Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.
Am Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 00:24:59 schrieb M Daniel R Magarzo: Man, let me tell you the true I perceive: real criticism make you feel really uncomfortable. Bad issue.. You should learn something from this, but I doubt it. Daniel M Daniel R Magarzo, critic is welcome, but you are unkind and not constructive, please do me a favor, unsubscribe. Good bye! -- Jörg Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Looking for Fedora merchandise for Fedora promotion
Hi All, I guess / hope some of you now me. For those on this list who don't here is a short intro I'm an active Fedora contributer, maintaining over 150 packages. Currently I'm working on integrating all of the Planet CCRMA audio packages into Fedora. I'm also a lecturer in computer science for a Dutch University. In our Computer Science we do a lot of things with Free Software and specifically with Fedora. In our last year students do 2 large projects of a 1/2 year each, and I'm one of the teachers who give assignments for these projects. Thus we do many Fedora (and other free software) related projects. The autodownloader package used by quake3, vavoom and others for example is created by our students. So are the avr microprocessor and gp2x handheld console toolchain packages which are in Fedora now. Unfortunately we are currently experiencing a lack of students interested in Computer Science in the Netherlands. Therefore on our next open university day we are going to have a big Free Software booth to promote all the open source work we do, as this is one of the most prominent things we do which clearly differentiates us from other Computer Science studies in the surrounding area. Since we do a lot with and somethings for Fedora we would also like to give Fedora a prominent place there, so I'm looking for things like T-shirts, but also things like maybe a big blue flag with the Fedora logo on it etc. I know the Fedora have stuff like this, so I have 2 questions: 1) Can we get / buy stuff like this? 2) If the answer to 1 is yes, how / where and how must will it cost? Many Thanks Regards, Hans -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Looking for Fedora merchandise for Fedora promotion
On 10/15/07, Hans de Goede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we do a lot with and somethings for Fedora we would also like to give Fedora a prominent place there, so I'm looking for things like T-shirts, but also things like maybe a big blue flag with the Fedora logo on it etc. I know the Fedora have stuff like this, so I have 2 questions: 1) Can we get / buy stuff like this? 2) If the answer to 1 is yes, how / where and how must will it cost? Not a whole lot there, but a starting point might be http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=37 -- Jeremy L. Gaddis http://www.jeremygaddis.com/ -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Looking for Fedora merchandise for Fedora promotion
Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote: On 10/15/07, Hans de Goede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we do a lot with and somethings for Fedora we would also like to give Fedora a prominent place there, so I'm looking for things like T-shirts, but also things like maybe a big blue flag with the Fedora logo on it etc. I know the Fedora have stuff like this, so I have 2 questions: 1) Can we get / buy stuff like this? 2) If the answer to 1 is yes, how / where and how must will it cost? Not a whole lot there, but a starting point might be http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=37 And http://www.cafepress.com/fedoraproject -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Looking for Fedora merchandise for Fedora promotion
Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote: On 10/15/07, Hans de Goede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we do a lot with and somethings for Fedora we would also like to give Fedora a prominent place there, so I'm looking for things like T-shirts, but also things like maybe a big blue flag with the Fedora logo on it etc. I know the Fedora have stuff like this, so I have 2 questions: 1) Can we get / buy stuff like this? 2) If the answer to 1 is yes, how / where and how must will it cost? Not a whole lot there, but a starting point might be http://redhat.brandfuelstores.com/index.php?main_page=indexcPath=37 Hmm, I was on FOSDEM earlier this year and there Fedora Blue T-shirts with the Fedora-logo and Fedora as text on them were being sold, much nicer then the ones from the store you pointed to IMHO. Where did those come from? Thanks Regards, Hans -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Looking for Fedora merchandise for Fedora promotion
Hans de Goede wrote: Hmm, I was on FOSDEM earlier this year and there Fedora Blue T-shirts with the Fedora-logo and Fedora as text on them were being sold, much nicer then the ones from the store you pointed to IMHO. Where did those come from? For many events, ambassadors produce locally and sell merchandise's to meet costs. Rahul -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Looking for Fedora merchandise for Fedora promotion
Am Montag, 15. Oktober 2007 11:33:15 schrieb Hans de Goede: I know the Fedora have stuff like this, so I have 2 questions: 1) Can we get / buy stuff like this? 2) If the answer to 1 is yes, how / where and how must will it cost? Sure we know you ;-) i would suggest that you contact a Ambassador near you. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/CountryList He is able to request material and support you http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff/Tracker Cheers Joerg -- Jörg Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.
M Daniel R Magarzo wrote: El dom, 14-10-2007 a las 17:44 -0400, jkeating escribió: If this were really true, they wouldn't use Fedora at all, they would use something else that has this software already in it or easier to obtain. Why not? It's easier to put a vendaje over your eyes than digest the reality fro some people.. The last is harder indeed. Daniel Do you seriously think that the only reason people install Fedora is because of Livna. That thought is ludicrous Livna is an addon repository that supports non-free software. While not degrading what they do since some contribute to Fedora as a whole. They do not create the distribution at all. The majority of the distribution is created by people who work for RedHat (I think) a lot also from the community. The fact that Ubuntu has bigger numbers is due in part to the fact that it is easier to install than Fedora although that is changing. They also offer non-free software as default. I'm not to sure about PCLinuxOS but they are making a charge. One thing that Fedora does which is similar in nature to Debian is that 'we' are the base for other distro's. Ubuntu get there software from Debian. We are the equivalent to Debian. The big difference is that we are totally non-free in the sense that no repositories that are under the control of Fedora have non-free software. That is a bold statement and one that deserves credit. Fedora takes opensource software and improves it and takes it to another level. Make no mistake if Fedora didn't exist the world would be worse off. While Fedora can go down the path of offering non-free software I think I would be disheartened by this action and to me Fedora would lose what it stands for. Fedora is making significant contributions to the opensource community in ways that should be advertised a lot more. I for one have a lot of respect for the devs that contribute and while there are problems the dev's work hard and with little respect or thanks from the community. The other fact is people say that well most of the devs are employed. I didn't know Rahul or Jesse's job entailed working 7 days a week late at night all the time. These guy's go above and beyond what the average person does such is their love for the distribution. I was talking about it the other day I would hate having a job in the opensource industry because I would probably lose my family because I would work on it at work and then head home and work on it again. My family would hate me. (I suck at time management) Above all your criticism is welcome but your opinions should be tempered with respect for the people that give you a product that is FREE and they (the devs) strive hard to improve it. While it may not be perfect they are doing the best that they can and helping them improve it is more helpful than saying what you product sucks I'm going to Livna. Every new kernel I test out the wireless iwl3945 driver to see if its improved on my laptop. It hasn't got the range as what the ipw3945 driver does however I'm hopeful that it's fixed in F8. The reason I test it is so I can offer feedback to the devs who strive hard to fix the issues. Spend a bit of time on the fedora-devel list to see how active they all are and you might understand why I support this distro so much. I have tested a heap of different versions of linux but overall I have stuck with Fedora since Fedora Core 1 because it was noticeable that overall the people cared about what they did. It was like a badge of honour that they put out a quality product. Thanks Marc -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Looking for Fedora merchandise for Fedora promotion
Manuel Wolfshant wrote: On 10/15/07, Hans de Goede [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Fedora have stuff like this, so I have 2 questions: 1) Can we get / buy stuff like this? 2) If the answer to 1 is yes, how / where and how must will it cost? And http://www.cafepress.com/fedoraproject A trick would be to create your own CafePress store, get some nice Fedora graphics (they are all around if you know how to look), design your own stuff and buy from your store, at no profit. The downsides: the designs offered by CafePress are limited, the quality not great and the shipping price to Europe high. Of course, there are similar sites in Europe like http://www.spreadshirt.net/ (damn! they don't list Romania either...) where even the quality of the product seems better. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Looking for Fedora merchandise for Fedora promotion
Nicu Buculei wrote: And http://www.cafepress.com/fedoraproject A trick would be to create your own CafePress store, get some nice Fedora graphics (they are all around if you know how to look), design your own stuff and buy from your store, at no profit. You can also order supplies from places like http://www.dharmatrading.com/transfers/ (I'm sure there are other sources) and use your ink jet printer to make something that's similar to what you'd get at Cafe Press. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
A Public Awareness Campaign for Fedora!!!
Recently I posted on my blog, a challenge. How can Fedora be BETTER than MAC OS X? I know that the MAC is the best OS out there. Microsoft is ripping off OS X with Vista which is not doing well in sales. Thanks to the bad coding, overdemanding system requirements, and a movement called LINUX! So how can we Fedora Fans/Users/Developers LURE the frustrated Vista Users and people who don't use a computer to try out Fedora. A Campaign needs to be set up where people reach out to Media Outlets via online and postal mail telling people, there is an ALTERNATIVE to both Vista AND Mac! That is FEDORA! This is the idea, what should be done about it? Mark McLaughlin (linuxglobe.wordpress.com) -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: A Public Awareness Campaign for Fedora!!!
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:39:34 -0400 Markus McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I posted on my blog, a challenge. How can Fedora be BETTER than MAC OS X? I know that the MAC is the best OS out there. Microsoft is ripping off OS X with Vista which is not doing well in sales. Thanks to the bad coding, overdemanding system requirements, and a movement called LINUX! So how can we Fedora Fans/Users/Developers LURE the frustrated Vista Users and people who don't use a computer to try out Fedora. A Campaign needs to be set up where people reach out to Media Outlets via online and postal mail telling people, there is an ALTERNATIVE to both Vista AND Mac! That is FEDORA! This is the idea, what should be done about it? Define better. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (jkeating.livejournal.com) Fedora Project (fedoraproject.org/wiki/JesseKeating) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) signature.asc Description: PGP signature -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: A Public Awareness Campaign for Fedora!!!
Markus McLaughlin wrote: Recently I posted on my blog, a challenge. How can Fedora be BETTER than MAC OS X? I know that the MAC is the best OS out there. Microsoft is ripping off OS X with Vista which is not doing well in sales. Thanks to the bad coding, overdemanding system requirements, and a movement called LINUX! So how can we Fedora Fans/Users/Developers LURE the frustrated Vista Users and people who don't use a computer to try out Fedora. A Campaign needs to be set up where people reach out to Media Outlets via online and postal mail telling people, there is an ALTERNATIVE to both Vista AND Mac! That is FEDORA! This is the idea, what should be done about it? Mark McLaughlin Markus, I personally appreciate you enthusiasm for Fedora, but I feel that sometimes is a bit off the mark. Fedora, like many Free and Open Source projects, actively markets their software. But, with Fedora the marketing techniques tends to mirror the community aspect of the project. Fedora wouldn't be what it is without many people joining together to create something positive. Pitting one OS against others creates battle lines and has a dividing effect. To me, the most effective way to bring frustrated users over to Linux is by continuing to foster community - well that and it doesn't hurt to mention fun things like the lack of Virus infections. You also have to take into consideration that Fedora isn't always the best choice for a windows user switching to Linux for the first time. There are loads of distros that fall under the General Desktop and are being developed specifically to welcome the masses to Linux. It's also good to remember that in the grand scheme of things you can't even compare Fedora to any other OS. It's in a league of it's own. Why is it in it's own league? Besides fostering community and freedom as a core value, the Fedora project also strives to create advanced technology. That removes Fedora from worry about Market share. As long as great stuff happens with the code and everyone is glad to be part of the team, what more can you ask for? ~Karlie -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: A Public Awareness Campaign for Fedora!!!
On 10/15/07, Markus McLaughlin wrote: Recently I posted on my blog, a challenge. How can Fedora be BETTER than MAC OS X? On 10/15/07, jkeating wrote: Define better. Jesse is right here, you need to define better. On 10/15/07, Karlie Robinson wrote: Fedora wouldn't be what it is without many people joining together to create something positive. Pitting one OS against others creates battle lines and has a dividing effect. This is true. Since Fedora * is the upstream of many Linux distributions. * has many other projects besides being a Linux distribution. Campaigning for Fedora is a good start for any contributor. But one should be aware of minimum: * what is Fedora (as linux distribution)? * what is the Fedora Project? * what are outcome of each Fedora projects? * how people from different countries communicate at the Fedora project (Mailing list, planet.fedoraproject.org,irc..) and eventually meet up in real life to plan something big. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Thus one will eventually : * find where to contribute at the Fedora Project. * know how to market Fedora (there are many resources on the wiki). * know how Fedora contributors(RHcommunity) take decisions together. * see where he/she will take advantage of his/her own contributions. Then afterwards campaigning for Fedora will be easy for anyone. I understand that these might be boring, but have played a crucial role in community development and successful outcomes. If one wants to market fedora, he/she should be able to answer questions (from the public) related to Fedora. Read Fedora wiki, understand the features of fedora or exciting news. Blog these items and _praise_ the outcome of fedora. Show how upstreams or any other distributions had taken advantage of fedora's contributions. Attacking randomly and anyone will only create troubles. The following links contains some materials used to promote fedora http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon regards, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
We need more excitement
More CAPS and OS/Distro wars!one!!!eleven Robert 'Bob' Jensen -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.
On 10/15/07, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: The fact that Ubuntu has bigger numbers is due in part to the fact that it is easier to install than Fedora although that is changing. Haha this is funny. I know many ubuntu/kubuntu users with more than 5 unofficial repositories. Is this simple ??? Please define a time when it was simple. Before FC1 ? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: New Meeting Minute Format
Forgive my not sending kudos to the whole list. If I were a more regular contributor I'd feel more confident that doing so was the right thing. I REALLY like the HTML formatting. Color coding each participant makes it MUCH faster to read and make sense of the discussion. Well done! There are rather a lot of meetings for which that kind of transformation would be quite useful. Thanks for doing it, and making the translator into a program so others can make it happen easily. -Bill William Cattey Linux Platform Coordinator MIT Information Services Technology N42-040M, 617-253-0140, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://web.mit.edu/wdc/www/ On Oct 13, 2007, at 4:08 PM, John Babich wrote: I am trying a new meeting minutes format for the Fedora Marketing meetings, based on the Fedora Docs Steering Commitee procedure. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings/Minutes and http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing/Meetings/Minutes/ IRCLog20071013. The HTML version of the IRC uses a clever Python script call irclog2html.py. Unfortunately, I had to use Chatzilla, instead of my usual IRC client, so I was unable to capture the timestamp. Let me know what you all think of it. If we like it, I will clean up the rest of the pages in this section. John Babich Volunteer, Fedora Project -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
Re: Fedora: Freedom is a Feature.
On Mon, 2007-10-15 at 22:25 +0200, Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: On 10/15/07, Marc Wiriadisastra wrote: The fact that Ubuntu has bigger numbers is due in part to the fact that it is easier to install than Fedora although that is changing. Haha this is funny. I know many ubuntu/kubuntu users with more than 5 unofficial repositories. Is this simple ??? Please define a time when it was simple. Before FC1 ? Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com It is simple Chitlesh in the sense that you can install ubuntu from windows. Someone puts in the CD and it sets up the installation of linux. The non-free stuff is out of the box. Generally makes life easier. The 5 unofficial repositories I've only heard of 1 thats not to say that there aren't more but those users are a rarity I think. I can setup 4 extra repositories in Fedora as well but I would be a rarity. Marc -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list Fedora-marketing-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list
