Re: [expert] Which Mandrake to Buy?
Ricardo (Tru64 User) wrote: OK, the consesus seems to be buying Mandrake Club membership, and most ppl prefer the download edition. (mandrake, maybe dont spend too much time making all those other editions...) I am just hoping Mandrake wont drop the ball on the downloaded edition, and stop offering updates, like Redhat did (kind-off)...thus only supporting the paid for editions. Thanks all for the quick replies.I got my three CD's downloaded in under 40mins over the weekend. Suprisingly, the chelo site in Switzerland is amazingly faster than all other many other mirrors I have used located in the USI being located in the US! Something speedy about transatlantic cables? --- Lawson, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think 120 a year is high. I would like to see this at 80. -Original Message- From: Greg Meyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Which Mandrake to Buy? On Monday 17 November 2003 11:43 am, Ricardo (Tru64 User) wrote: I have always done with 8.2. Basically same Freedom, but not Free ($0.00) We all understand the process consumes money! If all you want to do is contribute financially, continue to use the download edition and buy a Club membership. Highest profit margin plus you get access to all the Commercial software included in PowerPack (except Win4Lin and VMware trials) for download. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree You don't have to worry about Mandrake not offering the updates for the download edition, like some other distros. It's the same update process whether you have the download addition or any of the other editions. Mandrake doesn't have a subscription based update system. Updates are freely available to all. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Enabling a Laptop Touch Pad
Rob Blomquist wrote: When I loaded 9.0 onto my Dell Inspiron 3200, I did not connect the mouse, and the touch pad was working perfectly. Now that I have plugged in a mouse to the system, the mouse works fine, but the touch pad is a crazy clicking monster if the mouse is not plugged in, and I would like to use this laptop on the bus to work and so on, so the touch pad is a must. Now, is it possible to use either interchangeably? But the bottom line is getting the touch pad to work. How do I do that? What mouse setting do I need in XF86 or Harddrake? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com If I recall (and it's quite possible that I don't), 9.0 XFree86 had a problem when changing mice, where the mouse would go crazy. Hitting CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE, restarted the xserver and fixed it. Of course, I could be imagining that whole thing, so YMMV. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Is there OpenOffice 1.1 RPM for mandrake 9.0?
Gary Hodder wrote: OpenOffice.org1.1.0 installs beautifully like this:- Untar it where you like then become root cd into /whereyouhaveit/install Then as root # ./install -prefix=/usr/lib Then go back to being user and $ cd /usr/lib/OpenOffice.org1.1.0 if that is the directory that OO has created. then $ ./setup Follow the prompts. Works a treat. Well I just got mdk 9.2 and installed Openoffice.org1.1.0 as above and it would freeze on opening any openoffice file. Removed it and installed the rpm from the 9.2, some thing freezes. This happened to 9.1 as well, no version of OO would run after installing 1.1.0. The os was rather unstable after that as thing like mozilla would crash/freeze for no reason. Looks like its another reinstall... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com did you try removing or renaming the .openoffice directory in your home directory? Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
Olaf Marzocchi wrote: At 00.02 19/10/2003, you wrote: On Saturday 18 October 2003 22:27, Olaf Marzocchi wrote: Ok, but I have to wait until 9.2 will be available for everyone. Olaf It already is and has been all along..check the mirrors. It's only the 9.2 iso's that aren't available allover (yet). But I don't have an hi-speed coection to install the sys via ftp... I NEED the ISOs... I could even create my ISOs with MakeCD, but Joeb in another thread said he had dependency problems... so I wait until ISOs are available. Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I did have dependency problems, but the CDs were made and boot and install. It looks like most of the dependency issues were with apache2 (which I'm not running, anyway). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Building ISOs with MakCD
I've downloaded the 9.2 tree and I am attempting to build the ISO images with MakeCD. Using the commands in the README.MakeCD, the ISOs are all created, but there are a lot packages that give dependency errors and are left out. Also, I notice that the descriptions for the ISOs all refer to Cooker-Download 1 (2,3,4,etc). I'm wondering if what is out on the servers is really 9.2 or is it a cooker snapshot?Also, there is a i586/misc/doc directory that looks like it has a configuration file for 9.2, but I can't figure out how to use it. Since it takes a long time to build the ISOs, trial and error becomes very frustrating. So, has anyone else tried building the ISOs with MakeCD? Joeb p.s. if/when I get this to work, with all of the wrinkles out, I'll post it to the twiki. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 start menu hosed after installing Moz 1.4
D. R. Evans wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Oct 2003 at 8:49, Greg Sarsons wrote: Noted this before ... What I've done, there might be another way, is to run MCC. It the select System and select MenuDrake. There is no MCC any more (no System menu) :-( Is there a way to run MCC from the CLI? (Well, there must be, but I don't know how :-) ) Doc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 -- QDPGP 2.70 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBP5FW22nXrLw2KRK4EQJxHwCg6ywsiy0LUgUlw66SVqfo/vkIjQ8AoNGE OnjdGQkxLEZ/nyfhlMXe2rHg =t5Sg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com To run mcc from the command line, open a terminal window and type su and then enter the root password. You should get a pound sign (#) as a prompt. Then type mcc and press enter. If your goal is to run mcc to rebuild your menus, then you could just type menudrake and press enter. Once menudrake loads, hit the save button and your menus will be back. Evidently, this is a bug and will be fixed with one of the updates. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 start menu hosed after installing Moz 1.4
D. R. Evans wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Oct 2003 at 8:18, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Type mcc. Hmmm... I just discovered that I can't get a terminal -- since there's no terminal on the menu either! And opening one using ctrl-alt-Fn doesn't work, because then I can't run X - - - so I can't run a graphical program. Doc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 -- QDPGP 2.70 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBP5FdTmnXrLw2KRK4EQJRfQCfT+EGW/NoacDuDBU3/8wDL00mSgkAnj/g 7sqYDdlsScUwxCXh0SS+ZI8C =MAS4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com If you aren't in X, then you should already have a command line, either log in as root or if you are already logged in, type su and enter the root password. From there, you can type mcc. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.2 start menu hosed after installing Moz 1.4
Joeb wrote: D. R. Evans wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 18 Oct 2003 at 8:18, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Type mcc. Hmmm... I just discovered that I can't get a terminal -- since there's no terminal on the menu either! And opening one using ctrl-alt-Fn doesn't work, because then I can't run X - - - so I can't run a graphical program. Doc -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0 -- QDPGP 2.70 Comment: http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html iQA/AwUBP5FdTmnXrLw2KRK4EQJRfQCfT+EGW/NoacDuDBU3/8wDL00mSgkAnj/g 7sqYDdlsScUwxCXh0SS+ZI8C =MAS4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com If you aren't in X, then you should already have a command line, either log in as root or if you are already logged in, type su and enter the root password. From there, you can type mcc. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com ignore this post. I thought you ment that X wasn't running at all. You could just do the ctrl-alt-F1 and su and enter the root password and type: update-menus -v Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Building ISOs with MakeCD
Charlie M. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 October 18, 2003 09:03 am, Joeb wrote: I've downloaded the 9.2 tree and I am attempting to build the ISO images with MakeCD. Using the commands in the README.MakeCD, the ISOs are all created, but there are a lot packages that give dependency errors and are left out. Also, I notice that the descriptions for the ISOs all refer to Cooker-Download 1 (2,3,4,etc). I'm wondering if what is out on the servers is really 9.2 or is it a cooker snapshot?Also, there is a i586/misc/doc directory that looks like it has a configuration file for 9.2, but I can't figure out how to use it. Since it takes a long time to build the ISOs, trial and error becomes very frustrating. So, has anyone else tried building the ISOs with MakeCD? Joeb p.s. if/when I get this to work, with all of the wrinkles out, I'll post it to the twiki. Hi Joe; In this part of the development cycle cooker as frozen for release is 9.2, 9.2 is cooker to all intents and purposes. The script used to generate the ISOs is slightly different but the packages are basically the same. The only ISOs I've generated are from my local cooker mirror and are called Cooker Download after generation, but after install the boot splash identifies it as 9.2 Download edition. If you're impatient for the release you could try that, I don't know if it will work still since I did this before rsync started actually pulling new packages. In other words when cooker was still frozen. Have you run gendistrib yet? I believe that's used to clean the trees before building ISOs but I could be wrong. I'm sure there are notes about it on the TWiki (cooker). http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/CookerHowTo#Running_gendistrib There are links and mini how-tos from that page to MakeCD and other tidbits. Personally I think I'll wait for the 7 disk Power Pack from the Mandrake Store. Disks only, no support, no manuals etc. But not for this box. It stays cooked. http://www.mandrakestore.com/mdkinc/index.php?PAGE=tab_6/menu_1.phpid_art=346LANG_=en#GOTO_346 That link will probably wrap. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 13:49:56 up 28 days, 3:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 I owe the government $3400 in taxes. So I sent them two hammers and a toilet seat. -- Michael McShane -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/kZ18G11CaRuZZSIRAjQtAKCaLPomkCb9mwTpgkCKE3My+TMCygCgoMj9 0kblIwlOma81Q57DvC21nF0= =SvRg -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I'll probably wait for the power pack, too. I was just curious as to how to do it. The CDs I made, did boot, but I didn't try installing because of all of the dependency errors (most of them in apach2, but there were others, too, like gdm). My real reason to try was that I have a high speed connection from work, but not home. But the work connection does work with BitTorrent. So, I could ftp the 9.2 tree down and I thought I would build my own ISOs. Like I said, the process was pretty smooth (although lengthy) and I ended up with 8 CDs (I included contrib, too). But, with all of those dependency errors, I didn't want to risk screwing something up (my test linux box is temporarily in production). In reality, downloading the tree and running MakeCD was not significantly more work that ftp'ing ISOs. Oh well, the powerpack should be shipping in the next two weeks! Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] VMWare and Win4Lin included in 9.2
Does anyone have any info on the VMWare and Win4Lin that is included with the boxed sets of 9.2? Specifically, are they functional demos, full function apps, etc.? Also, what about the licensing? Is it just the app that is included and a $399 license still needs to be purchased (at least for VMWare)? Just curious. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos...
I don't think it violates the GPL because it is available freely for download. My original complaint was that unlike some of the other packages that were included, the kernel source is pretty important and should have been included. If space was the problem, then maybe the enterprise and smp kernels could have been left off of the 3CD download set as many more people need the kernel source than either of those kernels. Not to say that they aren't important, but it would make more sense that since an enterprise or smp class machine can boot from the standard kernel, then those two kernels could have been on the powerpack CD or downloaded. Joeb -Original Message- From: Praedor Atrebates [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Oct 16, 2003 11:41 AM To: Mandrake Expert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] Missing kernel source from 9.2 isos... -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Err, in following this thread my first thought is: isn't not supplying the kernel source technically a violation of GPL? The HAVE to supply the source and should make allowances (reductions in certain packages) if it is not possible to put the source on one of the official distro CDs. Kernel source is critical for many reasons, not leastwise to comply with GPL. praedor - -- Our ship is in the hands of pilots who are steering directly under full sail for a rock. The whole crew may see this course to violate our liberties in full view if they look the right way. - --Samuel Adams, 1771 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/jsowaKr9sJYeTxgRAh8WAKCOIDlJUS5C3yGOQAQcPbSUgkvtLACfUubB IS5qfJ4ABPseslD87RmTwXQ= =fXZN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Wouldn't it make more sense to leave out some of the documentation (kernel docs are there 3 times, apache twice and lots of other stuff). Maybe we don't need all of those kernels on the CDs, there are quite a few now. Without the kernel source, you can't compile NVidia drivers or winmodem drivers or other sources that require the kernel headers! Not everybody has a high speed internet connection, so the simple solution of urpmi doesn't work for something as important as a the kernel headers/sources. We're not talking 100s of megabytes, just 40MB. IIRC, the kernel sources were included with the betas and release candidates, so if they could fit then, why not now. Also, isn't the idea of a release candidate to be a test of the final release? If the packages have been deleted, then how is it a test? Anyway, a lot of people will end up needing the kernel sources, so why would they purposely be ommitted (and what was added that caused the need to delete them)? Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Kernel source missing from 9.2 ISOs
James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:45, Joeb wrote: James Sparenberg wrote: On Wed, 2003-10-15 at 21:01, Joeb wrote: Greg Meyer wrote: On Wednesday 15 October 2003 11:25 pm, Joeb wrote: Evidently, the 9.2 ISOs don't contain the kernel-sources. They exist on the 9.2 tree on the ftp sites, but not on the CDs I DLd. Is it just my CDs or were the ISOs bad (again). I can DL the sources, but it would have been nice if they were included! Does anyone know of any other files missing from the ISOs that are in the tree? I downloaded the PowerPack iso's and it is on CD3 of that set. There is actually a lot of stuff in main that is not on the 3 cd's. It just won't all fit on 3 cd's. But if you set up a 9.2 mirror as a urpmi source, any package you want installed will be automatically downloaded and installed. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I understand that not everything can fit on the three CDs, but for the basic 3 CD download set, the third CD isn't full, so it appears that there would have been room. It's really pretty poor that the kernel sources aren't included as many people need to compile things! I'm wondering if and when the ISOs are put on FTP servers if this will be fixed? If not, then a lot of people will be turned off by Mandrake. I can only assume if people order CDs from Mandrake or CheapBytes that they don't have a high speed connection. If that's the case, then setting up a 9.2 mirror as a source won't work. Further more, as many 9.1 mirrors are being deleted (as I type), it would mean that if you run 9.2 longer than six months, you lose your ability to reinstall something that wasn't on the CDs. Just my 2 cents. Joeb My 3rd CD is 696 MB granted that 4 megs short of full but not enough for the kernel source. For that I recommend urpmi. James __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Wouldn't it make more sense to leave out some of the documentation (kernel docs are there 3 times, apache twice and lots of other stuff). Maybe we don't need all of those kernels on the CDs, there are quite a few now. Without the kernel source, you can't compile NVidia drivers or winmodem drivers or other sources that require the kernel headers! Not everybody has a high speed internet connection, so the simple solution of urpmi doesn't work for something as important as a the kernel headers/sources. We're not talking 100s of megabytes, just 40MB. IIRC, the kernel sources were included with the betas and release candidates, so if they could fit then, why not now. Also, isn't the idea of a release candidate to be a test of the final release? If the packages have been deleted, then how is it a test? Anyway, a lot of people will end up needing the kernel sources, so why would they purposely be ommitted (and what was added that caused the need to delete them)? Joeb A lot gets duplicated. It does that so you don't have to switch the disks more than 1 time. As for what does doesn't get included. As far as I'm concerned about 1 disk worth is useless. But a lot wouldn't agree. (Emacs in all of it's forms could be dropped and I'd wouldn't miss it, but others would have a hissy fit.) The one major concession was that disk 1 is 650mb. Why. So that if your boxes cd drive can't read 700mb disks (and there are a lot of them.) You can at least get a box up. One note. Anyone downloading the iso's or using bittorrent either has broadband, or ... is a real glutton for pain. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I don't have broadband at home, but I do at work. Therefore, installing 9.2 at home but not having the kernel sources is a real problem (since it also effectively kills off my modem, since I can't compile it's drivers and my NVidia card, too). Yes, I can go to work, download the sources, burn them to CD and then bring them home and the problem is resolved (but not solved). But, how many people without broadband will buy CDs from one of the web-sites that sell them and will be stuck because they can't effectively create a source for URPMI with their dial up. Or what about the poor people in Europe who have monthly download/upload minutes who have used up most of the month's quota just getting the ISOs only to find out they need to download more, but now
Re: [expert] Getting a 100% linux compatible scanner
HaywireMac wrote: On 11 Oct 2003 13:13:45 +0200 diego [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Can anyone recommend a good linux compatible scanner Every HP model *except* the 2300C should work just fine. Guess which model *I* have ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com The 3500 series of HP scanners is not supported, either. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert]SOLVED! Interesting times with sound
Patricia Fraser wrote: Hi Charlie, I love it when a plan comes together, don't you? It's one of the best things about being a Mandrake user. Stuff quite often doesn't Just Work, but it always seems to Work In The EndTM! Thanks for the kindness of letting the list know it's fixed. g No probs. I'm going to put something up on the Wiki about it - a bit later (gotta do house things). I think that Bill was right, and there's no cable; I'm now mooching around looking at other apps to see whether pointing them at the right device helps at all. I guess the digital-read capability is the important bit missing from kscd. Shame, because I like using it. And thanks for the links! 8-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Actually, the missing cable is the important bit missing! Glad it's working for you now. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interesting times with sound
Patricia Fraser wrote: Hi folks, I'm hoping that someone will have been through this! I've got a new PC, and I'm attempting an install of 8.2 (waiting for the 9.1 CDs to arrive). I've installed ALSA, with some success - the sound is an onboard VIA8233/AC97, and I can play MP3s, I'm getting some noises out of KDE even though arts is complaining mightily - but I can't get a peep out of a CD. Is this back-to-front or what? The CD is a CD/RW, and is set up in fstab as scd0; it works beautifully as a data CD, and I've successfully ripped tracks using grip - and the resulting files sound great in XMMS! but I can't hear a thing when the CD is playing. I looked at the Wiki, and saw Regis' suggestions - when I ll /dev/cdrom I get /dev/cdrom - cdroms/cdrom0 and when I ll /dec/scd0 I get /dev/scd0 - scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/cd so I think that's okay. Any clues where to look for answers? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com This may be a silly question, but have you checked kmix to make sure the volume is turned up for CD playback? Also, I'm assuming there is a sound cable from the CD to the sound card or motherboard. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Interesting times with sound
Patricia Fraser wrote: On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 22:22:30 -0500 Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: This may be a silly question, but have you checked kmix to make sure the volume is turned up for CD playback? Also, I'm assuming there is a sound cable from the CD to the sound card or motherboard. I put one dozen Krispy Kremes on the Kmix! Alas! I have Bad News for you g - mixer is fine (I think I told in my original post that I was hearing stuff - alsamixer is fine, kmix is fine, cd plugin is fine in XMMS (CD is working - grip is ripping tracks no problem) - Argh! It might be the cable. I was hoping for software; there's this Intimidating Sticker on the case saying Do Not Remove. Goshdarnit. 8-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com If you try playing it in KsCD do you get the same results? As for the mixers, even though you hear wav files and mp3s, etc. that doesn't guarantee that the audio for the CD itself is enabled (although you indicate it is in your case). CD playback uses a different mixer setting than the regular volume control. Could very well be the cable. :( Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] dm in 9.2RC1 dying...
Mark wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Joeb wrote: Mark wrote: Hi all, Is anyone else seeing this happen? What I mean is the system boots just fine to the GUI login screen, but after I've logged out of my Xwindows session it doesn't remain in init 5, but drops to init 3, and the console login appears. In order to get the GUI login screen back I've got to drop to init 1 and then go to init 5. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com There's already been a bug report submitted on it. I think you can also get the dm back by logging in at the console prompt and typing: service -f dm (you will need to be root or su to root). After that, you won't get kicked out of the dm until you reboot and logout the first time. Hopefully, it will be fixed for RC2. Joeb Awesome...thanks Joeb. By the way...when is the scheduled release date of RC2? - -- Mark Hopefully, not until it's finished! It seems that the RC introduced a bunch of problems that weren't in the last beta. Most, but not all seem to be cleared up in cooker. I haven't actually heard of a release date. Since .2 releases are supposed to be the most stable of the series (7.2, 8.2 and now 9.2) I hope Mandrake would let the release date slip if needed for improved stability. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] dm in 9.2RC1 dying...
Mark wrote: Hi all, Is anyone else seeing this happen? What I mean is the system boots just fine to the GUI login screen, but after I've logged out of my Xwindows session it doesn't remain in init 5, but drops to init 3, and the console login appears. In order to get the GUI login screen back I've got to drop to init 1 and then go to init 5. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com There's already been a bug report submitted on it. I think you can also get the dm back by logging in at the console prompt and typing: service -f dm (you will need to be root or su to root). After that, you won't get kicked out of the dm until you reboot and logout the first time. Hopefully, it will be fixed for RC2. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Printing envelopes in OOo
Miark wrote: I'm trying to use OOo (1.0.2 and/or 1.1 RC2) to print envelopes. It prints, and everything is where it should be, but the lettering is as if only half the toner is being put to paper--like the Toner Save feature of my Samsung ML-4600 laser printer is being turned on. But this happens _only_ when printing envelope pages. I can copy-and- paste the text from the envelope section to a new page within the same document and print that page perfectly. And conversely, I can add a frame to the envelope page, and whatever text I type in that box will also print very lightly. It happens regardless of the paper type, and it happens regardless of where I feed the paper into the printer, so it's definitely something with OOo, but how do I correct it? Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com What font are you using? Maybe it doesn't render properly when turned sideways to print on an envelope (I'm grasping here). Try a different font or try the same font in landscape mode and see how it prints. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PCTEL HSP56 on LMR741/748 Mother board a little moreexplained
Luis Duran wrote: I downloaded the driver 0.9.6 from linmodems.org, there is a how-to about this modem, but it is not covered the M741 motherboard integrated one. I had experimented so many problems with this motherboard, the first time that i heard the sound card (cmi 8338a) sounding good, was when i completed the Mandrake 9 installation weeks ago, others linux versions don't even try it. But the modem PCTel PCT 789T aka HSP 56 integrated on the M741 motherboard widespread sold in Latin-America, first, when i finally compiled it and install it with the kernel modules, when i ship insmod pctel the first error i get is something like: the module was compiled with a 2.X.X version of GCC, your kernel was compiled with the version 3.0.x.. this is known don't work. Then, because i do not know how to work around this, the how-to simply encourage to ship insmod -f pctel. Then i get some typical errors about mixing commercial code with code-Free one, Well, finally, the pctel module is loaded, but when i go to insmod -f ptserial, the other PCTel module necessary to use the modem (they said) the module told me that it can't found the modem device on this computer,i compared the expected output on the how-to with my output and i felt down. Is there anybody interested in my M741 card ? Excuse my bad English, i didn't show the exact errors because i even tried re-install the whole Mandrake, that is very good. On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 00:16, Joeb wrote: Luis Duran wrote: Im done, i have hit with the wall so many times, i have tried everything, howtos, linmodems.org, and i can not work this probles around, i haven't installed the modem yet to use it with linux, i am using a very old DOS modem wit jumpers, man, it can be so slow. I would thanks a lot, if anybody can help me with this. I have a linux mandrake 9 box. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com What have you tried and what were the results? Joeb __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Okay, The good news is that you have the correct driver for your modem. There errors you are getting when you do the normal insmod are normal for this driver (and not the cause of your problems). There is an object file included as part of the driver that was compiled with GCC 2, and even though the error message says it's known not to work, it does (I use a pctel modem with that driver, but not one integrated on the MB). Are you sure the modem is the PCT 789? If the chip is visible on the MB, you can look and see otherwise, you might try some of the other options in the driver. If you are sure that it is the 789, you might try booting with ACPI disabled or set to off. Some people have reported success with that. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sound problem after MB upgrade
Thomas K. Gamble wrote: I recently upgraded my MB to a Tyan Thunder K7X Pro and now I'm having problems with sound in MDK 9.1. I'm using the same sound card as before (SB live) and same MDK version (stock kernel). Here's a description of what happens: After a reboot sound players like xmms will lock up when attempting to play a sound file. I can get sound to work by killing the app and kmix, restarting alsad and soundd, then restarting kmix. Strangely, kmix has the master and PCM controls muted when I restart it at this point. Unmute and sound works with one glitch: If I try to adjust the volume from xmms, the sound stops. Twiddle the PCM control in kmix and sound comes back. Any clues as to what might cause this strange behavior? Would a kernel upgrade fix this? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Does this MB have an onboard sound card and is it still enabled in CMOS? If so, disable it. Otherwise, you might look at /proc/interrupts and see if the sound card is using the same interrupt as some other card (most likely network or video). If it is, you might try moving it to a different slot in the computer and see if that solves it (it seems PCI cards sometimes assign interrupts based on which slot a card is in). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PCTEL HSP56 on LMR741/748 Mother board
Luis Duran wrote: Im done, i have hit with the wall so many times, i have tried everything, howtos, linmodems.org, and i can not work this probles around, i haven't installed the modem yet to use it with linux, i am using a very old DOS modem wit jumpers, man, it can be so slow. I would thanks a lot, if anybody can help me with this. I have a linux mandrake 9 box. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com What have you tried and what were the results? Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: New 2.4.21 Variable HZ question.
Even though you meant to send this off list, would you mind posting the response (or even the thread)? I'm very interested in this as it is my understanding that it is one of main ways that Redhat uses to increase performance for desktop use. Joeb On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 20:32:48 -0400 Robert Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry- this was meant to be sent to directly Con Kolivas- Apparently, I messed up and it somehow appeared on the expert list, addressed to myself- still can't figure that one out. Robert C. On Thursday 26 June 2003 19:51, you wrote: Con, Tried the new june23 full patch, but couldn't get past make modules. I then edited my .config file some, and did the base patch, plus the performance patches, and supermount, all individually, and that worked out great. Must have been some conflict caused by the old .config. Anyway, my question is about setting the Variable Hz- do you mean when I do xconfig, I should change the setting in General setup to a higher value, and see if performance is improved? Here's my present value, that apparently is the default. Or, is that what we're even talking about? I'm not sure I understand this, due to lack of knowledge. # General setup # CONFIG_HZ=200 On your webpage I read: Is 1000Hz more overhead than 100Hz? Yes definitely, but not a great deal. If you change the Hz, use a multiple of 100. There really is no point going above 1000 Hz. I assume this means that if I'm correct and you are referring to that line in xconfig, I can experiment. Am I also correct in that I need your patch in order to experiment with this value? Or, am I totally misunderstanding all of the above, and the ck3 patches already set some other value to 1000Mhz that I'm confusing with the line in the kernel .config file? Thanks for the great patches- I'm now using 2.4.21 with CK patches exclusively on MDK 9.1- nothing works better for my desktop box. Best regards, Robert Crawford Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Jims 9.2 request mantra
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 22:00:40 -0700 Jim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Searchable help files... Searchable help files... Searchable help files... Searchable help files... Searchable help files... ;-) I search through them all the time, usually beginning at the top and scrolling all the way through! What I would like is an automatic search feature! 8) Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Re: New 2.4.21 Variable HZ question.
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 16:51:28 -0400 Robert Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'd really be interested in learning about RedHat's thinking on this subject- can you point us to where you learned about this? I'm all for doing anything to increase performance. That's my problem, I can't remember where I found it on the web! I know it was back during the 8.0 days of Mandrake. I recall a post, that I thought was on one of the Mandrake lists, but I sure can't find it. The post pointed to an article about increasing the HZ size and how it improved response times for desktop users. It also stated that Redhat was doing this with their kernels, which is why their i386 seemed so snappy compared to Mandrake and Suse. The downside was something about timings being off for some tools because the items in /proc weren't aware that the HZ had been changed. It was my understanding with Redhat 9, they continued this practice of changing the HZ but also modified the tools that calculate the various things in /proc. I'm sorry I don't have more information, but I have long since given up finding the original article. It seems Google wants to return 50,000+ hits everytime I try and after a few hundred, I give up. If I ever find my hard copy, I'll type it back in to the list. Joeb p.s. It's also my understanding that the 2.5/2.6 kernel has increased this setting. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] USB-Stick
I have two, a 128MB PNY Memory Key and a 32MB IBM one. Both work just by plugging them in (but not at the same time as there is only one /mnt/removable!) Joeb On 21 Jun 2003 22:49:39 +0200 Nisco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Il sab, 2003-06-21 alle 18:33, Joeb wrote: I just plugged mine in and it was detected automatically. Joeb Which one is it? Cesare Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] USB-Stick
I just plugged mine in and it was detected automatically. I'm using 9.1 with a stock kernel and devfsd and supermount both enabled (not sure it would make a difference, though). It ended up adding a desktop icon to KDE, like the CD-ROM icon plus I could access it manually from /mnt/removable. My fstab was updated automatically by the system and recognized the USB key as a SCSI drive. Joeb On Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:47:41 +0200 phriedrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, a friend of mine has a USB-memory-stick, I have never tried to connect it to my Mandrake 9.1, but I want to try it...so what line you would insert into fstab to enable auto-mount/umount of that medium? An example would be very nice, thanks for every help Friedrich Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Java stopped working properly???
On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:52:41 +1000 Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My java was working fine for months but in the last few days after my box crashed and now it hangs in Konqueror and crashes Mozilla 1.3/1.4 on md 9.1. I have tried reinstalling it and upgrading and deleting and redoing the symlinks to no avail. In my plugin trace I found this. Can anyone tell me what it means??? Thanx Mark I notice you say Mozilla 1.4. Did you compile this yourself or use and RPM or install program? The reason I ask, is I recall a problem with Java and Mozilla because Mozilla is compiled with gcc 3.2 and the Java SDK 2.96 (or something like that). I believe the Mandrake RPMS for Mozilla have been compiled with 2.96, but I believe the official Mozilla is with 3.2. I could easily be mistaken about all of this, but in the case that I'm not, you would need to compile Mozilla 1.4 with gcc 2.96 to get it to work with Java. Now all of that said, you might check Texstar's site and see if he has a Mozilla 1.4 packaged. Also, if I am wrong on the above, or the situation has since been corrected by Sun or Mozilla, please let me know (as I'm sure someone will :-) ). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] chmod question
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003 22:58:45 -0400 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I run chmod so that it only applies the changes to files or only to directories. I don't see an option in the man page that does this, but I am sure it must be possible. I want my files to be set to 644 and my directories to 755. -- Greg You could go to the level above the top directory you want to change and do a chmod -R 644 MyDir which will change the directory and everything underneath to 644. Then go back and chmod 755 MyDir and repeat for each directory underneath MyDir that you want to be 755. In the first part (the 644), the -R makes the chmod recursive and changes everything below. Then, in the second part (755), you set to 755 everything you want to be 755. There may be another way, but the above will definitely work. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] chmod question
On 05 Jun 2003 20:59:11 -0700
Michael Noble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greg,
chmod will not distinguish between files and directories.
To do the changes you propose, you will want to use find and
chmod together.
I will assume you are at the base of what you want to change.
To change files:
find . -type f -exec chmod 644 {} \;
To change directories:
find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;
These commands will start a the directory you are in and recusively
change all files and directories.
If you want to learn more about the -type, read the man page on find.
Mike
Mike, I like your solution much better than mine! Learn something new everyday. :)
Joeb
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Re: [expert] 9.1 KDE problems
On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 14:16:13 -0400 Robert Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 02 June 2003 11:47, Ronald J. Hall wrote: I decided to post this here because it looks way beyond newbie stuff. I'm running 9.1 (download edition) on an AMD XP2100, Soyo Dragon Plus MB, 512 megs of Corsair DDR ram. Installation went smooth with no errors that I know of. As root, I can open 2 windows, try to copy something (anything) between them and both windows competely disappear. No warnings or error messages. With my normal user account, I can open an icon window (home for example) and close it, always with a crash and a KDE error message: Anyone have any ideas? Makes it darned hard to use, ya know? Never had these problems with v9.0 or 8.2. Oh, I did a complete install and not an upgrade. There are various weird problems with the stock kde 3.1 with 9.1. A lot of users have problems such as yours, and others too. I suggest reading the kde threads on pclinuxonline under the RPM announcements forum, then downloading ALL of Texstar's kde 3.1.2 packages from his ibiblio site to their own directory in /home, then log out of kde into gnome or Ice, and rename your /home/user/.kde folder to kdeold. Then go to init 3, su to root, and cd to the directory you downloaded to and install Tex's kde packages with (takes a few minutes). Be sure and get all the required packages and dependencies. Use this command to install in init 3. rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm --force replaces files and packages, but you must not be running kde at the time of install. Then you need to restart the box with the halt command- if you just go directly back to init 5 after the packages install, you might have trouble- I did. Kmail shows up with all your email, but you'll need to re-enter your info and accounts. In the kdeold folder you saved, there is a bookmark.xml file in /share/apps/konqueror- just replace the new one in the same location in /home/user/.kde, and your bookmarks are back. You might need to resetup the kppp info. Robert Crawford If you're not wanting to go to 3.1.2, you can use the updated KDE rpms from Mandrake Update to fix many of the KDE problems. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] How many DIMMS for DDR
On Tue, 27 May 2003 15:56:13 +0200 Steffen Barszus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise if you build in one DIMM a 512 MB now you can easy extend your memory by adding another. But that is not what I meant. For nforce2 boards you need two symmetrical memory sticks, you will get bad performance with one stick or two different sticks. At least that was written in my most read tech magazin ;) Steffen That is similar to what I heard. You want 2 identical DIMMS or performance suffers. I was just trying to make sure I heard that correctly or not. On the otherhand, though, I haven't seen anything that shows performance would be affected where one would actually notice it, except in specific situations (i.e. normal use wouldn't detect it, but possible high end graphic manipulation/processing would). Thanks to you and all who responded! Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Compiling PC-Tel drivers with 9.1
Yes, I'm sure I'm using 3.2.2, at least when I type gcc -v, thats what it returns and that is the string that is imbeded in the object file on the ptserial.o that doesn't require being forced. I am using 0.9.6 with the stock Mandrake kernel for 9.1. As my temporary solution, I've added the insmod -f to my .bash_profile so it comes up when I log in (actually, I call a script which first does a rmmod for the two modules and then does the insmod -f). I stated in my post that I had the problem with 9.0, but that's not correct, it only began with the 9.1 beta's. I have acpi=off in lilo, but the problem still exists. The best I can tell is that the ptserial.o has the compiler version imbeded in it and that either insmod or the kernel itself looks for the string. By the time pctel.o is made, even though I've hard coded the compiler version in the make file, it's not in the final object file. I figure this is because there are two assembler files that are combined with the ptmodule.o to produce pctel.o and I don't know how to include the compiler version in them. Of course, I could be totally wrong on that! :) As for the dialer, I'm using kppp and it does work, once I force the modules to load. I'm curious is your pctel version using pct789? That's what mine is and maybe it's just a problem with that one. Joeb On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 00:41:44 -0300 (BRT) Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Are you quite sure that you use gcc 3.2.2? To be sure I had uninstalled any gcc 2.x.x. I've never had this problem. Are you compiling pctel 0.9.6, right? As a temporaty solution you can put insmod -f in your /etc/rc.local. Now, just for my interest, are you using ACPI? Did you load modules, but did you test it with kppp? Gnomeppp and wvdial didn't work for me. Modules load when use ACPI but it doesn't work. Are you using stock mdk 9.1 kernel? If so, we can change modules. I'm also using multimedia kernel and the same happens (a little bit hard to compile, but ok): only works with acpi=off. Cheers, Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Joeb wrote: I've compiled the PC-Tel modem drivers for use with 9.1 and that all went well. When I try to insmod them, though I get an error message about them being compiled with gcc 2.x and they won't insert. I know that they are compiled with gcc 3.2.2 and they can be forced with insmod -f. The problem is that I can't have them load automatically as needed by added them to /etc/modules.conf since they have to be forced. I've traced the problem down to the pctel module. At first I modified the Makefile for ptmodule to hard code the gcc version. This did work and the version was included in the ptmodule.o, but it appears that the pctel.o is comprised of some other modules besides the ptmodule (maybe assembler?) and I don't know how to tell it the compiler version. Has anyone using a PC-Tel modem gotten this to compile and insmod without having to force it? If so, how did you do it? BTW, this isn't new to 9.1, 9.0 also had the same problem. TIA, Joeb p.s. please don't refer me to Jan's PC-Tel site. Been there, and to all of the links. The FAQ says that if you have this problem to just use the insmod -f which doesn't really fix the problem, only gets around it. It also says RedHat 8.0 has the same problem, so it's not Mandrake specific. -- --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 says No DISK drive!
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:12:49 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 29 Mar 2003 12:16 pm, Charles A Edwards wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:27:22 + Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This makes me nervous - your ide config sounds very similar to mine Ann, unless you install from your hd, as is Ron, you should have no problem. Comforting I have done the 9.1 install from cd on 2 systems, both with dual ide controllers. The only problem I had is that on 1 2nd stage ram disk errored if I used the cdrom drive but ran without problem from the dvd. Is this because the dvd is master? I installed from my dvd drive last time, and would do so again unless I know there's a problem. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Anne, You should be able to install from your dvd assuming it is bootable. The problem he is experiencing is with an install from a hard drive (ie. not using ISOs or CDs). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Pctel HSP56 MR and MDK 9.1
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 20:04:25 -0300 (BRT) Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List! My mobo chipset is Via KM266. I got Pctel winmodem to work with MKD 9.0 (stock kernel). Now I upgraded to MDK 9.1 (a dream!). Rebuild the modules for pctel but modem does not work anymore. Does someone else have this issue? I'm thinking if it could be a drawback due to acpi which now is working well. Any suggestion, commentary or help would be very welcome! Cheers, --- Alan Wilter S. da Silva --- Laboratório de Física Biológica Instituto de Biofísica Carlos Chagas Filho Universidade do Brasil/UFRJ Rio de Janeiro, Brasil Your pctel modem will still work, but it won't be automatic. This is because when you insmod it (or it is done through modules.conf), the kernel thinks it was compiled with gcc 2.x and refuses to insert it (Mandrake definitely is using gcc 3.2.2). I've looked through the code for the modem, but haven't been able to determine where the problem is. It appears to not be in the .c code but in an assembler module. Anyway, to get it to work, you will manually need to open a terminal window and as root (su) type: insmod -f pctel followed by an insmod -f ptserial. That will insert both of them with some errors about a tainted kernel, but they will work after that. The only down side is that you will need to do this each time you reboot. Jan's pctel website has a section in one of the FAQs that talk about doing this (Redhat 8.0 and 9 have the same problem). Hopefully, there will be a new version of the driver that fixes the problem (anyone reading this know how to get insmod or the kernel to ignore the compiler check?). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 says No DISK drive!
Ron, I haven't tried this, so I don't know if it will work or not. What happens if you make a boot floppy to do your install, but use the floppy image from the 9.0 release that supports your on-board controller? Once booted, install 9.1 from your hard drive (that's what you're trying to do, right?). Another option might be, if you have the 9.0 CDs, boot to rescue mode and mount your drives there. Then, install 9.1 from your hard drive. Again, I don't know if the above will work, as I haven't tried it and ultimately, Mandrake needs to have a patch or a fix put out. But, it may let you get 9.1 installed and running until they do. Good luck, Joeb On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:32:54 +1100 Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joeb wrote: What's on your IDE0 and IDE1? If nothing, then disable them in CMOS and see if that works. CD-RW burner on primary IDE0. CD reader on primary IDE1. All works OK with Mandrake 9.0. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] 20030119 Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Empty warhead found in White House Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] 9.1 says No DISK drive!
What's on your IDE0 and IDE1? If nothing, then disable them in CMOS and see if that works. Joeb On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:50:20 +1100 Ron Stodden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Installing 9.1 from an hd.img floppy immediately says No DISK drive! My two hard disks are primaries on hde and hdg. They have to be because they are ATA100 or above and IDE0 and IDE1 only support ATA66 and below. Many motherboards operate this way. 9.0 installed and runs perfectly on this configuration. The strong implication is that nobody in Mandrake development or QA uses ATA100 or up disk drives - true? Once more, another release showstopper reported by Ron. When can we expect a fix, and how will it be delivered? -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] 20030119 Get Fastest Mandrake downloader, English-only, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Empty warhead found in White House Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] upgrade vs. reinstall
Since there were so many changes between 8.2 and 9.1 (glibc, gcc, kde, gnome, etc.) I think your best bet would be to install 9.1 fresh. The method I use, is to first rename my home directories to something else. Next I backup any scripts I want to keep from /etc (if you haven't customized any, then you don't need to worry about this). Next I do a fresh install, meaning I have it format everything but /home (if you have other partitions, for a web server, for instance, you might not want to format them, either). As part of the install, I recreate the users on the box and after the install finishes, I move the documents and mail files back from the old renamed home directories to the new ones. Note, that the above is for an installation with a few users on it. If the computer were a server (or workstation) with lots of users, then I would write a script to do the home directory renames/moves. Regardless, I think the step of renaming and recreating the home directories is important. If you don't, then various configuration files are left that might not be valid anymore with the new applications, particularly gnome and kde. Anyway, that's the process I normally use. For what it's worth, the few times I have upgraded instead of install fresh, I notice the upgrade takes a lot longer to do! Joeb On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:51:49 -0800 Mark Chou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to upgrade my MDK 8.2 box to 9.1. In the past, upgrading MDK via CD (by keeping /home nuking other partitions) was a disaster. The install kernel (even alternates) always bombed someplace mid-way in installing rpms. Anyone have any pearls of wisdom of how to get thru this successfully? I sure would like to know the proper procedure. Thanks! __ Unlimited Internet Access 8.25/Month! http://www.ivwnet.com/access.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [OT] SCO sues IBM over Linux and UNIX
Not to disagree with you Todd, but when you say They get their billion... are you referring to SCO or the lawyers (not that it makes much difference)? :) Way I see it, there are a couple of questions. Q1) Was IBM entitled to use the code? A1) Yes, that is not part of the litigation. Q2) Was IBM entitled to release said code under the GPL? A2) Maybe, that's what the courts will now decide. Q3) What are the ramifications for Linux? A3) Could be as simple as said code must be removed - as with most things, there are several implementations that are submitted for the kernel, so a different one might need to be chosen. Q4) If IBM was not entitled to release said code, what are the damages? A4) That's the tricky part, since SCO Unix's value has increased along with the work IBM did with Linux, it's hard to argue damages (especially if the offending code is removed). Remember, most of the code is in the 2.5 Kernel which isn't officially released yet. Finally, Q5) What are the long term ramifications? A5) IBM may have to pay some money, Linux will continue to grow (although with some changed modules), SCO will continue to go down the tubes and most importantly, the lawyers will laugh all the way to the bank. If I were a shareholder of SCO I think I would counter-sue the CEO and board of directors for squandering resources on this lawsuit instead of looking at ways to repair the company. Or, if SCO is successful, and they receive billions, it might be time to liquidate the company so it goes to the shareholders instead of the few at the top. Just my two cents and remember, IANAL! Joeb On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:08:40 -0800 Todd Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jack Coates wrote on Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 08:55:41AM -0800 : SCO has decided to sue IBM for $US1 billion for alleged intellectual property infringement regarding IBM's contributions to GNU/Linux. They are of course shooting themselves with this action... however, I Here's the point that I think all of you are not getting. They don't *CARE* if they shoot themselves in the foot. They get their billion dollars, get out of town, and live on the small island they just bought. They are in it solely for the money, consumers be damned. Blue skies... Todd - -- | MandrakeSoft USA | Security is like an onion. It's made | | http://www.mandrakesoft.com | made up of several layers and makes | | http://www.mandrakelinux.com | you cry. --Howard Chu| Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21-0.12mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+aUKYlp7v05cW2woRAjKqAKCWcD0Cpg0b0KhDs4K6cMhflT9IcACdHmI8 twzHFdaScAGX3FQmXVw9YRI= =4fJV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] [OT] SCO sues IBM over Linux and UNIX
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 17:11:23 -0500 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 08 March 2003 04:53 pm, Joeb wrote: Not to disagree with you Todd, but when you say They get their billion... are you referring to SCO or the lawyers (not that it makes much difference)? :) Way I see it, there are a couple of questions. Q1) Was IBM entitled to use the code? A1) Yes, that is not part of the litigation. Q2) Was IBM entitled to release said code under the GPL? A2) Maybe, that's what the courts will now decide. Q3) What are the ramifications for Linux? A3) Could be as simple as said code must be removed - as with most things, there are several implementations that are submitted for the kernel, so a different one might need to be chosen. Q4) If IBM was not entitled to release said code, what are the damages? A4) That's the tricky part, since SCO Unix's value has increased along with the work IBM did with Linux, it's hard to argue damages (especially if the offending code is removed). Remember, most of the code is in the 2.5 Kernel which isn't officially released yet. Finally, Q5) What are the long term ramifications? A5) IBM may have to pay some money, Linux will continue to grow (although with some changed modules), SCO will continue to go down the tubes and most importantly, the lawyers will laugh all the way to the bank. The suit doesn;t just talk about code, but methods and concepts as well. If not one single piece of UNIX source code ended up in Linux, they are trying to say that the way it works still infringes on it's IP. I find that quite specious. The way I read your response, you seem to assume that code actually made it into the kernel. This has only been alleged, not proven. The suit also refers to Linux capability today in production. It would seem to me that if any of this were true, but restricted to the 2.5 kernel, then damages would be significantly less since it is not in widespread use. -- Greg I agree it is a bold leap to say that methods and concepts are infringed, because even with the work that IBM has contributed, the methods and concepts were there before IBM's participation. Yes, the 2.4 kernel has better memory management than the 2.2 kernel, but memory management was still part of the 2.2 kernel (that's just for example, I don't know if SCO is saying memory management is one of the IP issues). You are correct in the way you are reading my response in that I am assuming it deals with the kernel (as that is the only part that is actually Linux and other applications normally included in distributions haven't been mentioned). I was under the impression that most of IBM's contributions were made after the 2.4 kernel was released, but I could easily be mistaken. Even so, if SCO is found to be correct, then the current 2.4.x kernel would be tainted. That still is not a show stopper as I said in my earlier post, for just about everything in the kernel, many submissions are made. Worst case for the kernel would be that 2.6 would be delayed to roll back tainted code and replaced with alternative clean code. I know that isn't a trivial task, but what it actually means is that even with a worst case, SCO wins all, Linux, as we know it would still survive (and SCO would still be going down the tubes). Again, IANAL, but another issue, particularly if SCO claims code further back than 1995 is tainted (when they bought UNIX back from Novell) is why they didn't take issue with the IP rights then. Since, they had a Linux distribution, they were fully aware of what was going on inside of it (or should have been). I have been told that one possible outcome of this suit is the possibility that the courts could say, that if you don't take action to enforce IP when it is first known to be misused, you implicitly allow it's use. Actually, this argument could hold for code even after 1995. If so, then SCO's suit boils down to they are upset that IBM broke a contract with them. But, they didn't sue for breach of contract, they sued for lost IP. One would have to ask why and the answer is how do you award damages on a speculative RD contract when there isn't any market shown to exist? You can't. IP on the other hand, you can show damages. But, as I stated earlier, SCO's market value has grown right along with the growth of Linux, so where is the damage? Now for the really interesting part. Let's assume that SCO is correct and IBM has tainted linux with IP that they did not own. Isn't that same tainted code in United Linux which SCO is part of? So what does SCO do now? They could allow United Linux to use the code with a restricted, non-open license, but if it is tied to the GPL'd kernel, then you couldn't release your own kernel with a more restrictive license than the original kernel had, could you? So, if SCO is successful in their argument against IBM, they would still
Re: [expert] RC1:localized OpenOffice1.0.2 not complete
On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:18:52 +0100 W. Kasberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This should be a hint to Mandrake team: This hold at least for localization de_DE: No help-de is installed (the rpm is not on the CDs). Instead of spellchecking de_DE myspell de_CH is installed. Also no hyphenation-de is installed. Besides: The same happened with beta3 and also OOO1.0.1 with Mandrake9.0. Maybe this can be corrected at next or (at least) the final revision. I find it very good that Mandrake the newest software. W. Kasberg You really should re-submit this to Bugzilla (qa.mandrakesoft.com) or at least to the cooker mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). There's no guarantee that anyone associated with the packages you mentioned will see your message here (as the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not where bug reports are normally sent). Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK 9.1 rc1 install failure
I believe there is already an errata on 9.1 RC1 that states printer installation during the install is broke and. If I recall, they recommend having the printer turned off during the install and afterwards installing it manually. It's supposed to be fixed for RC2. Joeb On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 18:50, Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; Thought I'd take a shot at 9.1 rc1. No go. The install went ok up to the end. At the summary stage, it was installing the printer, and died, horribly. It correctly identified the printer, then failed with the error: panic: swash_fetch When I hit ok, it went back to try to install the printer, resulting in the same error, etc... I tried re-loading it a couple times, with the same result. If I crashed it out of that, and rebooted the PC, it failed to boot fully, with a crash (didn't note the error message). Sigh... Ok, I'll try again at rc2 ;) Ric __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Joeb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
