[PSES] AU/NZ Commercial-Industrial Power Plug

[Dean Jurgensen]

Hello All,

Just wondering if someone could offer some insight here.
We have a product rated 240V, 20A, single phase intended for the Australian/New 
Zealand markets.  Just wondering which male plug configuration is more 
popular/standard for higher current applications ... the 20A/240V plug  (2P+PE) 
configuration or the 25A/240V plug (2P+PE) configuration?

Thank You,
Dean



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[PSES] Job opening for Sr. Product Compliance Engineer

[Harrington, John]

Hello Group,

We have just posted a job opening for a Sr. Product Compliance Engineer for 
Tektronix.  Working for the Keithley Instruments product line out of the 
Keithley office in Solon, OH and I wondered if you or any of your colleagues 
might like to apply.  Link below for more information.

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Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for safety

[Douglas Powell]

Of course, I think we all understand, or at least I hope so, that
artificial intelligence cannot replace real humans in the world of product
safety engineering. My previous email was intended to jokingly point out
its shortcomings. And I had thought this would be obvious.

As for the future of artificial intelligence, I personally think there is
still a very long way to go. Keeping that in mind, all the different AIs,
not just ChatGPT, Bard, AI Writer, and Perplexity, were trained on limited
information, mostly from the WWW. A good friend of mine once described
the WWW as the world's largest repository of unqualified information
(thanks, Brian H). Last time I checked, ChatGPT-3 had a large training size
of 570 GB. ChatGPT-4 is apparently trained on about five times more than
that and is still ongoing. Although this is massive, it is certainly not
all that is available on the Internet or in the rest of the world's
libraries. The last time I checked, the available data on the WWW is
measured in exabytes (EB), and the annual transfer of data is in the range
of zettabytes (ZB), with much of this contained within daily email and
streaming media.  Even so, all this AI training is based on dated
information, which means it has no capacity for innovation whatsoever.

Even today, a close friend who is a professor of astrophysics is part of an
effort to understand when students who may be taking tests or
writing theses may be using AI to produce their answers. This is even
making software-based plagiarism detection, currently used by
our universities, very difficult.

-Doug

(Note: This email was written with the assistance of AI-based plagiarism
detection, summarization, and authoring tools)

Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
doug...@gmail.com
LinkedIn 

(UTC -06:00, US-MDT)



On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 7:27 AM Elliott Martinson 
wrote:

> ChatGPT is not “artificial intelligence”. It’s a “word calculator” IMO and
> I have a strong CS background.
>
>
>
> *From:* Vincent Lee <08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 10, 2023 8:45 AM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards
> for safety
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> ChatGPT is NOT specifically designed for product safety purposes.
>
> It can only give very general results, then it is the job of product
> safety professionals to add the missing details.
>
>
>
> In my work, I don't use ChatGPT, since it is not a tool designed for
> product safety which is a highly specialized engineering field.
>
> In my view, ChatGPT is a toy to ask for very general questions. It cannot
> replace product safety professionals. Moreover, who is going to be
> responsible if a product fails and causes harms to users when one used the
> test plan generated by ChatGPT ?
>
>
>
> Regards, Vincent
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 03:15:19 AM GMT+8, Douglas Powell <
> doug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Aside from all the news articles about problems with ChatGPT, I've tried a
> few things myself.  For example, "*write a complete test protocol for IEC
> 62368-1 for a desktop audio streaming amplifier weighing less than 7 kg.*
> "
>
>
>
> Of course, gave me a fairtly detailed but generally incomplete responses
> under these topic headings.
>
>
>
> 1. Objective:
>
> 2. Test Equipment:
>
> 3. Test Setup:
>
> 4. Test Procedures:
>
> 4.1.2. Lifting Test:
>
> 4.2.1. Ground Continuity Test:
>
> 4.2.2. Insulation Resistance Test:
>
> 4.2.3. Dielectric Voltage-Withstand Test:
>
> 4.3.1. Audio Performance Test:
>
> 4.3.2. Power Consumption Test:
>
> 4.4. Environmental Tests (if applicable):
>
> 5. Test Criteria:
>
> 6. ... *after this point it was left blank ...*
>
>
>
> In fun example is the 4.1.2 Lifting Test, it specified: "Apply a force of
> 200 N in the upward direction"
>
>
>
> -Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> Douglas E Powell
>
> Laporte, Colorado USA
>
> LinkedIn 
>
>
>
> (UTC -06:00, US-MDT)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:49 AM Chuck August-McDowell <
> chu...@meyersound.com> wrote:
>
> Friday’s attempt at humor…
>
> So how about using the text generator ChatGPT to write the standard draft?
>
>
>
>
>
> Chuck in Berkeley
>
>
>
> *From:* Vincent Lee <08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:05 PM
> *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO
> standards for safety
>
>
>
> [THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER]
>
> Huff,
>
>
>
> No national nor international is available yet.
>
>
>
> AI is more closely related to computer science than product safety.
>
> And who knows AI may experience another winter, since there were AI winter
> in 1980s - 1990s.
>
>
>
> Regards, Vincent
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:37:35 PM GMT+8, David Huff <
> dh...@vermeer.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> All,
>
> I 

Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for safety

[Elliott Martinson]

The fundamental problem with ChatGPT’s architecture is that it axiomatically 
CANNOT “know” what any words mean. Without there being a conscious observer to 
actually associate words with sensory experiences, it might as well be 
gibberish for all the algorithm cares. It doesn’t “know” anything.

From: Elliott Martinson 
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2023 8:27 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for 
safety

ChatGPT is not “artificial intelligence”. It’s a “word calculator” IMO and I 
have a strong CS background.

From: Vincent Lee 
<08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 8:45 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for 
safety

Hi all,

ChatGPT is NOT specifically designed for product safety purposes.
It can only give very general results, then it is the job of product safety 
professionals to add the missing details.

In my work, I don't use ChatGPT, since it is not a tool designed for product 
safety which is a highly specialized engineering field.
In my view, ChatGPT is a toy to ask for very general questions. It cannot 
replace product safety professionals. Moreover, who is going to be responsible 
if a product fails and causes harms to users when one used the test plan 
generated by ChatGPT ?

Regards, Vincent


On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 03:15:19 AM GMT+8, Douglas Powell 
mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Aside from all the news articles about problems with ChatGPT, I've tried a few 
things myself.  For example, "write a complete test protocol for IEC 62368-1 
for a desktop audio streaming amplifier weighing less than 7 kg."

Of course, gave me a fairtly detailed but generally incomplete responses under 
these topic headings.

1. Objective:
2. Test Equipment:
3. Test Setup:
4. Test Procedures:
4.1.2. Lifting Test:
4.2.1. Ground Continuity Test:
4.2.2. Insulation Resistance Test:
4.2.3. Dielectric Voltage-Withstand Test:
4.3.1. Audio Performance Test:
4.3.2. Power Consumption Test:
4.4. Environmental Tests (if applicable):
5. Test Criteria:
6. ... after this point it was left blank ...

In fun example is the 4.1.2 Lifting Test, it specified: "Apply a force of 200 N 
in the upward direction"

-Doug


Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
LinkedIn

(UTC -06:00, US-MDT)


On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:49 AM Chuck August-McDowell 
mailto:chu...@meyersound.com>> wrote:

Friday’s attempt at humor…

So how about using the text generator ChatGPT to write the standard draft?





Chuck in Berkeley



From: Vincent Lee 
<08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:05 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for 
safety



[THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER]

Huff,



No national nor international is available yet.



AI is more closely related to computer science than product safety.

And who knows AI may experience another winter, since there were AI winter in 
1980s - 1990s.



Regards, Vincent





On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:37:35 PM GMT+8, David Huff 
mailto:dh...@vermeer.com>> wrote:





All,

I am working to guide a design that uses Artificial Intelligence and machine 
vision thru a certification type process (CE Mark) and I am looking for ISO or 
IEC standards or similar related guidance.  My theory is that this is such new 
territory very little guidance exists yet.  Are there any recommendations for 
international guidance.



Thanks,

David



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All 

Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for safety

[Elliott Martinson]

ChatGPT is not “artificial intelligence”. It’s a “word calculator” IMO and I 
have a strong CS background.

From: Vincent Lee <08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2023 8:45 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for 
safety

Hi all,

ChatGPT is NOT specifically designed for product safety purposes.
It can only give very general results, then it is the job of product safety 
professionals to add the missing details.

In my work, I don't use ChatGPT, since it is not a tool designed for product 
safety which is a highly specialized engineering field.
In my view, ChatGPT is a toy to ask for very general questions. It cannot 
replace product safety professionals. Moreover, who is going to be responsible 
if a product fails and causes harms to users when one used the test plan 
generated by ChatGPT ?

Regards, Vincent


On Saturday, June 10, 2023 at 03:15:19 AM GMT+8, Douglas Powell 
mailto:doug...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Aside from all the news articles about problems with ChatGPT, I've tried a few 
things myself.  For example, "write a complete test protocol for IEC 62368-1 
for a desktop audio streaming amplifier weighing less than 7 kg."

Of course, gave me a fairtly detailed but generally incomplete responses under 
these topic headings.

1. Objective:
2. Test Equipment:
3. Test Setup:
4. Test Procedures:
4.1.2. Lifting Test:
4.2.1. Ground Continuity Test:
4.2.2. Insulation Resistance Test:
4.2.3. Dielectric Voltage-Withstand Test:
4.3.1. Audio Performance Test:
4.3.2. Power Consumption Test:
4.4. Environmental Tests (if applicable):
5. Test Criteria:
6. ... after this point it was left blank ...

In fun example is the 4.1.2 Lifting Test, it specified: "Apply a force of 200 N 
in the upward direction"

-Doug


Douglas E Powell
Laporte, Colorado USA
LinkedIn

(UTC -06:00, US-MDT)


On Fri, Jun 9, 2023 at 11:49 AM Chuck August-McDowell 
mailto:chu...@meyersound.com>> wrote:

Friday’s attempt at humor…

So how about using the text generator ChatGPT to write the standard draft?





Chuck in Berkeley



From: Vincent Lee 
<08e6c8d35910-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 7:05 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] Looking for AI or machine vision related ISO standards for 
safety



[THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN EXTERNAL SENDER]

Huff,



No national nor international is available yet.



AI is more closely related to computer science than product safety.

And who knows AI may experience another winter, since there were AI winter in 
1980s - 1990s.



Regards, Vincent





On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 10:37:35 PM GMT+8, David Huff 
mailto:dh...@vermeer.com>> wrote:





All,

I am working to guide a design that uses Artificial Intelligence and machine 
vision thru a certification type process (CE Mark) and I am looking for ISO or 
IEC standards or similar related guidance.  My theory is that this is such new 
territory very little guidance exists yet.  Are there any recommendations for 
international guidance.



Thanks,

David



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