Re: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: Andrei Popescu wrote: (about getting ctl-alt-backspace back): You need Option DontZap false in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf (check the manpage for xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). This worked for about a week -- but nannyism has crept further. In the latest Sid, even this trick doesn't work anymore. How to get it back, I wonder. I just enabled keyboard layout in KSystemsettingsRegionalLanguageKeyboard Layout, and there, in advanced tab I check: Key sequence to kill X server (Control+Alt+Backspace). Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
emikaadeo wrote: I just enabled keyboard layout in KSystemsettingsRegionalLanguageKeyboard Layout, and there, in advanced tab I check: Key sequence to kill X server (Control+Alt+Backspace). I filed a bug against xserver-xorg about the disappearance of control-alt-backspace, and the maintainer (Julien Cristau) wrote back saying DontZap will be changed back to off by default soon. He also gave the tip to re-enable control-alt-backspace by including in the XKBOPTIONS line in /etc/default/console-setup: terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp After which (to be on the safe side) you have to reboot. I suppose this will be necessary (for those without KDE/Gnome) until DontZap = off becomes the default again. Regards, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Lu,08.iun.09, 19:58:19, widux wrote: for me right-Alt + Print + k ^ You probably mean SysRq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Lu,08.iun.09, 19:34:24, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: This worked for about a week -- but nannyism has crept further. In the latest Sid, even this trick doesn't work anymore. How to get it back, I wonder. Make sure you're using LeftAlt instead of RightAlt (this could be mapped to AltGr) and use xev to check the keys you press generate the codes you expect them to. Also check Xorg.0.log for any errors. If you can't find anything wrong it's a bug. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Jan Willem Stumpel said: widux wrote: Hi, for me right-Alt + Print + k does the trick! Greetings How on earth did you find this out? You mean you don't hit those keys accidentally all the time? -- Best, Marc Change requires small steps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Andrei Popescu wrote: (about getting ctl-alt-backspace back): You need OptionDontZap false in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf (check the manpage for xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). This worked for about a week -- but nannyism has crept further. In the latest Sid, even this trick doesn't work anymore. How to get it back, I wonder. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Am Montag 08 Juni 2009 19:34:24 schrieb Jan Willem Stumpel: Andrei Popescu wrote: (about getting ctl-alt-backspace back): You need Option DontZap false in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf (check the manpage for xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). This worked for about a week -- but nannyism has crept further. In the latest Sid, even this trick doesn't work anymore. How to get it back, I wonder. Hi, for me right-Alt + Print + k does the trick! Greetings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On 8 Jun 2009, at 18:58, widux wi...@web.de wrote: Am Montag 08 Juni 2009 19:34:24 schrieb Jan Willem Stumpel: Andrei Popescu wrote: (about getting ctl-alt-backspace back): You need OptionDontZap false in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf (check the manpage for xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). This worked for about a week -- but nannyism has crept further. In the latest Sid, even this trick doesn't work anymore. How to get it back, I wonder. Hi, for me right-Alt + Print + k does the trick! Greetings Works for me too. Left alt works as well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
widux wrote: Hi, for me right-Alt + Print + k does the trick! Greetings How on earth did you find this out? Also, do you know where this is set, so I could change it? Or is it hard-coded somehow? Anyway, thanks for the information. Regards, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On 2009-06-08 21:29 +0200, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: widux wrote: Hi, for me right-Alt + Print + k does the trick! Greetings How on earth did you find this out? Don't know about everyone else, but I've heard about it first from Michael Prokop when I discovered that a version of GRML¹ would not reboot properly. Also, do you know where this is set, so I could change it? Or is it hard-coded somehow? Anyway, thanks for the information. Wikipedia has a good article² about it. You should also file a bug report about Ctrl-Alt-Backspace not working despite DontZap set to off in xorg.conf. Sven ¹ http://grml.org ² http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Jun 8, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: widux wrote: Am Montag 08 Juni 2009 19:34:24 schrieb Jan Willem Stumpel: Andrei Popescu wrote: (about getting ctl-alt-backspace back): You need OptionDontZap false in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf (check the manpage for xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). This worked for about a week -- but nannyism has crept further. In the latest Sid, even this trick doesn't work anymore. How to get it back, I wonder. Hi, for me right-Alt + Print + k does the trick! Greetings How does that map to the Macintosh keyboard? I have no key(s) marked print. On a Dell keyboard Print Screen is also marked SysRq. But there's no Sysrq key on the Mac keyboard, either... How on earth did you find this out? Also, do you know where this is set, so I could change it? Or is it hard-coded somehow? Anyway, thanks for the information. I am equally flabergasted at the apparent obscurity of this key combo. Thanks for the help! Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Am Montag 08 Juni 2009 22:28:33 schrieb Rick Thomas: On Jun 8, 2009, at 3:29 PM, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: widux wrote: Am Montag 08 Juni 2009 19:34:24 schrieb Jan Willem Stumpel: Andrei Popescu wrote: (about getting ctl-alt-backspace back): You need OptionDontZap false in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf (check the manpage for xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). This worked for about a week -- but nannyism has crept further. In the latest Sid, even this trick doesn't work anymore. How to get it back, I wonder. Hi, for me right-Alt + Print + k does the trick! Greetings How does that map to the Macintosh keyboard? I have no key(s) marked print. On a Dell keyboard Print Screen is also marked SysRq. But there's no Sysrq key on the Mac keyboard, either... How on earth did you find this out? Also, do you know where this is set, so I could change it? Or is it hard-coded somehow? Anyway, thanks for the information. Hi Jan, no, it didn't find this out on my own ;) It found it on the sidux board: http://sidux.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-16472.html Glad that it works for you. Greetings -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 04:15:12PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: from the man page: Option DontZap boolean This disallows the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace sequence. That sequence is normally used to terminate the Xorg server. When this option is enabled, that key sequence has no special meaning and is passed to clients. Default: off. Yes, 'man xorg.conf' or 'man xorg' would have found it for me. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
IMHO disabling an old and trusted functionality is simply introducing a bug, made worse by keeping silent about it (no word about it in changelog.gz or NEWS.Debian.gz). It must surely be a tiny minority of users who press control-alt-backspace by mistake; I find it hard to imagine even. But for users who suffer from this syndrome there has always been the possibility of specifying DontZap. Forcing it on all users is a Bad Thing. Regards, Jan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Jan Willem Stumpel said: IMHO disabling an old and trusted functionality is simply introducing a bug, made worse by keeping silent about it (no word about it in changelog.gz or NEWS.Debian.gz). It must surely be a tiny minority of users who press control-alt-backspace by mistake; I find it hard to imagine even. But for users who suffer from this syndrome there has always been the possibility of specifying DontZap. Forcing it on all users is a Bad Thing. +1 -- Best, Marc Change requires small steps. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
marc wrote: Jan Willem Stumpel said: IMHO disabling an old and trusted functionality is simply introducing a bug, made worse by keeping silent about it (no word about it in changelog.gz or NEWS.Debian.gz). It must surely be a tiny minority of users who press control-alt-backspace by mistake; I find it hard to imagine even. But for users who suffer from this syndrome there has always been the possibility of specifying DontZap. Forcing it on all users is a Bad Thing. +1 +1 Note to self : disabling rm and fdisk commands, catching shutdown and reboot commands to make them fail silently unless they are issued five times in a row in less than 1 minute, dumbing down all system settings and removing root access in KDE4 systemsettings (oh! it's already been done, good...), don't let myself install dangerous packages (nmap, parted, ...). Remove root account (oh! not again! It's already been done too.). To be continued. Don't try to protect people from their ignorance, enlighten them. Happy Sunday. Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 02:03:06PM +0100, thveillon.debian wrote: Note to self : disabling rm The default of both KDE and GNOME is to use the trashcan. There's also safe-rm. The literal 'rm -rf /' has also been disabled. and fdisk commands, catching shutdown and reboot commands to Check out molly-guard. -- Tzafrir Cohen | tzaf...@jabber.org | VIM is http://tzafrir.org.il || a Mutt's tzaf...@cohens.org.il || best ICQ# 16849754 || friend -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 02:03:06PM +0100, thveillon.debian wrote: Note to self : disabling rm The default of both KDE and GNOME is to use the trashcan. There's also safe-rm. The literal 'rm -rf /' has also been disabled. and fdisk commands, catching shutdown and reboot commands to Check out molly-guard. Yep, I know about that, it was the point, and a joke too... The DontZap case isn't an isolated one, it's a trend. Those changes are pushed in order to get GNU-Linux ready for the desktop of Mr. Mrs. everybody I guess, say it's the Ubuntu law of Linux desktop evolution. Thanks for the answer though, I read of the rm -rf / thing but was never curious (foolish?) enough to try it on my system. Jokefully yours, Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On 2009-05-31_14:03:06, thveillon.debian wrote: marc wrote: Jan Willem Stumpel said: IMHO disabling an old and trusted functionality is simply introducing a bug, made worse by keeping silent about it (no word about it in changelog.gz or NEWS.Debian.gz). It must surely be a tiny minority of users who press control-alt-backspace by mistake; I find it hard to imagine even. But for users who suffer from this syndrome there has always been the possibility of specifying DontZap. Forcing it on all users is a Bad Thing. +1 +1 Note to self : disabling rm and fdisk commands, catching shutdown and reboot commands to make them fail silently unless they are issued five times in a row in less than 1 minute, dumbing down all system settings and removing root access in KDE4 systemsettings (oh! it's already been done, good...), don't let myself install dangerous packages (nmap, parted, ...). Remove root account (oh! not again! It's already been done too.). To be continued. Don't try to protect people from their ignorance, enlighten them. Debian does not subscribe to some configuration decisions that are common practice in the external world. I think silently changing this feature of X is something to which Debian should not subscribe. I hope that X, as packaged by Debian, will continue to have this feature enabled, regardless of what the rest of the world does. I was reminded of this creeping nannyism recently when a new user of Debian was apparently unaware of the existence of the su command. He apparently believed that sudo was the only way to gain access to super-user rights, and was distraut when it didn't work on his new Debian Lenny installation. He asked a question that was totally misunderstood because it was worded in a very misleading way for the Debian context. -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Fri May 29 2009, Andrei Popescu wrote: You need Option DontZap false in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf (check the manpage for xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). I have: Section ServerFlags Option DontZapoff from the man page: Option DontZap boolean This disallows the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace sequence. That sequence is normally used to terminate the Xorg server. When this option is enabled, that key sequence has no special meaning and is passed to clients. Default: off. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 Registered Ubuntu User #12459 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Hello all, I've noticed that Ctrl-Alt-Backspace no longer kills X for me (sid). I see Ubuntu has disabled this key combination. What about Debian? Is it me or Xorg? And how could I re-enable this functionality? Switch to terminal, ps ax, kill is possible, but clunky if I am testing a bunch of window managers. Thanks. -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Joel Roth wrote: Hello all, I've noticed that Ctrl-Alt-Backspace no longer kills X for me (sid). I see Ubuntu has disabled this key combination. What about Debian? Is it me or Xorg? And how could I re-enable this functionality? Switch to terminal, ps ax, kill is possible, but clunky if I am testing a bunch of window managers. Thanks. Dunno about Sid, but in Kubuntu, you type as root: dontzap --disable And it permanently re-enables Ctrl + Alt + Backspace. Hope this applies to Sid too! Muzer -- -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.1 GCS/CM/IT d++ s+:- a C+++ UL+++ P L E--- W+++ N o? K? w--- O+ M-- V- PS PE? Y-- PGP- t+ 5? X- R-- tv+ b++ DI D G++ e- h! !r y --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Fri,29.May.09, 08:26:53, Joel Roth wrote: Hello all, I've noticed that Ctrl-Alt-Backspace no longer kills X for me (sid). I see Ubuntu has disabled this key combination. What about Debian? It was disabled upstream (in Xorg) Is it me or Xorg? And how could I re-enable this functionality? Switch to terminal, ps ax, kill is possible, but clunky if I am testing a bunch of window managers. You need Option DontZap false in the ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf (check the manpage for xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
Joel Roth ha scritto: Hello all, I've noticed that Ctrl-Alt-Backspace no longer kills X for me (sid). I see Ubuntu has disabled this key combination. What about Debian? Is it me or Xorg? And how could I re-enable this functionality? Switch to terminal, ps ax, kill is possible, but clunky if I am testing a bunch of window managers. Thanks. Had this issue with ubuntu, search for that option in your system settings (kde4 - worked for me) / control center (gnome); the idea is that some lusers would ctrl+alt+backspace by mistake (wtf???), so someone decided it should be disabled by default. Not disabled on my kde4 debian box, but I'm using testing, not sid :D -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:26, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: Hello all, I've noticed that Ctrl-Alt-Backspace no longer kills X for me (sid). I see Ubuntu has disabled this key combination. What about Debian? Is it me or Xorg? And how could I re-enable this functionality? Switch to terminal, ps ax, kill is possible, but clunky if I am testing a bunch of window managers. Just FYI, I believe this change has gone into upstream xorg, not just Debian/Ubuntu (though Ubuntu was the main one pushing for it). Cheers, Kelly Clowers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace disabled?
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 09:51:19PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: On Fri,29.May.09, 08:26:53, Joel Roth wrote: Hello all, I've noticed that Ctrl-Alt-Backspace no longer kills X for me (sid). I see Ubuntu has disabled this key combination. What about Debian? It was disabled upstream (in Xorg) Is it me or Xorg? And how could I re-enable this functionality? Switch to terminal, ps ax, kill is possible, but clunky if I am testing a bunch of window managers. You need OptionDontZap false xorg.conf, I'm writing from memory). Yes, the following in xorg.conf works for me. Thanks for your help! Section ServerOptions Option DontZap false EndSection -- Joel Roth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
