Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
+0, As David said I don't know Bill, but look forward to changing that. James Mitchell wrote: I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on the dev list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents. Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions - thats a big plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking about. Like Rob and David though, I haven't seen any patches from Bill and it seems strange to give someone committ privledge that has never made a submission. I have no personal objection to Bill, but if anyone is keen to become a committer and work on Struts then in my thinking a minimum requirement would be that they had submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their work. Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and then if he does that bring him in as a committer? Niall - Original Message - From: James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:03 AM Subject: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Bill has been of huge help to me personally and to many other Struts developers. +1 On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:03:15 -0400, James Mitchell wrote: I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts- atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:50:57 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote: I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on the dev list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents. It's true that only the PMC votes are binding, but votes and input from everyone is always encouraged. Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions - thats a big plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking about. Like Rob and David though, I haven't seen any patches from Bill and it seems strange to give someone committ privledge that has never made a submission. I have no personal objection to Bill, but if anyone is keen to become a committer and work on Struts then in my thinking a minimum requirement would be that they had submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their work Like me, Bill seems to be more of a documentator than a coder. He submitted a number of excruciatingly helpful patches to the Struts in Action book. He's also posted presentations to the Struts SouceForge site, which I've used in my work. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/struts * jstl-and-struts.pdf * testing.zip There was also a wonderful JSTL cheatsheet of his that I've used, but I can't lay my fingertips on the links right now. Here's some other Siggelkow links * http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1895 Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and then if he does that bring him in as a committer? Sure, but, then I'd have to commit all those patches myself, and I honestly don't have that kind of time anymore. :) Some of us know Bill personally and can vouch that he's is a righteous dude, so why not cut to chase? As you observed, it's the PMC votes that are binding. You know, once upon a time, Craig asked if anyone wanted to help with the documentation, I raised my hand, and, pop, I was a Committer. At the time, I think I was asking more questions than I was answering. I had never submitted a patch or even filed a Bugzilla report. It's true that one very good reason for nominating someone is because they are contributing so much, it would be easier to let them commit it themselves :) Another reason is because a nomination may encourage someone with a good heart to do more. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
I don't doubt that if he wasn't a great guy and didn't have the ability then you and others wouldn't have nominated/voted for him - he's probably far better qualified/experienced to be a committer than myself. Unfortunately I don't know him persoanlly and nothing I said was against Bill, but it still seems strange to me to give someone committ privledge that isn't currently contributing to the Struts source - whether code or documentation. Thats also what you seemed to be saying in this recent post: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01749.html I remember when you were voted in as a committer and at the time you had put loads of Struts stuff up on http://www.husted.com/struts/ and it was the main resource link on the Struts site. IMO (and obviously the committers at the time) you were contributing alot. Anyway as you said, ...why not cut to chase? As you observed, it's the PMC votes that are binding so what I think doesn't matter. Niall - Original Message - From: Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:50:57 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote: I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on the dev list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents. It's true that only the PMC votes are binding, but votes and input from everyone is always encouraged. Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions - thats a big plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking about. Like Rob and David though, I haven't seen any patches from Bill and it seems strange to give someone committ privledge that has never made a submission. I have no personal objection to Bill, but if anyone is keen to become a committer and work on Struts then in my thinking a minimum requirement would be that they had submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their work Like me, Bill seems to be more of a documentator than a coder. He submitted a number of excruciatingly helpful patches to the Struts in Action book. He's also posted presentations to the Struts SouceForge site, which I've used in my work. http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/struts * jstl-and-struts.pdf * testing.zip There was also a wonderful JSTL cheatsheet of his that I've used, but I can't lay my fingertips on the links right now. Here's some other Siggelkow links * http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/1895 Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and then if he does that bring him in as a committer? Sure, but, then I'd have to commit all those patches myself, and I honestly don't have that kind of time anymore. :) Some of us know Bill personally and can vouch that he's is a righteous dude, so why not cut to chase? As you observed, it's the PMC votes that are binding. You know, once upon a time, Craig asked if anyone wanted to help with the documentation, I raised my hand, and, pop, I was a Committer. At the time, I think I was asking more questions than I was answering. I had never submitted a patch or even filed a Bugzilla report. It's true that one very good reason for nominating someone is because they are contributing so much, it would be easier to let them commit it themselves :) Another reason is because a nomination may encourage someone with a good heart to do more. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
-0. I could almost quote verbatim the reasons I gave for the same vote on another proposed committer about 2.5 years ago. In that particular case, the committer came on board, helped out a bit for a short while, and then disappeared into the woodwork. I know Bill has been around for some time on the user list, and I don't dispute that he's been helpful there. However, to almost quote from that earlier vote, to reach the bar for committer, from my perspective, I would want to see more in the way of contributions to the code base than I have seen to date. (And yes, Ted, documentation is code in my book. ;) As for Bill being a forthcoming Struts book author, well, don't tell me you've never read a poor O'Reilly book or a poor Struts book, James! ;-) (No, I'm not suggesting Bill doesn't know his stuff, or that he can't write - I'm just pointing out that being an author, by itself, does not connote quality. ;) -- Martin Cooper On Sat, 10 Jul 2004, James Mitchell wrote: I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Niall, you express my sentiments much more eloquently than I do. :-) -- Martin Cooper -Original Message- From: Niall Pemberton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 3:51 AM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer I assume this is PMC members only, but as you're posting this on the dev list I guess its open for anyone to give their 2 cents. Bill is active on the user list and answers alot of questions - thats a big plus in my book and shows he knows what hes talking about. Like Rob and David though, I haven't seen any patches from Bill and it seems strange to give someone committ privledge that has never made a submission. I have no personal objection to Bill, but if anyone is keen to become a committer and work on Struts then in my thinking a minimum requirement would be that they had submitted a patch to show that and also provide an example of their work. Wouldn't it be better to encourage him to get involved first and then if he does that bring him in as a committer? Niall - Original Message - From: James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Developers List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 4:03 AM Subject: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 08:09:24 -0400, Ted Husted wrote: then I'd have to commit all those patches myself, and I honestly don't have that kind of time anymore. Oops, poor choice of words. Should have been then we'd have to commit all those patches, and which of us has that kind of time right now. -T. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
+0 Steve -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 10, 2004 8:03 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
James Mitchell wrote: I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 +1. Craig -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
+1 I know Bill too and can vouch for everything Mitchell mentions. His music may be a little strange, but... Just kidding Bill! -James -Original Message- From: James Mitchell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:03 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] - Bill Siggelkow for committer
Unfortunately, I don't have the benefit of personally knowing Bill. I haven't seen any patches or emails on the dev list to know anything about the quality of his work. For those reasons I can't give a +1 but I do respect James' opinion so I won't stand in the way. +0 David --- James Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have known Bill for a few years and he is definitely committer material. He has contributed in numerous ways to this community and others. I owe him a great deal for his help with our local Struts Users group, founded in Atlanta (ASUG) http://www.struts-atlanta.org. He has given presentations, mentored junior members, and is responsible for persuading the powers that be into letting us meet at his (former) employer. I can't say enough about his generosity. If anyone is wondering about his skillset, don't. He is writing the next O'Reilly book on Struts. Here is my +1 -- James Mitchell Software Engineer / Open Source Evangelist EdgeTech, Inc. 678.910.8017 AIM: jmitchtx - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
