[digitalradio] HF channel models?

2007-06-07 Thread dtmos
Is there a source of channel models commonly used to develop HF 
protocols?  I haven't been able to find a good model of (or even 
generally-accepted worst-case numbers for) multipath delay spread and 
doppler spread on cross-polar paths, for example, or SNR statistics 
(noise burst distributions, etc.) for long DX paths on the low bands.  

Failing models, does anyone have any measured data?  The only 
information I've found is in Davies' Ionospheric Radio, (and its 
references) but it doesn't quite hit the spot.

Thanks,

Ed, N4II.



[digitalradio] ALE activity reports

2007-06-07 Thread expeditionradio
Activity Report 14109.5 kHz ALE today 
K8HKW K7EK W1PID WA3MEZ W6CM VE5MU

73 Bonnie KQ6XA 



[digitalradio] Most robust digi-mode with 200 to 600 bps ?

2007-06-07 Thread cesco12342000
Question to the experts:

What is the most robust digi-mode with a 400 to 600 bps raw capacity (or 
200 to 300 bps fec capacity) ?

Is a boosted psk variant the best coice or is mfsk capable of such rates ?

Other options ?

Background:
Seems someone has developed a 200bps voice codec. It's a phoneme coder. 
The data rate and the description sounds plausible. I dont know if this 
will ever be available as open source for amateurs, but it would be 
intresting to estimate the possibilities of such a codec for DV (digital 
voice).
Such a coder could probably beat analog ssb in terms of robustness in 
marginal conditions.






Re: [digitalradio] HF channel models?

2007-06-07 Thread Tony
Hi Ed,

Murray Greenman (ZL1BPU) might have what you're 
looking for. Have you tried PathSim?
http://www.qsl.net/ae4jy/pathsim.htm

73 Tony KT2Q



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Subject: [digitalradio] HF channel models?


 Is there a source of channel models commonly 
 used to develop HF
 protocols?  I haven't been able to find a good 
 model of (or even
 generally-accepted worst-case numbers for) 
 multipath delay spread and
 doppler spread on cross-polar paths, for 
 example, or SNR statistics
 (noise burst distributions, etc.) for long DX 
 paths on the low bands.

 Failing models, does anyone have any measured 
 data?  The only
 information I've found is in Davies' 
 Ionospheric Radio, (and its
 references) but it doesn't quite hit the spot.

 Thanks,

 Ed, N4II.