 AM,  to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

 [...]

 No I do not know that. I am a scientist, and I use the computers as a
 tool to do simulations that I write in C++ with (Threading Building
 Blocks). I have a limited knowledge of the computer architecture. That
 would mean that a calculation that fits in 64GB will run slower with
 256GB? or that means that when I increase the size the calculation
 will be slower.

 Note that I'm deep in hand-waving territory here.

 Suppose you could reduce your problem size to one-fourth its current
 size, so that it fits in your 64 GB. Let's say it needs now a time
 T_0.

 Now consider your (real) four-fold problem. Leaving out all effects
 of swapping and all that (and only considering the pure algorithm),
 your run time will be T_1, which most probably is (depending on
 the algorithm's properties) bigger than T_0. For a linear algorithm:
 T_1 = 4 * T_0 (you're lucky!), for a quadratic one T_1 = 16 * T_0
 and so on (if you're _very_ lucky, you have a sublinear algorithm,
 but given all you've written before I wouldn't bet on that).

 Taking into account the effects of RAM, you get for 64 GB and your
 problem (real size) some time T_1_64 which is most probably
 significantly bigger than T_1: T_1_64  T_1, due to all the caching
 overhead. How much bigger will depend on how cache-friendly the
 algorithm is: if it is random-accessing data from all over the
 place, the slowdown will be horrible (in the limit, of the order
 of magnitude of the relation of the SSD speed to the RAM speed
 (yeah, latency, bandwidth. Some combination of both. Pick the worst
 of them ;-)

 Now to the 256 GB case. Ideally, the thing fits in there: ideally
 the time would be T_1_256 =~ T_1, since no swapping overhead,
 etc.

 What I was saying is that you might quite well get T_1_256  T_1,
 because there are other factors (the CPU has a whole hierarchy
 of caches between itself and the RAM, because the RAM is horribly
 slow from the POV of the CPU). Those caches might be more
 overwhelmed by the bigger addressable memory.

 Now how much bigger, that is a tough question. Most probably you
 get
 T_1_64  T_1_256  T_1

 so the extra RAM will help, but in some cases the slowdown from
 the ideal T_1 to the real T_1_256 might prove disappointing.

 Sometimes, partitioning the problem might give you more speed
 than throwing RAM at it. Sometimes!

 I think you have no choice but to try it out.

Hi,

I took a closer look into this. I found out that that it is important
to have at least one DIMM per channel. But if you have a several DIMMs
per channel there can be a hit in the performance. Many servers clock
down the memory to a lower speed when you add a second or a third DPC.

https://marchamilton.wordpress.com/2012/02/07/optimizing-hpc-server-memory-configurations/
http://frankdenneman.nl/2015/02/20/memory-deep-dive/

I did some research and it seems that in general there is no drop
with 2 dimms per channel but there is a drop with 3 dimms per channel.

I can buy 8x 32 Gb or 16 x 16Gb. The first option is more expensive
than the second one, but I will have only one DIMM per channel. Any
suggestions or experience with this?

Thanks,
Dan


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Re: Mixing 4 audio sources

2015-07-02 Thread notoneofmy
On 15-07-02 5:46 PM, Peter Huber wrote:
 This is semi off-topic as it's partly a hardware question, but I don't
 really know a better place to ask.

 I have a hardware mixer on my desk to connect four sources of audio to
 one pair of headphones. It's breaking, I need replacement, and I also
 would like to free up the desk space it's taking, so I'm thinking about
 mixing on my PC. 
 Is there a way to change what the jacks on my sound card do? Can I
 somehow use 3 of the jacks as line-in while there is only 1 jack labeled
 line-in? My Windows PC can do that with a peace of software that comes
 with Realtek's driver, but I have no idea if that is a software or a
 hardware feature, if Debian has the tools to do that as well, and if
 only specific sound cards are capable of that. If it's possible, how do
 I do it?

 lspci identifies my current sound card as C-Media Electronics Inc
 CMI8738/CMI8768 PCI Audio (rev 10), but I'd be fine with buying a new
 one if that would help.
I hope this is what you're after:
http://www.jackaudio.org/

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Mixing 4 audio sources

2015-07-02 Thread Peter Huber
This is semi off-topic as it's partly a hardware question, but I don't
really know a better place to ask.

I have a hardware mixer on my desk to connect four sources of audio to
one pair of headphones. It's breaking, I need replacement, and I also
would like to free up the desk space it's taking, so I'm thinking about
mixing on my PC. 
Is there a way to change what the jacks on my sound card do? Can I
somehow use 3 of the jacks as line-in while there is only 1 jack labeled
line-in? My Windows PC can do that with a peace of software that comes
with Realtek's driver, but I have no idea if that is a software or a
hardware feature, if Debian has the tools to do that as well, and if
only specific sound cards are capable of that. If it's possible, how do
I do it?

lspci identifies my current sound card as C-Media Electronics Inc
CMI8738/CMI8768 PCI Audio (rev 10), but I'd be fine with buying a new
one if that would help.


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Re: Backup incremental com SCP

2015-07-02 Thread Flavio Menezes dos Reis
Antonio,

Qual o problema ao instalar o rsync?

Em 2 de julho de 2015 11:23, ANTONIO SPITALERI NETO 
antonio.av...@ifsp.edu.br escreveu:

 Bom dia a todos.
 Tenho aqui um servidor no qual preciso fazer backup de alguns arquivos,
 porém não consegui instalar o rsync no mesmo.
 Gostaria de saber se é possível utilizar o SCP para realizar backup
 incremental.

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Re: Sobre la sincronizacion de Rsync a traves de ssh

2015-07-02 Thread Gonzalo Rivero
El jue, 02-07-2015 a las 09:45 -0430, Nicolas escribió:
 Buenas amigos
 
 Para empezar sincronice la claves ssh entre mi servidor de pagina web
 y mi servidor de respaldo con tal que si yo hago ssh root@10.0.1.11
 entra sin pedirme contraseña
 
 Nota: Todo esto lo cree con el usuario root en ambas maquinas, es
 decir que no hay diferencias de usuario; dentro de una DMZ.
 
 Después cree un script: backup.sh dentro de /root
 
 rsync -avhe ssh --delete /var/www root@10.0.1.11:/media/root/RAID/pw
 --log-file=/root/rsync.log
 
 y lo puse en un cron asi:
 
 0 3 * * 1,2,3,4,5 /root/backup.sh  /root/backup.log 21
 
 la primera vez funciono automáticamente, ahora solo funciona si lo
 ejecuto manual, es decir si yo ejecuto el script con ./backup.sh
 
 Pero con el cron me da el siguiente error y lo he buscado pero sale
 todo en ingles cosa que no soy muy bueno ;-)
 
 Permission denied, please try again.
 Permission denied, please try again.
 Permission denied (publickey,password).
 rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) 
 [sender]
 rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(601) [sender=3.0.7]
 
 Le puse a mi servidor de respaldo a 777 sobre las carpetas a hacer
 rsync y nada creyendo que era eso porque tenían 755
 
 Lo mas raro es que tengo otro servidor que hace lo mismo y si 
 funciona
 la sincronización entre el y el servidor de respaldo diario y esta
 igual.
 
 Sera que tengo problemas con las llaves ssh?, entonces porque si yo
 hago desde mi servidor de pagina web ssh 10.0.1.11 si entra sin
 pedirme contraseña.
 
 Porque manualmente si ejecuta el script y no a través del cron, no 
 entiendo nada
 
 

por las dudas poné las rutas completas en el script (p.e. /usr/bin/ssh
y /usr/bin/rsync)

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Re: [OT] Windows to go o como instalar debian en una HP 1000 PC Notebook

2015-07-02 Thread Carlos Manuel Escalona Villeda
según lo entiendo, la Lap tiene una memoria flash adicional al disco duro
instalada con windowstogo e intenta arrancarla...

Has probado retirar el disco duro, instalar el sistema usando otro equipo e
instalarlo nuevamente

El jue., 2 de jul. de 2015 a la(s) 1:07 p. m., Aradenatorix Veckhom
Vacelaevus arad...@gmail.com escribió:

 El 2 de julio de 2015, 1:04 p. m., Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
  El Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:07:09 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
  escribió:
 
  El 2 de julio de 2015, 9:35 a. m., Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
  escribió:
  El Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:24:50 -0500, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
  escribió:
 
  El asunto es el siguiente:
 
  (...)
 
  El punto es que parece ser que eso no nos deja ahora ni siquiera
  arrancar (boot) desde el pendrive ni en sesion live ni nada.
 
  ¿Alguno de ustedes se ha encontrado con ese mismo problema, saben como
  resolverlo?
 
  En este mensaje de los foros de HP hablan de ese tema, mira a ver si te
  sirve lo que dicen:
 
  ayuda con HP 1000-1210LA Notebook PC no inicia usb ni cd/dv boooteables
 
 http://h30467.www3.hp.com/t5/Windows-8-y-otros-sistemas-para-notebooks/
  ayuda-con-HP-1000-1210LA-Notebook-PC-no-inicia-usb-ni-cd-dv/td-p/311383
 
  Gracias Camaleón, pero eso ya lo había buscado y no es mi caso, porque
  aunque desactive el secure boot, Windows to go no me deja hacer nada.
 
  Si tienes acceso a la BIOS, desactiva el inicio por USB (marca el CD/DVD
  o el disco duro), UEFI, secureboot, TPM y todo lo que suene a seguridad
  draconiana. Se trataría de decirle al sistema que no busque ese
  almacenamiento externo al iniciar.
 
 Así lo hice, pero queda en primer lugar y sin opción a deshabilitar el
 mentado windows to go.

 Y no arranca (bootea)


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Re: [OT] Windows to go o como instalar debian en una HP 1000 PC Notebook

2015-07-02 Thread Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
El 2 de julio de 2015, 1:29 p. m., Carlos Manuel Escalona Villeda
cescal...@corplogistica.com escribió:
 según lo entiendo, la Lap tiene una memoria flash adicional al disco duro
 instalada con windowstogo e intenta arrancarla...

No la he abierto, pero puede ser.

 Has probado retirar el disco duro, instalar el sistema usando otro equipo e
 instalarlo nuevamente

No, no tengo otro disco duro para eso y no quiero gastar en balde,
pensé en esa posibilidad pero la descarté porque según yo, eso está en
el BIOS, ergo, aun con otro disco duro el problema persistiría.

Creo que le pediré la máquina para poder hacer esas pruebas.

Gracias


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Re: systemd default target

2015-07-02 Thread Pablo Mercader Alcántara
El día 1 de julio de 2015, 9:20, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
 El Tue, 30 Jun 2015 22:11:24 -0400, Pablo Mercader Alcántara escribió:

 JA - JA! encontré quien es el desgraciado!! Cuando instalé debian 8 en
 las dos máquinas virtuales qemu me encontré con un problemita, GDM3 se
 moría (no se si todavía lo hace pero probablemente si) acabando de
 bootear y siempre que booteaba era lo mismo, hay un problemita pendiente
 de resolver ahí, lo reporté como un bug.

 En VirtualBox tenía problemas gnome-shell (que no GDM3), simplemente no
 funcionaba la aceleración 3D y no se cargaba, pero qemu no debería tener
 problemas ni con gnome-shell ni con GDM3.

 La cuestión es que para salir adelante le instalé KDM a mis PCs qemu y
 él es el culpable de esta situación. Por alguna razón cuando KDM está
 instalado no se respeta el default.target. En mi PC física todo estaba
 bien porque estaba usando GDM3, probablemente Camaleón también use GDM3.

 Sí, yo estoy usando gnome/gdm3 en mi testing.

 Hice la prueba de instalar KDM en mi laptop y obtuve el mismo
 comportamiento, a KDM le importa un pepino quien sea el default.target.
 Voy a reportarlo como un bug. La solución hasta ahora es no usar KDM.
 Como en mis virtuales no me funciona GDM3 solo me queda lightdm que
 es lo que estoy usando entonces, al siguiente problema entonces!

 Pues no le veo la relación ya que el entorno gráfico se carga mucho más
 tarde que systemd (obviamente), así que no veo cómo KDM puede impedir que
 systemd cargue el target seleccionado :-?

 Sí parece más lógico que el problema fuera al revés, es decir, que
 seleccionando graphical.target como predeterminado, éste no inicie.

 Gracias por las ideas y el apoyo señor Camaleón! ojala que esto le sirva
 a alguien más!

 Pues es raro que nadie lo haya notado, porque los KDEeros son legión (y
 no sólo en Debian) :-)

Hey señor Camaleón mire lo que encontré
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755359, al parecer
KDM no tiene un fichero service y en la lista de los bugs hay un par
haciendo referencia a problemas con systemd. Veo que ya hay un parcho
así que probablemente esto va a ser resuelto pronto. Como realmente no
me he sentado a analizar los pormenores de systemd y la funcion de las
diferentes partes no debería estar haciendo afirmaciones alocadas pero
si creo que esta es la fuente de mi problema. Tal vez esto mezclado
con la parte de la compatibilidad con SysV sea lo que esté causando
esto. No había reportado el bug, pero ahora en lugar de eso voy a
enviar un correo a la lista de este bug.


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Re: [SOLVED]NFS problems

2015-07-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 02 July 2015 19:55:01 Nitpicking wrote:
 On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 13:25:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
  Yup, I had forgotten to add it to /etc/fstab.  Duh.  Please don't revoke
  my linux drivers license ;-)

 We will overlook it this time, Action is generally taken in the case
 of litigants claiming memory deficiency and submitting the plea with
 a missing apostrophe and substituting an s for a c.

 Don't let it happen again.

As for license, he is an American. poor man.  He can't help it.  I plead 
mitigating circumstances, m'lud.

But I can't excuse drivers, except to point out that it is a comparatively 
minor offence, and should carry a lesser penalty even on a second offence..  
He could have said There are two driver's.

Lisi


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Re: [SOLVED]NFS problems

2015-07-02 Thread Nitpicking
On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 13:25:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

 Yup, I had forgotten to add it to /etc/fstab.  Duh.  Please don't revoke 
 my linux drivers license ;-)

We will overlook it this time, Action is generally taken in the case
of litigants claiming memory deficiency and submitting the plea with
a missing apostrophe and substituting an s for a c.

Don't let it happen again.


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Debian Jessie install failing on configure acpi-support-base

2015-07-02 Thread Leslie Rhorer
One of my servers crashed (and I need to get it up in a hurry!) so I am trying 
to re-install Jessie.  The problem is, when I run the install from the netinst 
CD, it hangs every time when it attempts to configure the acpi-support-base 
utility.  The keyboard is unresponsive.  What can I do to get this system back 
online ASAP?


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Re: I upgraded from jessie to stretch and messed up I used the dist-upgrade command....

2015-07-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Thursday 02 July 2015 18:37:21 Michael Fothergill wrote:
 I had to do aptitude install linux-firmware-nonfree to get it installed. It
 is not automatic.

No, it is not.  Upgrade doesn't know what new software you want to install!!!  
I should read up on aptitude.

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localectl list-locale : Couldn't find any console keymaps

2015-07-02 Thread Alberto Cortés
Pretty much what the subject says.

I'm trying to configure my virtual consoles in Debian Jessie.

When I ask for a listing of the available keymaps, this is what I get
instead:

  ; localectl list-keymaps
  Couldn't find any console keymaps.

Other localectl incantations seem to be working just fine:

  ; localectl list-locales
  C.UTF-8
  en_US.utf8

More info:

  ; aptitude show console-data | egrep ^State
  State: installed

P.S.: It is hard to find information about virtual console
configuration nowadays, any pointer will be helpful, thanks.


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[Off] Leitora de cartão A3

2015-07-02 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato

Olá!

Alguém usa uma leitora de cartão A3 que tem seu código aberto 
e/ou compilável no Debian, de preferência para qualquer versão desde a 
Lenny 5.0.10?



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Re: localectl list-keymaps : Couldn't find any console keymaps

2015-07-02 Thread Alberto Cortés
On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 09:53:22PM +0200, Alberto Cortés wrote:
 Pretty much what the subject says.
 
 I'm trying to configure my virtual consoles in Debian Jessie.
 
 When I ask for a listing of the available keymaps, this is what I get
 instead:
 
   ; localectl list-keymaps
   Couldn't find any console keymaps.
 
 Other localectl incantations seem to be working just fine:
 
   ; localectl list-locales
   C.UTF-8
   en_US.utf8
 
 More info:
 
   ; aptitude show console-data | egrep ^State
   State: installed
 
 P.S.: It is hard to find information about virtual console
 configuration nowadays, any pointer will be helpful, thanks.

First, sorry about the subject mistake and change.

Now, more info:

  ; strace localectl list-keymaps 21 | tail -7
  lstat(/usr/share/kbd/keymaps, 0x7ffceed35a40) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or 
directory)
  lstat(/usr/lib/kbd/keymaps, 0x7ffceed35a40) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or 
directory)
  lstat(/lib/kbd/keymaps, 0x7ffceed35a40) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or 
directory)
  writev(2, [{Couldn't find any console keymap..., 34}, {\n, 1}], 2Couldn't 
find any console keymaps.
  ) = 35
  exit_group(1)   = ?
  +++ exited with 1 +++

That directories are not present on my system.

The console-data package seems to install some keymaps on other directories
though:

  ; dpkg -L console-data | grep keymaps
  [...]
  /usr/share/keymaps
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-de-emacs.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-us.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-uk-deadkeys.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-de.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-fr.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-se.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-us-deadkeys.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-uk.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-de-deadkeys.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/atari/atari-se-deadkeys.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/amiga
  /usr/share/keymaps/amiga/amiga-it.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/amiga/amiga-es.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/amiga/amiga-fr.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/amiga/amiga-de.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/amiga/amiga-se.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/amiga/amiga-us.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/amiga/amiga-sg.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/i386
  /usr/share/keymaps/i386/fgGIod
  /usr/share/keymaps/i386/fgGIod/trf.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/i386/fgGIod/trfu.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/i386/fgGIod/tr_f-latin5.kmap.gz
  /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty
  [...]


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Re: Connexion réseau Lan hs

2015-07-02 Thread Christophe

Le 02/07/2015 18:24, André a écrit :

Je pense que la canicule d'hier est passée par là


Ou peut-être lié la seconde intercalaire du début de semaine ?

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Re: [Off] Leitora de cartão A3

2015-07-02 Thread Linux - Junior Polegato

On 02-07-2015 18:25, Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, Leandro wrote:

Em 2 de julho de 2015 18:21, Linux - Junior Polegato
li...@juniorpolegato.com.br escreveu:

 Alguém usa uma leitora de cartão A3 que tem seu código aberto e/ou
compilável no Debian, de preferência para qualquer versão desde a Lenny
5.0.10?

Não parece fora de tópico, embora eu não saiba o que seja um cartão A3.




Olá!

Me refiro ao certificado digital A3, o qual exige uma mídia 
criptográfica, smartcard+leitora ou token.


Serve também token, não precisa ser somente a leitora, quem já 
teve alguma experiência, boa ou ruim, e puder compartilhar, seria bom 
para quem vai ter que encarar essa empreitada.


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Issue with Intel soundcard and jack detection

2015-07-02 Thread Yann Fertat
Hi,

I own an Asus P8P67
(https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8P67/specifications/), coming with
an integrated Intel soundcard. The specs identifies the chipset as
Realtek® ALC 892. OS is Debian 8.1 x64, up to date running Cinamon,
but issue exists also with Gnome 3.

With the speakers connected to the front panel jack, I had random
volumes jumps, cracklings...
After investigating with pulseaudio -vvv, I discovered that the jack
was detected/undetected. Logs looked like:
[pulseaudio] module-alsa-card.c: Jack 'Front Mic Jack' is now plugged in

2 similar bugs are here:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1002480
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1004607

Please note that this is NOT an issue with my hardware/cables, since
under Windows I have no issue at all (with Linux, sound is not stable
more that 10 min).

I was not able to solve the issue, but I found a workaround: I changed
the jack detection delay like so:
# cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
options snd-hda-intel jackpoll_ms=250


I'm fairly new to Debian, so I don't know how this could help others,
or maybe be included in mainstream Debian?


Thanks for your suggestions!

Regards.


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Re: [testing] Gnome 3.16

2015-07-02 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Une autre bizarrerie: sur mon portable que je viens de mettre à jour,
maintenant il m'ouvre abiword à chaque fois que je me logue ...

Gaëtan

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Re: [testing] Gnome 3.16

2015-07-02 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le Fri, 3 Jul 2015 00:16:46 +0200
Gaëtan PERRIER gaetan.perr...@neuf.fr a écrit:

 Une autre bizarrerie: sur mon portable que je viens de mettre à jour,
 maintenant il m'ouvre abiword à chaque fois que je me logue ...
 

Et maintenant plus moyen de me logguer ... :(

Gaëtan

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Re: System freeze with multiple ttys in Debian Jessie

2015-07-02 Thread Brian
On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 18:45:24 +0100, Brian wrote:

 On Thu 02 Jul 2015 at 17:58:35 +0200, August Karlstrom wrote:
 
  Could it be related to the graphics driver? What card/driver do you
  use? I remember having issues with switching between ttys when using
  the NVIDIA driver in Debian Wheezy:
 
 I don't know. The machine uses nouveau and my graphics expertise is very
 low. Sorted the apparent randomness: use CTRL+ALT+F1 and go to a terminal
 in the usual way works for me.
 
  http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=42t=168108
  
  However, in Wheezy I never had any such problems with the (free
  default) Nouveau driver.
 
 I have another machine which has never run anything but unstable with
 sysvinit for many years. It also uses nouveau. There is no sign of this
 behaviour on it. Colour me stumped.

The colour has changed to That looks like light at the end of the
tunnel. :)

The exit command is a bash builtin command. It causes bash to exit, as
does CTRL-D. When bash exits a getty is respawned with a new login
prompt on the terminal. You do not see this new login prompt because you
have been switched to X - but it is there; have a look at 'ps ax'. On my
machine I can get to it (X is on tty1) by pressing CTRL+ALT+F1 (I stay
in X at this point) and then CTRL+ALT+Fn (I am now on ttyn).

The graphics driver route doesn't feel right as an explanation. I do not
know what the explanation is in any detail but here is something to do
which is constructive and instructive:

  mv ~/.bash_logout ~/.bash_logout-orig

and exit. Where are you now? X or a terminal?

The ~/.bash_logout files on this machine and my working unstable machine
are identical. clear_console(1) on both tells me the same thing.

  clear_console -q

on the unstable machine always leaves me at a terminal; on this machine
the command almost always puts me into X.



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