Re: Moving final mailman lists over to discourse

2022-09-30 Thread Guillaume Bernard
Hi all,

Rafael is right and Claude just opened an issue on Damned Lies project to track
the implementation of Discourse in Damned Lies.

https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/damned-lies/-/issues/325

For localized mailing list, some are used to notify translators about changes in
the modules of their respective teams.

Regards,
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Guillaume Bernard

Le jeudi 29 septembre 2022 à 14:18 -0300, Rafael Fontenelle a écrit :
> Hi Neil,
> 
> Reading your list-of-lists.txt attachment I noticed that some mailing
> lists used by language teams in Damned Lies are in the "Lists to
> close" category. These mailing lists are used by Damned Lies to send
> notifications of translation activities. If closed there's a chance it
> could break Damned Lies notifications, and I don't think Damned Lies
> is not able to notify Discourse.
> 
> I recommend double-checking that with GTP coordinators.
> 
> The language team lists I found in the text file are:
> 
> gnome-cs-l...@gnome.org
> gnome...@gnome.org
> gnome-el-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-es-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-et-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-fy-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-gl-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-hu-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-latin-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-nl-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-pt_br-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-...@gnome.org
> gnome-sk-l...@gnome.org
> gnome-se-l...@gnome.org
> 
> Best regards,
> Rafael
> 
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:49 PM Neil McGovern  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > On Mon, 2022-08-22 at 14:36 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > > > As mentioned about three years ago, there's a desire to retire
> > > > mailman
> > > > and its dependencies on python2. Discussion is now happening on
> > > > discourse.gnome.org.
> > > > 
> > > > Over the coming month, I'll be going through each list that
> > > > remains,
> > > > seeing if they're still alive and moving them over [0]
> > > > 
> > 
> > I've gone through every mailing list that we host, and broadly split
> > them into two categories - lists that can be closed and ones that
> > should be migrated to discourse.
> > 
> > For those which should close, they've had very low activity (in some
> > cases, zero...). For those that should move, I've made sure that
> > there's tags in place so people can filter for a specific subject if
> > they want. Please see the attached.
> > 
> > For both, the archives will be preserved, but they won't accept or
> > distribute any new mail after the end of October.
> > 
> > Again, as a reminder, if you have any automation that's posting to
> > mailing lists, let me know (Thanks to the release team for having
> > already done so :P).
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Neil
> > --
> > Neil McGovern
> > Executive Director, The GNOME Foundation
> > ___
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Re: Moving final mailman lists over to discourse

2022-09-30 Thread Rafael Fontenelle
Hi Neil,

Reading your list-of-lists.txt attachment I noticed that some mailing
lists used by language teams in Damned Lies are in the "Lists to
close" category. These mailing lists are used by Damned Lies to send
notifications of translation activities. If closed there's a chance it
could break Damned Lies notifications, and I don't think Damned Lies
is not able to notify Discourse.

I recommend double-checking that with GTP coordinators.

The language team lists I found in the text file are:

gnome-cs-l...@gnome.org
gnome...@gnome.org
gnome-el-l...@gnome.org
gnome-es-l...@gnome.org
gnome-et-l...@gnome.org
gnome-fy-l...@gnome.org
gnome-gl-l...@gnome.org
gnome-hu-l...@gnome.org
gnome-latin-l...@gnome.org
gnome-nl-l...@gnome.org
gnome-pt_br-l...@gnome.org
gnome-...@gnome.org
gnome-sk-l...@gnome.org
gnome-se-l...@gnome.org

Best regards,
Rafael

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:49 PM Neil McGovern  wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> On Mon, 2022-08-22 at 14:36 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > > As mentioned about three years ago, there's a desire to retire
> > > mailman
> > > and its dependencies on python2. Discussion is now happening on
> > > discourse.gnome.org.
> > >
> > > Over the coming month, I'll be going through each list that
> > > remains,
> > > seeing if they're still alive and moving them over [0]
> > >
>
> I've gone through every mailing list that we host, and broadly split
> them into two categories - lists that can be closed and ones that
> should be migrated to discourse.
>
> For those which should close, they've had very low activity (in some
> cases, zero...). For those that should move, I've made sure that
> there's tags in place so people can filter for a specific subject if
> they want. Please see the attached.
>
> For both, the archives will be preserved, but they won't accept or
> distribute any new mail after the end of October.
>
> Again, as a reminder, if you have any automation that's posting to
> mailing lists, let me know (Thanks to the release team for having
> already done so :P).
>
> Thanks,
> Neil
> --
> Neil McGovern
> Executive Director, The GNOME Foundation
> ___
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> foundation-l...@gnome.org
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Re: Moving final mailman lists over to discourse

2022-09-30 Thread Felipe Borges
On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 10:29 AM Neil McGovern  wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2022-09-29 at 14:18 -0300, Rafael Fontenelle wrote:
> > Hi Neil,
> >
> > Reading your list-of-lists.txt attachment I noticed that some mailing
> > lists used by language teams in Damned Lies are in the "Lists to
> > close" category. These mailing lists are used by Damned Lies to send
> > notifications of translation activities. If closed there's a chance
> > it
> > could break Damned Lies notifications, and I don't think Damned Lies
> > is not able to notify Discourse.
>
> Damned Lies can indeed notify Discourse - there's an email interface if
> needed, which is what the release team ended up doing. However, I think
> a better idea is to rethink the workflow a little... I'll follow up on
> the issue :)

I agree with Neil here. Discourse doesn't look like the right place
for automated notifications.

Couldn't Damned Lies allow for translators to individually subscribe
for notifications and get these emails sent directly to them?

I know this requires someone to implement the feature, but I think it
is of our general interest, so maybe we could request some funding for
it. In the past we had an Outreachy intern working on integrating
GTranslator with Damned Lies, maybe that same intern would be
interested in working on this.


>
> >
> > I recommend double-checking that with GTP coordinators.
> >
> > The language team lists I found in the text file are:
>
> There's a couple missing from your list (like -cyr) and a couple that
> haven't seen postings since 2009 (like -latin), but yes.
>
> Let's continue over on
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/damned-lies/-/issues/325 :)
>
> Neil
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> Neil McGovern
> Executive Director, The GNOME Foundation
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Re: Moving final mailman lists over to discourse

2022-09-30 Thread Neil McGovern
On Thu, 2022-09-29 at 14:18 -0300, Rafael Fontenelle wrote:
> Hi Neil,
> 
> Reading your list-of-lists.txt attachment I noticed that some mailing
> lists used by language teams in Damned Lies are in the "Lists to
> close" category. These mailing lists are used by Damned Lies to send
> notifications of translation activities. If closed there's a chance
> it
> could break Damned Lies notifications, and I don't think Damned Lies
> is not able to notify Discourse.

Damned Lies can indeed notify Discourse - there's an email interface if
needed, which is what the release team ended up doing. However, I think
a better idea is to rethink the workflow a little... I'll follow up on
the issue :)

> 
> I recommend double-checking that with GTP coordinators.
> 
> The language team lists I found in the text file are:

There's a couple missing from your list (like -cyr) and a couple that
haven't seen postings since 2009 (like -latin), but yes.

Let's continue over on
https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/damned-lies/-/issues/325 :)

Neil
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Executive Director, The GNOME Foundation
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Re: Moving final mailman lists over to discourse

2022-09-30 Thread Daniel Mustieles García via desktop-devel-list
Hi all,

Yes, please, give us a chance to re-organize translation teams workflow
since most teams use mailing lists to distribute work, review translations
and welcome new members.

Also Damned Lies integration with Discourse is a critical part (I hope we
don't lose email notifications about new PO files uploaded waiting for
review)

Thanks in advance

Regards

El jue, 29 sept 2022 a las 19:25, Guillaume Bernard ()
escribió:

> Hi all,
>
> Rafael is right and Claude just opened an issue on Damned Lies project to
> track
> the implementation of Discourse in Damned Lies.
>
> https://gitlab.gnome.org/Infrastructure/damned-lies/-/issues/325
>
> For localized mailing list, some are used to notify translators about
> changes in
> the modules of their respective teams.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Guillaume Bernard
>
> Le jeudi 29 septembre 2022 à 14:18 -0300, Rafael Fontenelle a écrit :
> > Hi Neil,
> >
> > Reading your list-of-lists.txt attachment I noticed that some mailing
> > lists used by language teams in Damned Lies are in the "Lists to
> > close" category. These mailing lists are used by Damned Lies to send
> > notifications of translation activities. If closed there's a chance it
> > could break Damned Lies notifications, and I don't think Damned Lies
> > is not able to notify Discourse.
> >
> > I recommend double-checking that with GTP coordinators.
> >
> > The language team lists I found in the text file are:
> >
> > gnome-cs-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome...@gnome.org
> > gnome-el-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-es-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-et-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-fy-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-gl-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-hu-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-latin-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-nl-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-pt_br-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-...@gnome.org
> > gnome-sk-l...@gnome.org
> > gnome-se-l...@gnome.org
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Rafael
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 12:49 PM Neil McGovern  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2022-08-22 at 14:36 +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > > > > As mentioned about three years ago, there's a desire to retire
> > > > > mailman
> > > > > and its dependencies on python2. Discussion is now happening on
> > > > > discourse.gnome.org.
> > > > >
> > > > > Over the coming month, I'll be going through each list that
> > > > > remains,
> > > > > seeing if they're still alive and moving them over [0]
> > > > >
> > >
> > > I've gone through every mailing list that we host, and broadly split
> > > them into two categories - lists that can be closed and ones that
> > > should be migrated to discourse.
> > >
> > > For those which should close, they've had very low activity (in some
> > > cases, zero...). For those that should move, I've made sure that
> > > there's tags in place so people can filter for a specific subject if
> > > they want. Please see the attached.
> > >
> > > For both, the archives will be preserved, but they won't accept or
> > > distribute any new mail after the end of October.
> > >
> > > Again, as a reminder, if you have any automation that's posting to
> > > mailing lists, let me know (Thanks to the release team for having
> > > already done so :P).
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Neil
> > > --
> > > Neil McGovern
> > > Executive Director, The GNOME Foundation
> > > ___
> > > foundation-list mailing list
> > > foundation-l...@gnome.org
> > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
> > ___
> > foundation-list mailing list
> > foundation-l...@gnome.org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
> ___
> foundation-list mailing list
> foundation-l...@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
>
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