Draft ballot
Here is the draft ballot:
Voting period starts 2024-04-06 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2024-04-19 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2024/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2024".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
You might also want to read discussions with the candidates at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 3 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 3. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 3.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None of the above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None of the above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None of the above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None of the above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
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unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
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of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
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that your vote is in the list.
VOTING FORM
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
9c605edd-40a5-469c-9489-cbf80ac05970
[ ] Choice 1: Andreas Tille
[ ] Choice 2: Sruthi Chandran
[ ] Choice 3: None Of The Above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
secretary, is appended below.
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Draft ballot
Here is the draft ballot.
Voting period starts 2023-04-01 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2023-04-14 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2023/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2023".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
You might also want to read discussions with the candidates at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 2 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 2. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 2.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None of the above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None of the above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None of the above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None of the above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
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of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
that can be used to calculate that hash. This allows you to verify
that your vote is in the list.
VOTING FORM
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
593b4a1a-56be-45f6-b74e-db404069c55b
[ ] Choice 1: Jonathan Carter
[ ] Choice 2: None Of The Above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
secretary, is appended below.
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Re: Draft ballot
Thanks Kurt, this text looks good to me!
On Sat, Sep 17, 2022 at 10:57:32PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>Hi,
>
>This is the draft ballot.
>
> Voting period starts 2022-09-18 00:00:00 UTC
> Votes must be received by 2022-10-01 23:59:59 UTC
>
>This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
>You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
>For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
>
>The details of the general resolution can be found at:
>https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
>
>Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of the
>vote by sending a signed mail to
> bal...@vote.debian.org
>with the subject "gr_non_free_firmware".
>
>To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
>
>
>HOW TO VOTE
>
>First, read the full text of the options.
>
>You might also want to read discussions at
>https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
>
>To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
>dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below. The
>dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
>
> gr_non_free_firmw...@vote.debian.org
>
>The form you need to fill out is contained bellow in this message, marked
>with two lines containing the characters '-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase
>anything between those lines, and do not change the choice names.
>
>There are 7 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between 1
>and 7. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2
>in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you reach your
>last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 7.
>
>You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
>equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
>choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
>
>To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None of the above" as more desirable
>than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None of the above"
>choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
>"None of the above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
>unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
>"None of the above" choice by the voting software).
>
>Finally, mail the filled out ballot to:
>gr_non_free_firmw...@vote.debian.org.
>
>Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">")
>that your reply inserts.
>
>NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
>in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
>encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
>
>The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
>unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
>(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
>
>VOTING SECRECY
>
>This is a secret vote. After the voting period there will be a record
>of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
>a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
>that can be used to calculate that hash. This allows you to verify
>that your vote is in the list. This secret is sent in an encrypted
>mail.
>
>VOTING FORM
>
>- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>575929bb-88aa-449d-8174-12e5ca850cd6
>[ ] Choice 1: Only one installer, including non-free firmware
>[ ] Choice 2: Recommend installer containing non-free firmware
>[ ] Choice 3: Provide installers with and without non-free firmware
>[ ] Choice 4: Installer with non-free software is not part of Debian
>[ ] Choice 5: Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, one installer
>[ ] Choice 6: Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, keep both
>installers
>[ ] Choice 7: None Of The Above
>- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
>--
>
>The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created for
>this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project secretary,
>is appended below.
>
>BALLOT OPTIONS
>
>Choice 1: Only one installer, including non-free firmware
>=
>
>We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware"
>section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and
>live images). The included firmware binaries will *normally* be enabled by
>default where the system determines that th
Draft ballot
Hi,
This is the draft ballot.
Voting period starts 2022-09-18 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2022-10-01 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_003
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of the
vote by sending a signed mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "gr_non_free_firmware".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the options.
You might also want to read discussions at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below. The
dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
gr_non_free_firmw...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained bellow in this message, marked
with two lines containing the characters '-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase
anything between those lines, and do not change the choice names.
There are 7 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between 1
and 7. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2
in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you reach your
last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 7.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None of the above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None of the above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None of the above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None of the above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to:
gr_non_free_firmw...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">")
that your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a secret vote. After the voting period there will be a record
of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
that can be used to calculate that hash. This allows you to verify
that your vote is in the list. This secret is sent in an encrypted
mail.
VOTING FORM
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
575929bb-88aa-449d-8174-12e5ca850cd6
[ ] Choice 1: Only one installer, including non-free firmware
[ ] Choice 2: Recommend installer containing non-free firmware
[ ] Choice 3: Provide installers with and without non-free firmware
[ ] Choice 4: Installer with non-free software is not part of Debian
[ ] Choice 5: Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, one installer
[ ] Choice 6: Change SC for non-free firmware in installer, keep both installers
[ ] Choice 7: None Of The Above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created for
this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project secretary,
is appended below.
BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: Only one installer, including non-free firmware
=
We will include non-free firmware packages from the "non-free-firmware"
section of the Debian archive on our official media (installer images and
live images). The included firmware binaries will *normally* be enabled by
default where the system determines that they are required, but where
possible we will include ways for users to disable this at boot (boot menu
option, kernel command line etc.).
When the installer/live system is running we will provide information to
the user about what firmware has been loaded (both free and non-free), and
we will *also* store that information on the target system such that users
will be able to find it later. Where non-free firmware is found to be
necessary, the target system will also be configured to use the
non-free-firmware component
DPL vote draft ballot
Hi,
Here is the draft ballot.
Voting period starts 2022-04-03 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2022-04-16 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2022".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
You might also want to read discussions with the candidates at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 4 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 4. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 4.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None of the above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None of the above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None of the above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None of the above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a secret vote. After the voting period there will be a record
of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
that can be used to calculate that hash. This allows you to verify
that your vote is in the list.
VOTING FORM
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
8802d270-eac5-4cbe-b2f4-1c4e4bba968f
[ ] Choice 1: Felix Lechner
[ ] Choice 2: Jonathan Carter
[ ] Choice 3: Hideki Yamane
[ ] Choice 4: None Of The Above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
secretary, is appended below.
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Re: Draft ballot voting secrecy GR
An other update:
Voting period starts 2022-03-13 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2022-03-26 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on changing the resolution process.
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_001
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a signed mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "gr_vote_secrecy".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
gr_vote_secr...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained below in this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 4 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 4. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 4.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None of the above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None of the above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None of the above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None of the above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: gr_vote_secr...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">")
that your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a non-secret vote. After the voting period is over the details on
who voted what will be published. During the vote itself the only
information that will be published is who voted.
You can encrypt your message to the voting system to keep your vote secret
until the end of the voting period. The software will also try to keep
your vote secret and will encrypt the reply it sends to you.
VOTING FORM
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6acf7f89-3eb2-492c-8715-98ae65b5f9d2
[ ] Choice 1: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote
[ ] Choice 2: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote and allow
verification
[ ] Choice 3: Reaffirm public voting
[ ] Choice 4: None of the above
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--
BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote
=
Rationale
=
During the vote for GR_2021_002, several developers said they were
uncomfortable voting because under the process at that time, their name
and ballot ranking would be public.
A number of participants in the discussion believe that we would get
election results that more accurately reflect the will of the developers
if we do not make the name associated with a particular vote on the
tally sheet public.
Several people believed that the ranked votes without names attached
would still be valuable public information.
This proposal would treat all elections like DPL elections.
At the same time it relaxes the requirement that the secretary must
conduct a vote via email. If the requirement for email voting is
removed, then an experiment is planned at least with the belenios voting
system [1]. belenios may provide better voter secrecy and an easier
web-based voting system than our current email approach.
If this proposal passes, adopting such an alternative
would require sufficient support in the project but would not require
another constitutional amendment.
[1]: https://lists.debian.org/yhotrixtz3aip...@roeckx.be
This proposal increases our reliance on the secretary's existing power
to decide how votes are conducted. The lack of an
Re: Draft ballot voting secrecy GR
Updated ballot:
Voting period starts 2022-03-13 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2022-03-26 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on changing the resolution process.
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_001
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a signed mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "gr_vote_secrecy".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
gr_vote_secr...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained below in this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 4 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 4. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 4.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "Further Discussion" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "Further Discussion"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"Further Discussion" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"Further Discussion" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: gr_vote_secr...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">")
that your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a non-secret vote. After the voting period is over the details on
who voted what will be published. During the vote itself the only
information that will be published is who voted.
You can encrypt your message to the voting system to keep your vote secret
until the end of the voting period. The software will also try to keep
your vote secret and will encrypt the reply it sends to you.
VOTING FORM
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6acf7f89-3eb2-492c-8715-98ae65b5f9d2
[ ] Choice 1: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote
[ ] Choice 2: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote and allow
verification
[ ] Choice 3: Reaffirm public voting
[ ] Choice 4: None of the above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote
=
Rationale
=
During the vote for GR_2021_002, several developers said they were
uncomfortable voting because under the process at that time, their name
and ballot ranking would be public.
A number of participants in the discussion believe that we would get
election results that more accurately reflect the will of the developers
if we do not make the name associated with a particular vote on the
tally sheet public.
Several people believed that the ranked votes without names attached
would still be valuable public information.
This proposal would treat all elections like DPL elections.
At the same time it relaxes the requirement that the secretary must
conduct a vote via email. If the requirement for email voting is
removed, then an experiment is planned at least with the belenios voting
system [1]. belenios may provide better voter secrecy and an easier
web-based voting system than our current email approach.
If this proposal passes, adopting such an alternative
would require sufficient support in the project but would not require
another constitutional amendment.
[1]: https://lists.debian.org/yhotrixtz3aip...@roeckx.be
This proposal increases our reliance on the secretary's existing power
to decide how votes are conducted. The lack of an
Re: Draft ballot voting secrecy GR
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 18:09:20 +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Choice 3: Reaffirm public voting > > > ince we can either have [...] I assume this was meant to start with "Since"? smcv
Re: Draft ballot voting secrecy GR
I don't think you updated this template after the last GR: On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 06:09:20PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > [ ] Choice 1: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote > [ ] Choice 2: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote and > allow verification > [ ] Choice 3: Reaffirm public voting > [ ] Choice 4: Further Discussion AFAIK, FD doesn't exist anymore, this should be NOTA now. -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. More about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Draft ballot voting secrecy GR
Here is the draft ballot:
Voting period starts 2022-03-13 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2022-03-26 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on changing the resolution process.
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2022/vote_001
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a signed mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "gr_vote_secrecy".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
gr_vote_secr...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained below in this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 4 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 4. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 4.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "Further Discussion" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "Further Discussion"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"Further Discussion" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"Further Discussion" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: gr_vote_secr...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">")
that your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a non-secret vote. After the voting period is over the details on
who voted what will be published. During the vote itself the only
information that will be published is who voted.
You can encrypt your message to the voting system to keep your vote secret
until the end of the voting period. The software will also try to keep
your vote secret and will encrypt the reply it sends to you.
VOTING FORM
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6acf7f89-3eb2-492c-8715-98ae65b5f9d2
[ ] Choice 1: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote
[ ] Choice 2: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote and allow
verification
[ ] Choice 3: Reaffirm public voting
[ ] Choice 4: Further Discussion
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: Hide identities of Developers casting a particular vote
=
Rationale
=
During the vote for GR_2021_002, several developers said they were
uncomfortable voting because under the process at that time, their name
and ballot ranking would be public.
A number of participants in the discussion believe that we would get
election results that more accurately reflect the will of the developers
if we do not make the name associated with a particular vote on the
tally sheet public.
Several people believed that the ranked votes without names attached
would still be valuable public information.
This proposal would treat all elections like DPL elections.
At the same time it relaxes the requirement that the secretary must
conduct a vote via email. If the requirement for email voting is
removed, then an experiment is planned at least with the belenios voting
system [1]. belenios may provide better voter secrecy and an easier
web-based voting system than our current email approach.
If this proposal passes, adopting such an alternative
would require sufficient support in the project but would not require
another constitutional amendment.
[1]: https://lists.debian.org/yhotrixtz3aip...@roeckx.be
This proposal increases our reliance on th
Draft ballot statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board
Here is the draft ballot:
Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on a regarding Richard Stallman's
readmission to the FSF board
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a signed mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "gr_rms".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
gr_...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained below in this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 8 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 8. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 8.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "Further Discussion" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "Further Discussion"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"Further Discussion" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"Further Discussion" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: gr_...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">")
that your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a non-secret vote. After the voting period is over the details on
who voted what will be published. During the vote itself the only
information that will be published is who voted.
You can encrypt your message to the voting system to keep your vote secret
until the end of the voting period. The software will also try to keep
your vote secret and will encrypt the reply it sends to you.
VOTING FORM
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4c932db2-1cdc-4ea0-a6f7-ac8ba2fc010c
[ ] Choice 1: Call for the FSF board removal, as in rms-open-letter.github.io
[ ] Choice 2: Call for Stallman's resignation from all FSF bodies
[ ] Choice 3: Discourage collaboration with the FSF while Stallman is in a
leading position
[ ] Choice 4: Call on the FSF to further its governance processes
[ ] Choice 5: Support Stallman's reinstatement, as in
rms-support-letter.github.io
[ ] Choice 6: Denounce a witch-hunt against RMS and the FSF
[ ] Choice 7: Debian will not issue a public statement on this issue
[ ] Choice 8: Further Discussion
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: Call for the FSF board removal, as in rms-open-letter.github.io
=
The Debian Project co-signs the statement regarding Richard
Stallman's readmission to the FSF board seen at
https://github.com/rms-open-letter/rms-open-letter.github.io/blob/main/index.md.
The text of this statement is given below.
Richard M. Stallman, frequently known as RMS, has been a
dangerous force in the free software community for a long time. He
has shown himself to be misogynist, ableist, and transphobic, among
other serious accusations of impropriety. These sorts of beliefs
have no place in the free software, digital rights, and tech
communities. With his recent reinstatement to the Board of Directors
of the Free Software Foundation, we call for the entire Board of the
FSF to step down and for RMS to be removed from all leadership
positions.
We, the undersigned, believe in the necessity of digital autonomy
and the powerful role user free
Draft ballot DPL election
Here is a draft ballot for the DPL election:
Voting period starts 2021-04-04 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2021".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
You might also want to read discussions with the candidates at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 3 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 3. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 3.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None Of The Above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None Of The Above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None Of The Above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None Of The Above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a secret vote. After the voting period there will be a record
of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
that can be used to calculate that hash. This allows you to verify
that your vote is in the list.
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f9533fc1-129b-41db-822c-be8fe8e9faa6
[ ] Choice 1: Jonathan Carter
[ ] Choice 2: Sruthi Chandran
[ ] Choice 3: None Of The Above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
secretary, is appended below.
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Draft ballot
Hi,
This is the draft ballot.
Voting period starts 2020-04-05 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2020-04-18 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2020/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2020".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
You might also want to read discussions with the candidates at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
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Re: Updated draft ballot
On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 07:54:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:55:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Here is a new draft ballot:
>
> Here is a new one:
And even a newer one:
Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002
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7b77e0f2-4ff9-4adb-85e4-af249191f27a
[ ] Choice 1: F: Focus on systemd
[ ] Choice 2: B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
[ ] Choice 3: A: Support for multiple init systems is Important
[ ] Choice 4: D: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
[ ] Choice 5: H: Support portability, without blocking progress
[ ] Choice 6: E: Support for multiple init systems is Required
[ ] Choice 7: G: Support portability and multiple implementations
[ ] Choice 8: Further Discussion
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BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: F: Focus on systemd
=
This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the Debian
constitution:
Cross-distribution standards and cooperation are important factors in the
choice of core Debian technologies. It is important to recognize that the
Linux ecosystem has widely adopted systemd and that the level of
integration of systemd technologies in Linux systems will increase with
time.
Debian is proud to support and integrate many different technologies. With
everything we do, the costs and benefits need to be considered, both for
users and in terms of the effects on our development community. An init
system is not an isolated component, but is deeply integrated in the core
layer of the system and affects many packages. We believe that the
benefits of supporting multiple init systems do not outweigh the costs
Re: Updated draft ballot
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 11:55:59PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is a new draft ballot:
Here is a new one:
Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002
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7b77e0f2-4ff9-4adb-85e4-af249191f27a
[ ] Choice 1: F: Focus on systemd
[ ] Choice 2: B: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
[ ] Choice 3: A: Support for multiple init systems is Important
[ ] Choice 4: D: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
[ ] Choice 5: H: Support portability, without blocking progress
[ ] Choice 6: E: Support for multiple init systems is Required
[ ] Choice 7: G: Support portability and multiple implementations
[ ] Choice 8: Further Discussion
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BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: F: Focus on systemd
==
This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the Debian
constitution:
Cross-distribution standards and cooperation are important factors in the
choice of core Debian technologies. It is important to recognize that the
Linux ecosystem has widely adopted systemd and that the level of
integration of systemd technologies in Linux systems will increase with
time.
Debian is proud to support and integrate many different technologies. With
everything we do, the costs and benefits need to be considered, both for
users and in terms of the effects on our development community. An init
system is not an isolated component, but is deeply integrated in the core
layer of the system and affects many packages. We believe that the
benefits of supporting multiple init systems do not outweigh the costs.
Debian can continue to provide and explore other init systems, but systemd
is the only officially supported init sys
Re: Draft ballot
Ian Jackson writes ("Re: Draft ballot"):
> It doesn't count lines from the start, or anything like that.
> So yes, I think it works the way we would hope.
Note that the checking of the "title" is not very good:
# Checking the whole damned line was creating too many false positives
# Check the first word for each line in the ballot, and hope
# ballots are going to be sufficiently different
Can you put the proposal letters in at the start of the titles ?
That would probably make this check more effective.
Ian.
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Re: Draft ballot
Kurt Roeckx writes ("Re: Draft ballot"):
> As far as I know, devotee checks the text. But I have no idea if
> it supports resorting. If you want to know, I suggest you just
> look at the source.
The vote.d.o page had a link to this
https://vote.debian.org/~secretary/devotee.git/
which I looked at.
The code iterates over the lines of the message body. The key part
looks like this:
next unless /\[\s*([[:alnum:]])\s*\]\s*(Choice\s+([[:alnum:]]):\s*(.*))$/;
my $orig_rank = $1;
my $option = $2;
my $orig_candidate = $3;
It doesn't count lines from the start, or anything like that.
So yes, I think it works the way we would hope.
Thanks,
Ian.
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Updated draft ballot
Hi,
Here is a new draft ballot:
Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a signed mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
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than 8.
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- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
7b77e0f2-4ff9-4adb-85e4-af249191f27a
[ ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd
[ ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
[ ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Important
[ ] Choice 4: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
[ ] Choice 5: Support portability, without blocking progress
[ ] Choice 6: Support for multiple init systems is Required
[ ] Choice 7: Support portability and multiple implementations
[ ] Choice 8: Further Discussion
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
BALLOT OPTIONS
Choice 1: Focus on systemd
==
This resolution is a position statement under section 4.1 (5) of the Debian
constitution:
Cross-distribution standards and cooperation are important factors in the
choice of core Debian technologies. It is important to recognize that the
Linux ecosystem has widely adopted systemd and that the level of
integration of systemd technologies in Linux systems will increase with
time.
Debian is proud to support and integrate many different technologies. With
everything we do, the costs and benefits need to be considered, both for
users and in terms of the effects on our development community. An init
system is not an isolated component, but is deeply integrated in the core
layer of the system and affects many packages. We believe that the
benefits of supporting multiple init systems do not outweigh the costs.
Debian can continue to provide and explore other init systems, but systemd
is the only officially supported init system. Wishlist bug reports with
patches can be submitted, which package maintainers should review like
othe
Re: Draft ballot
On Thu, Dec 05, 2019 at 07:07:03PM +, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Kurt Roeckx writes ("Draft ballot"):
> > [ ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd
> > [ ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
> > [ ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Important
> > [ ] Choice 4: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
> > [ ] Choice 5: Support for multiple init systems is Required
> > [ ] Choice 6: Support portability and multiple implementations
> > [ ] Choice 7: Further Discussion
>
> Obviously this is the draft before G+D. I had a question, though:
>
> May we reorder this when we send in our ballots, for example:
>
> > [ 1 ] Choice 7: Further Discussion
> > [ 2 ] Choice 5: Support for multiple init systems is Required
> > [ 3 ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Important
> > [ 4 ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
> > [ 5 ] Choice 6: Support portability and multiple implementations
> > [ 6 ] Choice 4: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
> > [ 7 ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd
>
> supposedly from some mad person who really likes prime-numbered
> options, and therefore ranks FD first because 7 is the biggest prime.
>
> If this is supported it makes voting a lot less confusing. I just
> wanted to check that this ballot will be interpreted the "obvious"
> way.
>
> If it is not supported, will it at least be detected ?
As far as I know, devotee checks the text. But I have no idea if
it supports resorting. If you want to know, I suggest you just
look at the source.
Kurt
Re: Draft ballot
Kurt Roeckx writes ("Draft ballot"):
> [ ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd
> [ ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
> [ ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Important
> [ ] Choice 4: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
> [ ] Choice 5: Support for multiple init systems is Required
> [ ] Choice 6: Support portability and multiple implementations
> [ ] Choice 7: Further Discussion
Obviously this is the draft before G+D. I had a question, though:
May we reorder this when we send in our ballots, for example:
> [ 1 ] Choice 7: Further Discussion
> [ 2 ] Choice 5: Support for multiple init systems is Required
> [ 3 ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Important
> [ 4 ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
> [ 5 ] Choice 6: Support portability and multiple implementations
> [ 6 ] Choice 4: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
> [ 7 ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd
supposedly from some mad person who really likes prime-numbered
options, and therefore ranks FD first because 7 is the biggest prime.
If this is supported it makes voting a lot less confusing. I just
wanted to check that this ballot will be interpreted the "obvious"
way.
If it is not supported, will it at least be detected ?
Thanks,
Ian.
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Re: Re: Draft ballot
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:53:10PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > How can you issue the ballot without consensus. That is over my head. What do you think there is no consensus about that is relevant? I did not see anybody sponsor Ian's GR yet, so it seems to me I have no other option than to proceed. Kurt
Re: Re: Draft ballot
How can you issue the ballot without consensus. That is over my head.
Re: Draft ballot
Hi Kurt, On 04.12.19 20:18, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:13:30PM +0100, Micha Lenk wrote: Does a ballot for a DPL vote contain the platforms or just the options? Just the options. But looking at old ballots, the last non-DPL election also had the full text of the options. I'd then prefer the full text on this ballot too (if that counts). Regards, Micha
Re: Draft ballot
On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 08:13:30PM +0100, Micha Lenk wrote: > Does a ballot for a DPL vote contain the platforms or just the options? Just the options. But looking at old ballots, the last non-DPL election also had the full text of the options. Kurt
Re: Draft ballot
Does a ballot for a DPL vote contain the platforms or just the options?
Re: Draft ballot
I don't know if the text should be in the ballot. I did ask someone who has not been in this discussion to review the ballot without the text. They are not a DD. But they found just the choice titles entirely mystifying. But it would be really long with all the text.
Draft ballot
Hi,
Do you think it's useful to also have the text of all the options
in the ballot?
Here is the draft ballot:
Voting period starts 2019-12-07 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2019-12-27 23:59:59 UTC
The following ballot is for voting on init systems and systemd
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the general resolution can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a signed mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "gr_initsystems".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
gr_initsyst...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 7 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 7. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 7.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "Further Discussion" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "Further Discussion"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"Further Discussion" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"Further Discussion" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: gr_initsyst...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
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You can encrypt your message to the voting system to keep your vote secret
until the end of the voting period. The software will also try to keep
your vote secret and will encrypt the reply it sends to you.
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7b77e0f2-4ff9-4adb-85e4-af249191f27a
[ ] Choice 1: Focus on systemd
[ ] Choice 2: Systemd but we support exploring alternatives
[ ] Choice 3: Support for multiple init systems is Important
[ ] Choice 4: Support non-systemd systems, without blocking progress
[ ] Choice 5: Support for multiple init systems is Required
[ ] Choice 6: Support portability and multiple implementations
[ ] Choice 7: Further Discussion
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The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
secretary, is appended below.
Draft ballot
This is the draft ballot.
Voting period starts 2019-04-07 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2019-04-20 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2019".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
You might also want to read discussions with the candidates at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 5 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 5. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 5.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None Of The Above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None Of The Above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None Of The Above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None Of The Above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
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of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
that can be used to calculate that hash. This allows you to verify
that your vote is in the list.
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[ ] Choice 1: Joerg Jaspert
[ ] Choice 2: Jonathan Carter
[ ] Choice 3: Sam Hartman
[ ] Choice 4: Martin Michlmayr
[ ] Choice 5: None Of The Above
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Re: draft ballot
On Sun, Apr 02, 2017 at 12:46:56AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 11:00:40PM +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 09:30:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > > Here is the draft ballot.
> >
> > Thanks for it!
> >
> > This draft does not contain any information regarding the secrecy of the
> > vote. I know that the vote will be secret (according to the
> > consttution), but in the recentish past there was a thread asking for
> > this detail to be specified in the ballot, and I think it should be
> > outlined in this one too.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot about it. I just copied the
> ballot from last year which didn't have that yet. This is the
> first secret vote to have this text, so comments are welcome. Here
> is the new draft:
I've also added a link to the list archives, new draft:
Voting period starts 2017-04-02 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2017-04-15 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2017/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2017".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
You might also want to read discussions with the candidates at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 3 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 3. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 3.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None Of The Above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None Of The Above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None Of The Above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None Of The Above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a secret vote. After the voting period there will be a record
of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
that can be used to calculate that hash. This allows you to verify
that your vote is in the list.
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
4bfd7999-2252-4a5f-8f4e-e10ea7b8fdf8
[ ] Choice 1: Mehdi Dogguy
[ ] Choice 2: Chris Lamb
[ ] Choice 3: None Of The Above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created
for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project
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Re: draft ballot
On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 11:00:40PM +0200, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 09:30:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > Here is the draft ballot.
>
> Thanks for it!
>
> This draft does not contain any information regarding the secrecy of the
> vote. I know that the vote will be secret (according to the
> consttution), but in the recentish past there was a thread asking for
> this detail to be specified in the ballot, and I think it should be
> outlined in this one too.
Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot about it. I just copied the
ballot from last year which didn't have that yet. This is the
first secret vote to have this text, so comments are welcome. Here
is the new draft:
Voting period starts 2017-04-02 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2017-04-15 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2017/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2017".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 3 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 3. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 3.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None Of The Above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None Of The Above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None Of The Above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None Of The Above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
VOTING SECRECY
This is a secret vote. After the voting period there will be a record
of all the votes without the name of the voter. It will instead contain
a cryptographic hash. You will receive a secret after you have voted
that can be used to calculate that hash. This allows you to verify
that your vote is in the list.
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4bfd7999-2252-4a5f-8f4e-e10ea7b8fdf8
[ ] Choice 1: Mehdi Dogguy
[ ] Choice 2: Chris Lamb
[ ] Choice 3: None Of The Above
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Re: draft ballot
On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 09:30:41PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Here is the draft ballot. Thanks for it! This draft does not contain any information regarding the secrecy of the vote. I know that the vote will be secret (according to the consttution), but in the recentish past there was a thread asking for this detail to be specified in the ballot, and I think it should be outlined in this one too. -- regards, Mattia Rizzolo GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18 4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540 .''`. more about me: https://mapreri.org : :' : Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri `. `'` Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia `- signature.asc Description: PGP signature
draft ballot
Here is the draft ballot.
Kurt
Voting period starts 2017-04-02 00:00:00 UTC
Votes must be received by 2017-04-15 23:59:59 UTC
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
https://www.debian.org/vote/2017/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2017".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 3 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
1 and 3. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1.
Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you
reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger
than 3.
You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options
equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired
choices, and ranked below all ranked choices.
To vote "no, no matter what", rank "None Of The Above" as more desirable
than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the "None Of The Above"
choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the
"None Of The Above" choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other
unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the
"None Of The Above" choice by the voting software).
Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org.
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters (">") that
your reply inserts.
NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is
in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed,
encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption.
The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an
unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail
(RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME.
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
4bfd7999-2252-4a5f-8f4e-e10ea7b8fdf8
[ ] Choice 1: Mehdi Dogguy
[ ] Choice 2: Chris Lamb
[ ] Choice 3: None Of The Above
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
--
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Re: Draft ballot
On Sat, Apr 02, 2016 at 11:21:11PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > Hi, > > Here is the draft ballot: > > Voting period starts Sun Apr 3 00:00:00 UTC 2016 > Votes must be received by Sat Apr 16 23:59:59 UTC 2016 I've changed that to: Voting period starts 2016-04-03 00:00:00 UTC Votes must be received by 2016-04-16 23:59:59 UTC Kurt
Draft ballot
Hi,
Here is the draft ballot:
Voting period starts Sun Apr 3 00:00:00 UTC 2016
Votes must be received by Sat Apr 16 23:59:59 UTC 2016
This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution.
You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution.
For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org.
The details of the candidate's platform can be found at:
http://www.debian.org/vote/2016/platforms/
Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of
the vote by sending a mail to
bal...@vote.debian.org
with the subject "leader2016".
To vote you need to be a Debian Developer.
HOW TO VOTE
First, read the full text of the platform.
To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a
dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below.
The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is:
leader2...@vote.debian.org
The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this
message, marked with two lines containing the characters
'-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not
change the choice names.
There are 2 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between
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Re: draft ballot
also sprach Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be [2015-04-01 01:03 +0200]: Voting period starts Wed Apr 1 00:00:00 UTC 2015 Votes must be received by Tue Apr 14 23:59:59 UTC 2015 Or just go with a standard: 2015-04-01 00:00:00 UTC -- .''`. martin f. krafft madduck@d.o @martinkrafft : :' : proud Debian developer `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems die philosophie ist eine art rache an der wirklichkeit. - friedrich nietzsche digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current)
Re: draft ballot
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:34:01AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Monday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, April 14th, 2015 That should of course be: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Tuesday, April 14th, 2015 Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150331223512.ga23...@roeckx.be
Re: draft ballot
* Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be, 2015-04-01, 00:35: Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Monday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, April 14th, 2015 That should of course be: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Tuesday, April 14th, 2015 I have a feature request for future ballots: Could you use a date format that is understood by date(1)? The current one is not: $ date -d '00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015' date: invalid date ‘00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015’ -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150331225730.ga3...@jwilk.net
Re: draft ballot
On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:57:30AM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Kurt Roeckx k...@roeckx.be, 2015-04-01, 00:35: Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Monday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, April 14th, 2015 That should of course be: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Tuesday, April 14th, 2015 I have a feature request for future ballots: Could you use a date format that is understood by date(1)? The current one is not: $ date -d '00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015' date: invalid date '00:00:00 UTC on Wednesday, April 1st, 2015' So: Voting period starts Wed Apr 1 00:00:00 UTC 2015 Votes must be received by Tue Apr 14 23:59:59 UTC 2015 Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20150331230359.ga24...@roeckx.be
draft ballot
Here is the draft ballot: Voting period starts 00:00:00 UTC on Monday, April 1st, 2015 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Sunday, April 14th, 2015 This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting questions or problems contact secret...@debian.org. The details of the candidate platform can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2015/platforms/ Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time before the end of the vote by sending a mail to bal...@vote.debian.org with the subject leader2015. To vote you need to be a Debian Developer. HOW TO VOTE First, read the full text of the platform. To cast a vote, it is necessary to send this ballot filled out to a dedicated e-mail address, in a signed message, as described below. The dedicated email address this ballot should be sent to is: leader2...@vote.debian.org The form you need to fill out is contained at the bottom of this message, marked with two lines containing the characters '-=-=-=-=-=-'. Do not erase anything between those lines, and do not change the choice names. There are 4 choices in the form, which you may rank with numbers between 1 and 4. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue until you reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 3. You may skip numbers, leave some choices unranked, and rank options equally. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. To vote no, no matter what, rank None Of The Above as more desirable than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the None Of The Above choice and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. (Note: if the None Of The Above choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the None Of The Above choice by the voting software). Finally, mail the filled out ballot to: leader2...@vote.debian.org. Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters () that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed, encrypted ballot: use the vote key appended below for encryption. The voting software (Devotee) accepts mail that either contains only an unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail (RFC 3156 compliant). To avoid problems I suggest you use PGP/MIME. - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 1455c447-77dc-4237-b0f9-be3897bb2b80 [ ] Choice 1: Mehdi Dogguy [ ] Choice 1: Gergely Nagy [ ] Choice 3: Neil McGovern [ ] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project secretary, is appended below. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1 mQINBFUbIAkBEAC9uIv5zHSJJzolXSxpGxCR7QsI6jdn93IOd+iz7RiKgOFRRkTA oj0ZkzN7kcGWGDyebVUPPweOJo7JmftPMKq15pzbVb2N4Cs9rlYFAnnVQ7NDl8l8 qTyWQ7iUX+WSTT5NLU3f0MU0ZO+rY8QO3ha8OWgbiVqIgnthoTwB1pVtM9b9FJtp 9jXMjEjiiwsRywzYiAc7ZVib5514jZCSJrIHS6gfb7MxFOLUPeCbVtJUS4WB+Pl2 LvfhWSSOPn5d1HyaJJyRVVzfDPVnlu6/IbwgxsyQs1vGZfK/UWXfFgjKg/LORGiu 0acWuPwHkEeK6jsDmdXlCdARm2hu4rWnuXIhJQR2UCV7LYZIz5wUDi3TGRsp86Gq S2wdzzXTgw+Wxtm086WveleyJvhoyQOtWjl4W5d4/NUCP5FynGgt/Qh6eEnzr3jS PZ2oZ6MLLe6lT9GRl/bRgdu2Q26GtDQ9OyeG+zU9hyGTFfGINaSMhiHa1HTLTFIa nr+T5vbni14bMMAhuzL/nNiROqGm3DpBqu+MqXFMl7KpoBuY/fHmBSSiQ0pVMnhN sazg8XZunPHrIW2TBvdozYjTHioZPPYL1PtG7Q6X9hdid8u5z0Gtt8OwrF1RpwSF 0H69trBL7BlltgcAF4oW5IqikQ3OEwu66aMdcu/WbL9sQvTjrsSc8qHh/QARAQAB tCpEUEwgdm90ZSAyMDE1IDxsZWFkZXIyMDE1QHZvdGUuZGViaWFuLm9yZz6JAj4E EwECACgFAlUbIAkCGwMFCQAXuwAGCwkIBwMCBhUIAgkKCwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJ EMqaX6zYUX5vszIP/3VMgSI72JGaLKmDJ1XPdP51mXcAW3VtJc0d6L65Vah08DYk KnLd2eRyR3NXZlAoTMeIWI5ani3BwfT6cUH99hYbxLjiecW3TPZUfN9fer+etKWm 9jPqOjqJf6Sx7XCGqCBrLUUhfjvHO6HpSr11H+jJ77STo4p8ihiURLD7EUs6dqHj YRp7HkCi83Ol7MvwEPqG6B7ZqMfD8k6QmK8Az/Va4JC2bKj/kHCVMoXZiLulVxsC xgqlau52duXbF6Qbz1evpoAlvfMraqspq2YoLBugh9dNlVMUAzNU+TWynon9puIe ExfLEDGQ9REnO37L4DB+ymEtrKeQsopvSfgb9WmVbenSv+3K7PNnfJLbSHLhg5hu LTOgz4cbd3FIfg7W9td7nXhQ68CPVpRg80Soa1ZLwxeCLdG3DOoB1+khc3Gx5PgJ vSk+3FjT6e+teRmPu2ZKTTAskxkV3eUGV5kfDuVhfMQD6HG3e7HB37ZcFAbX9JUt dViHQj7X/jeQpGhnZ7FmodDJjObxUcgqtmY0K0b3B+jEwPudoXeKCmF7lKdVQOeI kvXlVlx0J6u7d0+Qty96hRxASomGGR8kR/zsDRfEV2TyzjpXfhrTikVyIrj+lp27 fOwHZCDzpTdy6ENYH3s0ZrljtyFCTjfnmISo/k1A9a7Ikir2Sp1U8U7EaCwjiQIc BBABCgAGBQJVGyBVAAoJECBkxTZBwl5d6R4QAIDks9M91QjjMMisWAYmmDbQUIt0 xT6wGDyNw0/nBQdBhuAWoV+/pFFirdlV+xuLPSSptg9pGkI2hWEM8+OQJzj4HGqx CDUYiK1Q8cA0OgMrl0oFAfBq9UinNSg28NHIHbJputDEVVbLDfqBPmfwg5ylKXJj i
Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote
Hi all, Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply ASAP. Thanks, Neil == Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Thursday, 4th Dec 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Wednesday, 10th Dec 2008 Please note the shortened time for voting as per [EMAIL PROTECTED] The following ballot is for voting on a General Resolution on Project's membership procedures. The vote is being conducted in accordance with the policy delineated in Section A, Standard Resolution Procedure, of the Debian Constitution. The details of the general resolution can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_002 You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting questions contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOW TO VOTE First, read the full text of the GR and all amendments. The ballot does not claim to be complete rendition of the proposals, or even accurately depict the spirit of each proposal. Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the choice names. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 4. Continue till you reach your last choice. You may skip numbers. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1= X = 4). To vote no, no matter what rank Further discussion as more desirable than the unacceptable choices, or You may rank the Further discussion choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the Further Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further discussion choice by the voting software). Then mail the ballot to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters () that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. You may optionally encrypt your ballot using the public key included below. Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time by sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject gr_membership - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 5efca670-0e7b-480e-9899-ecce3446e087 [ ] Choice 1: Ask the DAMs to postpone the changes until vote or concensus. [ ] Choice 2: Invite the DAM to further discuss until vote or concensus, leading to a new proposal. [ ] Choice 3: Ask the DAMs to implement the changes. [ ] Choice 4: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by Devotee (DEbian VOTe EnginE) using the vote key created for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the assistant secretary, is appended below. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEk2t3wRBACPU3+rNGEAmfyaNrmxEEmaIPiCneDD0Ma/hZ6mV7NV1P6JeD4C wUwSikdkoIaibgxUNQeGFRNhUK5gCtUTtMiX3/kjSjnwN6HVL2ISB60qbAyeNTTC gAYltexTeR7oYncv5TSMPDcEX1BSgYioF1DYfAmW352ErhR7BwBMvO09dwCgnBOg At2cynP67uPgE5L7T0dyrxED/1XMAHv/k9IRBbIkgZT1N7qsabzGxdo9ftBAPB0j BQKM4+e/VjrBgSqgQEs93CdR6/ibZ59opldFFfE9yEIdJkoDQRvvhcJSBqFMjwe1 rZT7YA5PtVlBL5P0VdEhcQT4SfTJ2N7wUSD7U55I/PdlLKzc6122pmGf1Sm7afeI pDsZA/wMhbnHrQZOa9youNkE93x4bO1uHDzc1DA6/djZ/Hcxs6ry0ER+D2KUTcv4 8MpcwUiuOp28VK5QQUtkQXadCIYouC4SD7f385LPPI/eMQGKt2RSxOADSNJnSmua na9A8NKqW19Uv2VfIURKF4RBX6ckygrOp0ZXLWzs0SzUIWwdHrRkUHJvamVjdCBt ZW1iZXJzaGlwIHByb2NlZHVyZXMgZ2VuZXJhbCByZXNvbHV0aW9uIGtleSAoRXBo ZW1lcmFsIEtleSkgPGdyX21lbWJlcnNoaXBAdm90ZS5kZWJpYW4ub3JnPohmBBMR AgAmBQJJNrd8AhsDBQkAC92ABgsJCAcDAgQVAggDBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQEahA TxLxufhvLQCeJ/FzXM9j09C5huHO4YENocSAZPoAoJDSDk8PcYgrTM/mSLxKepcR SdvoiEYEEBECAAYFAkk2t8UACgkQ97LBwbNFvdMmvACffpqy3Z69Xc74lwNkL57D LosqBB0Ani7kTXGg1ZuFIB/AfDPSckC9nfMOuQINBEk2t4MQCACZpiFE7BbnKyBU KG54gjNVul1CzSTQGEPslGmICwcYJiBeDdKSXsTiDtW8jK8w6NcoAB3FWgXPfZYi mS9arbTy8xpEgFaoQP9jYC3m+g2tP2K/4SeVOU1OG0p2cOj8X8255zd9mkjsriHJ ocDQWEw9Fu6ZT//bngYN92Oo563jUP3SQEYvn7vfDs332/4aOIDtzq4SSjwkKeSO wIpzypHe1xjjRT8pySJ1ve74vbnnGp8ImeI2FB5i78OfXS/Isd0dMd0Kd79et0T+ 8nyXcgiTB2Y3AVG0gckuT+pl5uDd2j94Q/9ucKwPRFKZO0O+ty1iCXBeYOJZdmWG mEaQkl53AAMFB/9+CAysBr1ScJs3O2Fobwn7r42DIDWud7BuZizqgIoBf8cMda8U SFUH5ToxdQo/sl2jx2CJS4pDET4jJ5Tm047HuL5Gan/pDXJTzgyqvLPAwfUTA/eE 2jYRQhj9V84o6uUes481Z8pAoheaXXZMJJHkrCqs8x/JIdJoR5u/SNBtSKhHW9pT Zcqv3Y4j+d3fdLxBokfG+wX0yWWFs43DHpUI5IPNCAwVGQSnnIcidlmVS7o+WTHR 0mnJPDdS+TQP9FoVSqJ9J5xwv8fDO5xEXjUgF4bDKESZLfMZ9W0D1Yfqwhd8YsTf JXhsOE+4s3Ofbrx6uYLPXC30/rI77/MvxsKViE8EGBECAA8FAkk2t4MCGwwFCQAL 3YAACgkQEahATxLxufjfTQCdEPtWkU5/keEhYy2j3fSF9GQaCDwAn3LSuBPhdrEK kr6e/XZvFVL+fikq =ZPkE -END PGP PUBLIC KEY
Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: [ ] Choice 1: Ask the DAMs to postpone the changes until vote or concensus. [ ] Choice 2: Invite the DAM to further discuss until vote or concensus, leading to a new proposal. s/concensus/consensus/ ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote
On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 03:01:36PM -0600, Guilherme de S. Pastore wrote: On Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: [ ] Choice 1: Ask the DAMs to postpone the changes until vote or concensus. [ ] Choice 2: Invite the DAM to further discuss until vote or concensus, leading to a new proposal. s/concensus/consensus/ ? Adjusted, thanks. Neil -- Roses are Red Violets are Blue In Soviet Russia Poem writes YOU!! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote
Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : Hi all, Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply ASAP. Hi Neil The vote page has three mutually exclusive texts, with headers named Choice 1, Choice 2 and Choice 3 that respectively correspond to Choice 2, Choice 1 and Choice 3 in the ballot. I am affraid it is misleading. Shall I commit a change to the webpage to reorder and / or renumber the choices? http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_002 Also, you removed and all the contributors in Choice2 of the ballot (Choice 1 of the GR), which in my opinion is crucial. But since after the vote of the GR, the wording of the choices has no role in iterpreting the GR, just go ahead if you disagree. Have a nice day, -- Charles -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote
On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 08:44:32AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Wed, Dec 03, 2008 at 05:21:16PM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : Hi all, Here's the draft ballot for the GR. Please note the timescale and reply ASAP. Hi Neil The vote page has three mutually exclusive texts, with headers named Choice 1, Choice 2 and Choice 3 that respectively correspond to Choice 2, Choice 1 and Choice 3 in the ballot. I am affraid it is misleading. Shall I commit a change to the webpage to reorder and / or renumber the choices? I've removed the numbers which should appear shortly. Also, you removed and all the contributors in Choice2 of the ballot (Choice 1 of the GR), which in my opinion is crucial. But since after the vote of the GR, the wording of the choices has no role in iterpreting the GR, just go ahead if you disagree. I don't agree I'm afraid. Thanks, Neil -- Yoe is _that_ gunnar? weasel yes Yoe what happened to his tires? towersbe He's shrunk. I think his wife washed him at too high a temperature. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for the Project membership procedures vote
On 04/12/08 at 09:44 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Le Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 12:05:39AM +, Neil McGovern a écrit : Also, you removed and all the contributors in Choice2 of the ballot (Choice 1 of the GR), which in my opinion is crucial. But since after the vote of the GR, the wording of the choices has no role in iterpreting the GR, just go ahead if you disagree. I don't agree I'm afraid. I regret that you did not feedback when I made propositions for the ballot and that you do not explain why you disagree. I think that your wording is detrimental to the choice that is the least embarassing for Jörg (or second least, after further discussion), but I accept your decision and will not discuss further unless invited to do so. Bah, the wording of this choice is so convoluted in the GR that it's impossible to summarize it in a few words in the ballot, so I'm fine with what Neil came up with. For example, I would have liked to see Thank the DAM, invite the DAM to further discuss until vote or concensus, leading to a new proposal.. The fact that the proposal explicitely thanks the DAM was a reason for which several DDs said that they wouldn't vote it above FD. -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
* Peter Palfrader ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [081101 09:26]: Also note that 2K seconds puts any decision by a delegate on hold. I'm sorry to say but that happens only if the resolution says so (If such a resolution is sponsored by at least 2K Developers, or if it is proposed by the Technical Committee, the resolution puts the decision immediately on hold (provided that resolution itself says so).). ^^^ Cheers, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008 So when is this vote going to start? Not that I want one, but it seems to be taking alot of time to have an immediate vote. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 06:35:14PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008 So when is this vote going to start? Not that I want one, but it seems to be taking alot of time to have an immediate vote. Lucky for you then that it's not, see [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neil -- * Tolimar votes for debconf7 to be somewhere where he speaks the language. Tolimar That would a veto for switzerland ;) Ganneff Tolimar: that also vetos germany signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Sat, 01 Nov 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote: For reference, this will now not take place, as the original GR has been amended to not include the decision reversal text. I find it mildly entertaining that this vote did not take place because apparently it takes a couple of days, [...] and sometimes longer [0] to set up an immediate vote. Also note that 2K seconds puts any decision by a delegate on hold. The immediate vote then is held to see if it stays on hold until the real GR is done. So the only person who'd be in his rights to complain is Joerg and he publicly said that he didn't need this immediate vote. Peter -- | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Peter Palfrader | : :' : The universal http://www.palfrader.org/ | `. `' Operating System | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
Le Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:35:36AM +0100, Peter Palfrader a écrit : Also note that 2K seconds puts any decision by a delegate on hold. The immediate vote then is held to see if it stays on hold until the real GR is done. So the only person who'd be in his rights to complain is Joerg and he publicly said that he didn't need this immediate vote. Hi all Actually, there are persons who are constitutionnaly in their right to complain: the seconders of my original resolution, who I did not consult before changing it. Would one of them disagree with my acceptance of the amendment on which we worked together, the original proposisiton would be conserved, the amendment would be kept as an amendment, and the immediate vote would be rescheduled (A1.3). There are two obvious ways to avoid the immediate suspension vote: - The best one is that Joerg withdraws his decisions. - The second best one is to cool down until the end of the discussion period, and vote this GR as it is. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:35:36AM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote: For reference, this will now not take place, as the original GR has been amended to not include the decision reversal text. I find it mildly entertaining that this vote did not take place because apparently it takes a couple of days, [...] and sometimes longer [0] to set up an immediate vote. Also note that 2K seconds puts any decision by a delegate on hold. The immediate vote then is held to see if it stays on hold until the real GR is done. So the only person who'd be in his rights to complain is Joerg and he publicly said that he didn't need this immediate vote. Sorry, but saying that Joerg, who is neither a proposer nor sponsor of this GR, is the only person who'd be in his rights to complain is pretty ridiculous. My interpretation of the constitution is that after 2K sponsorships are acquired, there must be an immediate vote. If this vote is delayed for some technical reasons, it definitely should *not* be cancelled later for any reason whatsoever, because in the perfect world it would have happened at once. Cheers. -- Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, as per 4.2.2 of the constitution. For reference, this will now not take place, as the original GR has been amended to not include the decision reversal text. Neil -- i get an error... i forget what it is ... but definitely an error, well, maybe a warning... or an informational message... but definitely an output Verbatim quote from #debian, irc.freenode.net, Sat Jan 12 00:31:16 GMT 2008 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 09:42:30AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, as per 4.2.2 of the constitution. For reference, this will now not take place, as the original GR has been amended to not include the decision reversal text. I find it mildly entertaining that this vote did not take place because apparently it takes a couple of days, [...] and sometimes longer [0] to set up an immediate vote. I'm sure there were very good reasons [1] to not rush things in this particular case. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/10/msg00203.html [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/10/msg00226.html Cheers. -- Jurij Smakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Key: http://www.wooyd.org/pgpkey/ KeyID: C99E03CC -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Fri, Oct 31 2008, Jurij Smakov wrote: I find it mildly entertaining that this vote did not take place because apparently it takes a couple of days, [...] and sometimes longer [0] to set up an immediate vote. I'm sure there were very good reasons [1] to not rush things in this particular case. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/10/msg00203.html [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2008/10/msg00226.html Mind you, I am not runing this vote anyway. So the fact i consider it useless, no-op, anti-ganneff vote, which serves no purpose whatsoever, except to kill any motivation ganneff might have had to facilitate admission of non-packagers into Debian, has absolutely nothing to say about what the person running this vote thinks about it. manoj -- What do you have when you have six lawyers buried up to their necks in sand? Not enough sand. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Secretary? Delegate? [Was: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.]
Neil McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg4.html I've added assistantNeil McGovern under Secretary to webwml/english/intro/organization.data Hope that's OK, -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
Hi Jörg, On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:21, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, for the sanity (if any is left), could the proposer and all its sponsors, agree to not have an immediate vote on this, as it *WONT* do anything except creating needless work? You could give them an incentive to do so... regards, Holger pgp2IFvtz47cx.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:10:54AM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:58:19AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or does option 1 mean that we'll also have this 2 week discussion period followed by a full GR? It's the reverse. The sponsorship of 2K people automatically put the DAM decision on hold, and the vote needs to override that automation. Thus the FD choice is the same as the decision stays on hold. This vote is 4.2.2.4: 4. If the decision is put on hold, an immediate vote is held to determine whether the decision will stand until the full vote on the decision is made or whether the implementation of the original decision will be delayed until then. There is no quorum for this immediate procedural vote. I had to read this a few times. But now my understanding is that the decision is on hold until the procedural vote, and that it will be followed by a GR. The procedural vote just says if the decision stands or is put on hold between the procedural vote and the GR. Correct. We've not had this occur before, so I'll try and make sure it's clear on the ballot. Expect an update later today :) Neil -- vorlon We need a fresher website - WordPress is the perfect solution, that way the website can get a new look every time a script kiddie comes up with a new design signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 00:21, Joerg Jaspert wrote: So, for the sanity (if any is left), could the proposer and all its sponsors, agree to not have an immediate vote on this, as it *WONT* do anything except creating needless work? You could give them an incentive to do so... WTF do you think did I do with my mail? Would you please start to *read* before you reply? -- bye, Joerg From a NM after doing the license stuff: I am glad that I am not a lawyer! What a miserable way to earn a living. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 12:14, Joerg Jaspert wrote: You could give them an incentive to do so... WTF do you think did I do with my mail? Would you please start to *read* before you reply? Oh, thanks, I read before I replied... maybe you can make yourself understood better and *write* properly, instead of demanding people *guess* what you really mean. I just read [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the 2nd time and there is no indication that you plan to do diffently than outlined in that mail to d-d-a... and I still don't think thats appropriate and you still seemto think it is, so I think you don't give any incentive to drop this GR. And while I like the tone in Peters Possible amendment for Debian Contributors concept GR proposal much better, I have to agree with what Lucas said in [EMAIL PROTECTED]. regards, Holger pgpL7k40c8U6O.pgp Description: PGP signature
Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
Hi all, As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, as per 4.2.2 of the constitution. Attached below is the draft ballot for this proceedural vote. Please send comments to myself 24h before voting opens. NB: This is a draft ballot. Voting is not yet open. The vote.debian.org pages may not yet have been updated. Thanks, Neil =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008 The following ballot is for voting on a Proceedural Vote on Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures. The vote is being conducted in accordance with the policy delineated in Section A, Standard Resolution Procedure, and section 4.2.2 of the Debian Constitution. The details of the general resolution can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/vote_002 You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting questions contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOW TO VOTE First, read the full text of the GR. Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the choice names. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 3. Continue till you reach your last choice. You may skip numbers. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1= X = 3). To vote no, no matter what rank Further discussion as more desirable than the unacceptable choices, or You may rank the Further discussion choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the Further Discussion choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the Further discussion choice by the voting software). Then mail the ballot to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters () that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. You may optionally encrypt your ballot using the public key included below. Also, note that you can get a fresh ballot any time by sending a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject proc_newnm_immediate - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by Devotee (DEbian VOTe EnginE) using the vote key created for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Assistant Project secretary, is appended below. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEkGDswRBACaDxKcI9KMzGJPi5ih1vc9hp3TxLW8ExDMVsGWHUj+L4zJ+ZUi dyGh9lC1rm+7lrlyVwU0TqHMpzxftXEbAqIM4STGDUKQcY9Mbc8n4glk3KLTlnTD d2ARQa74dGAU8p7jzXWJWoBLgF4zdK54DMZpShwMk2oszBLOmDfDHg6fiwCginVc MYuCXWXlfZX27/tVmU8x5YcD/RZDNrsyt2b7Hf8S5y62xORGXc/1MHfe+QRTpS4L Pefvyl3Guz60XWOhgM72c1aW4rPxRmQkYq33+2F2L965T1L0Y7FPxwXhXQRvVOmd 5kTQbIPKKU/r78pMyTfgO1C8fV4z/wOvc7ZaI8KVdcT+nQSq7McPXSF6rcEu8fJt XqVoA/9vdgBq4bV0GJhdUJBbuWWDdrC2+yNN7I77gKRb9i5D093C52LCjMwKpWhe BQ4h+HJjB7yox8m+VmGN4l4GIfN3cEAvOSF2JMrhNxPwAk9ezFOmr/t2NrIs5HWW KwAsS035WTHBmV48omJe0RyoRMpc8BZgdj//p7kL00PjdqF3aLSEVGhlIFN1c3Bl bnNpb24gb2YgdGhlIGNoYW5nZXMgb2YgdGhlIFByb2plY3QncyBtZW1iZXJzaGlw IHByb2NlZHVyYWwgdm90ZSBrZXkgKEVwaGVtZXJhbCBLZXkpIDxwcm9jX25ld25t X2ltbWVkaWF0ZUB2b3RlLmRlYmlhbi5vcmc+iGYEExECACYFAkkGDswCGwMFCQAb r4AGCwkIBwMCBBUCCAMEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRACHmKGLckvVX04AJ44o4l3v9pF owdvEMNEMv/9XtPGKgCdED9UsDjb4r6jvjzUvo+7mkyNlxGIRgQQEQIABgUCSQYT DgAKCRD3ssHBs0W90xreAJwLj39yPQ5sCwysYlcWEy0jxM9RlACeJaY+fbsC0Ism kl90L+mGws+EPWa5Ag0ESQYO0RAIAJFBgUaSUB7eHNcVIOEyu21ckCjiH9T4c0TK epMNsE1jziy2JZpCSLLOTrUKoAn0g7LZ5kaB82ERC06OjzKO7vf+8NtugeUxYR55 qfCUV7SKkWX1Pp+KFg+rES77pr5c4TX9ju+x/iFQDhC4ZK6GWRmk+i0JlKi0I1XF Eo3WO/kAhZLnN7IZlcroljG8n0pT57Pneje8AW4xifD2D1VGCHsajPxN2q/fWKJ1 1baUry7ZzhFXGxlH2wpKtMcilWXS43l/2ADn+rILZoxYbOJa1rk0G/EnRKgUr91e diGWkj5oVxs4fUuOZtEr6lsSetK5G0u6Ml/fIWs+OdjO8bvS77MAAwUH/jdxWp7z EYLWRkHR8O192a+DyaK8ifmPaJ0+xiKhNJxVqLfDtWgGgvuE5mpcTO247zYJd1MN 0AuHgm+LF+spqeZpZ8lCewu70EbNSXzyYWu9g/tg8Dky+FeegOoGhz7XTbJkbzD6 kmWg9xPga7kZE/Mc/w3uiKOn9+5u0sviFoP9INOomE7mteSJR5dB4X3YkH5oKtaC VCZ56Q8uZ3UCewrDsB83ns7ggC2+InkEDW9ENM1qy5aJhNmOJWmp+Q37pSjkD00U
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On 27/10/08 at 19:28 +, Neil McGovern wrote: =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008 Why should we wait until next sunday? The constitution says: If the decision is put on hold, an immediate vote is held to determine whether the decision will stand until the full vote on the decision is made or whether the implementation of the original decision will be delayed until then. There is no quorum for this immediate procedural vote. 5 days sounds like a pretty strange definition of immediate ;) Also, our constitution says: If the Project Leader (or the Delegate) withdraws the original decision, the vote becomes moot, and is no longer conducted. Wouldn't that be easier? -- | Lucas Nussbaum | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/ | | jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG: 1024D/023B3F4F | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Secretary? Delegate? [Was: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.]
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi all, As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, as per 4.2.2 of the constitution. Has something changed to who is now the secretary? Did I miss some announcement? Atleast the webpage still mentions Manoj as secretary, and I saw a mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with his key. Or is Manoj is still the secretary and did he delegate something to you? What got delegated exactly in that case? Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- What does Further discussion mean in the context of this vote? I think there should be no Further discussion on the ballot, as it is not clear what would happen if Further discussion wins. Would the decision still be suspended or not? Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: Why should we wait until next sunday? The constitution says: Because it takes time to set up a vote, and it requires attention from the vote taker at the beginning and end of the vote, and the times reflect the prep time required (one of the people who could ruin this vote is going away for a busness trip this week, and the other one is new at this task). If the decision is put on hold, an immediate vote is held to determine whether the decision will stand until the full vote on the decision is made or whether the implementation of the original decision will be delayed until then. There is no quorum for this immediate procedural vote. 5 days sounds like a pretty strange definition of immediate ;) The work on the votig has started immediately , as far as I can see. Vote setups normally take a couple of days, at the best of times -- and sometimes longer. Are you sure you know which color the bike shed should be painted? manoj -- Truth has no special time of its own. Its hour is now -- always. Albert Schweitzer Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This ballot is wrong. It is *not* a membership reform. -- bye, Joerg That's just f***ing great, now the bar for being a cool guy in free software just got raised. It used to be you just had to write a million lines of useful code. Now you've got to get a subpoena from SCO to be cool. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Attached below is the draft ballot for this proceedural vote. Please send comments to myself 24h before voting opens. You have a total of 3 times proceedural instead of procedural in this mail. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:31:15PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This ballot is wrong. It is *not* a membership reform. Suggested wording then? Neil -- Drinking coca cola is the most unhealthy thing you can do; it is healthier to drink tap water than coca cola : ) -- Sergio Cu�llar Vald�s signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
Manoj Srivastava wrote: (...) (one of the people who could ruin this vote is going away for a busness --- trip this week, and the other one is new at this task). (...) manoj You meant run, huh ? -- Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Secretary? Delegate? [Was: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.]
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:16:53PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Hi all, As 2K developers have now seconded this GR, and the GR itself calls for a suspension of a Delegate's decision, an immediate procedural vote is called for if the decision is to stand while the GR process is followed, as per 4.2.2 of the constitution. Has something changed to who is now the secretary? Did I miss some announcement? Atleast the webpage still mentions Manoj as secretary, and I saw a mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with his key. Or is Manoj is still the secretary and did he delegate something to you? What got delegated exactly in that case? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg4.html Hope this helps, Neil -- Tincho 'Maybe you can try to find a nice hotel by shouting in the Mexico DF streets where could a gringo find a decent hotel in this dirty third world lame excuse for a country?. I'm sure the people will rush to help you, as we south americans love to be called third world in a demeaning way.' signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:11:57PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: On 27/10/08 at 19:28 +, Neil McGovern wrote: =DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT=DRAFT= Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday,02nd Nov 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, 15th Nov 2008 Also, our constitution says: If the Project Leader (or the Delegate) withdraws the original decision, the vote becomes moot, and is no longer conducted. Wouldn't that be easier? Probably. Ask the original delegate :) Neil -- liw the hacklab room is the one with a pirate flag, and a venezuelan flag, and a third flag liw the other hacklab room is the other hacklab room signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- What does Further discussion mean in the context of this vote? I think there should be no Further discussion on the ballot, as it is not clear what would happen if Further discussion wins. Would the decision still be suspended or not? If Further discussion wins, the decision remains delayed[0]. I thought about removing it, but it's inclusion serves as a 'I abstain' or a 'I think this vote is rubbish' or similar. I can either drop it, or include a bit of text in the ballot about what outcomes mean if you like. Neil [0] It's delayed at the moment. This is a vote to override that essentially. -- * Maulkin cries Maulkin NB: rm -rf /chroots/sarge while /home is mounted at /chroots/sarge/home is NOT-A-GOOD-THING(tm) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:38:55PM +0100, Kurt Roeckx wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: Attached below is the draft ballot for this proceedural vote. Please send comments to myself 24h before voting opens. You have a total of 3 times proceedural instead of procedural in this mail. Updated in the actual ballot. Thanks, Neil -- * stockholm bangs head against budget h01ger outsch stockholm h01ger: it is still very soft, i did not hurt myself gwolf stockholm: But you bled on the budget, and now it's red again! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
also sprach Neil McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.10.27.2028 +0100]: [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided I don't understand the difference between those two. -- .''`. martin f. krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] : :' : proud Debian developer, author, administrator, and user `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck - http://debiansystem.info `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems of course the music is a great difficulty. you see, if one plays good music, people don't listen, and if one plays bad music people don't talk. -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/)
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- What does Further discussion mean in the context of this vote? I think there should be no Further discussion on the ballot, as it is not clear what would happen if Further discussion wins. Would the decision still be suspended or not? If Further discussion wins, the decision remains delayed[0]. I thought about removing it, but it's inclusion serves as a 'I abstain' or a 'I think this vote is rubbish' or similar. I can either drop it, or include a bit of text in the ballot about what outcomes mean if you like. Neil [0] It's delayed at the moment. This is a vote to override that essentially. So what is the difference between 2 and 3? In case of 2 we already agree to have an other GR? Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
Hi Neil Thanks for the prompt clarification. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- What does Further discussion mean in the context of this vote? I think there should be no Further discussion on the ballot, as it is not clear what would happen if Further discussion wins. Would the decision still be suspended or not? If Further discussion wins, the decision remains delayed[0]. I thought about removing it, but it's inclusion serves as a 'I abstain' or a 'I think this vote is rubbish' or similar. Then basically Choice 2 and 3 are the same. I think you could also express 'I abstain' by not ranking any choices at all. But as long as everybody agrees on what happens if either of the options wins, this is only a minor problem. I can either drop it, or include a bit of text in the ballot about what outcomes mean if you like. I would like an explanaiton on the ballot to avoid confusion. Gaudenz -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:56:48PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Neil McGovern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008.10.27.2028 +0100]: [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided I don't understand the difference between those two. At http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/10/msg5.html, Joerg Jaspert posted a mail. There's currently a GR to reverse the decision in that mail[0]. As we've received = 10 seconds to the GR, and the GR mentions the 'revocation-until-vote' clause of 4.2.2, the decision is suspended. A vote needs to be called to determine if this suspension stands until the GR results come in. Voting for Choice 1 means that Joerg may continue doing whatever decisions he may or may not have made until the result of the GR. Voting for Choice 2 means that he can't pursue it until the GR results are in (at a minimum). Hope this explains, Neil [0] Whether it contains any decisions or not is left as an exercise to the reader, I'm not going to make that judgement call. [1] I am *slightly* annoyed that clause 4.2.2 is being invoked at this time, it means a lot more work running votes and I'm not convinced there's anything to gain, but *shrug*. -- h01ger ETOOMUCHSPANISHTOOFAST signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, 27 Oct 2008, Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:31:15PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This ballot is wrong. It is *not* a membership reform. Suggested wording then? Since the only really new thing in this proposal, and this is what it's all about at its core, is the creation of Debian Contributors as a defined set of people where previously they were just not DDs, maybe Proposal on Creation of Debian Contributors delayed until GR decided by GR Proposal on Creation of Debian Contributors stands until decided by GR -- | .''`. ** Debian GNU/Linux ** Peter Palfrader | : :' : The universal http://www.palfrader.org/ | `. `' Operating System | `-http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:20:30PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Hi Neil Thanks for the prompt clarification. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 09:49:33PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:23:37PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 07:28:43PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- What does Further discussion mean in the context of this vote? I think there should be no Further discussion on the ballot, as it is not clear what would happen if Further discussion wins. Would the decision still be suspended or not? If Further discussion wins, the decision remains delayed[0]. I thought about removing it, but it's inclusion serves as a 'I abstain' or a 'I think this vote is rubbish' or similar. Then basically Choice 2 and 3 are the same. I think you could also express 'I abstain' by not ranking any choices at all. But as long as everybody agrees on what happens if either of the options wins, this is only a minor problem. I can either drop it, or include a bit of text in the ballot about what outcomes mean if you like. I would like an explanaiton on the ballot to avoid confusion. It seems to me that what has been proposed and sponsored is option 2, and the constitutions seems to say that a GR should follow in that case. I see no reason to have option 1 on the ballot. I assume if option 2 passes that a discussion period of 2 weeks will follow this procedural vote? I also assume that that GR already has 1 option on it, what Joerg's mail announced. I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or does option 1 mean that we'll also have this 2 week discussion period followed by a full GR? Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or does option 1 mean that we'll also have this 2 week discussion period followed by a full GR? It's the reverse. The sponsorship of 2K people automatically put the DAM decision on hold, and the vote needs to override that automation. Thus the FD choice is the same as the decision stays on hold. -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology (T.P) * * PGP public key available @ http://www.iki.fi/killer * -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:58:19AM +0200, Kalle Kivimaa wrote: Kurt Roeckx [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think option 3 means the same as option 1. The decision stands and we can later overrule it by a full GR if we want. Or does option 1 mean that we'll also have this 2 week discussion period followed by a full GR? It's the reverse. The sponsorship of 2K people automatically put the DAM decision on hold, and the vote needs to override that automation. Thus the FD choice is the same as the decision stays on hold. This vote is 4.2.2.4: 4. If the decision is put on hold, an immediate vote is held to determine whether the decision will stand until the full vote on the decision is made or whether the implementation of the original decision will be delayed until then. There is no quorum for this immediate procedural vote. I had to read this a few times. But now my understanding is that the decision is on hold until the procedural vote, and that it will be followed by a GR. The procedural vote just says if the decision stands or is put on hold between the procedural vote and the GR. Kurt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
- - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- a1ea0fab-9ff7-4466-a951-99c712df8192 [ ] Choice 1: Decision on membership reform stands until GR decided [ ] Choice 2: Decision on membership reform delayed until GR decided [ ] Choice 3: Further discussion - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- This ballot is wrong. It is *not* a membership reform. Suggested wording then? None at all, drop the immediate vote. As I already explained none of this is implemented yet. None of this will be implemented within the next few weeks. So, for the sanity (if any is left), could the proposer and all its sponsors, agree to not have an immediate vote on this, as it *WONT* do anything except creating needless work? It's more than enough to have the normal vote procedure run. Of course the secretary has to accept this, as its not written down in constitution, but as this immediate vote is a NOOP, no matter what the outcome is, it would only save them work to accept it. -- bye, Joerg 00:00:11 LupusE goebelmeier: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html - warum steht hier 'mplayer'? ist das eine whishlist? pgpSY0Gz6a8v7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Draft ballot for Proceedural Vote: Suspension of the changes of the Project's membership procedures.
Le Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:21:41AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : As I already explained none of this is implemented yet. None of this will be implemented within the next few weeks. Joerg, in your answer to Aurélien, you wrote that your announcment was a new policy to get implemented. But some of this policy does not need technical work to take effect. Same that a DD who lost his GPG key is still a DD, some DME could be appointed despite not having all the technical possibilities mentionned in the new policy. If by none of this is implemented yet you mean that you do not yet intend to apply the new policy you decided, I think that we can indeed drop this vote to save some work. Nevertheless, it is not only the implementation that is to be suspended by this GR, but the new policy itself. For the moment you are standing alone with it: other delegates, the Project leader, or the Project secretary, whom you all mentionned having consulted, none of them have supported the new policy formally. On the other hand, there are many developers who either disagree with the method or the contents or both, and even some that think that you do not have the appropriate delegation for taking it. We all have the same goal, making Debian more open, but disagree ont the means. Let's discuss instead of just checking who has the right to impose his opinion on the others. Have a nice day, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Draft ballot for the project leader vote
Hi, The following is a draft ballot for comment. The order of the candidates names was determined by a virtual coin toss. manoj == Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday, March 30th, 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, April 12th, 2008 This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting questions contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] The details of the candidate platforms can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/platforms/ HOW TO VOTE First, read the full text of the platforms and rebuttals. Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the choice names. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue till you reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 4. You may skip numbers. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1 = X = 4). Please read the platforms in detail. To vote no, no matter what rank None Of The Above as more desirable than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the None Of The Above choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the None Of The Above choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the None Of The Above choice by the voting software). Then mail the ballot to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters () that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed, encrypted ballot. Devotee accepts mail that either contains only an unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail (RFC 3156 compliant). - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [ ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [ ] Choice 2: Raphaël Hertzog [ ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [ ] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project secretary, is appended below. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEfKAfcRBACUXaIj4oWt/8DJP4oTGQbPuKz+LT2oyNf8Qn3vWiPAkIbtlQZm waP71NOwRWhk7Q/K9jXptzCKt2TflENV1/5p1rD3aqECC2n0sDZxb8X+buNVXFYo yHJKv3L2KIHS/ffKDRRTal0WM85Lo2ycYCpPAYH6VBr5nvF59pFjJ6cYwwCgzg4X sMuSP0tDgDCVctW4gTi7H28EAIRn78kWAD24dxd+ENNgy+l5fHZa9dKEgahjHX2b 0dHq2ofue87Su4RdQnF/BVRwbPshlsy505dfz/VONprJep6TPGSc8DhUMOy15BbG 46uHtepyggjOCu/6Tm119PGZVFzwgm3XPGpH8mNqTBvszzNeiCBaYjY4Yd4I+eyJ +XTDA/4m7BVH9lgNsAHb+DSx9ea8al4D2cJzosjrqgHk51cXIUb7KrZOCpZO81L4 FJVA8XLwzoHezMKbE3woqn8mveDFCNK+CNgQb8pYdnSr+3YZLCcLOVmxyvg6JVPv 7ZpeqbwbapkfmUW3Z2eIao+7A0RRWdQae3eTA5NemoBkBrKTxrRZRGViaWFuIFBy b2plY3QgTGVhZGVyIEVsZWN0aW9uIDIwMDggdm90ZSBrZXkgKEVwaGVtZXJhbCBL ZXkpIDxsZWFkZXIyMDA4QHZvdGUuZGViaWFuLm9yZz6IZgQTEQIAJgUCR8oB9wIb AwUJAECZgAYLCQgHAwIEFQIIAwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEIWU111AZSmj0lYAoJPb Fpl8C38SntpqFYIHJNsgPfoqAJ9tLagyADxZ8Ygt8QAQ5W9iw1AD2IhGBBARAgAG BQJHyhl+AAoJECG62ru/JEJMJ5kAn3os1PG8O70qAle/CVBXNqTVKlf4AJ45fkHw mzn6txuwnYhbJOJ3OjYG57kCDQRHygH6EAgAgdRlGoGVafv7Y3Fl72l8iR37I0ih GDGPNsAAgOAaLqYXV8x7CobVIENHDkjZCB6xBjZH9UDyRljNJIxTbOI+MUE3KJSO 29x4vqefUl/FDRKahi/nTCiPq96XtMqNhssryQ8V1Uu7ql1DSVeKfzITW7HbpPhB jCVZMeyad0ydvMlDJeY4BxTHZiyBYAZ+VybO+lxTU2JTWUTFPM/DAMsrtcfMGD2z QUEQnaLjZ02mN0ajVz0T0Ej8s5H9ZD+tWByhTD9g4dPO+WTBrZH0SnjtcbMwEM1S +VVemfEKa+LpvdGwT08DtgeHuX7JTU8IAmTJi8LofHllyz6N6y9mXQ1tLwADBQf+ IUn99MZdUa/Y0YZdOFATKd4x+4ATaQwg4P2WG42ncibHKX4JScujz4jUfqKZqnOU FNqVXp7XbE86A4xXKxFLzq+AquT2HX7ySdd45fODoL/hwg4km17LpcnBCm5NvIC+ EmTmTNxdSAfS7TYtjAuWBhVGOb7rquTrlTMlYPuXvM99doR02E/IH3QJ1fLJPMlh Gw9cITwYO2d+6h1UYPAGgzCzq0vcDlQsBrG5H+hl/PqT2e4CzV5VlyKY/R4QWo/p gnia8R+8NfFSeyRPgPqpTrdRe8pF6C/jxrx3UfPvPJiTCXLRrvrcpG2Pjn7UAQDq wPz+CxTBr06rH2i1IQqoo4hPBBgRAgAPBQJHygH6AhsMBQkAQJmAAAoJEIWU111A ZSmjCgUAoIPhXxjTDyEjifLs2ErzDRmhZQmXAJ9rNGI8nyl+8YUPK7hr8Q2EirgH tA== =b2Aa -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- Brain off-line, please wait. Debian Project Secretary [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://vote.debian.org// 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpNxV0xNnpoG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Second draft ballot for the project leader vote 2008
Hi, I forgot that some people still can't deal with ë in an email. Here is a revised ballot. manoj --8---cut here---start-8--- Voting period starts 00:00:01 UTC on Sunday, March 30th, 2008 Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC on Saturday, April 12th, 2008 This vote is being conducted as required by the Debian Constitution. You may see the constitution at http://www.debian.org/devel/constitution. For voting questions contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] The details of the candidate platforms can be found at: http://www.debian.org/vote/2008/platforms/ HOW TO VOTE First, read the full text of the platforms and rebuttals. Do not erase anything between the lines below and do not change the choice names. In the brackets next to your preferred choice, place a 1. Place a 2 in the brackets next to your next choice. Continue till you reach your last choice. Do not enter a number smaller than 1 or larger than 4. You may skip numbers. You may rank options equally (as long as all choices X you make fall in the range 1 = X = 4). Please read the platforms in detail. To vote no, no matter what rank None Of The Above as more desirable than the unacceptable choices, or you may rank the None Of The Above choice, and leave choices you consider unacceptable blank. Unranked choices are considered equally the least desired choices, and ranked below all ranked choices. (Note: if the None Of The Above choice is unranked, then it is equal to all other unranked choices, if any -- no special consideration is given to the None Of The Above choice by the voting software). Then mail the ballot to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters () that your reply inserts. NOTE: The vote must be GPG signed (or PGP signed) with your key that is in the Debian keyring. You may, if you wish, choose to send a signed, encrypted ballot. Devotee accepts mail that either contains only an unmangled OpenPGP message (RFC 2440 compliant), or a PGP/MIME mail (RFC 3156 compliant). - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- d81e16a2-03b6-4340-84f2-51de89b8185e [ ] Choice 1: Steve McIntyre [ ] Choice 2: Raphael Hertzog [ ] Choice 3: Marc Brockschmidt [ ] Choice 4: None Of The Above - - -=-=-=-=-=- Don't Delete Anything Between These Lines =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- The responses to a valid vote shall be signed by the vote key created for this vote. The public key for the vote, signed by the Project secretary, is appended below. -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEfKAfcRBACUXaIj4oWt/8DJP4oTGQbPuKz+LT2oyNf8Qn3vWiPAkIbtlQZm waP71NOwRWhk7Q/K9jXptzCKt2TflENV1/5p1rD3aqECC2n0sDZxb8X+buNVXFYo yHJKv3L2KIHS/ffKDRRTal0WM85Lo2ycYCpPAYH6VBr5nvF59pFjJ6cYwwCgzg4X sMuSP0tDgDCVctW4gTi7H28EAIRn78kWAD24dxd+ENNgy+l5fHZa9dKEgahjHX2b 0dHq2ofue87Su4RdQnF/BVRwbPshlsy505dfz/VONprJep6TPGSc8DhUMOy15BbG 46uHtepyggjOCu/6Tm119PGZVFzwgm3XPGpH8mNqTBvszzNeiCBaYjY4Yd4I+eyJ +XTDA/4m7BVH9lgNsAHb+DSx9ea8al4D2cJzosjrqgHk51cXIUb7KrZOCpZO81L4 FJVA8XLwzoHezMKbE3woqn8mveDFCNK+CNgQb8pYdnSr+3YZLCcLOVmxyvg6JVPv 7ZpeqbwbapkfmUW3Z2eIao+7A0RRWdQae3eTA5NemoBkBrKTxrRZRGViaWFuIFBy b2plY3QgTGVhZGVyIEVsZWN0aW9uIDIwMDggdm90ZSBrZXkgKEVwaGVtZXJhbCBL ZXkpIDxsZWFkZXIyMDA4QHZvdGUuZGViaWFuLm9yZz6IZgQTEQIAJgUCR8oB9wIb AwUJAECZgAYLCQgHAwIEFQIIAwQWAgMBAh4BAheAAAoJEIWU111AZSmj0lYAoJPb Fpl8C38SntpqFYIHJNsgPfoqAJ9tLagyADxZ8Ygt8QAQ5W9iw1AD2IhGBBARAgAG BQJHyhl+AAoJECG62ru/JEJMJ5kAn3os1PG8O70qAle/CVBXNqTVKlf4AJ45fkHw mzn6txuwnYhbJOJ3OjYG57kCDQRHygH6EAgAgdRlGoGVafv7Y3Fl72l8iR37I0ih GDGPNsAAgOAaLqYXV8x7CobVIENHDkjZCB6xBjZH9UDyRljNJIxTbOI+MUE3KJSO 29x4vqefUl/FDRKahi/nTCiPq96XtMqNhssryQ8V1Uu7ql1DSVeKfzITW7HbpPhB jCVZMeyad0ydvMlDJeY4BxTHZiyBYAZ+VybO+lxTU2JTWUTFPM/DAMsrtcfMGD2z QUEQnaLjZ02mN0ajVz0T0Ej8s5H9ZD+tWByhTD9g4dPO+WTBrZH0SnjtcbMwEM1S +VVemfEKa+LpvdGwT08DtgeHuX7JTU8IAmTJi8LofHllyz6N6y9mXQ1tLwADBQf+ IUn99MZdUa/Y0YZdOFATKd4x+4ATaQwg4P2WG42ncibHKX4JScujz4jUfqKZqnOU FNqVXp7XbE86A4xXKxFLzq+AquT2HX7ySdd45fODoL/hwg4km17LpcnBCm5NvIC+ EmTmTNxdSAfS7TYtjAuWBhVGOb7rquTrlTMlYPuXvM99doR02E/IH3QJ1fLJPMlh Gw9cITwYO2d+6h1UYPAGgzCzq0vcDlQsBrG5H+hl/PqT2e4CzV5VlyKY/R4QWo/p gnia8R+8NfFSeyRPgPqpTrdRe8pF6C/jxrx3UfPvPJiTCXLRrvrcpG2Pjn7UAQDq wPz+CxTBr06rH2i1IQqoo4hPBBgRAgAPBQJHygH6AhsMBQkAQJmAAAoJEIWU111A ZSmjCgUAoIPhXxjTDyEjifLs2ErzDRmhZQmXAJ9rNGI8nyl+8YUPK7hr8Q2EirgH tA== =b2Aa -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- --8---cut here---end---8--- -- The good die young -- because they see it's no use living if you've got to be good. -- John Barrymore Debian Project Secretary [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://vote.debian.org// 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C pgpEOZvdGInHY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
Sam Hocevar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, I was today congratulated for my honourable 4th place in the DPL elections. And which news service did they read that on? :-) -- MJR/slef My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/ Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:46:23PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently confusing. Well, let me provide a more accurate analogy - if you pay several bills with that money, the bills don't have numbers assigned to them that you have to know about, they simply have the names of the recipients. Thanks for proving my point. Every single one of those bills have a serial number, which, like the Choice N string, is of little interest to me. I, there fore, ignore it Because you can do so easily - the designer of the note made sure to print the value in a much larger font and made it stand out, while he put the serial number somewhere peripheral and smaller where barely anyone notices. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:21:02 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 02:46:23PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently confusing. Well, let me provide a more accurate analogy - if you pay several bills with that money, the bills don't have numbers assigned to them that you have to know about, they simply have the names of the recipients. Thanks for proving my point. Every single one of those bills have a serial number, which, like the Choice N string, is of little interest to me. I, there fore, ignore it Because you can do so easily - the designer of the note made sure to print the value in a much larger font and made it stand out, while he put the serial number somewhere peripheral and smaller where barely anyone notices. I would argue that the ballot has a similar clearcut distinction: The ranking is the number the voter enters, the ordering of the choices has the prefix Choice, and actually precedes the actual option. manoj -- One man's Mede is another man's Persian. George M. Cohan Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Thu, Mar 29, 2007, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I would argue that the ballot has a similar clearcut distinction: The ranking is the number the voter enters, the ordering of the choices has the prefix Choice, and actually precedes the actual option. FYI, I was today congratulated for my honourable 4th place in the DPL elections. Cheers, -- Sam. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:11:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled ballots It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently confusing. Given that ballots can be word wrapped, can have common leading text, might have words that are damaged by MUA's not encoding a non-ascii word identically; it makes sense to increase the robustness of the parser by giving it a well known, unique prefix. I don't see how any of that is more important than having a straightforward text for the voters to read. This is a user interface, it is not a machine interface; robustness towards the human eyes and minds is more important than robustness towards code parsers IMO. Word wrapping and leading text is fairly inconsequent so they can be eliminated (disallowed) without much problem. Non-ASCII options are possible with e.g. people's names, but if we know for a fact that they aren't supported by the entire voting environment, they should be avoided. I should hope that people wouldn't be fussy about it given that we have already standardized on the English language anyway. (Raphael? :) -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:04:06 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 04:11:53PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled ballots It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently confusing. [ ] Choice 1: F [ ] Choice 2: Baar Is inherently confusing? To whom? Are you personally confused? or are you speculating? Do we really want opinions from someone who is confused by Choice N:? :) Given that ballots can be word wrapped, can have common leading text, might have words that are damaged by MUA's not encoding a non-ascii word identically; it makes sense to increase the robustness of the parser by giving it a well known, unique prefix. I don't see how any of that is more important than having a straightforward text for the voters to read. This is a user interface, it is not a machine interface; robustness towards the human eyes and minds is more important than robustness towards code parsers IMO. I do not consider Choice 1/Choice 2 prefixes to be non-straighforward, so the rest of your statements do not apply, as far as my opinion is considered. Word wrapping and leading text is fairly inconsequent so they can be eliminated (disallowed) without much problem. Non-ASCII options are possible with e.g. people's names, but if we know for a fact that they aren't supported by the entire voting environment, they should be avoided. I should hope that people wouldn't be fussy about it given that we have already standardized on the English language anyway. (Raphael? :) I would prefer not to mangle peoples names. I also would prefer to not further refuse ballots that have been mangled by the MUA before signing. In other words, I would personally not cater to people who are confused by Choice N prefixes to options by adding more code, making the parser fragile, and make for more bugs that the secretary has to fix. Color me unconvinced by the need, or the desirability, of the proposed change. मनोज श्रिवास्तव -- Someday somebody has got to decide whether the typewriter is the machine, or the person who operates it. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:13:03AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled ballots It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently confusing. [ ] Choice 1: F [ ] Choice 2: Baar Is inherently confusing? To whom? Are you personally confused? or are you speculating? That is inherently confusing because you also have to use the numbers 1 and 2 for the rankings. Using the same set of options for two different things, where you could use two distinct sets of options for each different thing, is what is inherently confusing. Do we really want opinions from someone who is confused by Choice N:? :) I knew this was going to come up :) Obviously all of us can understand the distinction between using numbers as rankings, and using numbers as designations, once it is explained. Point is, we shouldn't have to be explaining it when it can be done another, more straightforward way. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:31:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled ballots It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently confusing. [ ] Choice 1: F [ ] Choice 2: Baar Is inherently confusing? To whom? Are you personally confused? or are you speculating? That is inherently confusing because you also have to use the numbers 1 and 2 for the rankings. Using the same set of options for two different things, where you could use two distinct sets of options for each different thing, is what is inherently confusing. Actually, I used numbers for lots more things. I used numbers to count money to pay for my coffee this morning. One dollar, Two dollars. I, however, failed to get confused with the rankings for my vote with the money I counted out. Well, let me provide a more accurate analogy - if you pay several bills with that money, the bills don't have numbers assigned to them that you have to know about, they simply have the names of the recipients. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:08:45 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Wed, Mar 28, 2007 at 12:31:00PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: redundant information eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled ballots It eases the parsing of occasional corner cases with some voters, yes, but if forces *all* voters to read something that is inherently confusing. [ ] Choice 1: F [ ] Choice 2: Baar Is inherently confusing? To whom? Are you personally confused? or are you speculating? That is inherently confusing because you also have to use the numbers 1 and 2 for the rankings. Using the same set of options for two different things, where you could use two distinct sets of options for each different thing, is what is inherently confusing. Actually, I used numbers for lots more things. I used numbers to count money to pay for my coffee this morning. One dollar, Two dollars. I, however, failed to get confused with the rankings for my vote with the money I counted out. Well, let me provide a more accurate analogy - if you pay several bills with that money, the bills don't have numbers assigned to them that you have to know about, they simply have the names of the recipients. Thanks for proving my point. Every single one of those bills have a serial number, which, like the Choice N string, is of little interest to me. I, there fore, ignore it; and rarely get confused about the amount of money I am handing over because of the serial number. The Mint, and the banks, and other behind the scenes entities (like devotee), probably care a heck of a lot about the serial numbers that we have grown used to ignoring. quod erat demonstrandum. manoj -- Show me a good loser, and I'll show you a loser. Vince Lombardi, football coach Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
Hi, On Wed, 28 Mar 2007 21:08:45 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Well, let me provide a more accurate analogy - if you pay several bills with that money, the bills don't have numbers assigned to them that you have to know about, they simply have the names of the recipients. Actually, not only do every one of my bills have a number, every single currency note I pay with _also_ have a serial number, and the amount of every bill is a number, and a lot of bills have sub parts, also numbers, denoting the bit the government siphons off, some of which is tax deductible, for some of the bills. I manage to still pay bills without getting confused by the bill number, the dollar bills serial number, the bank account number, the number of the PO box, the number used for the zip code, and heavens. all kinds of little numbers positively wriggly around. BTW, I think we have effectively exhausted this topic. Or, in any case, I have said my say. manoj -- This login session: $13.99 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 10:45:40PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [ ] Choice 1: Wouter Verhelst ... [ ] Choice A: None Of The Above Would it be possible to use just letters, rather than both letters and numbers ? That will make everything a little less confusing - in particular it makes it impossible to mistake rankings for choices and vice versa. Just don't think of 0xA as a latter, since it is not. Anyway, internally devotee uses numbers starting at 1 for the ranking as well as the options on the ballot. We strayed from the real point here... the point is that these internal variables are completely irrelevant to the voters and should be avoided. The program can detect the line [ ... ] Option name just as easily as it can detect [ ... ] specialstring: Option name. -- 2. That which causes joy or happiness. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:43:31 +0200, Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: We strayed from the real point here... the point is that these internal variables are completely irrelevant to the voters and should be avoided. The program can detect the line [ ... ] Option name just as easily as it can detect [ ... ] specialstring: Option name. This by itself is not justification enough. The fact that the ballot provides redundant information that is irrelevant to the users, but in turn eases parsing of potentially MTA mangled ballots seems like a win. Given that ballots can be word wrapped, can have common leading text, might have words that are damaged by MUA's not encoding a non-ascii word identically; it makes sense to increase the robustness of the parser by giving it a well known, unique prefix. Also, the current implementation optimizes for potential re-sorted ballot lines by using the Choice N string to determine which index in the options array the ranking is referring to; and I do not see enough of a reason to refactor the code. So, if some one can demonstrate to me that the parser will not become less robust, and that the new code is equally resilient to MUA mangling of ballots, and that the increased complexity of code does not impact future maintenance, and that all this effort has a tangible benefit --- I'll consider reevaluating this design decision. manoj -- O'Toole's commentary on Murphy's Law: Murphy was an optimist. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:41:38 -0700, John H Robinson, IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Josip Rodin wrote: While I'm at it, it would probably be fun to implement a 'higher is better' ranking parser in a way to allow someone to vote for example 13-53-32-5-1-_-3-2-2-_-1. Yet, that would probably confuse voters if they were comparing that vote with a vote like 12-24-23-7-2-1-5-3-3-1-2 - because those two different votes would be considered equal in the eyes of the parser script. I like this idea, with the addition of the acknowledgement containing a normalised vote. 13-53-32-5-1-_-3-2-2-_-1 = 6-8-7-5-2-1-4-3-3-1-2 12-24-23-7-2-1-5-3-3-1-2 = 6-8-7-5-2-1-4-3-3-1-2 This is not something I am personally interested in doing. I do think that ballot normalization is an interesting idea, though again, not something I feel like coding. manoj -- The Devil can cite scripture for his purpose. Shakespeare, Merchant of Venice Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:06:34 +, Ian Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot): [ ] Choice 1: Wouter Verhelst ... [ ] Choice A: None Of The Above Would it be possible to use just letters, rather than both letters and numbers ? That will make everything a little less confusing - in particular it makes it impossible to mistake rankings for choices and vice versa. Just don't think of 0xA as a latter, since it is not. Anyway, internally devotee uses numbers starting at 1 for the ranking as well as the options on the ballot. I am not personally interested in changing any one of these defaults -- I don't think the ballot is confusing enough to warrant the expenditure of effort to refactor it in this fashion. Could it be permitted rearrange the entries on the ballot ? It would be much clearer to be able to vote: The directive says do not delete any line in the ballot -- but reordering is fine, as long as each choice remains on a line by itself. Changing the line itself, beyond adding a numerical rank (base36 number, that is) in between the square brackets will invalidate the ballot. manoj -- Anger is momentary madness. Horace Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot): [ ] Choice 1: Wouter Verhelst ... [ ] Choice A: None Of The Above Would it be possible to use just letters, rather than both letters and numbers ? That will make everything a little less confusing - in particular it makes it impossible to mistake rankings for choices and vice versa. Could it be permitted rearrange the entries on the ballot ? It would be much clearer to be able to vote: [ 1 ] Choice B: Bob [ 2 ] Choice A: Alice [ 3 ] Choice Z: None Of The Above [ 4 ] Choice C: Carol ... Ideally it would be possible for the letters to be vaguely mnemonic: [ ] Choice W: Wouter Verhelst [ ] Choice A: Aigars Mahinovs [ ] Choice G: Gustavo Franco [ ] Choice L: Sven Luther [ ] Choice H: Sam Hocevar [ ] Choice M: Steve McIntyre [ ] Choice R: Raphaël Hertzog [ ] Choice A: Anthony Towns [ ] Choice S: Simon Richter [ ] Choice Z: None Of The Above (or similar). Ian.
Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 04:06:34PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: Manoj Srivastava writes (Re: Debian Project Leader Elections 2007: Draft ballot): [ ] Choice 1: Wouter Verhelst ... [ ] Choice A: None Of The Above Would it be possible to use just letters, rather than both letters and numbers ? That will make everything a little less confusing - in particular it makes it impossible to mistake rankings for choices and vice versa. Could it be permitted rearrange the entries on the ballot ? It would be much clearer to be able to vote: [ 1 ] Choice B: Bob [ 2 ] Choice A: Alice [ 3 ] Choice Z: None Of The Above [ 4 ] Choice C: Carol ... Ideally it would be possible for the letters to be vaguely mnemonic: [ ] Choice W: Wouter Verhelst [ ] Choice A: Aigars Mahinovs [ ] Choice G: Gustavo Franco [ ] Choice L: Sven Luther [ ] Choice H: Sam Hocevar [ ] Choice M: Steve McIntyre [ ] Choice R: Raphaël Hertzog [ ] Choice A: Anthony Towns [ ] Choice S: Simon Richter [ ] Choice Z: None Of The Above (or similar). Ian, since i retired my candidature, this problematic became mooth, as we will no more need to go beyond the 9 choices. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
