Re: [dmarc-discuss] please clarify

2016-04-05 Thread A. Schulze via dmarc-discuss


Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss:

That question has rather a large answer, parts of which span a  
decade of work on email authentication. It might perhaps be simpler  
to address the situation that's concerning you. Are you facing a  
specific situation for which this creates a problem?


Roland,

I do not have a specific problem. There was only a discussion on  
spamassassin-users ml about dmarc...

Thanks for your time :-)

Andreas

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Re: [dmarc-discuss] please clarify

2016-04-05 Thread Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss
Andreas Schulze wrote:

> Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss:
>
>> Yes. In all of the cases above, the Organizational Domain for both
>> RFC5322.From and the DKIM/SPF authentication is example.com,
>> consequently they match in relaxed mode. The same would be true for:
>>
>> - RFC5322.From: a.example.com
>> - DKIM or SPF authentication identifier: b.example.com
>>
>> Consideration 10.4 is exactly about what happens when independent
>> and/or potentially hostile parties have control of sub-domains.
>
> Thanks. That was new to me.
> Why was DMARC defined in that way?

That question has rather a large answer, parts of which span a decade of work 
on email authentication. It might perhaps be simpler to address the situation 
that's concerning you. Are you facing a specific situation for which this 
creates a problem?

- Roland

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Re: [dmarc-discuss] please clarify

2016-04-05 Thread Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss
Andreas Schulze wrote:

> Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss:
>
>> Yes. In all of the cases above, the Organizational Domain for both
>> RFC5322.From and the DKIM/SPF authentication is example.com,
>> consequently they match in relaxed mode. The same would be true for:
>>
>> - RFC5322.From: a.example.com
>> - DKIM or SPF authentication identifier: b.example.com
>>
>> Consideration 10.4 is exactly about what happens when independent
>> and/or potentially hostile parties have control of sub-domains.
>
> Thanks. That was new to me.
> Why was DMARC defined in that way?

That question has rather a large answer, parts of which span a decade of work 
on email authentication. It might perhaps be simpler to address the situation 
that's concerning you. Are you facing a specific situation for which this 
creates a problem?

- Roland

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Re: [dmarc-discuss] please clarify

2016-04-05 Thread A. Schulze via dmarc-discuss


Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss:

Yes. In all of the cases above, the Organizational Domain for both  
RFC5322.From and the DKIM/SPF authentication is example.com,  
consequently they match in relaxed mode. The same would be true for:


- RFC5322.From: a.example.com
- DKIM or SPF authentication identifier: b.example.com

Consideration 10.4 is exactly about what happens when independent  
and/or potentially hostile parties have control of sub-domains.


Thanks. That was new to me.
Why was DMARC defined in that way?

Andreas

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Re: [dmarc-discuss] please clarify

2016-04-05 Thread Roland Turner via dmarc-discuss
A. Schulze wrote:

> I have a question about DMARC alignments.
>
> the usual case:
>  - RFC5322.From: sub.example.com
>  - DKIM or SPF authentication identifier: example.com
>
> -> this is aligned in relax mode.
>
> But:
>  - RFC5322.From: example.com
>  - DKIM or SPF authentication identifier: sub.example.com
>
> Is this a relax alignment?
> At least https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7489#section-10.4 suggest it is.

Yes. In all of the cases above, the Organizational Domain for both RFC5322.From 
and the DKIM/SPF authentication is example.com, consequently they match in 
relaxed mode. The same would be true for:

- RFC5322.From: a.example.com
- DKIM or SPF authentication identifier: b.example.com

Consideration 10.4 is exactly about what happens when independent and/or 
potentially hostile parties have control of sub-domains.

- Roland
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