[digitalradio] HSCW Bandwidth?

2007-05-26 Thread Tony
All:

Does anyone know the approximate bandwidth for 
injected audio tone high speed CW? Is there a way 
to calculate this?

Thanks,

Tony KT2Q





Re: [digitalradio] HSCW Bandwidth?

2007-05-26 Thread Andrew O'Brien

 *WHAT IS THE BANDWIDTH OF HIGHER-SPEED HSCW? ISN'T IT MUCH WIDER THAN
STANDARD FILTERS CAN PASS?

The formula given for the bandwidth of a standard CW signal, Bn=B*K, is
based on make-break ICW, the on-off keying of a carrier, with the leading
and trailing edge of the individual characters shaped by the keying
circuits, the bias of the following stages, etc. Thus the formula is usable
at the lowest HSCW speeds when make-break keying is used.

But today nearly all HSCW is done by keying an injected audio tone. This
means that if the transmitter is set up properly (i.e., processor off,
nothing overdriven, a proper tone frequency, etc.), the keying is not shaped
by keying circuit components or adjustments of the transmitter. Rather, the
shape of the rise and fall of the individual characters closely approximates
the shape of the injected sine wave audio tone. Thus, the above formula does
not apply for tone-injection HSCW operation.
This is the reason that even the very-high-speed HSCW will fit in the
passband of a standard SSB filter. Of course, misadjusted or overdriven
audio or RF stages may cause spurious signals outside of the intended range.
But it has proved to be quite easy to generate a good-quality HSCW signal by
tone injection within the approximate bandwidth of a standard SSB filter.




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On 5/26/07, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  All:

Does anyone know the approximate bandwidth for
injected audio tone high speed CW? Is there a way
to calculate this?

Thanks,

Tony KT2Q





Re: [digitalradio] HSCW Bandwidth?

2007-05-26 Thread Jose A. Amador

Tony,

You should convert WPM to bauds to apply the formula.

Simpler, and hoping for the best, use a 1500 Hz keyed tone, it allows 
for symmetric keying sidebands. As in PSK, do not overdrive anything
in the TX chain, and you should get a pretty decent signal.

With 1200 Hz wide sidebands, you must send quite snappy CW to exceed 
that. With proper spectrum keying shaping done in the soundcard,
a 2.4 kHz wide filter should be enough to send what will be received 
with another equal bandwidth filter, which is the most common thing for 
weak signal receiving nowadays.

73,

Jose, CO2JA



Andrew O'Brien wrote:

  *WHAT IS THE BANDWIDTH OF HIGHER-SPEED HSCW? ISN'T IT MUCH WIDER THAN
 STANDARD FILTERS CAN PASS?
 
 The formula given for the bandwidth of a standard CW signal, Bn=B*K, is
 based on make-break ICW, the on-off keying of a carrier, with the leading
 and trailing edge of the individual characters shaped by the keying
 circuits, the bias of the following stages, etc. Thus the formula is usable
 at the lowest HSCW speeds when make-break keying is used.
 
 But today nearly all HSCW is done by keying an injected audio tone. This
 means that if the transmitter is set up properly (i.e., processor off,
 nothing overdriven, a proper tone frequency, etc.), the keying is not 
 shaped
 by keying circuit components or adjustments of the transmitter. Rather, the
 shape of the rise and fall of the individual characters closely 
 approximates
 the shape of the injected sine wave audio tone. Thus, the above formula 
 does
 not apply for tone-injection HSCW operation.
 This is the reason that even the very-high-speed HSCW will fit in the
 passband of a standard SSB filter. Of course, misadjusted or overdriven
 audio or RF stages may cause spurious signals outside of the intended 
 range.
 But it has proved to be quite easy to generate a good-quality HSCW 
 signal by
 tone injection within the approximate bandwidth of a standard SSB filter.
 
 On 5/26/07, Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   All:

 Does anyone know the approximate bandwidth for
 injected audio tone high speed CW? Is there a way
 to calculate this?

 Thanks,

 Tony KT2Q



 


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