Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
Chris Jones wrote: On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:12:57AM EDT, Csanyi Pal wrote: Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com writes: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based (snip) There was another reply recommending unicode-rxvt in this thread, so I'll take a look as soon as time allows. Main reasons I not sure about switching are that I have done a bit of 256-color customization that probably won't just work with urxvt, and more importantly, xterm support via mailing lists newsgroups is very quick and to the point. uxterm ? It's in my Debian menu under terminal emulators. Paul Scott -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 01:28:08PM EDT, Paul Scott wrote: Chris Jones wrote: Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com writes: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based (snip) There was another reply recommending unicode-rxvt in this thread, so I'll take a look as soon as time allows. Main reasons I not sure about switching are that I have done a bit of 256-color customization that probably won't just work with urxvt, and more importantly, xterm support via mailing lists newsgroups is very quick and to the point. uxterm ? It's in my Debian menu under terminal emulators. I didn't read the fine print, but uxterm is only a short wrapper that sets the locale if not UTF-8 and exec's xterm with the -u8 flag. The issue here is whether xterm is fontconfig-aware and has the ability to do what Andrei says urxvt does: gracefully switch to a different font when the default font lacks a certain range of glyphs (unicode plane?). Per ldd, on lenny, xterm is linked to libfontconfig - but all the same, in my setup, font substitution is not happening. :-( Note that I know very little about fontconfig, so someone correct me if I'm wrong. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com writes: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based applications such as mutt for mail, text-mode browsers - ELinks here... irc clients, etc. and would be able to provide some advice. I'm using the Urxvt terminal. aptitude show rxvt-unicode RXVT-like terminal emulator with Unicode support rxvt-unicode is a modern, Unicode-aware color xterm replacement that uses significantly less memory than a conventional xterm and many other Unicode supporting terminal emulators. It supports using multiple fonts at the same time, including Xft fonts, and client-server technology to reduce memory consumption when using multiple windows. This package contains the program version with most commonly-used features enabled, including transparency, (16-bit) Unicode and FreeType font support. I have the file ~/.Xdefaults setup: URxvt.colorRV: red #URxvt.geometry: 100x40 URxvt.geometry: 100x38 URxvt.tintColor: gray URxvt.shading: 100 URxvt.inheritPixmap: True URxvt.foreground: Cyan3 URxvt.foreground: Black URxvt.font: -biznet-fixed-*-*-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-*-* URxvt.boldFont: -cronyx-fixed-bold-*-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-*-* URxvt.internalBorder: 5 URxvt.externalBorder: 5 URxvt.cursorBlink: True -- Regards, Paul Csanyi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 08:12:57AM EDT, Csanyi Pal wrote: Chris Jones cjns1...@gmail.com writes: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based applications such as mutt for mail, text-mode browsers - ELinks here... irc clients, etc. and would be able to provide some advice. I'm using the Urxvt terminal. [..] I have the file ~/.Xdefaults setup: URxvt.colorRV: red #URxvt.geometry: 100x40 URxvt.geometry: 100x38 URxvt.tintColor: gray URxvt.shading: 100 URxvt.inheritPixmap: True URxvt.foreground: Cyan3 URxvt.foreground: Black URxvt.font: -biznet-fixed-*-*-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-*-* URxvt.boldFont: -cronyx-fixed-bold-*-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-*-* URxvt.internalBorder: 5 URxvt.externalBorder: 5 URxvt.cursorBlink: True Hey Paul, nice to see you're still reading this list! There was another reply recommending unicode-rxvt in this thread, so I'll take a look as soon as time allows. Main reasons I not sure about switching are that I have done a bit of 256-color customization that probably won't just work with urxvt, and more importantly, xterm support via mailing lists newsgroups is very quick and to the point. I dropped aterm a few years ago because even though I may have been asking dumb questions, I never got any kind of answers. Add to it that the xterm gentleman is also the ncurses developer, I'm not sure I want to switch. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
On Sun,28.Jun.09, 00:43:58, Chris Jones wrote: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based applications such as mutt for mail, text-mode browsers - ELinks here... irc clients, etc. and would be able to provide some advice. How should I set up my terminal - xterm - and what might be a good unicode fixed font that could make the experience more true to life? Though I don't use very special characters, I noticed that rxvt-unicode will display just about anything (and in Debian you do come across various scripts). AFAIU from the docs it dynamically loads the correct font if the default one (I use Terminus) won't be enough. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
Chris Jones wrote: How should I set up my terminal - xterm - and what might be a good unicode fixed font that could make the experience more true to life? The Debian package xfonts-efont-unicode has very wide character coverage (incl. Chinese/Japanese). For tips on how to set it up, google my page Configuring xterm for UTF-8. Another thing is that I would like to be able to display all the glyphs of a given font so I can tell at a glance what scripts are covered. I use xfd: xfd -fn '-efont-biwidth-medium-r-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-iso10646-*' xfd from the x11-utils package is fine, but it does not appear to support Truetype fonts. The efonts aren't Truetype. You get the oldfashioned xterm look feel. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
Chris Jones: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based applications such as mutt for mail, text-mode browsers - ELinks here... irc clients, etc. and would be able to provide some advice. How should I set up my terminal - xterm - and what might be a good unicode fixed font that could make the experience more true to life? I am using xfce4-terminal (modern but lightweight Gtk+ application) and Deja Vu Mono and all my foreign spam is rendered nicely in mutt. :) I think you just have to install font packages for cyrillic, chinese etc. and xfce4-terminal picks them up automatically. $ dpkg -l xfonts-\* | grep ^ii ii xfonts-100dpi1:1.0.0-4 100 dpi fonts for X ii xfonts-75dpi 1:1.0.0-4 75 dpi fonts for X ii xfonts-base 1:1.0.0-6 standard fonts for X ii xfonts-encodings 1:1.0.2-3 Encodings for X.Org fonts ii xfonts-intl-arabic 1.2.1-7 International fonts for X -- Arabic ii xfonts-intl-asian1.2.1-7 International fonts for X -- Asian ii xfonts-intl-chinese 1.2.1-7 International fonts for X -- Chinese ii xfonts-intl-european 1.2.1-7 International fonts for X -- European ii xfonts-intl-japanese 1.2.1-7 International fonts for X -- Japanese ii xfonts-intl-phonetic 1.2.1-7 International fonts for X -- Phonetic Alphab ii xfonts-jmk 3.0-18 James M. Knoble's character-cell fonts for X ii xfonts-mathml2 Type1 Symbol font for MathML ii xfonts-scalable 1:1.0.0-7 scalable fonts for X ii xfonts-terminus 4.28-1 Fixed-width fonts for fast reading ii xfonts-utils 1:7.4+1X Window System font utility programs J. -- My drug of choice is self-pity. [Agree] [Disagree] http://www.slowlydownward.com/NODATA/data_enter2.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 05:51:59AM EDT, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote: Chris Jones wrote: How should I set up my terminal - xterm - and what might be a good unicode fixed font that could make the experience more true to life? The Debian package xfonts-efont-unicode has very wide character coverage (incl. Chinese/Japanese). For tips on how to set it up, google my page Configuring xterm for UTF-8. I also found your general discussion re: International Text on Linux. Looks promising. I gave the efont packages a shot and at pxlsz 16 the font looks great at least where I can formulate an opinion - for alphabet-based scripts - and it pretty much passes the test provided by Markus Kuhn in his UTF8 demo file. [..] xfd from the x11-utils package is fine, but it does not appear to support Truetype fonts. The efonts aren't Truetype. You get the oldfashioned xterm look feel. I guess that's because the efont comes in a variety of sizes - the GNU unifont has tons of glyphs but only a *-16-160-* version and appears to have been converted to the .ttf format to provide something scalable at a more affordable cost. Thanks, CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
Chris Jones: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based applications such as mutt for mail, text-mode browsers - ELinks here... irc clients, etc. and would be able to provide some advice. How should I set up my terminal - xterm - and what might be a good unicode fixed font that could make the experience more true to life? I am using xfce4-terminal (modern but lightweight Gtk+ application) and Deja Vu Mono and all my foreign spam is rendered nicely in mutt. :) I think you just have to install font packages for cyrillic, chinese etc. and xfce4-terminal picks them up automatically. late to the thread, and didn't ready other posts, but, have you tried urxvt or rxvt-unicode? apt-cache search rxvt-unicode rxvt-unicode - RXVT-like terminal emulator with Unicode support rxvt-unicode-lite - RXVT-like terminal emulator with basic Unicode support rxvt-unicode-ml - multi-lingual terminal emulator with Unicode support for X11 /tony -- http://www.baldwinsoftware.com free/open source software tcl yer os with a feather... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
Chris Jones wrote: Another thing is that I would like to be able to display all the glyphs of a given font so I can tell at a glance what scripts are covered. gucharmap is a great app for this. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 09:22:02AM EDT, Jochen Schulz wrote: Chris Jones: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based applications such as mutt for mail, text-mode browsers - ELinks here... irc clients, etc. and would be able to provide some advice. How should I set up my terminal - xterm - and what might be a good unicode fixed font that could make the experience more true to life? I am using xfce4-terminal (modern but lightweight Gtk+ application) and Deja Vu Mono and all my foreign spam is rendered nicely in mutt. :) I think you just have to install font packages for cyrillic, chinese etc. and xfce4-terminal picks them up automatically. Is xfce4-terminal fontconfig-aware - so as to be able to switch to other fonts automatically? CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:02:38AM EDT, Tony Baldwin wrote: Chris Jones: Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based applications such as mutt for mail, text-mode browsers - ELinks here... irc clients, etc. and would be able to provide some advice. How should I set up my terminal - xterm - and what might be a good unicode fixed font that could make the experience more true to life? I am using xfce4-terminal (modern but lightweight Gtk+ application) and Deja Vu Mono and all my foreign spam is rendered nicely in mutt. :) I think you just have to install font packages for cyrillic, chinese etc. and xfce4-terminal picks them up automatically. late to the thread, and didn't ready other posts, but, have you tried urxvt or rxvt-unicode? I'll give it a shot. But I'd rather stick with xterm. Not sure whether there are any plans to make it fontconfig-aware. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 01:33:43PM EDT, Sjoerd Hiemstra wrote: Chris Jones wrote: Another thing is that I would like to be able to display all the glyphs of a given font so I can tell at a glance what scripts are covered. gucharmap is a great app for this. I guess that's the one I was looking for. For some reason I was unable to find the name of the package. I was looking for something called gfontview or gnome-font-viewer and was unable to find it. Not bad for a GUI app - fontmatrix was hogging my CPU real bad and I'm glad I was able to get rid of it. CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Unicode recommendations in a terminal - Please advise.
Wondering if anyone has some multilingual experience with terminal-based applications such as mutt for mail, text-mode browsers - ELinks here... irc clients, etc. and would be able to provide some advice. How should I set up my terminal - xterm - and what might be a good unicode fixed font that could make the experience more true to life? On top of English etc., the Terminus font that I currently use appears to render Cyrillic and Greek satisfactorily at least in mutt. Unfortunately it doesn't have the glyphs for much anything else. I tried the Deja Vu Sans Mono, and it has significantly more, mostly in the area of symbols - stuff like Wingdings, mostly. Not much good if you are trying to view English text with some embedded Chinese for instance. Another thing is that I would like to be able to display all the glyphs of a given font so I can tell at a glance what scripts are covered. xfd from the x11-utils package is fine, but it does not appear to support Truetype fonts. fontmatrix does it, but I would prefer something smaller. Before I try to write my own, I was wondering if s/o knew of a simple text-mode utility that just displays the glyphs as a matrix on the terminal..? Thanks, CJ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
