[filmscanners] RE: ADMIN: was RE: Density vs Dynamic rangeAUSTIN (2a) - To the MODERATOR
Thanks Tony. Everybody on the List knows how hard you work so no complaints on that, and I would apologize if I offended you in any manner in my original posting. Now it is down to people's self-consciousness to realize that this List isn't the very appropriate place for such long and annoying threads going off-topic more and more. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] ADMIN: was RE: Density vs Dynamic rangeAUSTIN (2a) - To the MODERATOR On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 05:12:58 +0200 Alex Zabrovsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Austin and Isidoro, thanks for your support of my point of view, but I see this thread isn't going to be shut down. I wonder where is our Moderator disappeared. A while ago I accidently raised up some issue doesn't related to the List topic just by one email and was almost trashed by the Moderator, but in this case, spoiling the List's bandwidth heavily almost nobody cares. The moderator is up to his neck in real-life problems right now. When under pressure, which has been considerable lately, list admin has to take priority over participating here usefully. I got 3hrs sleep last night, so please excuse the rather ratty following response:- Look, mailing lists are very simple: - world-class pedantry, circular quibbling over terminology, and simply being crushingly boring are not against the rules of this forum because someone (me, probably) would have to make an editorial decision about every single message. Which would generate howls of 'censorship!' and 'hey, I was interested in that', and I'd be rightly criticised. I don't have the time either. - where a thread descends into abuse or hatred, I will put a stop to it immediately. But I can't invigilate against what I might consider egotism or self-indulgence, especially when on-topic. People are grown-up enough to formulate their own opinions, and make their own decisions about what to do. - even the most tedious thread has a finite lifespan. It will go away if and when people start ignoring it. Starting several new OT threads is less effective than (as a few sensible people have) mailing me personally off-list. This gives me a chance to measure disaffection. And please guard against the 'must have the last word' syndrome - it doesn't matter who does. - the solution to lack of content you find interesting is to ask the questions you want answered, raise the points you want discussed - as the driver of your own email software, you can far better than I can whether or not to read or delete or ignore anything that doesn't interest you - I am not preventing anyone from leaving this list. As far as I knew (until as posted here yesterday) the listserver was correctly processing unsubscribe mails. I now have more work to do trying to trace whatever malfunction caused the server to deny the list existed. Since 14/6 to 19/6 it processed 2 subscribes and 6 unsubscribes correctly, so it may have been some transient error. But if anyone wants to leave and finds they cannot, please mail me personally - [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will remove you manually. - Finally, can I ask the posters to the Density vs Dynamic range thread to please wind it up within 48hrs, unless there is something fresh to be said. And please can we end this discussion here too. Regards Tony Sleep http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio exhibit; + film scanner info comparisons Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: OT: leben list
You're right, I missed that. I've been reading the archives over at Digital BW, The Print. Hours later, I've finally checked my Inbox. Thanks for noticing (not that we can fix it). Glenn - Original Message - From: Robert Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: [filmscanners] OT: leben list Sorry if you find this a bit off topic, but as I've some of your names on overthere, I want to ask if I am the only one not receiving anything from the Leben scan (and Epson) lists since Wednesday (June 19)? Robert Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: OT: leben list
At 04:23 AM 23/06/2002 -0700, you wrote: - Original Message - From: Robert Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: [filmscanners] OT: leben list Sorry if you find this a bit off topic, but as I've some of your names on overthere, I want to ask if I am the only one not receiving anything from the Leben scan (and Epson) lists since Wednesday (June 19)? Robert Both have vanished here (Australia), too. Charles Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: OT: leben list
I am researching the purchase of a new scanner. I am considering the Nikon IV and others. Does anyone have any experience with the Nikon? I am told it has a focusing problem with currved negatives. Where is the Digital BW, The Print site? regards bt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glenn Thureson Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: OT: leben list You're right, I missed that. I've been reading the archives over at Digital BW, The Print. Hours later, I've finally checked my Inbox. Thanks for noticing (not that we can fix it). Glenn - Original Message - From: Robert Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: [filmscanners] OT: leben list Sorry if you find this a bit off topic, but as I've some of your names on overthere, I want to ask if I am the only one not receiving anything from the Leben scan (and Epson) lists since Wednesday (June 19)? Robert Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: OT: leben list
Barry, Ok, your right, but be reasonble, every scanner has problems with curved film (accept a drum scanner I suppose), I'm having a Coolsacn IV and very satisfied with it (manual focus is possible), keep your negs safe and flat as possible. Jan - Original Message - From: barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:15 PM Subject: [filmscanners] RE: OT: leben list I am researching the purchase of a new scanner. I am considering the Nikon IV and others. Does anyone have any experience with the Nikon? I am told it has a focusing problem with currved negatives. Where is the Digital BW, The Print site? regards bt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glenn Thureson Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: OT: leben list You're right, I missed that. I've been reading the archives over at Digital BW, The Print. Hours later, I've finally checked my Inbox. Thanks for noticing (not that we can fix it). Glenn - Original Message - From: Robert Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: [filmscanners] OT: leben list Sorry if you find this a bit off topic, but as I've some of your names on overthere, I want to ask if I am the only one not receiving anything from the Leben scan (and Epson) lists since Wednesday (June 19)? Robert Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: OT: leben list
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DigitalBlackandWhiteThePrint/ Glenn - Original Message - From: barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:15 AM Subject: [filmscanners] RE: OT: leben list I am researching the purchase of a new scanner. I am considering the Nikon IV and others. Does anyone have any experience with the Nikon? I am told it has a focusing problem with currved negatives. Where is the Digital BW, The Print site? regards bt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Glenn Thureson Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: OT: leben list You're right, I missed that. I've been reading the archives over at Digital BW, The Print. Hours later, I've finally checked my Inbox. Thanks for noticing (not that we can fix it). Glenn - Original Message - From: Robert Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:33 AM Subject: [filmscanners] OT: leben list Sorry if you find this a bit off topic, but as I've some of your names on overthere, I want to ask if I am the only one not receiving anything from the Leben scan (and Epson) lists since Wednesday (June 19)? Robert Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: ADMIN: was RE: Density vs Dynamic rangeAUSTIN (2a) - ...
I have to say, I have been following this 'debate' from afar. Very afar, because after the first few posts I, frankly, lost interest. However, I also wholehearedly agree with Austin's post here. I do not see how anyone could say that the discussion was off topic for a filmscanner list. Not my cup of tea, but I certainly think it belongs on list for those that are interested. If a topic is uninteresting to me, but still appropriate I just skim the post or outright delete. Anyway, I will probably get flamed for this Howard Proper decorum and respect in discussion is another issue entirely and, frankly, I haven't been following closely in that regard. Please don't interpret my comment as suggesting that any type of decorum can be used assuming that the subject is on topic. Hi Alex, It comes across that you (and some others) somehow believe the Density vs Dynamic Rage thread was off-topic. In fact, it could not be more ON topic. It may not be a topic that (unfortunately ) interests a lot of list members, but it IS an important topic (far more important than a lot of people may understand) that does relate to filmscanners. There are many topics on this, and other lists, that don't please everyone...for one example, I could care less about Viewscan and Nikon scanners (although some of the discussion about Nikon scanners does interest me), but they ARE related to film scanners, and do belong here...except when this group becomes a Viewscan support group...now that's out of line IMO. I believe this group is everything from how do I turn my scanner on to what is the spectral response of the LEDs in the Nikon 8000ED scanner...it's all about filmscanners. Regards, Austin Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: ADMIN: was RE: Density vs Dynamic rangeAUSTIN(2a) - ...
Oh no! Let's not start a long debate about whether it was On or Off topic! Can we not let this item rest in peace? Don At 06:58 PM 23/06/2002 -0400, you wrote: I have to say, I have been following this 'debate' from afar. Very afar, because after the first few posts I, frankly, lost interest. However, I also wholehearedly agree with Austin's post here. I do not see how anyone could say that the discussion was off topic for a filmscanner list. Not my cup of tea, but I certainly think it belongs on list for those that are interested. If a topic is uninteresting to me, but still appropriate I just skim the post or outright delete. Anyway, I will probably get flamed for this Howard Proper decorum and respect in discussion is another issue entirely and, frankly, I haven't been following closely in that regard. Please don't interpret my comment as suggesting that any type of decorum can be used assuming that the subject is on topic. Hi Alex, It comes across that you (and some others) somehow believe the Density vs Dynamic Rage thread was off-topic. In fact, it could not be more ON topic. It may not be a topic that (unfortunately ) interests a lot of list members, but it IS an important topic (far more important than a lot of people may understand) that does relate to filmscanners. There are many topics on this, and other lists, that don't please everyone...for one example, I could care less about Viewscan and Nikon scanners (although some of the discussion about Nikon scanners does interest me), but they ARE related to film scanners, and do belong here...except when this group becomes a Viewscan support group...now that's out of line IMO. I believe this group is everything from how do I turn my scanner on to what is the spectral response of the LEDs in the Nikon 8000ED scanner...it's all about filmscanners. Regards, Austin --- - Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: [filmscanners_Digest] filmscanners Digest for Mon 24 Jun, 2002
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 6:00 PM Subject: [filmscanners_Digest] filmscanners Digest for Mon 24 Jun, 2002 Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 09:15:45 -0400 From: barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am researching the purchase of a new scanner. I am considering the Nikon IV and others. Does anyone have any experience with the Nikon? I am told it has a focusing problem with currved negatives. bt I have quite a few negatives that are bowed as much as 1/16 inch. In fact the SA-21 won't load them. However, once I use the strip film holder, the LS-40 has no difficulty getting a good scan. Perhaps you are thinking of the Coolscan 8000 which may have troubles with the medium format stock. Jim Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
