[OSList] Re: WOSonOS Istanbul Updates no: 2

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Funda, Bike and Yesim,

this is grand news.
Having community locals expands diversity, one of the prerequisites for 
an open space gathering.
How about inviting  Serdil Dara Odabasi welcoming folks gathering in his 
district?


Greetings from Berlin
mmp


Am 29.04.2024 um 17:37 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:


Dear Friends and Colleagues,


Please note that we have changed the venue for WOSonOS Istanbul and 
updated our web page accordingly: _https://wosonos2024.istanbul/_



The new venue "Alan Kadıköy" is a new performance centre that belongs 
to Kadiköy Municipality. One of the reasons for moving WOSONOS 2024 
there is that the name of this beautiful performance center is already 
"Alan" meaning "Space".



Kadikoy (Chalcedon) Coast is easily accessible from the venue 
(Chalcedon is the first settlement founded by the Greeks of Megara on 
the Bosphorus in 685 BC). Kadıköy and especially Yeldeğirmeni, with 
many bars, cinemas, restaurants and bookstores, is a residential and 
commercial district, the liberal cultural center of the Anatolian side 
of Istanbul. Please note that Conservative Parties have never won in 
this area.



We think that this modern, brand new events center will add meaning 
and importance to WOSonOS especially following the loss of Harrison. 
It offers a comfortable and safe space suitable for up to 300 people. 
We also hope that through this event, we will be able to send a 
message to local authorities about participatory approaches. Another 
characteristic of this neighborhood is that despite this rapidly 
changing city, there are self organized solidarity movements who are 
trying to protect their living spaces and valleys (unfortunately a few 
green spaces left in Istanbul) and who are in cooperation with the 
Local Municipality. We are planning to invite them to WOSonOS 2024 to 
enable participants to feel connected to what is happening locally.



And last but not least for today I would like to share with you a song 
from a kurdish,turkish, danish singer with their group


about Istanbul:


_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSOJoTCsHBc_


Have a wonderful week!


Funda Oral Toussaint

https://fundaoraltoussaint.com/






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https://wosonos2024.istanbul/
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[OSList] Re: Loving you...

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Arno,

have yourself and some of the many open space folks from  Estonia and 
especially some of the students from the Tallin University at this years 
WOSonOS in Istanbul

https://wosonos2024.istanbul/


Harrison blows through my days... as do many others of us...

And when you mentioned Mikk I see him at the WOSonOS in 2003 in SwenMark 
(Sweden/Denmark) picking up a rabbit that sought shelter in the great 
barn where we

gathered and tenderly returning it to its habitat...

Wishing all of us a grand day
mmp

Am 28.03.2024 um 21:13 schrieb Arno Baltin via OSList:


Tartu Peace Treaty Anniversary
(Estonian-Russian Peace Treaty 1920)
February 2, 2003

Mikk Sarv invited Harrison to Tartu,
To teach peacebuilding.

Mikk was a folklorist.

Harrison was fascinated
By the people with such folklore
And such a folklorist.
I was lucky to participate in that workshop.

21 years have passed since then

The Open Space is well known in Estonia,
There are quite many space openers.

Every year about 50 students of Tallinn University
Get to experience the Open Space.

*Arno Baltin*
Tallinna Ülikool



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[OSList] Re: Experience with Open Space in China

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Ian,

have a look at the Open Space World Map and click on China

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/country/CN

there you can also see Audrey Hepburns profile

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/audrey-hepburn
In addition to the book she is holding in her left hand (Wave Rider) she 
has translated several other books of the man with the hat.


And also look at Taiwan with 7 resident os workers

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/country/TW

Gail West is one of the organizers of WOSonOS in Taiwan in 2009 and 2017.

ciao
mmp

Am 08.03.2024 um 08:30 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:

Dear Ian,

There is also Audrey Hepburn who translated the book of Open Space 
Technology into Chinese. I met her in some online OST meetings. She 
might also be reading these messages.


Have a nice day,
Funda

7 Mar 2024 Per 18:10 tarihinde Hulu Chen via OSList 
 şunu yazdı:


Hi Ian,
I've mentioned your message to Ms. Song who I used to work with
and ever since a very good friend. Happy to connect you with her.
I can also connect you with the Brazilian friend that dear
Harrison mentioned below. He's still in China.
Let me know.
Thanks,
Hulu


On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 5:00 PM hhowen--- via OSList
 wrote:

Open Space in China is massive and of 20 years duration. There
are Provinces (States) in China who mandated (bad idea) OST at
the community organization tool. The leading actors include
Mrs Song who I first heard about because she was using Open
space at the interface beterrn the Chinese Government and the
Tibbetan Monks. There are many others. On my last trip to
China about 8 years ago, I did a 4 day program in Beijing
where we had several 100 from all over China. When the program
was over I was sitting outside the hotel enjoying a beer when
two gentlemen I had never see before, one from Milan and one
from Brazilia — came up to me. Seems they were in China to do
an Open Space for Mercedez China — all their executives. Small
world.

Harrison

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[OSList] Fwd: Re: Birthing a New Order

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

... following Harrisons suggestion, see below,  I do send the story 
especially re the 5th principle, "Wherever it happens is the right place".
I do recall Harrsion and Claudia Gross huddling at an osonos in Sardinia 
talking about her experience on Tahrir Square in 2011,

see here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Egyptian_revolution#/media/File:Tahrir_Square_during_8_February_2011.jpg
At that osonos they came up with the 5th principle (as you know I call 
those "facts of life") and announced it during evening news or in 
morning announcements.l


Have a great day wherever you are
m

 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:Re: [OSList] Re: Birthing a New Order
Datum:  Sun, 18 Feb 2024 08:53:57 -0500
Von:Harrison Owen SR 
An: Michael M Pannwitz 



Michael -- that is a truly wonderful story and better the second time 
around (reading) I think you might consider posting it on OSLIST just as 
it is for all of those who doubt the utility of the 5th principle 
"Wherever it happens is the right place." That is right up there with 
the other great examples.


Harrison

On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 4:20 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 wrote:


   Thanks, Harrison!

   About three weeks ago, some tough investigative journalists
   (Correctiv) released an article on something atrocious that happened
   in Berlin. They reported on a meeting of right wing extremists
   forging plans for getting rid of folks with a migratory background.
   Immediately, a huge number of people took to the streets in
   thousands of cities of all sizes and are doing it to this day
   fighting for upholding democracy in Germany.
   It selforganized and then groups connected, probably thousands from
   all areas of civil society... labor unions, churches, climate
   activists, citizens movements of all kinds, such as Grandmothers for
   Future, anti faschists, NGOs, city governments...
   Nobody would have expected this kind of uprising.
   This is a poignant example of how the force of selforganization
   unfolds in critical situations.

   For me it was a wonderful experience yesterday when folks got
   together in our neighborhood in the afternoon. One hundred people
   were expected, 1300 came carrying hand made posters to the issue
   "Unser Kiez ist bunt - kein Platz für Rassismus!". All ages, many
   families, all walks of life, I met dozens of people I had not seen
   for years. The whole crowd had tiny gatherings (similar to breakout
   sessions) discussing stuff and moving about.

   Regarding your statement "... the discomforture of the departure of
   the old way of doing business and whatever is coming next.":
   I have run into a book by Kohei Saito, a japanese scientist, a
   german version was available last fall, the english one was
   published early this year. He weighs into the old way... the english
   title is "Slow Down - How Degrowth Communism Can Save The Earth"...
   First time I ran into this topic was in 1972 when the Club of Rome
   published "The Limits to Growth. A Report for the Club of Rome’s
   Project on the Predicament of Mankind)", produced at MIT. Since then
   nothing has taken place to actually reduce growth which appears to
   be a holy grail of our way of doing things.
   It will be extremely discomfortable, especially in the global north...

   Wish we all could study his book. It is full of surprises and new
   insights for me...

   Love and Peace and see to it that you never work harder than you have to
   ciao
   m




   Am 17.02.2024 um 17:32 schrieb hhowen--- via OSList:


As a world, we are obviously in a critical moment. Lots of Chaos,
confusion and conflict. And … there are also signs of renewal —
colonized peoples are finding the dignity and voice, forgotten
peoples left out of the contemporary world are discovering their
place. A great deal of moving and shaking, painful for everybody,
but hopeful for all. I believe we can actually make it, but
somewhere along the line we will have to deal with the Rage that
has manifest itself, coming from the discomforture of the
departure of the old way of doing business and whatever is coming
next. I certainly don’t have the answers, but I think I know where
to start. The attached, “After the Rage” is my best effort to the
the moment. I believe it is a moment of birth. Tell your own story!

Harrison


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[OSList] Re: Birthing a New Order

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Thanks, Harrison!

About three weeks ago, some tough investigative journalists (Correctiv) 
released an article on something atrocious that happened in Berlin. They 
reported on a meeting of right wing extremists forging plans for getting 
rid of folks with a migratory background.
Immediately, a huge number of people took to the streets in thousands of 
cities of all sizes and are doing it to this day fighting for upholding 
democracy in Germany.
It selforganized and then groups connected, probably thousands from all 
areas of civil society... labor unions, churches, climate activists, 
citizens movements of all kinds, such as Grandmothers for Future, anti 
faschists, NGOs, city governments...

Nobody would have expected this kind of uprising.
This is a poignant example of how the force of selforganization unfolds 
in critical situations.


For me it was a wonderful experience yesterday when folks got together 
in our neighborhood in the afternoon. One hundred people were expected, 
1300 came carrying hand made posters to the issue "Unser Kiez ist bunt - 
kein Platz für Rassismus!". All ages, many families, all walks of life, 
I met dozens of people I had not seen for years. The whole crowd had 
tiny gatherings (similar to breakout sessions) discussing stuff and 
moving about.


Regarding your statement "... the discomforture of the departure of the 
old way of doing business and whatever is coming next.":
I have run into a book by Kohei Saito, a japanese scientist, a german 
version was available last fall, the english one was published early 
this year. He weighs into the old way... the english title is "Slow Down 
- How Degrowth Communism Can Save The Earth"...
First time I ran into this topic was in 1972 when the Club of Rome 
published "The Limits to Growth. A Report for the Club of Rome’s Project 
on the Predicament of Mankind)", produced at MIT. Since then nothing has 
taken place to actually reduce growth which appears to be a holy grail 
of our way of doing things.

It will be extremely discomfortable, especially in the global north...

Wish we all could study his book. It is full of surprises and new 
insights for me...


Love and Peace and see to it that you never work harder than you have to
ciao
m




Am 17.02.2024 um 17:32 schrieb hhowen--- via OSList:


As a world, we are obviously in a critical moment. Lots of Chaos, 
confusion and conflict. And … there are also signs of renewal — 
colonized peoples are finding the dignity and voice, forgotten peoples 
left out of the contemporary world are discovering their place. A 
great deal of moving and shaking, painful for everybody, but hopeful 
for all. I believe we can actually make it, but somewhere along the 
line we will have to deal with the Rage that has manifest itself, 
coming from the discomforture of the departure of the old way of doing 
business and whatever is coming next. I certainly don’t have the 
answers, but I think I know where to start. The attached, “After the 
Rage” is my best effort to the the moment. I believe it is a moment of 
birth. Tell your own story!


Harrison


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[OSList] Fwd: Fwd: The “shaman” is actually Harrison Owen

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Funda and you others out there,

lets not forget that Harrison is a master of language and master of 
tongue in cheek and certainly also born with a large vein of humor.


Of course, the "principles" are not principles and they are also not 
rules or laws, they simply are "facts of life".


Proof of that is that these facts are understood instantaneously in 
every culture.


Have a great day wherever you are
mmp

PS: Its also worth taking a look at page 149 in the Practice of Peace 
and also at page 154.
In addition, especially in these days, a look at page125 where you find 
detailed descriptions of his CAVEATS for peacemakers:


---Never work harder than you have to
---Dont fix it if it ain't broke
---Never delude yourself into thinking you are in control

Oh well, get the whole book, it is available as an ebook here

https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/produkt/the-practice-of-peace-e-book/


and also in the print version

https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/produkt/the-practice-of-peace/




Am 12.02.2024 um 11:01 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:

Dear Harrison Owen,
Dear Chris Corrigan,
Dear OSList,

I think, we need Open Space Technology as described and written and 
designed by Harrison Owen around the world.


However we don't need any Shaman.

I don't how much time to write my opinions but I never use these 
principles with religious other spiritual references.


People understand these principles easily from their life, from where 
they come from.


Thanks!

Funda Oral
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[OSList] Re: Harrison Owen's talk on video from Peace & High Performance last week

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Greetings from Berlin!
Not working for me either, hmmm.

mmp

Am 20.01.2024 um 05:08 schrieb Gail West via OSList:

Not working for me either!   Gail West

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 11:37 AM Glenn Waters via OSList 
 wrote:


I don't get any audio when playing this. I've tried on my phone
(iOS) and on two browsers (Chrome & Firefox) on my MacBook. Is it
working for others?

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024, at 18:16, Harold Shinsato via OSList wrote:

Dear OSList,

Harrison Owen spoke for over an hour to the attendees of Opening
Space for Peace & High Performance less than a week ago now.

For me, it was one of the most moving (if not THE most moving
talk I've heard him give). The link to the video is below.

https://youtu.be/MkXbakubcw4



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[OSList] Re: Any Open Spaceniks around Melbourne?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Try this:

click on

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/

then search for Australia and click on it, gets you to

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/country/AU

and here scroll down to

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/dee-brooks

she lives in St. Kilda, Melbourne
and to

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/worker/wayne-strong

Wayne lives close to Melbourne

Happy hunting
m

Am 19.12.2023 um 19:23 schrieb Chris Corrigan via OSList:

The location of the 2002 OSonOS.

Viv McWaters and Geoff Brown are there.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 12:14 AM Thomas Herrmann via OSList 
 wrote:


Dear friends in Open Space

I just got in touch with a person in Melbourne Australia really
hungry to learn and understand more about the field we are working in.

Please let me know if you’d be willing to connect

All the best and Merry X-mas

Thomas Herrmann

Open Space Consulting AB

Pensévägen 4, 434 46 Kungsbacka, Sweden

Telefon: +46 (0)709 98 97 81

Email: tho...@openspaceconsulting.com


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[OSList] Re: WONSonOS 2024

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Funda,

wishing you and all the Teams and all of us grand rides on the waves of 
selforganization... all the way to Istanbul in 2024.


Congratulations
mmp



Am 23.10.2023 um 04:08 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:

Hello Everyone,

As mentionned by Dear Jo, I am ready to invite all of you for WOSONOS 
2024 in Istanbul.


The Organizing Team, The Facilitation Team and the Invitation Teams 
are getting organized (nearly self organized:) already since  last 
Saturday. The preparation meetings start tomorrow.


I will be honored to coordinate all this efforts and work.

You will be in good hands in Istanbul too.

I will share the dates as soon as it's decided.

Warmly,
Funda Oral



I am looking forward to have a nice time with you in Istanbul.


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[OSList] Re: 24 hour virtual Open Space?

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Dear Patrice,

1 There are no "rules" in open space. There are some principles / facts 
of life that are mentioned at the beginning. And the "Law of two feet" 
is a tongue in cheek (in German: mit einem Augenzwinkern) by the Man 
with the hat. It simply is a possible mechanism for honoring the group 
with ones absence if you can neither contribute nor learn whatever.


2 Translation is something participants will take care of, so dont bother.

3 Code of conduct, hmm. Again, the crowd will take care of it. Its none 
of the business of the facilitator. The facilitator should attempt to be 
fully present and at the same time be invisible. (I have never been in 
anything online, so there might be a bunch of technical challenges... in 
a face to face event I usually would take a nap or go for a walk while 
folks start with their breakout session and I would turn up again in the 
closing circle).


Less is more, might be another "rule".

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 06.10.2023 um 08:21 schrieb Patrice Pederson via OSList:

Hello everyone!

I'm a first time poster. I asked a couple questions in a facebook 
group and was told about this group. I do have a couple of specific 
questions, but honestly I mostly need a little reassurance that what I 
am attempting to do is not completely insane. And if it is, then maybe 
some ideas for how to mitigate the damage?


I've committed to literally everyone in my professional field to host 
a Global Youth Summit for Freedom of Religion or Belief. 
 I've 
got a few dozen countries co-sponsoring the thing as well as several 
NGOs. It's something I have had on the backburner for years, until the 
UK Prime Minister's Special Envoy heard about it, lit a fire under me, 
and now it is spreading like wildfire and I can hardly keep up.


So here are the questions:
1) So far we have young people from around 65 countries registered. 
Instead of doing three eight hour days, I decided to do one 24 (well 
25 really) hour day so that people can participate from wherever they 
are in the world--during work, before or after school or work, etc. I 
genuinely have no idea when people will participate or for how long, 
and I know that this violates one of the rules of Open Space which is 
that it is no good to pop in and out. But for this purpose I really 
don't see an alternative.


So, insane? Any way to mitigate the damage? I did schedule the Opening 
Circle for a time when people should at least be awake from LA to 
Bangkok (and we don't have many Pacific Islanders registered yet 
anyway). And for those who are working we will record that event for 
later consumption.


2) Does anyone have experience with multilingual Open Space events? My 
first instinct was that everyone needs to speak English. But the 
result is that we have only three participants from Latin America. So 
we are a "global" summit minus one entire continent. So then my second 
thought is that, if we could get like 50 people, with enough bilingual 
people to cross-pollinate, then we could have a sort of an event 
within an event.


Again, crazy? Or totally fine because Open Space is Open?

Finally, this event is already going to be wild. We have a ton of 
Nigerians coming, many of whom have personally seen their friends and 
family members stabbed, burned, disappeared, etc., by Islamists. And 
then we have Muslims whose friends and families are getting lynched by 
Hindus in India, or genocided in Burma and China, and Hindus who are 
being persecuted in Pakistan, and LGBTQ youth who are getting bullied 
by so-called Christians, etc. etc. etc. Basically, everyone is a 
victim somewhere, and everyone is an aggressor somewhere, and I'm 
getting them all together in one big virtual room with 50+ breakout 
sessions and just one me.


So, is co-facilitation a possibility? Would anybody be interested? 
Also, I do need to sleep at some point. We're going to need mechanisms 
to enforce a code of conduct (nonviolence at a minimum), but I think 
that I shouldn't be the one to enforce it because I need to hold the 
space, yes?


Basically I could just really use some support, and I read that this 
group is good for that. It has been a minute since grad school when I 
studied all of this stuff. And while I have taken liberties with the 
OST model in the past, this time I'm worried that I might have gone 
too far.


Thanks for any words.

Patrice

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[OSList] Re: A question about using OST for developing research proposals

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Doris,

in all of the ost events I was involved in actions were on the 
initiative of the participants, including the action of folks getting 
together to get funds for a project.


In fact, I experienced several ost events in which "experts" were 
invited. In all those events the experts did not want to be the first to 
post issues or hold a workshop. And as issues were posted they found 
those more interesting to them than to enter into the role of expert.


Everybody learned and as usual actions were agreed upon... this was 
especially the case in 3 day events (one afternoon, one day, and one 
morning for action planning... 16 hours, 2 nights sleep over 3 days). In 
one event for the banking sector in Denmark three participants found 
each other and fouded a new enterprise during the event.


So. to me, it was the regular perception of ost events.
And, of course, I had nothing to do myself except working hard on 
holding back and be enchanted by the force of selforganisation.


In the planning events before the ost event which I always insisted on, 
the scope of "who all should be part of this to make our dreams come 
true" was expanded. What would happen if potential funding folks were 
also invited, from foundations...


See you in Berlin next month at the WOSonOS23 where I hope that sponsors 
of ost events will also come and participants of ost events... that 
would enhance our perception...


Take care
mmp

Am 25.09.2023 um 18:31 schrieb Doris Gottlieb via OSList:

Dear everyone,

A client of mine is using OST in order to bring together researchers 
from across different fields in order to develop a research program 
with regard to the climate transition.  Some actions developed will 
simply be on people's own initiatives. Others will be able to use what 
they are learning to form a group to put forward a funding proposal.


I am curious if in the history of Open Space there have been 
similar such projects?  And if so if there are any stories or 
experiences that people would be willing to share?


It seems to me that in my long time in the background on this list, I 
must have seen something similar, but I just can't remember.


Thanks so much for any thoughts,

With gratitude and appreciation,

Doris

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[OSList] Re: Is OST sustainable? HOW OST Communities are organized?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Tony and Funda and everyone,

here are my questions to the questions raised, as I understand the 
question raised:


Are we not selforganized?
Is recognizing being selforganizing not a balm for our souls in a world 
of organizing?


In this context, what is the OST community?
What are the prerequisites for stuff that is  called "community"?

If we agree on the assumption that everything is selforganized 
(families, clans, villages, marketplaces, neighborhoods, mafia, 
churches, soccer teams, armies, labour unions, navies, police, 
hospitals, schools, universities, military, political parties, open 
space, strikes, grassroots movements... and beyond human forms of 
organizing such as forests, oceans, glaciers, deserts, the weather, 
pandemics, the universe, storms, fogs, the morning dew on the meadow 
that I touched with my feet an hour ago in our garden, volcanoes, earth 
quakes, rivers, ponds, bird swarms, fish swarms, insect swarms, ant 
hives, bee hives, earthworm networks, communication between trees...)

are our interactions as OST workers and open space lovers selforganizing?

To what degree do we live our talk when it gets to the nitty gritty of 
our assumptions about 2selforganizing?


Wishing us a wonderful morning, noon, afternoon, evening, night... 
whatever time it is in our diverse states and realms...


Love and Peace and remember the weatherforcast for October 18 in Berlin, 
it is assumed to  be "rather cooler with temperatures of 7°C and 14°C. 
Please bring a warm jacket in October!"

But be prepared, to be surprised.

mmp


Am 27.08.2023 um 17:05 schrieb Tony Budak via OSList:


Dear Funda and anyone,
You write here below: “To make it short,/*I wanted to analyze how we 
are organized, not as OST community.*/ Yesterday I forgot to add Face 
Book Groups, LinkedIn Pages, Qiqo Chat Communities, etc….and discuss 
with my colleagues if this is what we want and what we need?”






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[OSList] Re: From humboldt to harrison to winge... really?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Rolf,

thanks for the thorough research.
I enjoyed reading your notes.

Looking at your personal interpetration, my brain immediately focused on
"a lot of interaction took place in the breaks".
It is this interaction in selforganized smaller groups that HO noticed 
at the traditional "conferences" that the OT (Organisational 
Transformation) gang had once a year.
The "coffee breaks"  were alive, intense, folks laughed, etc... in stark 
contrast to the planned part of the conference.
Thus, he came up with an approach that had "coffee breaks" at its 
center.  Adding stuff like  circle and the Market Place open space began 
to unfold... and evolved into OST which is still unfolding...


Hope you can come to the WOSonOS in Berlin in October not far away from 
the Humboldt University that was founded in 1810...


Greetings from Berlin
mmp


Am 09.08.2023 um 20:38 schrieb Rolf F. Katzenberger via OSList:


Hi Bhav and all,

A bit late to the party, but I've researched a little and would like 
to share a little context with you. The post on LinkedIn briefly 
quotes a secondary source, which includes only a few paragraphs on the 
*1828 Berlin Gathering ("Versammlung")*.


*There is also a comprehensive 57-page report (in German) on this 
gathering*, published by the organizers (Humboldt and Lichtenstein) a 
year later. It is downloadable from 
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Gesellschaft_Deutscher_Naturforscher_und_%C3%84rzte 



Interestingly, one goal of that report was to satisfy the large 
interest in "how the preparations were made, since this might be 
useful in case the gathering was to occur in a large and populous 
place again" (page IV). The content of the report is truly amazing and 
answers all related questions; plus, it gives an account of how things 
played out, in practice. It states that organization started 9 months 
ahead of the gathering (p. 1). Organizers were aware that the number 
of participants would grow considerably, compared to earlier years (p. 
2 & 4; today it is assumed that ultimately around 460 men attended).


*A few key points of the report*:

 1. Besides the participants, around 600 local dignitaries received
tickets. So there was a selected "audience", too.
 2. Every day 10am-2pm, there was a "public gathering" for all
participants. Every participant had a reserved, numbered seat
(p.12), and both the selected audience and the participants had
their own, separate entrances and seating spaces. There was also
kind of a gallery with access completely open for everybody. There
is a sketch of the room setup in the annex, it resembles a school
setup with rows of tables facing a presenter stage.
 3. The public gatherings were expressly meant for /lectures/
("Vorträge"), and considering roughly 460 participants would of
course not allow for everybody of them giving a lecture. At the
beginning, the lectures of the day, and their sequence, were to be
shouted out loud; at the end, the same for the lectures of the
following day (p. 11 & 12).
 4. A few separate rooms were reserved for conversations and
communications ("Mittheilungen", literally: "sharings"),
presentations and demonstrations that were not of "wide interest",
where members of specific "sections" (topics) would gather (p. 12
& 22)
 5. After the daily public gatherings, participants would have lunch
together at 20 tables, 24 persons each, in a huge hall.
 6. The afternoons were reserved for excursions.
 7. On the second day, "sections" had formed for "geognosis and
geography"; "physics and chemistry"; "anatomy and physiology";
"zoology"; "botanics"; "practical medicine"; also the sections had
agreed on when and where they would meet (p. 22); the naming
changed a bit later, and the sections had elected chairmen (1-2,
per section) (p. 31)
 8. The report states that on the evening on the second day, members
of the "sections" gathered in large numbers at the "Cafe royal"
and more lectures and presentations were given (p. 23 & 24);
interestingly, the report mentions both lectures ("Vorträge") as
well as conversations & communications (which is my interpretation
of "Mittheilungen"); it seems to be clear that /both/ happened,
from the records of what happened in the sections (p. 32 to 55):
lectures; handouts of new maps and other documents; presentations
of medical case studies etc.
 9. On the evening of the third day, the "sections" gathered again; it
was noted that more rooms were provided, and some rooms were
cleared more, to allow for more space. (p. 24)
10. At the end of the event, suggestions for a follow-up event were
presented and there was a vote (p. 24)
11. On the last day, a specific interpretation (!) of of the statues
was discussed and won a majority: the event organizer was to
decide, together with the members of the respective sections which
lectures were "suitable" for the 

[OSList] Fwd: Re: From humboldt to harrison to winge... really?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

... oops, the piece below went to Lucas but I intended it to all of us
mmpgettingolder


 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:Re: [OSList] Re: From humboldt to harrison to winge... really?
Datum:  Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:16:31 +0200
Von:Michael M Pannwitz 
An: Lucas Cioffi 



Dear colleagues,

well, precursors to OST were in ancient times, the circle and the circle 
breaking up into what we call "breakout sessions" and then gathering 
again in the circle was one of the elements HO saw with his own eyes in 
a village in Africa... in my understanding a grand example of expanding 
time and space for unfolding of selforganisation.
In an os event I facilitated in Kenia I was interrupted by one of the 
elders in my introduction with the sentence: "I know this, it is what we 
used to do in our village". When I asked him what their gatherings were 
called, he said: "Gathering under a shady tree". Other elders in the 
group remarked that they heard about such gatherings in their village 
(the participants came from various tribes) but that they are no longer 
in use.
Humboldt might fit into this picture. He got around all over the world 
and it would not surprise me him having seen such processes in the many 
cultures that he visited...
I also remember HO or some other wise person saying that they did not 
"invent" ost but that they "remembered" it.


Have a great day wherever you
cheers
mmp

Am 28.06.2023 um 08:52 schrieb Lucas Cioffi via OSList:

Hi Bhav and everyone!

I hope you are doing great, and thank you for posting the article 
by Tim O'Reilly.  I pasted in the relevant quote about the scientist 
Humboldt who created a conversational conference.


Given the information available in the article, I can't come to the 
same conclusion of the author, that Humboldt's event format was the 
same as open space.  I think more info is needed to hear about whether 
people could propose topics, whether they could choose sessions, and 
whether they could move between sessions.  From the information 
available, it might be that Humboldt chose all the topics and assigned 
people to different discussions.


Here is the relevant part of the article:

"Humboldt was revolutionizing the sciences. In September 1828 he
invited hundreds of scientists from across Germany and Europe to
attend a conference in Berlin. Unlike previous such meetings at
which scientists had endlessly presented papers about their own
work, Humboldt put together a very different programme. Rather
than being talked at, he wanted the scientists to talk with each
other. There were convivial meals and social outings such as
concerts and excursions to the royal menagerie on the Pfaueninsel
in Potsdam. Meetings were held among botanical, zoological and
fossil collections as well as at the university and the botanical
garden. Humboldt encouraged scientists to gather in small groups
and across disciplines. He connected the visiting scientists on a
more personal level, ensuring that they forged friendships that
would foster close networks. He envisaged an interdisciplinary
brotherhood of scientists who would exchange and share knowledge.
‘Without a diversity of opinion, the discovery of truth is
impossible,’ he reminded them in his opening speech."

It would be interesting to know more.
Lucas Cioffi

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[OSList] Re: OST and international strategy.

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Yes, Christine, it is beautiful.
Thanks for the story.
I bet it will come up at the WOSonOS2023!

tickle selforganisation whenever you can
cheers
mmp

Am 23.06.2023 um 18:27 schrieb christine koehler via OSList:


Dear all,


Peggy who gave me a hand on my last OS event suggested I post the 
story here. Hoping we would share more stories of OS again.;)


Here it is. Hope you enjoy it !


I was contacted by an international organization a few weeks ago, 
following another OS event someone attended last year and that I 
facilitated and this someone recommended me when a facilitator was 
looked for.



Issue was as follows :

Sponsor was the secretariat of a partnership of 3 international 
organizations, working on an international strategy. This year was mid 
term of the strategy and there has been an independent evaluation of 
the strategy. Evaluation has been submitted to leadership and 
approved. Now the project management team needed to answer concretely 
to those 8 recommandations and 40 sub-recommandations.


This management team that meet usually by visioconférence agreed that 
they needed to do that in person.


So they agreed for a  2 days gathering.


When they called, the seminar was planned 4 weeks later.


I said I could help.

Tova pointed out that I was brave and indeed I was. Or foolish more 
probably. Because the evaluation pointed 40 detailed actions...


I felt I could help only with OST.

They agreed. `


Here is what happened.


Pre work was difficult because

1/ timing was really tight (4 weeks...)

2/ they were over busy.


I insisted to have a planing team with the 3 different partners of 
strategy. But one of them was still more busy than the others and we 
could only see us once, one week prior to the event. Of course this 
lady was very doubtful about OST and we didn’t ’t have time to adresse 
her concerns fully.


The other person from the 3rd organization was also skeptical but the 
feeling was different.



This lady raised of course her concern again in the opening circle the 
morning of the event : we won’t  be able to address all the 40 
sub-recommandations !


So we took into account her idea and opened a Parking Lot for topics 
we could not explore fully as there were a few missing stakeholders, 
and  a few topics that were to be addressed in future  meetings 
already  planned in the coming weeks.



It was interesting to see how this lady was torn :

From the very beginning of the prework , when I learned that she would 
be the only one from the funding agency, and that this was of course 
the most delicate matter, I suggested they invited more people from 
her organization. But she didn’t invited them, saying : "there is no 
agenda, I can’t invite them".


We were in her building, her organisation was the host of the meeting.

As I was explaining how we were going to create the agenda, she 
suddenly disappeared  and came back 10 mn later with one of her 
colleague, who finally stayed the whole day and participated in many 
discussions (on and off ;).


The second day, I saw  that she had invited also another colleague who 
had a few chats here and there, not really in, but beautifully 
butterflying.



It went very well of course.


On the second day, we started with a very top-down 15 mn time from one 
of the partner who needed to give information to all. Then we split 
into the 2 additional topics that were not held on day 1.



Then I did CHEEKS IN CHAIRS activity that Peggy had told me about : 
Everyone standing,  I asked : what really stands out for you right now ?


Someone would start. As soon as everything that stand out for someone 
was said, this person would sit down.


We laughed : After only  3 people, everyone was seated..

So much convergence visible.


Then we worked on the action plans. I had asked for giant printed 
templates, and more breakout rooms.



There were more butterflies during the action planning… argh, this 
lady dealing with money was upset again.



At the end of day 2, one very important action plan was missing : the 
host completely had disappeared for a few hours.


...

But 4 days later, the action plan appeared in my mail box;)


The closing was all about being so happy to have met everyone and 
connected.



Here is what they told me when I debriefed with the sponsor :


They particularly appreciated the calm and sense of intimacy the 
breakout sessions created.


 Although they all left absolutely drained. So much work done..


They felt it enabled everyone, including the new people, those who are 
coming into the strategy and still need to learn so much, to get 
comfortable to participate from the very beginning , each one as equal 
. This is not common in this kind of organizations , there are people 
who are held much more above others…Usually they are the ones who talk.



They had very good feedback from participants and  are already 
spreading the word of OST .



And what they were most happy about what that everyone made 

[OSList] Re: WOSonOS 2023: Invitation to the survey on development of a theme

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Ok, here we go, Thomas, I see you dashing to the center of the circle, 
grabbing a sheet, writing "Beachvolley Planning Comittee" and then 
seeing that everyone wants to attend and be part of the game...


Had a look at the Marysville video?

cheers
mmp

Am 07.06.2023 um 10:27 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:


Heaven for a beachvolley fan like me 

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development of a theme


Dear Thomas,

"What's washing up on your beach"  in some way would relate to the 
space we will meet in: "Beach Mitte" in Berlin this fall...


Checked the Marysville OSonOS,
seems there was no "theme", just
10th Annual OPEN SPACE on OPEN SPACE
("Worldwide" was not yet part of the title)
see here

https://openspaceworld.org/files/osonos/proceedings/osonos10.pdf

There is also a video in which Brian Bainbridge added the standard 
"issues and opportunities" to the standard heading (OSonOS) in his 
opening... its a great little video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlRiX_ID68=120s
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlRiX_ID68=120s>


I doubt that Brian would have been happy with "What's washing up on 
your beach"



Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 06.06.2023 um 12:20 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:

I agree, to me it’s an “open space on open space” whatever other
theme may emerge.

To me a WOSonOS is about meeting others who have passion to make a
difference in the world by using and sharing the gifts on Open
Space Technology. As many of us know, working with OST opens up
endless space within myself and my surroundings so there are
endless possibilities to explore…

I was looking for when we had a theme like “Open Space on Open
Space - What’s washing up on your beach”, thought it was in
Marysville Australia 2002 but maybe it was elsewhere?

    See you in Berlin

Thomas Herrmann

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development of a theme

Dear Funda,

no matter what the heading, title, theme, symbol, orientation,
philosophy, issue, desire, question, commitment, engagement... for
our WOSonOSes might be, I will attend if close enough and me being
fit.

In fact, I wonder what happend to

"Open Space on Open Space"

the unique feature of our huggable gathering. Available once a
year in a full-fledged, three days, sleeping twice open space...
rarely experienced as participants.

In my praxis of OST I discovered that all the different things
happening in a Planning Group session of 3.5 hours were essential
for the transformation of the Planning Group into an Action Group
with passion and responsibility, ready to write an invitation,
finding ways of inviting a diverse spectrum of the "right" people
(remember: "Whoever comes, IS the right people". The singular "is"
allowing for various individuals  and "a people", meaning the
collective) and defining all the tasks that need to be attended to
before the event.

Phenomena such as Vision, Leadership, Management and Community for
which millions of consultants developed millions of approaches
unfold all by themselves in ost events with everyone taking on the
roles as Visionary or Leader or Manager or Community Organizer as
the situation requires.

That is what we regulary experience, often with awe, and sometimes
changing ourselves in unexpected ways in os events. Where else?
Regardless of the grand Title.

One of my favorites is
"Was machen wir jetzt?" (What now?)
See here who used that heading and who was in the os-team back in
2002



https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/128-was-machen-wir-jetzt


Greetings from Berlin, blackberries blossoming and sparrows
feeding their offsprings in our garden...

mmp
and take a look at the signature, including the link to WOSonOS2023


Am 04.06.2023 um 09:55 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:

Dear Everybody,

Thank you to those who ask questions and who take time to answer.

I participated in the planning meeting and kept thinking about
this issue.

I am just a little bit hesitant about the */How can we better
enjoy the flow of life? /*concept in Berlin as there

are so many alternatives *to enjoy the flow of life*. I don't
know why people would come to WOSONOS?

I may suggest :

*"How can we enjoy the leadership 

[OSList] Re: WOSonOS 2023: Invitation to the survey on development of a theme

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Thomas,

"What's washing up on your beach"  in some way would relate to the space 
we will meet in: "Beach Mitte" in Berlin this fall...


Checked the Marysville OSonOS,
seems there was no "theme", just
10th Annual OPEN SPACE on OPEN SPACE
("Worldwide" was not yet part of the title)
see here

https://openspaceworld.org/files/osonos/proceedings/osonos10.pdf
There is also a video in which Brian Bainbridge added the standard 
"issues and opportunities" to the standard heading (OSonOS) in his 
opening... its a great little video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WlRiX_ID68=120s


I doubt that Brian would have been happy with "What's washing up on your 
beach"



Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 06.06.2023 um 12:20 schrieb Thomas Herrmann via OSList:


I agree, to me it’s an “open space on open space” whatever other theme 
may emerge.


To me a WOSonOS is about meeting others who have passion to make a 
difference in the world by using and sharing the gifts on Open Space 
Technology. As many of us know, working with OST opens up endless 
space within myself and my surroundings so there are endless 
possibilities to explore…


I was looking for when we had a theme like “Open Space on Open Space - 
What’s washing up on your beach”, thought it was in Marysville 
Australia 2002 but maybe it was elsewhere?


See you in Berlin

Thomas Herrmann

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*Skickat:* den 4 juni 2023 12:45
*Till:* Funda Oral ; OS LIST 
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development of a theme


Dear Funda,

no matter what the heading, title, theme, symbol, orientation, 
philosophy, issue, desire, question, commitment, engagement... for our 
WOSonOSes might be, I will attend if close enough and me being fit.


In fact, I wonder what happend to

"Open Space on Open Space"

the unique feature of our huggable gathering. Available once a year in 
a full-fledged, three days, sleeping twice open space... rarely 
experienced as participants.


In my praxis of OST I discovered that all the different things 
happening in a Planning Group session of 3.5 hours were essential for 
the transformation of the Planning Group into an Action Group with 
passion and responsibility, ready to write an invitation, finding ways 
of inviting a diverse spectrum of the "right" people (remember: 
"Whoever comes, IS the right people". The singular "is" allowing for 
various individuals and "a people", meaning the collective) and 
defining all the tasks that need to be attended to before the event.


Phenomena such as Vision, Leadership, Management and Community for 
which millions of consultants developed millions of approaches unfold 
all by themselves in ost events with everyone taking on the roles as 
Visionary or Leader or Manager or Community Organizer as the situation 
requires.


That is what we regulary experience, often with awe, and sometimes 
changing ourselves in unexpected ways in os events. Where else? 
Regardless of the grand Title.


One of my favorites is
"Was machen wir jetzt?" (What now?)
See here who used that heading and who was in the os-team back in 2002


https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/128-was-machen-wir-jetzt


Greetings from Berlin, blackberries blossoming and sparrows feeding 
their offsprings in our garden...


mmp
and take a look at the signature, including the link to WOSonOS2023

Am 04.06.2023 um 09:55 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:

Dear Everybody,

Thank you to those who ask questions and who take time to answer.

I participated in the planning meeting and kept thinking about
this issue.

I am just a little bit hesitant about the */How can we better
enjoy the flow of life? /*concept in Berlin as there

are so many alternatives *to enjoy the flow of life*. I don't know
why people would come to WOSONOS?

I may suggest :

*"How can we enjoy the leadership of everyone: taking
responsibility for what we care for?"*

Looking forward to WOSONOS Berlin.

Have a nice Sunday,

Funda Oral

from Istanbul and Berlin

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[OSList] Re: WOSonOS 2023: Invitation to the survey on development of a theme

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Funda,

no matter what the heading, title, theme, symbol, orientation, 
philosophy, issue, desire, question, commitment, engagement... for our 
WOSonOSes might be, I will attend if close enough and me being fit.


In fact, I wonder what happend to

"Open Space on Open Space"

the unique feature of our huggable gathering. Available once a year in a 
full-fledged, three days, sleeping twice open space... rarely 
experienced as participants.


In my praxis of OST I discovered that all the different things happening 
in a Planning Group session of 3.5 hours were essential for the 
transformation of the Planning Group into an Action Group with passion 
and responsibility, ready to write an invitation, finding ways of 
inviting a diverse spectrum of the "right" people (remember: "Whoever 
comes, IS the right people". The singular "is" allowing for various 
individuals  and "a people", meaning the collective) and defining all 
the tasks that need to be attended to before the event.


Phenomena such as Vision, Leadership, Management and Community for which 
millions of consultants developed millions of approaches unfold all by 
themselves in ost events with everyone taking on the roles as Visionary 
or Leader or Manager or Community Organizer as the situation requires.


That is what we regulary experience, often with awe, and sometimes 
changing ourselves in unexpected ways in os events. Where else? 
Regardless of the grand Title.


One of my favorites is
"Was machen wir jetzt?" (What now?)
See here who used that heading and who was in the os-team back in 2002


https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/128-was-machen-wir-jetzt


Greetings from Berlin, blackberries blossoming and sparrows feeding 
their offsprings in our garden...


mmp
and take a look at the signature, including the link to WOSonOS2023


Am 04.06.2023 um 09:55 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:

Dear Everybody,

Thank you to those who ask questions and who take time to answer.

I participated in the planning meeting and kept thinking about this issue.

I am just a little bit hesitant about the */How can we better enjoy 
the flow of life? /*concept in Berlin as there
are so many alternatives *to enjoy the flow of life*. I don't know why 
people would come to WOSONOS?


I may suggest :

*"How can we enjoy the leadership of everyone: taking responsibility 
for what we care for?"*

*
*
Looking forward to WOSONOS Berlin.

Have a nice Sunday,
Funda Oral
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[OSList] Thai version of Principles, Law and Admonition

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear colleagues and friends,

Below you can see the translation  of the 4 Principles, the One Law and 
the Admonition (Be prepared to be surprised) into Thai, contributed by 
Jost Wagner in the spirit of sharing what we learn and produce in the 
ost realm.


4 Principles of Open Space
1.    คนที่ผ่านเข้ามาล้วนแต่เป็นคนที่เหมาะสมทั้งสิ้น
2.    เหตุการณ์ต่าง ๆ ที่เกิดขึ้นล้วนแต่เป็นสิ่งที่จำเป็นต้องเกิด
3.    เวลาที่เริ่มต้น ถือเป็นเวลาที่เหมาะสมทั้งสิ้น
4.    เมื่อมันสิ้นสุดลง ก็คือมันสิ้นสุดลง

One Law
    กฎแห่งเท้าทั้งสอง หรือ กฏแห่งการเคลื่อนที่

Be prepared to be surprised.
    เปิดใจเตรียมพบกับเรื่องแปลกใหม่


Lets share more of this stuff in our various languages (a while back 
there were various attempts to design multiple language  tables, I think 
that  Artur da Silva from Portugal and Lisa Heft were two of those 
involved).


Just in case any of you need the German version (my version), see here:

4 Tatsachen des Lebens
--- Die da sind, sind genau die Richtigen
--- Was auch immer geschieht: Es ist das Einzige, was geschehen konnte
--- Vorbei ist Vorbei... Nicht Vorbei ist nicht Vorbei
--- Es fängt an. wenn die Zeit reif ist

Das Gesetz der zwei Füße

Ermahnung
--- Augen auf! Mit Überraschungen ist zu rechnen!

Shortly after the Maidan, Harrison Owen and and Claudia Gross (she came 
to the European Learning Exchange in Sardinia straight from Egypt in 
2011 and HO from Rome) huddled and came up with a Fifth Principle:


--- Whereever it happens - it is the right place

I did not get around creating a German version (stepped back in 2012).
Someone else probably did it, though.

Have a great day wherever you are

ciao
mmp

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[OSList] Re: looking to connect with OS people in Ireland

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Bhav,

when folks approached me with such a time volume I spoke to them about 
what they could expect with half a day, a full day, two days and three days.
For some reasons, they were not very excited with what I promised them 
with a half day event and in most cases rescheduled and had one day 
events or even more.


Here are two summaries of the various lengths in my practice in 167 
events that I researched back in 2008 or thereabouts


1
Length of open space events

Twenty different lengths and differently structured open space events 
from my practice, sorted by length

• -Morning, 4 hours (9am to 1pm)
• -Afternoon, 4 hours (2pm to 6pm or 3pm to 7pm)
• -Afternoon, 6 hours (2pm to 8pm)
• -Afternoon, 6 hours with reading and supplementary round
• -Full day, 6 hours (10am to 4pm)
• -Full day, 6 hours with reading and supplement round
• -Full day, 8 hours (9am to 5pm)
• -Full day, 8 hours with action planning
• - Whole day, 8 hours with reading and supplement round and action planning
• -A long afternoon and a morning of action planning (15 to 15 p.m.).
20 and 9 to 13)
• -Full day and one morning
• -Whole day and a morning, action planning in the morning
• -Full day and an afternoon with action planning a week later
• -Two days
• -Two days of reading and supplementing rounds over lunchtime on the 
second day and beyond

action planning
• -Afternoon, all day, morning, with reading group and action planning 
at the last

Late morning
• -Afternoon, all day, afternoon with reading session and action 
planning on the last

Afternoon
• -2.5 days with a reading circle and action planning on the last half 
day (full day, full

day and morning)
• -2.5 days with a reading circle and action planning on the last half 
day (full day, full

day and afternoon)
• -2.5 days with reading and supplementary gallery in the evening of the 
second day and

Action planning in the last half day

2
Comparison of a three day and a 2 day event

Length of open space events

Possibilities of a three-day event with 4.5 hours in the afternoon of 
the first day, 8 hours on the second day and 3.5 hours on the third day, 
a total of 16 hours, sleeping twice


compared to a

two-day event with 8.5 hours on the first day and 3.5 hours on the 
second day, a total of 12 hours.
I have facilitated short events of 3.5 hours and such of 16 hours spread 
over 3 days...and everything in between. Looking 167 events accompanied 
by me

I see over 20 variants. All have their justification and
significantly different possibilities.
Urgent, complex and conflicting challenges, to which there are different
positions of the various stakeholders  need more than an afternoon to 
reach robust and sustainable action steps.
Thorough discussions, including a dive into the past (divergent phase) 
and the development of robust, sustainable action steps with concrete 
agreements (converging phase) are possible in a three day event (half 
day, full day and half day, 16 hours total, sleeping twice).


This process allows:
1. Six to seven beginning times for break out sessioons
2. Three circles for all participants to come together to post issues 
(at the beginning, in the evening of the first day and in the morning of the

second day)
3. Two evenings and two nights to process ideas, thoughts and plans
4. Incorporation of posted reports from other break out sessions to get 
suggestions, to see connections and identify opportunities for collaboration
5. Outlook and action space on the third day, including the next step 
for each project.


A relatively small reduction in overall time of 25% from 16 hours, 
distributed over three days, to 12 hours over two days, has the 
following effects:

1. Three to four beginning times for break out sessions (approx. 50% less)
2. Only one time for all participants to come together for posting issues
(67% less)
3. Only one evening and night to process ideas and thoughts (50% less)
4. Reduced inclusion of already published reports from other break out 
sessions, since almost all of the time was spent in the break out 
sessions on the first day
5. Reading all reports from the break out sessions mainly only in the 
reading and augmentation round after the last break out sessions

6. Outlook and action space on the second day, after only one night to
"Digest".

In comparison, this means:

• With three to four break out sessions, participants only have the
half the opportunities to be involved in issues that interest them
• With three to four break out sessions,  participation of individuals 
can decrease to two to three issues if a particular issue requires more 
than one break out session
• If there are three to four break out sessions, the option to skip one 
phase is still there, but with the consequence of only being able to 
take part in two or three break out sessions
• Three to four break out sessions instead of 6 to 7 with 40 issues 
posted by 110 participants, needs 14 break out spaces, seven beginning 
times for break out 

[OSList] Re: looking to connect with OS people in Ireland

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Jo,

feel invited to include yourself in the World Map, too.
Take care
mmp

Am 17.05.2023 um 14:03 schrieb Joe Power:

Bingo. Super stuff Michael. Really appreciate that.
Joe

On Wed, May 17, 2023 at 12:52 PM Michael M Pannwitz 
 wrote:


Dear Joe,

ok, here is a sure fire way finding os colleagues in Ireland and
others that have worked in Ireland:
--- try this link to see Resident os workers in Ireland

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/country/IE

--- underneath the four resident os workers, you will see this note:

Open Space workers from other countries who have also worked in
Ireland (13).

Wish you a great day, a bright future is in sight

cheers
mmp

This fall you should come to this years WOSonOS in Berlin, scroll
down to my signature and click on the WOSonOS link for details.


Am 17.05.2023 um 08:52 schrieb Joe Power via OSList:

Hi there,
Am new to OS (via restorative practice) and would love to connect
with anyone in Ireland or who has done work in Ireland. Held an
online OS this week and have the bug!
Regards
Joe

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[OSList] Re: looking to connect with OS people in Ireland

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Joe,

ok, here is a sure fire way finding os colleagues in Ireland and others 
that have worked in Ireland:

--- try this link to see Resident os workers in Ireland

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/country/IE

--- underneath the four resident os workers, you will see this note:

Open Space workers from other countries who have also worked in Ireland 
(13).


Wish you a great day, a bright future is in sight

cheers
mmp

This fall you should come to this years WOSonOS in Berlin, scroll down 
to my signature and click on the WOSonOS link for details.



Am 17.05.2023 um 08:52 schrieb Joe Power via OSList:

Hi there,
Am new to OS (via restorative practice) and would love to connect with 
anyone in Ireland or who has done work in Ireland. Held an online OS 
this week and have the bug!

Regards
Joe

--

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Céim ar Chéim
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Knockalisheen Road
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[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Tony,

the part of  Re: "Complex Contagions & Behavior Change" I can follow, 
understand.


The part of RE: "8,000,000 Emergent -" puzzles me.
What does it mean in the context of

"8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change" ?

Gimme a hint

mmp

Am 16.04.2023 um 08:18 schrieb Tony Budak via OSList:

*
Summaries on Complex Contagions & Behavior Change*
There are two books by Damon Centola (https://www.damoncentola.com/), 
both of which Tom Woodroof have written summaries of:


 • 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZOK6Hv9i1sM7uPd8Xjk6qbJySapPRnimnErL-0cKl4w/edit#
 • 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1--NlCdnbYu7I1F0Img5iE1afXdnsqo903zf3jnfCkOY/edit#heading=h.qve2gb7t94qm



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[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear John,

well, with your interest and love you just convened a dialogue around 
your question in the space that OSLIST provides.


I wonder if I, not "closely watching our system(s) of interest" and not 
supporting "emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive" 
would be welcome in that breakout session.


Would you continue your dialogue under "8,000,000 Emergent - Complex 
Contagions & Behavior Change"?


Greetings from Berlin
mmp


Am 06.05.2023 um 22:02 schrieb John Warinner via OSList:

H...

I would LOVE to participate in a dialogue around this question:

/*As each of us closely watches our system(s) of interest, and 
supports emerging changes/adaptations that we consider positive, to 
what degree should we introduce our own ideas of where and how the 
system should proceed?*/


Does someone on this thread have the interest and means to convene 
this dialogue?


Thank you!
John

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On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 11:53 AM Tony Budak via OSList 
 wrote:


Hi Harrison,

On 5/6/2023 11:18 AM, Harrison Owen SR via OSList wrote:

My experience is that self organizing systems do very well with
their primary task of adaptation. They get in trouble when we try
to organize them.

Yes I agree

I think there is a middle ground here, however. -- that would be
to watch the system closely and be supportive of system
changes/adaptations that are emerging and are positive. This
would NOT mean introducing our own ideas of where and how the
system should proceed.

Hmm, it seems that always some one or some power will decide
"where and how the system should proceed." The winds of Artificial
Intelligence are blowing

The analogy with sailing is exact I think. No salor creates the
wind. Good sailors ride the winds that blow.

Where is this journey going and why? The winds of Artificial
Intelligence and more are of our own making. "Anthropocentrism
literally means human-centered, but in its most relevant
philosophical form, it is *the ethical belief that humans alone
possess intrinsic value and wisdom to know*." Carol Sandford, The
Modern Anthropocentrism,
https://carolsanford.substack.com/p/the-modern-anthropocentrism
Today's Sailors need a modern compass to find a safe harbor.

In Solidarity,
Tony



Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:42 PM Tony Budak  wrote:

Harrison thank you for sending your thoughts on this thread.
Of course, I agree with you. Yes, OST "sounds good to me" as
well. Yet how can social self-organizing do more?
More Fun - Less Stuff,
Tony

Tony, I am curious about the "research" as it might relate
to OST. MY experience is that it has spread globally in the
most effective way -- self organizing networks. And I am not
at all sure what we might have done differently. Lazy, I
guess, but when something spreads to all continents with
millions of iterations all without a plan or sponsorship.
sounds good to me.

Harrison

On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 12:38 PM Tony Budak via OSList
 wrote:

I agree that OST does not contribute to achieving change
when it comes to building emerging networks of 8,000,000
people.

Social science research on networks suggests that
current OST practices are not effective in increasing
the rate of OST usage. To improve the uptake and
utilization of these practices, we may need to adopt a
more network-informed approach to delivering OST. You
can learn more about this by watching Damon Centola's
talk at https://youtu.be/hFijjJmndG8.

On 5/5/2023 10:21 AM, artfsilvaproton.me
<http://artfsilvaproton.me> via OSList wrote:

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal


Artur

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*À :*Budak, Tony ; OS LIST

*Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
*Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex
Contagions & Behavior Change

Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many
other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they
always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something.
The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand 

[OSList] Fwd: Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Artur,

ok, you made it back to OSLIST.
Next move could be appearing at WOSonOS2023 in Berlin this October.
See here

https://www.wosonos2023.berlin/

A good opportunity for firing up your grill again.

Greetings from Berlin

mmp


Am 05.05.2023 um 16:21 schrieb artfsilvaproton.me via OSList:

Excellent clarification, Michael. Thank you!

Bach to OSLIST, Regards to all from Portugal


Artur

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*Envoyé :*jeudi 4 mai 2023 à 12:51:21 UTC+1
*Objet :*[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & 
Behavior Change


Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for
selforganistion to show up a bit more.

Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all
issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.

Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin

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[OSList] Re: 8,000,000 Emergent - Complex Contagions & Behavior Change

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Tony,

ok, here is one OST worker with an answer:

OST has nothing to do with "achieving change".
However, it has been observed, that change and many other lovely things 
happen both in and after an OST gathering. As they always do, even 
without an OST gathering.
The focus of an OST event is not to promote something. The focus is on 
the experiment that appears to expand time and space for the forces of 
selforganisation to unfold a bit more.
Focusing on a anything else, would reduce the time and space for 
selforganistion to show up a bit more.


Before the event, the facilitator promises the sponsor that with OST all 
issues can be addressed, worked on  and if given enough time also can 
lead to concrete projects. Thats all, we can promise.
Somtimes, I myself also add that OST always works and that many things 
can happen that nobody ever dreamed of.


Have a great day
Greetings from Berlin

Am 03.05.2023 um 22:01 schrieb Tony Budak via OSList:

nteresting that this thread received only one inquiry.

Tom Woodroof  says, "A final important framing (that is implicit in the 
network approach, but which should still be emphasised) is that the book 
investigates collective rather than individual factors in achieving 
change. Although tailoring the messages people are exposed to can be 
effective, influencing social norms and structures can be far more so. 
In the same way that schooling behaviour in fish could never be 
predicted from studying one in isolation, many behavioural diffusion 
phenomena only make sense when complex interdependent social relations 
are understood."


Are there any OST practitioners that have anything to say about 
complimenting OST with the above ideas of collective action and social 
networking?

On 4/20/2023 3:03 AM, Tony Budak via OSList wrote:



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[OSList] Re: Examples from Corporate sector -financial services ideally

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Mara,

I doubt that there is a way to add to credibility other than 
experiencing an OST gathering.


If you want to show your people that it is not new (but certainly 
scary), tell them about the frequent and worldwide use of OST by the 
World Bank.

Here you can see an example

https://openspaceworldscape.org/events/1074-how-do-we-create-a-better-future-the-issues-and-opportunities

back in 2006, facilitated by Nigel Seys-Phillips.

HO already pointed you to Tales from Open Space.
I just looked at it. On page 97 Giles and Robbins Hopkins described 
"Lessons from Open Space at the World Bank", back in 1995. This is a 
good read for all of us.


In case your corporate leaders have a burning business issue that nobody 
seems to have an answer to, they are ready to try stuff that they never 
thought of.

If there is no burning business issue, open space technology is of no use.

By the way, "replying all" is an easy and effective way to get this 
exchange to progress.


Good luck and come to Berlin in October to share your questions at the 
WOSonOS


cheers
mmp



Am 06.04.2023 um 16:55 schrieb Mara Svenne via OSList:


well - it doesn’t seem to let me do anything else but ‘reply all’. I’m 
just trying to find a few: ‘also used by’.. company names to add to 
credibility. I know how to facilitate OST.. just need the ‘credibility 
tick box’ by telling the people at my firm that this is NOT NEW and 
therefore not SCARY.


Most of the examples I found on the OST site were from the health 
sector, or indigenous or community groups - peace summits…. I need 
something that corporate leader types will relate to and see: ‘oh yeah 
- we want that too, ‘cause the other guys have done it too.’


I’ll contact you, Michael.


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[OSList] Re: A little history...

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Dear Harrison,

its stories like yours that bring light into the world.

I remember another story you told in this context about a colleague from 
a famous consulting firm that came up to you and said something like:
"Harrison, if this spreads, practically all consultants would be out of 
jobs!"


Which fits into the saying that says:
"Everyone with a clear head and a good heart can facilitate os events."
I have met a number of folks with a clear head and a good heart 
facilitating an os event without ever having been in a training, maybe 
they had a look at your book. After a while they might have discovered 
that it is pretty simple but not easy and started their career as 
facilitator...


hugs from Berlin
mmp

Am 03.04.2023 um 16:51 schrieb Harrison Owen SR:
Funda -- Interesting question and my answer now is the same as it was 
in Goa -- Most organizations would rather not talk about it for a 
simple reason. If what happened in Open Space actually happened much 
of what they are doing under the heading of management, training, 
organizational development is questionable and maybe worse. For 
example, Boeing Aircraft was the site for some 450 OSTs that I know of 
-- but when I had occasion to visit the OD office, they never heard 
about OST. Seems that the people who facilitated the OS's were all 
managers moving major projects and no help needed. OST could be very 
hazardous to the job health of a lot of people. Best not to spread it 
around. Truthfully nobody has a clue about how many OS's have been 
done. Wild guess might be a million and in some surprising places. For 
example, my daughter who ran  a multi national, multi million dollar 
program in Thailand hired a consultant to put together a three day 
show and tell conference-- the last day was in Open Space. When it was 
all over the consultant approached my daughter to find out her 
reaction, particularly to the Open Space. As they were talking his 
eyes went down to her name tag and he noticed that her name was Owen. 
Embarrassed, he asked, "Are you...?" My daughter said "Yes, he's my 
father."


Harrison

On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 9:09 AM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
 wrote:


Dear Funda,

questions keep the LIST thriving,
I am animated by questions.

Why?
Easy, they are simply fun and further our craft and keep the
spirit expanding.

Post your Goa (2004) question again at our WOSonOS in Berlin later
this year.
They need ongoing reflection.

And here are my questions:

Who knows how often OST is used in the World?
Who has deposited the OST events they facilitated in the Open
Space Worldscape created by 12 facilitators living in Berlin in 2003?

https://openspaceworldscape.org/

Presently, 821 events have been posted in two decades that were
sponsored by 594 organisations and facilitated by Teams with 389
different folks, including 201 pages with 10 items per page
including grand photos such as this one

https://openspaceworldscape.org/resources/1751-021-jpg


and facilitated by 43 different facilitators  that deposited the
events they facilitated, see here

https://openspaceworldscape.org/roles/2-facilitator


Ok, 43 facilitators deposited events they facilitated... and are
there not thousands of us?
There are more than 500 in the World Map, how come there are not
thousands? See here

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/


You posted more questions such as
--- "wait for "Self Organization of the Systems by Itself?""
(do they not selforganize by themselves all the time?)
--- "it has the potential to solve many problems we face today
(that's what I think)"
(is "solving problems" what OST is about?)

Lets have more questions and post them at the WOSonOS in the fall
or wherever they need to be voiced.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp

PS: I would love to see who will be in Berlin at the WOSonOS23.
How about posting your attendance on this LIST? Why? How about
answers to that question.

Ok, here I go.
I signed up, paid the fee, will get housing near the venue so that
I can take a nap wherever and avoid the hilarious activities at my
home about an hour away using public transportation.


Am 03.04.2023 um 12:16 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:

Dear Harrison and OST Colleagues,

This is a great story. However, I ask the same question I had
asked in GOA at WOSONOS
several years ago:

"Why is OST not used more often everywhere in the World? although
it has the potential to solve many problems we face today (that's
what I think)

Are we going to wait for "Self Organization of the Systems by
Itself?"
 Is there anything we could do "more or less"?

Or maybeOST is highly demanded and I am not aware of this.

Have a nice week,
Funda 

[OSList] Re: A little history...

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Funda,

questions keep the LIST thriving,
I am animated by questions.

Why?
Easy, they are simply fun and further our craft and keep the spirit 
expanding.


Post your Goa (2004) question again at our WOSonOS in Berlin later this 
year.

They need ongoing reflection.

And here are my questions:

Who knows how often OST is used in the World?
Who has deposited the OST events they facilitated in the Open Space 
Worldscape created by 12 facilitators living in Berlin in 2003?

https://openspaceworldscape.org/
Presently, 821 events have been posted in two decades that were 
sponsored by 594 organisations and facilitated by Teams with 389 
different folks, including 201 pages with 10 items per page including 
grand photos such as this one

https://openspaceworldscape.org/resources/1751-021-jpg


and facilitated by 43 different facilitators  that deposited the events 
they facilitated, see here

https://openspaceworldscape.org/roles/2-facilitator


Ok, 43 facilitators deposited events they facilitated... and are there 
not thousands of us?
There are more than 500 in the World Map, how come there are not 
thousands? See here

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/


You posted more questions such as
--- "wait for "Self Organization of the Systems by Itself?""
(do they not selforganize by themselves all the time?)
--- "it has the potential to solve many problems we face today (that's 
what I think)"

(is "solving problems" what OST is about?)

Lets have more questions and post them at the WOSonOS in the fall or 
wherever they need to be voiced.


Greetings from Berlin
mmp

PS: I would love to see who will be in Berlin at the WOSonOS23. How 
about posting your attendance on this LIST? Why? How about answers to 
that question.


Ok, here I go.
I signed up, paid the fee, will get housing near the venue so that I can 
take a nap wherever and avoid the hilarious activities at my home about 
an hour away using public transportation.



Am 03.04.2023 um 12:16 schrieb Funda Oral via OSList:

Dear Harrison and OST Colleagues,

This is a great story. However, I ask the same question I had asked in 
GOA at WOSONOS

several years ago:

"Why is OST not used more often everywhere in the World? although
it has the potential to solve many problems we face today (that's what 
I think)


Are we going to wait for "Self Organization of the Systems by Itself?"
 Is there anything we could do "more or less"?

Or maybeOST is highly demanded and I am not aware of this.

Have a nice week,
Funda Oral
https://www.linkedin.com/in/funda-oral-55822159/

Le dim. 2 avr. 2023 à 21:00, Harrison Owen SR via OSList 
 a écrit :


Phelim McDermott just opened a 2 1/2 hour production in NYC which
he calls the "Tao of Glass." You can see a review in the New York
Times. In its world, the production is a triumph. Bravo for
Phelim! But that is not why I am posting this note.

Phelim has always been entranced by the music of Glass -- but that
attraction was enhanced by Phelim's connection to an American 
psychologist, Anarnold Mindell -- who spoke (wrote) at length
about something he called "Deep Democracy." A friend of Arnolds,
and a very early Open Spacer. Anne Stadler, introduced him to Open
Space as a break out of Deep Democracy. Arnie obviously passed
that thought along, and Phelim got hooked. Small World!

Harrison

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[OSList] Re: Global WOSONOS

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Dear Open Space enthusiasts near and far away,

folks or family visiting at birthdays, sitting around the christmas 
tree, neighbors walking by, people at the bus stop and in the bus, 
parents having an eye on their kids on the playground, folks on vacation 
on a wonderful island, a group of friends sitting at a table in a 
restaurant, couples watching Television... many of them neither present 
nor absent in  a mode of perpetually holding on to a gadget being in 
touch with the entire world and everyone...


Gathering in Open Space in the flesh or virtual or in other variations, 
all have their right to exist.
Engaging in all at the same time (one group in a real life setting and 
other individuals or groups in virtual contact engaged in virtual space 
and other manifestations) is less than half the enchilada. Especially a 
mode that os facilitators abhor trying their best to be totally present 
and invisible at the same time...


Prerequisites for the unfolding of the the force of selforganisation are 
a burning issue, a hypercomplex situation, high diversity in the group 
of participants, an urgent need of results since yesterday, challenges 
that nobody by themselve has an answer to. Those prerequisites are also 
necessary for an action orienting Open Space on Open Space taking 16 
hours spread over 3 days with two nights of sleep.
In getting projects on the road that grew in the 3 days, especially 
globally connected ones, need every tool available for managing the 
project, no question...


Regarding the venues for OSonOS events: In the years 2009 through 2017, 
regional "Learning Exchanges" were convened in the OSonOS mode in the 
years in which WOSonOS took place OUTSIDE of Europe.
We met in France/Paris in 2009, then in Italy/Sardinia 2011, in 
Holland/Utrecht in 2013, Spain/San Sebastian in 2016 and Iceland in 
2017. These events were grand for folks that would not travel by plane 
or had limited resources or ...
In the face of climate change and other threats this kind of 
"regionalisation" might be the music of the future, ongoing wherever 
folks feel the time for an OSonOS has come in their neighborhood.

And the WOSonOS no longer in the flesh but global in whatever way.

Greetings from Berlin from an expert colleague that has never been in an 
online event or in a video conference or in the possesion of a cell 
phone (well, this year, my kids forced their 83 year old father to carry 
a cell phone to make calls and a few of them have my cell phone number, 
no one else) eagerly awaits his third WOSonOS in Berlin in the flesh in 
a relaxed mode...


Love and Peace and Health
mmp

PS: Just remembered that I did experience the hybrid variant at the 11th 
WOSonOS in Sweden/Denmark in 2003... I was stunned by the amount of 
effort and time invested in the online part and how busy folks were with 
being connected worldwide... it was then and there that the hybridphobia 
caught me...








Am 20.03.2023 um 16:40 schrieb Hempal Shrestha via OSList:

WoW,

Wonderful, Anyone nearby or willing to come and join the circle in 
Nepal, Let's make it happen and sync with the WoSoNoS and connect our 
virtual seating along with the Virtual/Hybrid Open Space connecting 
all of us together.


An Open Space Enthusiast from Kathmandu, Nepal!

Kind regards,

Hempal Shrestha

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I love the idea of going hybrid with WOSonOS.
Having multiple gatherings around the world - including in-person
WOSonOs
for those that can make it would be a nice experiment and a great
step
ahead of the 8 billion conversations around the world about the world.
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[OSList] Re: Hello Everyone, New to OS

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Audrey, Peggy, Harrison, Jordan and Raynel... and all you others 
out there,


your questions and responses are wonderful and once again a proof of our 
readiness to share experiences and adventures in the realm of 
selforganisation.


Wish you can all make it to the WOSonOS this October in Berlin in 
whatever mode.


Jordan and Raynel, here is a paper on an Open Space project with one 
organisation in Germany (international youth work in Europe) over a ten 
year period, about 20 pages. It is available as an e-paper. It was first 
published in German and then in English, Polski, Francais, Espanol and 
中国人 (Zhōngguó rén), all 6 languages in one booklet  with a preface by 
Harrison Owen.

See here

https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/produkt/practicing-open-space-e-book/
The best way of getting the flavor and mechanics of an OS event is to 
organize one with everyone involved in your OD Program at Bowling. I am 
sure there will be someone near you to facilitate. If you look at the 
Open Space World Map and enter "Ohio"  in the search field you will see 
three seasoned hands that might be tickled to take on such a task:

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/


A great/must read is Harrisons book "Open Space Technology, A User's 
Guide" (Third Edition), published by  Berrett-Koehler.


Have a great Day.
Greetings from Berlin
mmp

Am 19.03.2023 um 22:20 schrieb Audrey Hepburn via OSList:


Very Very welcom to New to OS：

Here is the Case Study：

* "Opportunities and Challenges in the Implementation of a Five-Year 
Strategy for a Medical Company" Open Space Meeting*


Pain points for a publicly traded company after 18 years of 
entrepreneurship:


When facing a significant increase in performance targets, 
organizational development needs to keep up with the demand for 
increased performance. For example, the ability of personnel and 
recruitment speed may not keep up with organizational development.


External market changes require new adaptive strategies. For example, 
US trade sanctions and increased demands for the medical industry in 
China, how to prepare in advance to adapt to external market 
strategies is urgent.


Pressure and internal friction during execution: goal consensus, but 
clashes in executing strategies, clashes between old and new concepts, 
how to improve execution efficiency and increase acceptance of 
decisions, thereby enhancing the overall execution ability of the company.


*Solution:*

After interviewing the chairman, it was discovered that the chairman 
has a very deep consideration for the future and has a great 
expectation for the team to break through together. He is concerned 
about the challenges and risks in the execution of "strategy 
implementation." Due to the change in theme, the meeting time was 
adjusted.


The workshop was adjusted from the original 4 hours to 12 hours, and 
73 participants, including executives and sales directors, discussed 
24 topics and 10 action plans.


*Workshop summary:*

High efficiency: Participants discussed 24 core topics related to 
strategy implementation for 12 hours, which they themselves 
contributed, and voted on urgent and important action items, forming a 
consensus.


Problems that had not been solved for years were solved on the spot, 
and some participants brought out gauze products for multi-party 
communication.


Each person had a clear target when they arrived; when they left, they 
had a clear understanding of what they needed to do in the future and 
how to contribute their ideas. The sales manager of the northern 
region said, "The first thing I will do when I go back is to stop and 
think about my work for a day, instead of just knowing how to pull the 
cart every day." Everyone is confident about the goals for the next 
five years.


*Follow-up: In 18 years, the company only achieved a total of 2 
billion yuan in revenue, and there was no breakthrough in the first 
year of going public. After the open space workshop, their sales in 
2020 reached 10 billion yuan.*


*Insights: *Many people think that the reason why this case is so 
successful is due to the COVID-19 pandemic and the company's 
production of masks. It cannot be denied that this is one of the most 
important reasons. The problem is that among so many pharmaceutical 
companies, why only this company seized the opportunity? The reason is 
simple. The 73 executives reached a consensus on the opportunities and 
challenges of achieving 4 billion yuan in sales in five years in the 
open space strategic workshop, and each executive was clear about 
their role and responsibilities, reducing internal communication 
friction and finding a path to achieve the 4 billion yuan target.


*Impact on Audrey: *This project greatly inspired me. I was originally 
going to wait five years to see the results, but in just one year, I 
saw the power of open space technology. It also prompted me to want to 
*translate "Wave Rider" a*s soon as possible because I hope that more 

[OSList] Re: Hello! New to OS List

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Raynel,

welcome to OSLIST, a great space to connect and to post questions.
Another special space will be the 29th Worldwide Open Space on Open 
Space  (WOSonOS) gathering this year in Berlin, Germany.

Jazz would be a wonderful component!

Here is a link to Open Space on Open Space on openspaceworld.org

https://openspaceworld.org/wp2/osonos/

with info on the Berlin event

https://www.wosonos2023.berlin/


At each of the 9 OSonOS (later WOSonOS) I participated in sessions on
"What have been some of your most impactful experiences with Open Space 
Technology?"

... an impacting experience in themselves.

At the 6th OSonOS (thats what we called those events at that time) in 
1998 in Monterey it was the double rainbow above the Pacific that 
appeared when we talked about  "Open Space Worldwide"... which 
eventually became "WOSonOS".


And in my work as an Open Space facilitator I experienced something I 
could never "explain" that still impacts me:
In an event with 40 kids aged 9 to 14 coming from 3 different 
after-school care centers in Berlin back in 2000 they left the space one 
after another after having posted their issues on the "bulletin board". 
After everything was posted they heard me ring my temple bells and 
returned to the space for the "market place" at which everyone chose 
issues to work on. Without any hesitation and not having been present 
when issues were posted they ran up to the bulletin board and selected 
issues they wanted to work on... as if they had been present all the time.


Later we discovered that they preferred to be on the playground at the 
venue and also were attracted to the buffet that had been set up for 
them in the hallway.
How on earth  were they able to fully stay in the space being in 
different spaces?


Greetings from Berlin
mmp


Am 19.03.2023 um 01:17 schrieb Raynel Frazier via OSList:


Hello,

My name is Raynel Frazier, I am a doctoral student in Organization 
Development and Change at Bowling Green State University and live and 
work in New York City. I am currently taking a class on collaborative 
change and am very interested in connecting with the Open Space 
Technology Community. Some background on me:


I am a trombonist and got my undergraduate degree in jazz performance. 
I worked as a professional musician for a while before starting my 
career in nonprofit arts. As an arts administrator my experience is 
mostly at at large nonprofit arts institutions as a concert programmer 
(booking artists in various venues), worked as a tour manager 
(traveling on national and international tours), and am currently a 
programs producer at a new arts venue/incubator. In my current role I 
work closely with the leadership team as we develop the systems, 
infrastructure, culture, and programs for this new organization. I am 
curious to learn more about Open Space Technology and how it can be 
applied to my work at this new arts nonprofit.


What have been some of your most impactful experiences with Open Space 
Technology?


If anyone who has been working with Open Space Technology has time, I 
would love to connect.


Thanks!
Raynel

raynelfraz...@gmail.com


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[OSList] Peace and Health in Moldavia for Ukrainian guests

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

  
  
Dear brothers and sisters, neigbors, colleagues, friends... near and
afar,

just saw the documentary Bhav Patel sent me on the response of the
Moldovian people hosting Ukrainians leaving their country.

Have a look yourself, I was stunned and captured
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nicQGPC5K5I


Practicing Peace in a torn world.

Greetings from Berlin
mmp


 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff:     30min Documentary
Datum:     Fri, 3 Mar 2023 12:31:44 +0100
Von:     Bhavesh Patel 
An:     Bhavesh Patel 


Dear Friends,

Hope you are all well.

This is a short documentary, 30min, about Moldova's response during
the first few months of the war, and the way everyday people
responded to the humanitarian emergency: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nicQGPC5K5I


You were part of that response.


Smiles Bhav...






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[OSList] The Practice of Peace as e-book

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

  
  
Dear Peacemakers,

in May of 2022 we began to produce the e-book version of "The
Practice of Peace" by Harrison Owen.
There were plenty of glitches and plenty of work. All fun.
And now it is available. Works on all gadgets. Bibliography and some
internet sources compiled in the Appendix.
And here is a note on page 4 of the book:

"Why now and why an e-book version of The Practice of Peace?
Stunned by war raging in Ukraine and raging in many other places on
planet earth with ensuing famines, one hundred million refugees and
other crises, the demand for the book rose. Human Systems Dynamics
Institute that published the second edition in 2004 reported that it
was out of print. Both Harrison Owen and the Institute gave green
light for a quick e-book version of this edition.
Other drivers to publish it again were the following sentences in
the invitation to a Practicing Peace event in 2005:  
“Peace and peacemaking often are thought to be the special preserve
of diplomats and professional negotiators, but Peace is too
important to leave to the professionals. It is everybody’s business.
Furthermore, when we have to call in the professionals, that is
clear and certain evidence that we (all of us) have not been doing
our job. Peacemaking is an everywhere, every day, every person job.”
That’s why!”

I know this book will keep unfolding our natural desire to be
Peacemakers and hone our skills for peacemaking which, indeed is an
everywhere, every day, every person job.

It is available here:
https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/produkt/the-practice-of-peace-e-book/

Greetings from Berlin and enjoy this day wherever you are and follow
what has heart and meaning to you

mmp



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[OSList] Re: OST without credit?

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear James,

ignore it, is my first reaction.

If they use a term such as "brainstorm topics" they have already diluted 
the approach. Brainstormng is a wonderful activity but in an ost event 
"issues" is the name of the game.


When I google open space or ost in the German language section I see an 
endless string of  all kinds of open space approaches that make no 
reference to the source, some do, however.


Keep ignoring it, is my second reaction.

Getting back to Harrison, here is what he says in the Preface to the 
Third Edition:


"From the very beginning we all understood that Open Space Technology is 
free. Nobody owns it; it has never been patented or trademarked, nor 
will it ever be. But there is a cost and an expectation - that we will 
share what we are learning...".


Lets focus on sharing what we are learning and nudge others to also chip in.
Our OSLIST is one of those spaces where we can do that.
And our gatherings at the WOSonOS, at regional and local OSonOS and 
Learning Exchanges and...
Don't forget the Stammtisch gatherings, great places to share and eat 
and imbibe.
Our next one in Berlin will be on January 9 (actually our Stammtisch is 
on the first Monday of every odd month... in this case, our regular 
space to gather is closed on January 2nd).
Our last regular one this year was two days ago (old hands at this stuff 
such as Jo and Funda attended).
So, if you are in town on January 9, 2023 simply show up at 7pm with 
open end right here

https://www.kreuzberger-weltlaterne.com/?lang=en
And jot down October 18 through 21, 2023 for the WOSonOS in Berlin. I 
hear a preliminary invitation with more details is being worked on.


I plan to be there and am bent on coming even if I have wound up in a 
wheelchair (back in 2002 I facilitated a three day ost event in a 
wheelchair with an Achilles tendon rupture. There I learned what it 
means to be at the same level with the participants looking straight 
into 54 pairs of eyes circling the circle: It was wonderful).


Have a great day and share what you learned in the last os event you 
facilitated or hosted or attended ... one of the questions in this 
context used to be: Did you find one less thing to do?


Greetings from Berlin
mmp

PS: You are invited to include yourself in the Open Space World Map so 
that I can look at your picture while I write this note and can also 
spot you when you turn up at the Stammtisch next January or at the 
WOSonOS next year and see where you live and have a look at your website...

Simply click here to get started:

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion


Am 08.11.2022 um 22:32 schrieb James Sheldon via OSList:

Hi folks,

There’s a local event that is very obviously using OST (law of two 
feet, brainstorm topics, etc) but doing it under their own brand 
name.  I know it is Harrison’s wish not to make it proprietary and 
that it’s free for everyone to use, but something rubs me the wrong 
way about not at least an acknowledgement that you’ve borrowed someone 
else’s system?


I was curious how folks have dealt with this / what your thoughts were?


Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
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[OSList] Re: OSList::Action Planning in Online/Offline OS 2022

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Hm, tell me what
"It allows a cypher to chit away"
means.
And are you Chris or Chad?

Just gained an hour since we switched to winter time.
If I had not gained it, I would not have had the time to attend to this 
issue.


Have a great day and enjoy the extra hour  if it exists in your 
territory (you could use it to include yourself in the Open Space World 
Map joining another 507 os workers on this planet)

https://www.openspaceworldmap.org/inclusion


Greetings from Berlin

mmp
Am 30.10.2022 um 04:12 schrieb C. Fuller via OSList:
no, no. Dynamic Governance/Sociocracy is 'consenting to' rather than 
consensus. It allows a cypher to chit away, in the background, rather 
than actively engage.  Look at the nature of the community the two 
largest proponents live in (Cherry Hill Co-Ho). It shows that it 
really does not build community.  The subscribed organization 
structure is fair to midlen but the decision making process is 
exclusionary. One man's opinion (but I'm not alone).  With apologies 
(but earnestness),

- -Chad
Consultations:
Organization Development / Community Development
Networker

-Original Message-
From: Funda Oral via OSList 
To: Michael M Pannwitz ; Diana Larsen 
; Tony Budak 

Cc: OS LIST 2022 
Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2022 2:48 am
Subject: [OSList] Re: Action Planning in Online/Offline OS 2022

Dear Diana,

As far as I understand, Open Space Technology approach is closer to 
*Holacracy *"https://www.holacracy.org/; then to *Sociocracy*.
Hopefully, all these approaches and methods lead to and complete each 
other for a better collaboration.


Have a nice weekend!

Funda

Michael M Pannwitz via OSList , 29 Eki 2022 Cmt, 
00:45 tarihinde şunu yazdı:



Dear Diane,

no doubt, different approaches with different unique
characteristics do exist.
And I assume that co-existance of different approaches with
different unique characteristics might be fun and productive.

My experience with very large complex systems (such as an entire
inner city neighborhood in Berlin) is that they can benefit from
different approaches.
A future search that took place after a year long planning
process produced a variety of projects people were heavily
involved in... including close cooperation between diverse
groups/interests.
Against this background, an OST event that needed just one 3.5
hour Planning Session took place a few months after the Future
Search having the characteristics of a "next meeting".

And, as you probably remember,  the ost event I facilitated for a
company with a staff of 35 who work with agile worked fine as
usual, including two next meetings in the weeks following the ost
event.

What I never experienced are hybrids such as an openspace-future
search, or an agile-openspace

I did experience, however, that the yearly gatherings of future
search facilitators were conducted in open space (I was part of
this in Philadelphia, Stockholm and facilitated one on the Island
of Jersey). The future search folks had developed impressive
approaches in the aspect of "getting the whole system in the
roome". Which meant, that the participants of those Learning
Exchanges were not only facilitators but also clients (companies,
government agencies, foundations and what have you), researchers,
authors...
Something we never achieved to any significant extent in our
WOSonOS gatherings or the OS Learning Exchanges in Europe.

How about our next WOSonOS in Berlin in 12 months?
Would be an opportunity of having more divergence and more of the
whole system in the room... imagine every one of us attending
would bring along one client or other different critters...

Wishing us all a weekend of our liking
mmp




Am 28.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb Diana Larsen:

And the two can co-exist quite nicely, as in Company-wide
Agility book by John Buck (sociocracy author) and Jutta Eckstein.


Company-wide Agility with Beyond Budgeting, Open Space &
Sociocracy: Survive & Thrive on Disruption

<https://smile.amazon.com/Company-wide-Agility-Beyond-Budgeting-Sociocracy-ebook/dp/B0841298GC/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8=1666976094=8-1>
smile.amazon.com

<https://smile.amazon.com/Company-wide-Agility-Beyond-Budgeting-Sociocracy-ebook/dp/B0841298GC/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8=1666976094=8-1>


<https://smile.amazon.com/Company-wide-Agility-Beyond-Budgeting-Sociocracy-ebook/dp/B0841298GC/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8=1666976094=8-1>

Diana


eo.de <http://eo.de/>


Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
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[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Diane,

no doubt, different approaches with different unique characteristics 
do exist.
And I assume that co-existance of different approaches with different 
unique characteristics might be fun and productive.


My experience with very large complex systems  (such as an entire 
inner city neighborhood in Berlin) is that they can benefit from 
different approaches.
A future search that took place after a year long planning process 
produced a variety of projects people were heavily involved in... 
including close cooperation between diverse groups/interests.
Against this background, an OST event that needed just one 3.5 hour 
Planning Session took place a few months after the Future Search 
having the characteristics of a "next meeting".


And, as you probably remember,  the ost event I facilitated for a 
company with a staff of 35 who work with agile worked fine as usual, 
including two next meetings in the weeks following the ost event.


What I never experienced are hybrids such as an openspace-future 
search, or an agile-openspace


I did experience, however, that the yearly gatherings of future search 
facilitators were conducted in open space (I was part of this in 
Philadelphia, Stockholm and facilitated one on the Island of Jersey). 
The future search folks had developed impressive approaches in the 
aspect of "getting the whole system in the roome". Which meant, that 
the participants of those Learning Exchanges were not only 
facilitators but also clients (companies, government agencies, 
foundations and what have you), researchers, authors...
Something we never achieved to any significant extent in our WOSonOS 
gatherings or the OS Learning Exchanges in Europe.


How about our next WOSonOS in Berlin in 12 months?
Would be an opportunity of having more divergence and more of the 
whole system in the room... imagine every one of us attending would 
bring along one client or other different  critters...


Wishing us all a weekend of our liking
mmp




Am 28.10.2022 um 18:57 schrieb Diana Larsen:
And the two can co-exist quite nicely, as in Company-wide Agility 
book by John Buck (sociocracy author) and Jutta Eckstein.



Company-wide Agility with Beyond Budgeting, Open Space & Sociocracy: 
Survive & Thrive on Disruption 

smile.amazon.com 





Diana


eo.de



Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
+49 30 7728000mmpannw...@posteo.de
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[OSList] Re: Action Planning in Online/Offline OS 2022

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Tony,

the first sentence in the wikipedia entry is

"Sociocracy is a theory of governance that seeks to create 
psychologically safe environments and productive organizations."


OST focuses on expanding time and space for the unfolding of the forces 
of  selforganisation.

It is not interested nor attached to any outcome.

However, what regularly  happens in OST events are such things as 
creating safe environments, productive organisations and many other 
things. These are then felt to be the aim of ost events. Wrong. Stuff 
like that evolves because there is no other goal than the one postulated.


cheers
mmp

Am 28.10.2022 um 17:46 schrieb Tony Budak:


Hi Michael,

Love the way you shared your thinking and wrote here below. Thank you.

Would you kindly share any insights regards 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociocracy


Thanks again and again,
Tony

On 10/28/2022 7:12 AM, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList wrote:

Dear Tonnie,

in your email of October 23 you wrote:
"We tried to translate the steps from an offline environment to an 
online one..."


Looking at the document I noticed that you used "voting" in the 
Action Planning part.


Way back, when actively working as a facilitator (more than a decade 
ago) I also used "voting".

However, I used the word "weighing" (gewichten, in German).
I was an old hand outfittet with many voting tools in my prior 3 
decades as an OD consultant (took me a long time to work myself out 
of the OD mode).
Keeping a close eye on everything that took place in the os events we 
noticed that "voting" along the line of
"what you think is most important to work out in action plans" often 
led to the "odd" behavior that the most important item was not worked on.
After a while and being aware that "voting" is a statistical approach 
we felt that the most important aspect would be what took place at 
the beginning of an os when posting issues: Heart and meaning, 
passion and responsibility.


So we decided to simply have Action Planning in open space mode.
This meant that on the last half day (usually on Day 3 of an open 
space), participants met in the circle and posted "projects" they 
wanted to work on. Oddly enough, some of the projects posted 
apparently had no direct connection to what had happended in the 
divergent part (the first two days). (Maybe encouraged by one of my 
comments in the beginning such as "Divergence was in the last two 
days, now the focus is on projects that I am passionatly interested 
in and will be responible for")
Since this approach worked beautifully and was always a dynamic and 
intensive way of  getting into the action-oriented nature of os 
events we decided to put "voting" or "weighing" into the box labeled 
"one less thing to do".


In November of 2013 I had the privilege to co-facilitate the Action 
Planning phase of the 3-day European Learning Exchange in Utrecht 
convened by Frank Little (hi there).


Nobody has done what is called "research" on this and much other 
strange stuff that happens in os. And I think thats perfectly ok, 
knowing that what works is important and being aware that at least I 
will never understand the mysteries of  systems and the force of 
selforganisation. Every time we closely watch the prerequisites for 
having an open space event including all other experimentally tested 
aspects of our craft, it works perfectly.
All the events that did not work that I heard of or was part of, were 
not sufficiently close enough to duplicate the effect of the tested 
experiment (missing even one of the prerequisites or trying to get 
ost working on a  wicked "business issue" within one day where 
actually 3 days were required or not having enough of the system in 
the room... ).


And at this point I usually tell the story of sometimes meeting folks 
on the public transportation system in Berlin staring at me and 
suddenly bursting out with "open space". When we figured out which 
open space the other passenger meant and where it took place and what 
it was all about, I would ask what took place after the event. 
Invariably, folks told me things that I could in no way connect to 
the os, not even after looking at the documentations that I collected 
in my archives.

Yes, I knew it was the ripple effect, completely beyond any control.
Well, the old admonition "never delude yourself to be in control" 
(never delude yourself in understanding complex systems) pops up.


I invite you to try the "Action Space" approach in one of your next 
online events.


The script you can find on pages 168 to 175 of the book Meine open 
space Praxis

https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis-E-Book
https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis


Frank Little might have an English version of the "Action Space"

[OSList] Action Planning in Online/Offline OS 2022

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear Tonnie,

in your email of October 23 you wrote:
"We tried to translate the steps from an offline environment to an 
online one..."


Looking at the document I noticed that you used "voting" in the Action 
Planning part.


Way back, when actively working as a facilitator (more than a decade 
ago) I also used "voting".

However, I used the word "weighing" (gewichten, in German).
I was an old hand outfittet with many voting tools in my prior 3 decades 
as an OD consultant (took me a long time to work myself out of the OD mode).
Keeping a close eye on everything that took place in the os events we 
noticed that "voting" along the line of
"what you think is most important to work out in action plans" often led 
to the "odd" behavior that the most important item was not worked on.
After a while and being aware that "voting" is a statistical approach we 
felt that the most important aspect would be what took place at the 
beginning of an os when posting issues: Heart and meaning, passion and 
responsibility.


So we decided to simply have Action Planning in open space mode.
This meant that on the last half day (usually on Day 3 of an open 
space), participants met in the circle and posted "projects" they wanted 
to work on. Oddly enough, some of the projects posted apparently had no 
direct connection to what had happended in the divergent part (the first 
two days). (Maybe encouraged by one of my comments in the beginning such 
as "Divergence was in the last two days, now the focus is on projects 
that I am passionatly interested in and will be responible for")
Since this approach worked beautifully and was always a dynamic and 
intensive way of  getting into the action-oriented nature of os events 
we decided to put "voting" or "weighing" into the box labeled "one less 
thing to do".


In November of 2013 I had the privilege to co-facilitate the Action 
Planning phase of the 3-day European Learning Exchange in Utrecht 
convened by Frank Little (hi there).


Nobody has done what is called "research" on this and much other strange 
stuff that happens in os. And I think thats perfectly ok, knowing that 
what works is important and being aware that at least I will never 
understand the mysteries of  systems and the force of selforganisation. 
Every time we closely watch the prerequisites for having an open space 
event including all other experimentally tested aspects of our craft, it 
works perfectly.
All the events that did not work that I heard of or was part of, were 
not sufficiently close enough to duplicate the effect of the tested 
experiment (missing even one of the prerequisites or  trying to get ost 
working on a  wicked "business issue" within one day where actually 3 
days were required or not having enough of the system in the room... ).


And at this point I usually tell the story of sometimes meeting folks on 
the public transportation system in Berlin staring at me and suddenly 
bursting out with "open space". When we figured out which open space the 
other passenger meant and where it took place and what it was all about, 
I would ask what took place after the event. Invariably, folks told me 
things that I could in no way connect to the os, not even after looking 
at the documentations that I collected in my archives.

Yes, I knew it was the ripple effect, completely beyond any control.
Well, the old admonition "never delude yourself to be in control" (never 
delude yourself in understanding complex systems) pops up.


I invite you to try the "Action Space" approach in one of your next 
online events.


The script you can find on pages 168 to 175 of the book Meine open space 
Praxis

https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis-E-Book
https://www.westkreuz-verlag.de/de/Meine-open-space-Praxis


Frank Little might have an English version of the "Action Space" that 
was recordet at the European Learning Exchange in Utrecht back in 
2013... there were 20 participants from Finland, Germany, Italy, 
Netherlands and Poland.

Hi to you all just in case you kept reading up to this point.


Have a great day and lets talk more at the WOSonOS in Berlin next year
mmp



Michael M Pannwitz
Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin
+49 30 7728000mmpannw...@posteo.de
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