[digitalradio] ROS MF-7 IS OUT THERE ! (And less than 100 Hz wide)

2010-05-15 Thread graham787
After a  series of  successful test transmissions, the  latest version of 
ROS-3-6-1 (at the  moment)  now  has the  MF mode included , this allows live 
key board qso's at a  data  rate  close to 500/8 and also  has a baud-1 mode 
with  enhanced s/n performance , transmission via non-linear systems is  
possible , though the logic drive of  calss e/d will  still  present problems. 

To comply with the  EU  100 Hz data  bandwidth  of the 500Khz permits the  mode 
is  coded to  occupy less  than 100 Hz , the  first custom mode to  be  
produced to enable data  communications with in the  EU on MF 

The  first on air qso  over 200  miles is  listed  
http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/viewtopic.php?f=17t=1982sid=5f68ac5172a5c1206214df5b03c2bc50

Its quite possible that the  100 Hz mode will  function well  over HF over the  
polar  paths where  psk tends to  fail ?

G .. 



[digitalradio] ROS MF-7 IS OUT THERE ! (And less than 100 Hz wide)

2010-05-15 Thread graham787
After a series of successful test transmissions, the latest version of
ROS-3-6-1 (at the moment) now has the MF mode included , this allows live
key board qso's at a data rate close to 500/8 and also has a baud-1 mode
with enhanced s/n performance , transmission via non-linear systems is
possible , though the logic drive of class e/d will still present problems.

To comply with the EU 100 Hz data bandwidth of the 500Khz permits the mode
is coded to occupy less than 100 Hz , the first custom mode to be produced
to enable data communications with in the EU on MF

The first on air qso over 200 miles is listed 
http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/viewtopic.php?f=17t=1982sid=5f68ac5172a5c1206\
214df5b03c2bc50

Scroll  down the  page  ... and you  will  see  the  RX station F4DTL was in 
Paris  650 Km  from myself running  20 watts  to  35 ft top loaded vertical  
and  round 325 km from Jim running 100 w to a similar array  


Its quite possible that the 100 Hz mode will function well over HF over the
polar paths where psk tends to fail ?

G ..






Re: [digitalradio] ROS MF-7 IS OUT THERE ! (And less than 100 Hz wide)

2010-05-15 Thread Andy obrien
good news, nice to see this mode make good progress.

Andy K3UK

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 9:53 AM, graham787 g0...@hotmail.com wrote:



 After a series of successful test transmissions, the latest version of
 ROS-3-6-1 (at the moment) now has the MF mode included , this allows live
 key board qso's at a data rate close to 500/8 and also has a baud-1 mode
 with enhanced s/n performance , transmission via non-linear systems is
 possible , though the logic drive of class e/d will still present problems.


 To comply with the EU 100 Hz data bandwidth of the 500Khz permits the mode
 is coded to occupy less than 100 Hz , the first custom mode to be produced
 to enable data communications with in the EU on MF

 The first on air qso over 200 miles is listed 

 http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/viewtopic.php?f=17t=1982sid=5f68ac5172a5c1206\
 214df5b03c2bc50http://lfistes.erst.azerttyu.net/viewtopic.php?f=17t=1982sid=5f68ac5172a5c1206214df5b03c2bc50

 Scroll down the page ... and you will see the RX station F4DTL was in Paris
 650 Km from myself running 20 watts to 35 ft top loaded vertical and round
 325 km from Jim running 100 w to a similar array

 Its quite possible that the 100 Hz mode will function well over HF over the
 polar paths where psk tends to fail ?

 G ..

  



[digitalradio] Re: CALL ID via PSKReporter

2010-05-15 Thread philipjsg
Andy

If you want to have a special way of showing these records in PSKReporter, then 
please let me know and maybe I can implement it.

Philip

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andy obrien k3uka...@... wrote:

 While I play around with ways to automatically upload my CALL_ID.txt
 file in Multipsk to my web site,  I should mention that PSKreporter
 already has a feature that does much of what I am trying to do.  See
 that attached screenshot that shows call ID's that I received.  PSK
 Reporter can be configured to have it show Call IDs received by
 multiple callsigns.  It is not as instant as I would like,  PSK
 Reporter updates every 2-3 minutes, I think.  Not bad though.
 
 A reminder, my interest in this subject matter is based on a desire to
 see RS ID and Call ID capabilities for the basis of some rough
 equivalent of a CW Skimmer , but for digital modes.
 
 Andy K3UK





Re: [digitalradio] Re: CALL ID via PSKReporter

2010-05-15 Thread Andy obrien
Thanks Phil.  I think the one issue is something you don't have control
over, that is the Call ID  that is decoded actually being sent to PSK
Reporter.  In Multipsk the decoded call ID is stored (by user option) in a
txt file.  As far as i can tell, this is not automatically sent to PSK
Reporter unless the user has Multipsk  configured to send to PSK Reporter.
I am not sure how many people choose to send to PSK Reporter versus simply
leave the option unchecked.  What I was playing around with is a way to
automatically upload the decoded call ID to a web page regardless of the
user option to send to PSk Reporter.

Multipsk , as you are already aware, produces a line like...

15:21:19 CQ K1DOW-EL97BE-4  3009 Hz

in the Call ID area.A none map version of PSk Reporter where it list
multiple decodes like


15:21:19 CQ K1DOW-EL97BE-4  3009 Hz
14:56:39 CQ K3UKFN02HK   -3  3009 Hz
14:56:05 CQ K1DOW-EL97BE   + 2  3154 Hz
13:38:25   KA1GMN/5  + 4  2194 Hz

might be useful but perhaps that is already possible with the logbook view
in PSK Reporter.


Andy K3UK

On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:14 PM, philipjsg phi...@gladstonefamily.netwrote:



 Andy

 If you want to have a special way of showing these records in PSKReporter,
 then please let me know and maybe I can implement it.

 Philip


 --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com digitalradio%40yahoogroups.com, Andy
 obrien k3uka...@... wrote:
 
  While I play around with ways to automatically upload my CALL_ID.txt
  file in Multipsk to my web site, I should mention that PSKreporter
  already has a feature that does much of what I am trying to do. See
  that attached screenshot that shows call ID's that I received. PSK
  Reporter can be configured to have it show Call IDs received by
  multiple callsigns. It is not as instant as I would like, PSK
  Reporter updates every 2-3 minutes, I think. Not bad though.
 
  A reminder, my interest in this subject matter is based on a desire to
  see RS ID and Call ID capabilities for the basis of some rough
  equivalent of a CW Skimmer , but for digital modes.
 
  Andy K3UK
 

  



[digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork

2010-05-15 Thread jhhaynes
That's good to hear.  I have had only a couple of ALE-400 QSOs
but both were very pleasant.  I would be participating in this
weekend's activity except I'm away from home.

Do you have any feel for how robust ALE-400 is versus some of
the other modes?  Of course it's error-free because of the ARQ,
but does it need a better signal than, say, Olivia to get through?

Jim W6JVE




Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork

2010-05-15 Thread Andy obrien
my subjective view , Jim, is that it is almost as robust as Olivia under
common weak signal conditions.

Andy K3UK


On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 12:36 PM, jhhay...@earthlink.net wrote:



 That's good to hear. I have had only a couple of ALE-400 QSOs
 but both were very pleasant. I would be participating in this
 weekend's activity except I'm away from home.

 Do you have any feel for how robust ALE-400 is versus some of
 the other modes? Of course it's error-free because of the ARQ,
 but does it need a better signal than, say, Olivia to get through?

 Jim W6JVE

  



Re: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork

2010-05-15 Thread Patrick Lindecker
Hello Jim,

 but does it need a better signal than, say, Olivia to get through?
The minimum S/N is around -12 dB. It is comparable to the minimum S/N for 
Olivia 32-1000 or Olivia 8-500.
However, below -11 dB, repetitions begin.

73
Patrick

- Original Message - 
From: jhhay...@earthlink.net
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2010 6:36 PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork


 That's good to hear.  I have had only a couple of ALE-400 QSOs
 but both were very pleasant.  I would be participating in this
 weekend's activity except I'm away from home.

 Do you have any feel for how robust ALE-400 is versus some of
 the other modes?  Of course it's error-free because of the ARQ,
 but does it need a better signal than, say, Olivia to get through?

 Jim W6JVE




 

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[digitalradio] Re: [multipsk] ALE 400 coming out of the woodwork

2010-05-15 Thread Tony

On 5/15/2010 10:04 AM, Andy obrien wrote:


Hey folks, MULTIPLE ALE 400 QSO on 20M at same time this morning, many 
new operators thanks to Tony's great work.




Thanks Andy. Received lots of positive feedback about the article. Great 
to see all the activity on the band.


Patrick, This article could be a real boost to you very creative 
application.




I certainly hope Patrick receives some well deserved recognition for his 
work.


Tony -K2MO