Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
Tony, Thanks for bringing up this Topic. I knew nothing about RSID. I will start researching the topic. Your right about end results, no contacts. I keep going thru audio files or going to the dummy load to figure out the mode. I just did a quick search on my other computer and it appears this is some type of automatic identifier as to the mode. I am not sure of the ramifications of the use of RSID but it sounds like it might help me out. I hear a signal and I think it is DominoEx or Olivia or what ever is being sent and I never make the contact or cannot figure out what the mode is. It gets frustrating when you get a really strong signal in the evening , and you think you can work the operator and ragchew for a while. Again thanks for the bringing up the topic, this may help me out in identifying modes. Hal WD4MDA - Original Message - From: Tony To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 09, 2010 7:18 PM Subject: [digitalradio] RSID Query All, I was just wondering if there's any confusion or misunderstanding among the group about RS-ID? We all know that it's not always easy to identify a mode by sight and sound yet I still see many calling CQ without any mode identification. The end result, no contacts. I'm sure most of the seasoned digital ops know what RS ID is and what it does, so what's the reasoning behind not using it? Tony -K2MO FLDIGI - Check RX ID / TX ID in upper right corner of program window. Click CONFIGURE / IDS to set preferences. MULTIPSK - Click RS ID / RX RS ID in main window. Click CONFIGURATION / MANAGMENT OF ID's. Check CONTINUOUS DETECTION. Ham Radio Deluxe / DM780 Version 5 Open DM780. Click OPTIONS / MODES + IDs / REED SOLOMON TAB. Check: ENABLE RSID DETECTION / SHOW IN QSO WINDOW AS HYPERLINK SHOW POPUP WINDOW / SHOW RSID BUTTON ON QSO TRANSMIT TOOLBAR -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2801 - Release Date: 04/09/10 14:32:00
[digitalradio] Solar Powered D-STAR Repeater
ON4BK's D-STAR repeater ON0CPS is possibly the first to operate entirely on solar energy ON0CPS operates in the Amateur Radio 70cm band with 439.5625 MHz output and 431.9625 MHz input. During the day there is usually enough sun to keep the repeater going and charge the two 120Ah batteries which power the repeater at night. So far the repeater has been running over a month on solar power alone. Source: Royal Union of Belgian Radio Amateurs (UBA) http://tinyurl.com/BelgiumUBA ON4BK website http://tinyurl.com/yyajoxx 73 Trevor M5AKA Daily Amateur Radio Email/RSS News: http://www.southgatearc.org/ Email Your News To: editor at southgatearc.org Or Upload Using Form At: http://www.southgatearc.org/news/your_news_1.htm
[digitalradio] New file uploaded to digitalradio
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the digitalradio group. File: /RSIDqstNOV09.doc Uploaded by : obrienaj k3uka...@gmail.com Description : Nov'09 QST article on RS-ID You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/files/RSIDqstNOV09.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, obrienaj k3uka...@gmail.com
[digitalradio] Re: RSID Query- Nov 09 QST
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, H Stang wd4...@... wrote: Tony, Thanks for bringing up this Topic. I knew nothing about RSID. I will start researching the topic. I have added a scan of the QST November 2009 article that i wrote for Steve Ford's column, it describes the general intent behind RS ID. ALso note, there is a video of RS-ID in the files section. Andy K3UK
[digitalradio] Re: Unattended narrow mode transmission protection
All, I have been busy with WINMOR but do monitor the group and thought it might add some balance to put forth some facts and observations. 1) The majority of WL2K users are not 30 day wonder hams on expensive yachts. Marine mobile users are probably 20% of all registered WL2K users (about 15,000 total current active users). 2) Those that are Marine Mobile have (on average) the same radio skills as the average ham.some much better. Getting digital radio to work at all on a small sailboat (most MM users are not wealthy and have yachts of 35 feet) when you are sitting in a plastic boat inside the antenna near field is a challenge. I have seen and helped set up over 100 such installations. 3) Certainly there are a number of operators that fail to listen first or don't use the tools and procedures recommended to connect. E.g. AirMail limits the calling cycle to normally 20 seconds for most stations. Unfortunately bad operators and procedures exist in ham radio in every mode. 4) Marinas by and large don't do or sell radio installations (I have NEVER seen even one). They sell GAS/Diesel, dockage, supplies, beer and bait. In fact most marine radio service companies have minimal experience with ham radios or HF digital modes. 5) Scanning has been used in the past to improve the utilization of HF Pactor server stations but can be an issue. Pactor has some but limited busy channel detection capability. WL2K is now looking at and testing alternatives to the conventional scanning used in Pactor. The new WINMOR protocol allows more options and experimentation. a. RMS WINMOR server stations [Beta operation started in January 2010] operate on ONE frequency which can be changed (on the hour) during the day (most use 1 - 3 frequencies over a 24 hour day). The frequency list clients use indicate which frequency is in use on which UTC hour. The client software (RMS Express) shows users ONLY those frequencies in current use along with the propagation prediction to the remote server stations. Users can refresh their server station list over the air or over the internet if available. b. WINMOR uses an effective channel busy detector to warn users if a channel appears busy in the bandwidth of interest. The detector isn't perfect (neither is the human ear!) but it can detect most modes even in weak conditions (SSB, CW, PSK, Pactor, Olivia, WINMOR etc). c. The RMS WINMOR stations (servers) also have a similar DSP based detector which can block a reply to a connect request. This will prevent for example answering a connect request over an existing session/QSO not audible to the station originating the connect request (hidden transmitter situation). We're still experimenting and refining this but it definitely helps avoid accidental interference. To summarize: Painting all Winlink users with a broad brush of wealthy yachties with limited radio skills is no where near the truth and is an obvious attempt distort the facts to promote some agenda. If given the flexibility to work on and experiment with these digital modes it is possible to address issues and make progress improving our hobby. If we try and legislate every detail we end up generating rules or band plans that become obsolete quickly. This discourages experimentation (I still hope that is part of our hobby.) and progress. I don't have the time to get into flame wars or extended blogging ..If you have a legitimate technical question on WINMOR or a question about WL2K I will try and answer it with accurate facts. 73, Rick Muething, KN6KB
Re: [digitalradio] Re: RSID Query- Nov 09 QST
Thanks Andy Hal Stang WD4MDA Hellschrieber #: FD 2599 wd4...@comcast.net Jacksonville FL - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 6:44 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RSID Query- Nov 09 QST --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, H Stang wd4...@... wrote: Tony, Thanks for bringing up this Topic. I knew nothing about RSID. I will start researching the topic. I have added a scan of the QST November 2009 article that i wrote for Steve Ford's column, it describes the general intent behind RS ID. ALso note, there is a video of RS-ID in the files section. Andy K3UK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2801 - Release Date: 04/09/10 14:32:00
Re: [digitalradio] New file uploaded to digitalradio
Hello Andy, You wrote a nice article. Congratulations! Just a remark, the RS ID does not carry the parameters of the mode but just contain a number which corresponds to a mode or a sub-mode with its own parameters. 73 Patrick - Original Message - From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 12:42 PM Subject: [digitalradio] New file uploaded to digitalradio Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the digitalradio group. File: /RSIDqstNOV09.doc Uploaded by : obrienaj k3uka...@gmail.com Description : Nov'09 QST article on RS-ID You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/files/RSIDqstNOV09.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlfiles Regards, obrienaj k3uka...@gmail.com http://www.obriensweb.com/digispotter.html Chat, Skeds, and spots all in one (resize to suit)Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
Only works with sound card modes? That a question not a comment. I really have no clue.
[digitalradio] Re: RSID Query
works with anything IF the mode uses the code. --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker, WØJAB w0...@... wrote: Only works with sound card modes? That a question not a comment. I really have no clue.
[digitalradio] WINMOR practices
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Rick Muething rmueth...@cfl.rr.com wrote: 5) Scanning has been used in the past to improve the utilization of HF Pactor server stations but can be an issue. Pactor has some but limited busy channel detection capability. WL2K is now looking at and testing alternatives to the conventional scanning used in Pactor. The new WINMOR protocol allows more options and experimentation. a. RMS WINMOR server stations [Beta operation started in January 2010] operate on ONE frequency which can be changed (on the hour) during the day (most use 1 - 3 frequencies over a 24 hour day). The frequency list clients use indicate which frequency is in use on which UTC hour. The client software (RMS Express) shows users ONLY those frequencies in current use along with the propagation prediction to the remote server stations. Users can refresh their server station list over the air or over the internet if available. b. WINMOR uses an effective channel busy detector to warn users if a channel appears busy in the bandwidth of interest. The detector isn't perfect (neither is the human ear!) but it can detect most modes even in weak conditions (SSB, CW, PSK, Pactor, Olivia, WINMOR etc). c. The RMS WINMOR stations (servers) also have a similar DSP based detector which can block a reply to a connect request. This will prevent for example answering a connect request over an existing session/QSO not audible to the station originating the connect request (hidden transmitter situation). We're still experimenting and refining this but it definitely helps avoid accidental interference. I can attest to the above., especially the ONE frequency part. The system works well Andy K3UK via HF WINMOR :)
[digitalradio] Re: WINMOR practices
and I sent that messages via noisy 30M through Rick's station Andy K3UK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, k...@... wrote: On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Rick Muething rmueth...@... wrote: 5) Scanning has been used in the past to improve the utilization of HF Pactor server stations but can be an issue. Pactor has some but limited busy channel detection capability. WL2K is now looking at and testing alternatives to the conventional scanning used in Pactor. The new WINMOR protocol allows more options and experimentation. a. RMS WINMOR server stations [Beta operation started in January 2010] operate on ONE frequency which can be changed (on the hour) during the day (most use 1 - 3 frequencies over a 24 hour day). The frequency list clients use indicate which frequency is in use on which UTC hour. The client software (RMS Express) shows users ONLY those frequencies in current use along with the propagation prediction to the remote server stations. Users can refresh their server station list over the air or over the internet if available. b. WINMOR uses an effective channel busy detector to warn users if a channel appears busy in the bandwidth of interest. The detector isn't perfect (neither is the human ear!) but it can detect most modes even in weak conditions (SSB, CW, PSK, Pactor, Olivia, WINMOR etc). c. The RMS WINMOR stations (servers) also have a similar DSP based detector which can block a reply to a connect request. This will prevent for example answering a connect request over an existing session/QSO not audible to the station originating the connect request (hidden transmitter situation). We're still experimenting and refining this but it definitely helps avoid accidental interference. I can attest to the above., especially the ONE frequency part. The system works well Andy K3UK via HF WINMOR :)
[digitalradio] Re: RSID Query- Nov 09 QST
Andy: I can not find your QST artical on RS-ID searching for RS-ID, RSID, or Steve Ford November Dick Zseltvay, KC4COP --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, H Stang wd4...@... wrote: Thanks Andy Hal Stang WD4MDA Hellschrieber #: FD 2599 wd4...@... Jacksonville FL - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 6:44 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RSID Query- Nov 09 QST --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, H Stang wd4mda@ wrote: Tony, Thanks for bringing up this Topic. I knew nothing about RSID. I will start researching the topic. I have added a scan of the QST November 2009 article that i wrote for Steve Ford's column, it describes the general intent behind RS ID. ALso note, there is a video of RS-ID in the files section. Andy K3UK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2801 - Release Date: 04/09/10 14:32:00
[digitalradio] Re: RSID Query- Nov 09 QST
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oLzAS3ppyX5PuXDut992Yr1Zt6uLbB-RIF8Wvr-4uQXPzvJFA0KYsaRGcbYbLKfz08OQY9qdBdTS2V8p1Mgw/RSIDqstNOV09.doc --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, kc4cop dic...@... wrote: Andy: I can not find your QST artical on RS-ID searching for RS-ID, RSID, or Steve Ford November Dick Zseltvay, KC4COP --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, H Stang wd4mda@ wrote: Thanks Andy Hal Stang WD4MDA Hellschrieber #: FD 2599 wd4mda@ Jacksonville FL - Original Message - From: obrienaj To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 6:44 AM Subject: [digitalradio] Re: RSID Query- Nov 09 QST --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, H Stang wd4mda@ wrote: Tony, Thanks for bringing up this Topic. I knew nothing about RSID. I will start researching the topic. I have added a scan of the QST November 2009 article that i wrote for Steve Ford's column, it describes the general intent behind RS ID. ALso note, there is a video of RS-ID in the files section. Andy K3UK -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2801 - Release Date: 04/09/10 14:32:00
RE: [digitalradio] Re: Unattended narrow mode transmission protection
Thanks, Rick. I have suggested in the past that your SCAMP/WINMOR channel busy detector could be inexpensively back-fit into WinLink PMBOs. Has anyone taken a look at this? 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:digitalra...@yahoogroups.com]on Behalf Of Rick Muething Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 8:30 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Unattended narrow mode transmission protection All, I have been busy with WINMOR but do monitor the group and thought it might add some balance to put forth some facts and observations. 1) The majority of WL2K users are not 30 day wonder hams on expensive yachts. Marine mobile users are probably 20% of all registered WL2K users (about 15,000 total current active users). 2) Those that are Marine Mobile have (on average) the same radio skills as the average ham.some much better. Getting digital radio to work at all on a small sailboat (most MM users are not wealthy and have yachts of 35 feet) when you are sitting in a plastic boat inside the antenna near field is a challenge. I have seen and helped set up over 100 such installations. 3) Certainly there are a number of operators that fail to listen first or don't use the tools and procedures recommended to connect. E.g. AirMail limits the calling cycle to normally 20 seconds for most stations. Unfortunately bad operators and procedures exist in ham radio in every mode. 4) Marinas by and large don't do or sell radio installations (I have NEVER seen even one). They sell GAS/Diesel, dockage, supplies, beer and bait. In fact most marine radio service companies have minimal experience with ham radios or HF digital modes. 5) Scanning has been used in the past to improve the utilization of HF Pactor server stations but can be an issue. Pactor has some but limited busy channel detection capability. WL2K is now looking at and testing alternatives to the conventional scanning used in Pactor. The new WINMOR protocol allows more options and experimentation. a. RMS WINMOR server stations [Beta operation started in January 2010] operate on ONE frequency which can be changed (on the hour) during the day (most use 1 - 3 frequencies over a 24 hour day). The frequency list clients use indicate which frequency is in use on which UTC hour. The client software (RMS Express) shows users ONLY those frequencies in current use along with the propagation prediction to the remote server stations. Users can refresh their server station list over the air or over the internet if available. b. WINMOR uses an effective channel busy detector to warn users if a channel appears busy in the bandwidth of interest. The detector isn't perfect (neither is the human ear!) but it can detect most modes even in weak conditions (SSB, CW, PSK, Pactor, Olivia, WINMOR etc). c. The RMS WINMOR stations (servers) also have a similar DSP based detector which can block a reply to a connect request. This will prevent for example answering a connect request over an existing session/QSO not audible to the station originating the connect request (hidden transmitter situation). We're still experimenting and refining this but it definitely helps avoid accidental interference. To summarize: Painting all Winlink users with a broad brush of wealthy yachties with limited radio skills is no where near the truth and is an obvious attempt distort the facts to promote some agenda. If given the flexibility to work on and experiment with these digital modes it is possible to address issues and make progress improving our hobby. If we try and legislate every detail we end up generating rules or band plans that become obsolete quickly. This discourages experimentation (I still hope that is part of our hobby.) and progress. I don't have the time to get into flame wars or extended blogging ..If you have a legitimate technical question on WINMOR or a question about WL2K I will try and answer it with accurate facts. 73, Rick Muething, KN6KB
[digitalradio] QRV: 3596, 7102,10145,5, 14109, 18106
QRV: 3596, 7102,10145,5, 14109, 18106 ALE 141, happy to change modes once a link is established. (no takers when I have tried ALE400) KB3JAJ: [02:02:28][ 3.5MHz ] De [K3UK] [02:08:18][FRQ 07102000][SND][TWS] [KI6TCB ][AL0] BER 29 SN 05 Andy K3UK FN02hk
Re: [digitalradio] RSID Query
On 4/10/2010 5:05 AM, H Stang wrote: *Tony,* *Thanks for bringing up this Topic. I knew nothing about RSID. I will start researching the topic. * My pleasure Hal. Check out Andy's QST article in the reflectors files section and Patrick Lindecker's documentation on RSID: http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm ** * I am not sure of the ramifications of the use of RSID but it sounds like it might help me out. * Well, RSID is about 170Hz wide so you wouldn't want to use it within a cluster of PSK31 signals. It's unnecessary anyway since PSK31 is easily recognized. On the other hand, it may not be easy for some to distinguish PSK63F from PSK63 so it best to use it if there's enough elbow room. The majority of modes use more spectrum than the 170Hz RSID anyway so there's no QRM issue there. Simply put, RSID is a short duration digital identifier that precedes the digital mode signal so others can detect which mode is in use. It's not unusual to detect the RSID without actually hearing the mode itself so it is highly sensitive. *I hear a signal and I think it is DominoEx or Olivia or what ever is being sent and I never make the contact or cannot figure out what the mode is. It gets frustrating when you get a really strong signal in the evening , and you think you can work the operator and ragchew for a while.* We've all been there Hal. I'm sure you remember the early days, there were only a few sound card modes to choose from; now there are more than we can count, let alone identify by ear ; ). That's where RSID comes in. Tony -K2MO - Original Message - *From:* Tony mailto:d...@optonline.net *To:* digitalradio@yahoogroups.com mailto:digitalradio@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, April 09, 2010 7:18 PM *Subject:* [digitalradio] RSID Query All, I was just wondering if there's any confusion or misunderstanding among the group about RS-ID? We all know that it's not always easy to identify a mode by sight and sound yet I still see many calling CQ without any mode identification. The end result, no contacts. I'm sure most of the seasoned digital ops know what RS ID is and what it does, so what's the reasoning behind not using it? Tony -K2MO FLDIGI - Check RX ID / TX ID in upper right corner of program window. Click CONFIGURE / IDS to set preferences. MULTIPSK - Click RS ID / RX RS ID in main window. Click CONFIGURATION / MANAGMENT OF ID's. Check CONTINUOUS DETECTION. Ham Radio Deluxe / DM780 Version 5 Open DM780. Click OPTIONS / MODES + IDs / REED SOLOMON TAB. Check: ENABLE RSID DETECTION / SHOW IN QSO WINDOW AS HYPERLINK SHOW POPUP WINDOW / SHOW RSID BUTTON ON QSO TRANSMIT TOOLBAR No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.801 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2801 - Release Date: 04/09/10 14:32:00 __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5014 (20100409) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
