Re: Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
On Tue, 2024-04-02 at 10:22 -0600, Jerry James wrote: > > - We retroactively change the time to stable of all updates that have > already been submitted. I might have an update that I think will go > stable in 1 more day, and suddenly it isn't going to go stable for 5 > more days. This is a constraint of Bodhi's current implementation. It doesn't keep a permanent record of what the value was at creation time for each update, it re-calculates it from the current configured value at various points, including when you try to do a push. I think we kinda want this behaviour, but we *could* do a better job of communicating when it changes, at least. Currently it's rather confusing if you get caught in the change, because you see the "this update can be pushed stable" comment as the last thing on the update, but it actually can't. We *could* detect when this changes and post a new 'oops, sorry, no it can't any more' comment. -- Adam Williamson (he/him/his) Fedora QA Fedora Chat: @adamwill:fedora.im | Mastodon: @ad...@fosstodon.org https://www.happyassassin.net -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 12:18 PM Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM Sandro wrote: > > > > On 26-03-2024 22:15, Adam Williamson wrote: > > > On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 21:34 +0100, Sandro wrote: > > >> On 26-03-2024 16:25, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > >>> So, please take this time to do any last minute testing and bugfixing > > >>> and make sure any packages you expect to be in the final f40 base > > >>> repositories are pushed stable before next Tuesday (2024-04-02). > > >> > > >> I was just wondering, and someone else with me, if today's updates would > > >> still make it in time? > > >> > > >> If not, I thank you for the reminder nonetheless, but would also like to > > >> ask to have it sent in time for updates to still be able to land in the > > >> release before freeze happens. > > >> > > >> Of course, there's always the option of going around begging for > > >> (instant) karma ... > > > > > > You still have a week until next Tuesday, so...yes. > > > > We are one week down the road. I've submitted an update a week ago > > shortly after Adam's reply was sent (March 26, 21:48 UTC). Final freeze > > is now in effect and the update[1] has *not* made it to stable. It's > > still in testing. > > > > Luckily, this update can wait until after freeze. I'm glad I decided to > > ask for karma for another update submitted earlier the same day. > > > > [1] https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-3ebd1e2c45 > > Yes, 7 days between end of beta freeze and start of final freeze is > not enough to land an update that has autotime=7days. Which is really > annoying. > Maybe next time we can make the non-freeze period last like 8-9 days? > One week (especially if that week contains the Easter holiday) is not > enough. For the record, FESCo reviewed a request to extend the non-freeze period and decided that we would take on the burden of going through the Freeze Exception approval process rather than extend the non-Freeze period (which would have necessitated extending the F40 schedule). These updates are certainly candidates for Freeze Exception consideration, so please raise them as such via https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/propose_bug -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 10:08 AM Sandro wrote: > We are one week down the road. I've submitted an update a week ago > shortly after Adam's reply was sent (March 26, 21:48 UTC). Final freeze > is now in effect and the update[1] has *not* made it to stable. It's > still in testing. > > Luckily, this update can wait until after freeze. I'm glad I decided to > ask for karma for another update submitted earlier the same day. > > [1] https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-3ebd1e2c45 I've had this bite me in previous years. If you submit an update on Tuesday, then it will be pushed to testing Tuesday night. One week later, on Tuesday night again, it will be submitted for stable, and 24 hours later it will actually go stable. It takes 8 days to get an update from submission to stable, not 7, so when there are only 7 days between Beta release and Final Freeze, you're already too late when the Beta release happens. I personally wish we would keep the "3 days to stable" rule all the way up to Final Freeze. Switching to the 7 day time period right before that always slows me down just when I'm trying to hurry and fix things for the final freeze. Also: - We don't switch from 3 to 7 days at Beta Release, but rather when the Beta Release is announced, which is typically 4 to 5 days prior to the Beta Release. - We retroactively change the time to stable of all updates that have already been submitted. I might have an update that I think will go stable in 1 more day, and suddenly it isn't going to go stable for 5 more days. All of that combined means extra delays just when time is short. -- Jerry James http://www.jamezone.org/ -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 6:08 PM Sandro wrote: > > On 26-03-2024 22:15, Adam Williamson wrote: > > On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 21:34 +0100, Sandro wrote: > >> On 26-03-2024 16:25, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > >>> So, please take this time to do any last minute testing and bugfixing > >>> and make sure any packages you expect to be in the final f40 base > >>> repositories are pushed stable before next Tuesday (2024-04-02). > >> > >> I was just wondering, and someone else with me, if today's updates would > >> still make it in time? > >> > >> If not, I thank you for the reminder nonetheless, but would also like to > >> ask to have it sent in time for updates to still be able to land in the > >> release before freeze happens. > >> > >> Of course, there's always the option of going around begging for > >> (instant) karma ... > > > > You still have a week until next Tuesday, so...yes. > > We are one week down the road. I've submitted an update a week ago > shortly after Adam's reply was sent (March 26, 21:48 UTC). Final freeze > is now in effect and the update[1] has *not* made it to stable. It's > still in testing. > > Luckily, this update can wait until after freeze. I'm glad I decided to > ask for karma for another update submitted earlier the same day. > > [1] https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-3ebd1e2c45 Yes, 7 days between end of beta freeze and start of final freeze is not enough to land an update that has autotime=7days. Which is really annoying. Maybe next time we can make the non-freeze period last like 8-9 days? One week (especially if that week contains the Easter holiday) is not enough. Fabio -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
On 26-03-2024 22:15, Adam Williamson wrote: On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 21:34 +0100, Sandro wrote: On 26-03-2024 16:25, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, please take this time to do any last minute testing and bugfixing and make sure any packages you expect to be in the final f40 base repositories are pushed stable before next Tuesday (2024-04-02). I was just wondering, and someone else with me, if today's updates would still make it in time? If not, I thank you for the reminder nonetheless, but would also like to ask to have it sent in time for updates to still be able to land in the release before freeze happens. Of course, there's always the option of going around begging for (instant) karma ... You still have a week until next Tuesday, so...yes. We are one week down the road. I've submitted an update a week ago shortly after Adam's reply was sent (March 26, 21:48 UTC). Final freeze is now in effect and the update[1] has *not* made it to stable. It's still in testing. Luckily, this update can wait until after freeze. I'm glad I decided to ask for karma for another update submitted earlier the same day. [1] https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2024-3ebd1e2c45 -- Sandro -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
On Tue, 2024-03-26 at 21:34 +0100, Sandro wrote: > On 26-03-2024 16:25, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > So, please take this time to do any last minute testing and bugfixing > > and make sure any packages you expect to be in the final f40 base > > repositories are pushed stable before next Tuesday (2024-04-02). > > I was just wondering, and someone else with me, if today's updates would > still make it in time? > > If not, I thank you for the reminder nonetheless, but would also like to > ask to have it sent in time for updates to still be able to land in the > release before freeze happens. > > Of course, there's always the option of going around begging for > (instant) karma ... You still have a week until next Tuesday, so...yes. -- Adam Williamson (he/him/his) Fedora QA Fedora Chat: @adamwill:fedora.im | Mastodon: @ad...@fosstodon.org https://www.happyassassin.net -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
On 26-03-2024 16:25, Kevin Fenzi wrote: So, please take this time to do any last minute testing and bugfixing and make sure any packages you expect to be in the final f40 base repositories are pushed stable before next Tuesday (2024-04-02). I was just wondering, and someone else with me, if today's updates would still make it in time? If not, I thank you for the reminder nonetheless, but would also like to ask to have it sent in time for updates to still be able to land in the release before freeze happens. Of course, there's always the option of going around begging for (instant) karma ... -- Sandro -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
Just a reminder that, because Beta used it's 'target date #2' (ie, today), the gap between the Beta release and Final freeze is only 1 week this time. So, please take this time to do any last minute testing and bugfixing and make sure any packages you expect to be in the final f40 base repositories are pushed stable before next Tuesday (2024-04-02). https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-40/f-40-key-tasks.html kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ___ devel-announce mailing list -- devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-announce-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue -- ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Reminder: F40 final freeze starts next week (2024-04-02)
Just a reminder that, because Beta used it's 'target date #2' (ie, today), the gap between the Beta release and Final freeze is only 1 week this time. So, please take this time to do any last minute testing and bugfixing and make sure any packages you expect to be in the final f40 base repositories are pushed stable before next Tuesday (2024-04-02). https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-40/f-40-key-tasks.html kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- ___ devel-announce mailing list -- devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-announce-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
