Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:25 PM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: You replace one vested group (people already regularly editing the host wiki) with another (people who split off to found the new wiki). both run the risk of 'groupthink' and founder effects. The plan is not to replace one group with another. I recognize the challenges in starting new Wikis, and I appreciate the specific issues that people have surfaced in this discussion. I am constantly pushing people to think about collaborative tools as physical spaces, which means that introducing new tools is akin to creating new rooms. It can be laborious to go from room to room, and if people don't find those new rooms compelling, they won't bother going. I think the stated goals will be reason enough for people to participate. Moreover, I think the barrier to bringing existing Wikimedians to a new Wiki is much lower than the barrier of bringing other folks to Meta. If Meta was what Wikimedians pointed to as the model for how a great Wiki community works, I don't think we'd be having this discussion right now. I don't think that's the case. I'm in favor of making Meta better as part of this process. That can come in many different forms, as you suggest, including taking lessons from a new Wiki back to Meta. =Eugene =Eugene -- == Eugene Eric Kim http://xri.net/=eekim Blue Oxen Associates http://www.blueoxen.com/ == ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad
Hoi, I was at the Tropenmuseum the other day .. they said that this commercial notion is old hat.. Sharing collections, engaging the public is what ensures the future of museums. So I am hopeful that the Tropenmuseum is right and will prove to be so. The thing is they do not need to be right everywhere and at this moment.. I expect that this notion will grow as the benefits of sharing and engaging become clear. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/21 wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk David Gerard wrote: 2009/7/21 wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk: If you have a personal use, want to illustrating an article or blog that is not Adsense rich, have an academic use, or a small scale fundraising non-profit fine take what you want. If on the other hand you are share cropping with Google Ads, using the images to tart up an otherwise tawdry commercial web site, are involved in online selling, are a commercial advertising or publishing house, then kiss my arse. The NC license serves very well. Certainly. I don't release every pic I take under a free license ... hardly any of them, actually. For Wikimedia purposes, though, one has to really let it free. I only ever release under an NC license, so the wildlife photos, architectural, historical, and medieval art images appear on academic and educational sites, sites like nowpublic, and others, but will never be on wikipedia due to the commercial use licensing policy. Explaining this to professional content creators and media companies leads to exploding heads. Pointing out that giving it all away has made Wikipedia a top-ten website and must be doing all right from it isn't enough to convince them ... it goes so much against everything they think they know about the world. And in turn there are those of us that will not give anything to these media companies. I'll see a company like News International rot in hell first. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Wikipedias follow the ISO 639 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639language code standard, where uk is the code for the Ukrainian language. The chapter sites, however, use the ISO 3166http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166standard for country codes, and ua is the code for the country of Ukraine. (There is however the fact that the ISO 3166 code for the United Kingdom is gb, while uk is unused; our usage however mirrors that of the country code top level domainshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain .) 2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn%27t_it_ ? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) I suggest a hatnote on the main page of the site: This is the website of Wikimedia United Kingdom. For other uses, see uk.wikimedia.org (disambiguation). On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ redirects to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If I remember correctly the first domain was the address of the old Wikimedia UK, and that the second was created by the new chapter. I'd say the .org.uk address is definitely much more recognizable as belonging to a UK organisation, while the uk.wikimedia.org is more confusing; furthermore, being a foundation-owned domain (at least I guess), there may be the issue of the separation of WMF and WM-UK. As regards the confusion between language and country codes, I remember that the Breton wikipedia (br-wp) used to receive a lot of materials in Portuguese from people from Brazil (citation needed), whose country code is .br. This is not really up to us, just wanted to point it out. Cruccone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hi Jon, Thanks a lot for promt and informative (so valuable) input. Regarding Wikipedias follow the ISO 639 language code standard and The chapter sites, however, use the ISO 3166 standard for country codes, all WPs and all chapters have to do that very strictly and same way, aren't they (that's us ;) ) ? Regarding ... our usage however mirrors that of the country code top level domainshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain seems not really applicable to situation except for http://wikimedia.org.uk which is not disputable same as http://wikimedia.org.uk (yes, again same as :) ) So it seems logical (including Nikola Smolenski thought) that one and only fair usage for http://uk.wikimedia.org is to serve for placement of informative disabiguation page as ... uk is unused; 2009/7/22 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com: Wikipedias follow the ISO 639 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_639language code standard, where uk is the code for the Ukrainian language. The chapter sites, however, use the ISO 3166http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166standard for country codes, and ua is the code for the country of Ukraine. (There is however the fact that the ISO 3166 code for the United Kingdom is gb, while uk is unused; our usage however mirrors that of the country code top level domainshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain .) 2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn%27t_it_ ? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Cruccone, I can confirm what you've said about Brazilian Portuguese, although I don't know that I'd characterise it as a lot. Back in older times before there was much Breton content there, the domain was squatted by people who would have liked to have a separate WP for Brazilian Portuguese (instead of using pt-wp for all varieties) but I think there were perhaps a maximum of about 50 articles in Portuguese. A similar situation occurred with Swiss German material at ch-wp (intended for the Chamorro language) Mark On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Marco Chiesachiesa.ma...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ redirects to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If I remember correctly the first domain was the address of the old Wikimedia UK, and that the second was created by the new chapter. I'd say the .org.uk address is definitely much more recognizable as belonging to a UK organisation, while the uk.wikimedia.org is more confusing; furthermore, being a foundation-owned domain (at least I guess), there may be the issue of the separation of WMF and WM-UK. As regards the confusion between language and country codes, I remember that the Breton wikipedia (br-wp) used to receive a lot of materials in Portuguese from people from Brazil (citation needed), whose country code is .br. This is not really up to us, just wanted to point it out. Cruccone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used .yu. So, sr.wikipedia.org is the proper name for Wikipedia in Serbian. rs.wikimedia.org is the proper name for Wikimedia Serbia site. However, we have a mailing list wikimediasr-l, which is used as a generic public list for all projects in Serbian, not for Wikimedia Serbia. And in some not so near future we'll have to solve this. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Yes same issue for Sinhala (of Sri Lanka) and the country code for Slovenia - SI or Burmese and Malaysia - MY or Virgin Islands and Vietnamese - VI. I'm sure there are several other cases as well. Mark On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used .yu. So, sr.wikipedia.org is the proper name for Wikipedia in Serbian. rs.wikimedia.org is the proper name for Wikimedia Serbia site. However, we have a mailing list wikimediasr-l, which is used as a generic public list for all projects in Serbian, not for Wikimedia Serbia. And in some not so near future we'll have to solve this. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] EN Wikizine - Year: 2009 Week: 30 Number: 112
** ____ _ __ _ / / /\ \ (_) | _(_)___(_)_ __ ___ \ \/ \/ / | |/ / |_ / | '_ \ / _ \ \ /\ /| | | |/ /| | | | | __/ \/ \/ |_|_|\_\_/___|_|_| |_|\___| .org Year: 2009 Week: 30 Number: 112 ** An independent internal news bulletin for the members of the Wikimedia community // === Technical news === [Media server problems] - there were some media load problems on all the sites, which caused extreme slowness or temporary inaccessibility. The sysadmins took advantage of this downtime to redo the way we access media files internally which will help reduce the impact on the rest of the site when load problems on the file servers occur, and also spreads out the load among multiple servers to improve things even more. They had to shut off all uploads for a while to get this done! http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/07/intermittent-media-server-load-problems/ http://techblog.wikimedia.org/2009/07/uploads-temporarily-offline-for-site-fix/ [Wikipedia Weekly interviews the Usability Team] - Wikipedia Weekly, a podcast for and by Wikimedians, interviewed the Usability team. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikipediaWeekly/Episode76 http://wikipediaweekly.org/2009/07/09/episode-76-usability/ [MediaWiki:Sharedupload change] - MediaWiki:Sharedupload became MediaWiki:Sharedupload-desc-here. Admins in other projects should rename the first one to the second in order to customize messages for images from Commons. (That's the text shown when a Commons image is shown on another project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Doorknob_buddhist_temple_detail_amk.jpg ) === Request for help === [Translation of the week] -- the Translation of the Week needs help! If you speak another language and would like to translate History of pizza into your language, TOTW is for you. ;-) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_of_the_week === Foundation === [Board elections] - the candidate deadline for the elections to the Board of Trustees has been extended to July 27 due to some technical issues for which the CentralNotice had to be turned off. The questioning of the candidates has also begun and translation is ongoing. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2009/Candidates -- candidates http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2009/Candidates/Questions -- questions http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2009/Translation -- translation [New Strategic Planning Staff] - the Foundation announced that they filled two positions for their Strategic Planning project. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-July/053165.html -- project manager http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2009-July/053168.html -- facilitator [National Portrait Gallery] - the English National Portrait Gallery (NPG) in London (UK) has threatened to sue a U.S. citizen, Derrick Coetzee. The legal letter followed claims that he had breached the Gallery's copyright in several thousand photographs of works of art uploaded to the Wikimedia Commons, a free online media repository. More information in the extremely detailed Wikinews article. *Update*: The WMF and NPG have entered into good-faith negotiations, according to Erik Moeller. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/U.K._National_Portrait_Gallery_threatens_U.S._citizen_with_legal_action_over_Wikimedia_images http://blog.wikimedia.org/2009/07/16/protecting-the-public-domain-and-sharing-our-cultural-heritage/ -- WMF blog post http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2009-07-13/Copyright_threat -- summary by the signpost [Academy: NIH] - the Wikimedia Foundation announced and had its first Wikipedia Academy (outreach event to teach people to become contributors) in the United States this week. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/NIH_and_WMF_announce_first_WP_Academy_July_2009 -- press release http://twitter.com/#search?q=%23nihwiki -- twitter coverage from the event http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Academy/NIH_2009 -- project writeup [Advisory Board changes] - Angela, chair of the Advisory Board, has updated the Advisory Board page to show that 8 members have left, bringing the current total to 15 advisory board members. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/?diff=39660 [Fundraising 2008: Post-Mortem] - Rand Montoya, the Foundation's Head of Community Giving, has posed a post-mortem (basically what went wrong, what went right and what can we do better?) on the 2008 Fundraising Drive. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2008#Post_Mortem_for_the_2008_Annual_Fundraiser === Community === [Board elections: Inspiration] - some Wikimedians suggested that it might be better if prospective candidates knew *why* they should run for board member; what's it
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
I'm sure there are several other cases as well. I'm quite sure that was the main reason to pick this issue up to this mailing list. It seems that it's high time to create some page on Meta to place whole list there and to collect there precedents how such issue were solved. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote: Yes same issue for Sinhala (of Sri Lanka) and the country code for Slovenia - SI or Burmese and Malaysia - MY or Virgin Islands and Vietnamese - VI. I'm sure there are several other cases as well. Mark On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 5:29 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used .yu. So, sr.wikipedia.org is the proper name for Wikipedia in Serbian. rs.wikimedia.org is the proper name for Wikimedia Serbia site. However, we have a mailing list wikimediasr-l, which is used as a generic public list for all projects in Serbian, not for Wikimedia Serbia. And in some not so near future we'll have to solve this. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hoi, If you are going to solve this, then it is the cheapest not to wait. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com Wikimedia Serbia and Serbian language projects have similar problem with Suriname: The code for Serbian language is sr, while the code for Serbia is rs. It is interesting that .sr code was one of the preferred codes for some Serbian sites for a long time: it is free and for a long time Serbia used .yu. So, sr.wikipedia.org is the proper name for Wikipedia in Serbian. rs.wikimedia.org is the proper name for Wikimedia Serbia site. However, we have a mailing list wikimediasr-l, which is used as a generic public list for all projects in Serbian, not for Wikimedia Serbia. And in some not so near future we'll have to solve this. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia-Canada] Canadian copyrights
Thanks for this reminder. I've been putting together a submission myself and I'd urge others to do the same. If you're not sure where to begin, michaelgeist.ca has some excellent discussion of where Canadian copyright law should be headed. In addition to individual submissions, what are the chances that as a group, the Wikimedia Canada folks could put together a submission. It obviously couldn't be official, but as a group of citizens involved in setting up an organization that will be interested in Canadian copyright issues, I think it makes sense to draft something. Thanks, -Mike On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 15:55 -0700, Ray Saintonge wrote: The Canadian government has asked for comments on copyright revision at http://copyright.econsultation.ca/ It will accept comments until September 13. Amazingly this mostly coincides with the time when most people interested in liberalized copyright laws are away touring Europe or planting trees. When they regain access to their electronic lifelines it may be too late to comment. Promoters of these changes would really like Canada to fall in line with the WIPO treaty that it signed a decade ago. They might have passed their changes easily if they had been quick about it, but events over the last 10 years have made this much more controversial then they would have hoped. There do not appear to be any rules that would prohibit comments by non-Canadians. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
2009/7/22 Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ redirects to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If I remember correctly the first domain was the address of the old Wikimedia UK, and that the second was created by the new chapter. I'd say the .org.uk address is definitely much more recognizable as belonging to a UK organisation, while the uk.wikimedia.org is more confusing; furthermore, being a foundation-owned domain (at least I guess), there may be the issue of the separation of WMF and WM-UK. At the moment the site is hosted by the WMF so is at a WMF domain, our domain redirects to that. At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. It might make sense to put a note at the top of the main page linking to the Ukrainian Wikipedia. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] new survey of digital collection copyrights
Relevant to the NPG et al discussion: Unless Otherwise Indicated: A Survey of Copyright Statements on Digital Library Collections, by Melanie Schlosser. published in College and Research Libraries, v.70(4), pp371-385 (July 2009). Unfortunately it's not freely available online, but if you have access to a good university library you should be able to get it. Here's the abstract and some excerpts: Abstract: This study examines the copyright statements attached to digital collections created by members of the Digital Library Federation. A total of 786 collections at twenty-nine institutions were examined for the presence of statements and their content evaluated for common themes. Particular attention was paid to whether the institutions in question are meeting their obligation to educate users about their rights by including information about fair use and the public domain. Approximately half the collections surveyed had copyright statements, and those statements were often difficult to distinguish from terms of use and were frequently vague or misleading. Snippets of interest to our discussions: Of the collections examined, 41% consisted entirely of public domain items; 51% of these had a copyright statement, but only 10% of the institutions mentioned public domain implicitly or explicitly in their statement. 86%, however, mentioned personal or educational use (which is not relevant to public domain items). Of the collections of copyrighted items, 48% had some sort of statement; 8% mentioned fair use explicitly while 53% mentioned personal or educational use. In general, the copyright status of a collection did not affect whether or not a copyright statement was present -- only half of the collections had statements overall, and no institution was consistent in its labeling. And: Quite a few public domain and mixed [copyright status] collections had Creative Commons licenses or specific or vague ownership statements, implying that the contents are copyrighted in some way. It was especially common for statements to acknowledge that the institution does not hold the copyright to the original item (either because it had passed into the public domain or because the copyright was held by a third party) but to assert copyright over the digital image. Schlosser notes that The definition of a 'copyright statement' used by this study was somewhat arbitrary. Many of the statements examined were buried in collection descriptions or looked more like terms of use statements than copyright statements. She concludes that It seems unlikely that libraries are purposely deceiving users with false or misleading claims of copyright ownership (copyfraud). However, this study presents evidence that, far from educating users about copyright or promoting the public domain, many libraries engaged in digitization projects are omitting a key tool for copyright education or using it in ways that undermine users’ needs for accurate copyright information. Once again, it is outside the scope of this paper to examine the reasons. It is possible that working knowledge of copyright law in many libraries is not sufficient for grappling with the complexities involved or that the issue has simply slipped through the cracks as libraries embark on difficult and resource-intensive digitization projects. Note this article is U.S. institution and law-centric, but gives some nice background on copyright changes and the actions and position of libraries. As Schlosser says, While users push for more content and functionality at less cost, and copyright holders demand greater technological and legal protection for their works, libraries are often caught in the middle. -- phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Re: [Foundation-l] new survey of digital collection copyrights
Preprint: http://www.ala.org/ala//mgrps/divs/acrl/publications/crljournal/preprints/Schlosser.pdf On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:55 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.comwrote: Relevant to the NPG et al discussion: Unless Otherwise Indicated: A Survey of Copyright Statements on Digital Library Collections, by Melanie Schlosser. published in College and Research Libraries, v.70(4), pp371-385 (July 2009). Unfortunately it's not freely available online, but if you have access to a good university library you should be able to get it. Here's the abstract and some excerpts: Abstract: This study examines the copyright statements attached to digital collections created by members of the Digital Library Federation. A total of 786 collections at twenty-nine institutions were examined for the presence of statements and their content evaluated for common themes. Particular attention was paid to whether the institutions in question are meeting their obligation to educate users about their rights by including information about fair use and the public domain. Approximately half the collections surveyed had copyright statements, and those statements were often difficult to distinguish from terms of use and were frequently vague or misleading. Snippets of interest to our discussions: Of the collections examined, 41% consisted entirely of public domain items; 51% of these had a copyright statement, but only 10% of the institutions mentioned public domain implicitly or explicitly in their statement. 86%, however, mentioned personal or educational use (which is not relevant to public domain items). Of the collections of copyrighted items, 48% had some sort of statement; 8% mentioned fair use explicitly while 53% mentioned personal or educational use. In general, the copyright status of a collection did not affect whether or not a copyright statement was present -- only half of the collections had statements overall, and no institution was consistent in its labeling. And: Quite a few public domain and mixed [copyright status] collections had Creative Commons licenses or specific or vague ownership statements, implying that the contents are copyrighted in some way. It was especially common for statements to acknowledge that the institution does not hold the copyright to the original item (either because it had passed into the public domain or because the copyright was held by a third party) but to assert copyright over the digital image. Schlosser notes that The definition of a 'copyright statement' used by this study was somewhat arbitrary. Many of the statements examined were buried in collection descriptions or looked more like terms of use statements than copyright statements. She concludes that It seems unlikely that libraries are purposely deceiving users with false or misleading claims of copyright ownership (copyfraud). However, this study presents evidence that, far from educating users about copyright or promoting the public domain, many libraries engaged in digitization projects are omitting a key tool for copyright education or using it in ways that undermine users’ needs for accurate copyright information. Once again, it is outside the scope of this paper to examine the reasons. It is possible that working knowledge of copyright law in many libraries is not sufficient for grappling with the complexities involved or that the issue has simply slipped through the cracks as libraries embark on difficult and resource-intensive digitization projects. Note this article is U.S. institution and law-centric, but gives some nice background on copyright changes and the actions and position of libraries. As Schlosser says, While users push for more content and functionality at less cost, and copyright holders demand greater technological and legal protection for their works, libraries are often caught in the middle. -- phoebe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
... At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. Anyhow is it possible to have some explicit estimation about when at some point could happen? It might make sense to put a note at the top of the main page linking to the Ukrainian Wikipedia. I do believe that it's both quite possible and useful to put such note at the top of Wikimedia UK main page let me ask one sorta side question: Now, when Wikimedia UK wiki is hosted on WMF resources you have a luxury of SUL support. Do you have any idea whether it will be still possible when you will move to your own server(s)? On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:54 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/22 Marco Chiesa chiesa.ma...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? I've noticed that http://www.wikimedia.org.uk/ redirects to http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page If I remember correctly the first domain was the address of the old Wikimedia UK, and that the second was created by the new chapter. I'd say the .org.uk address is definitely much more recognizable as belonging to a UK organisation, while the uk.wikimedia.org is more confusing; furthermore, being a foundation-owned domain (at least I guess), there may be the issue of the separation of WMF and WM-UK. At the moment the site is hosted by the WMF so is at a WMF domain, our domain redirects to that. At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. It might make sense to put a note at the top of the main page linking to the Ukrainian Wikipedia. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: ... At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. I'm not sure how the WMF servers are set up, it might be possible to direct our domain directly at their servers... Worth looking into. Anyhow is it possible to have some explicit estimation about when at some point could happen? Not really. It depends on both when we have the funds to do it (hopefully in the next year) and when we feel we would gain significantly from it (which could be longer - at the moment the WMF's setup works perfectly well for us). let me ask one sorta side question: Now, when Wikimedia UK wiki is hosted on WMF resources you have a luxury of SUL support. Do you have any idea whether it will be still possible when you will move to your own server(s)? Good question. I don't know. I would guess not - it would require our servers to have a connection to the WMF database server... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. I'm not sure how the WMF servers are set up, it might be possible to direct our domain directly at their servers... Worth looking into. Please look into as move to own servers will not be in nearest weeks. As to the best of my understanding: * domain name management is separate (from hosting) thing. * technically both uk.wikimedia.org and wikimedia.org.uk are very similar things. Now (according to your explanation) uk.wikimedia.org is linked to your chapter wiki (using IP address I guess), while wikimedia.org.uk is redirection to former. There should not be any real problem to link wikimedia.org.uk directly to Wikimedia UK chapter wiki (wherever it's hosted). On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: ... At some point we will probably want to set up our own server(s) and then the confusion will be eliminated. I don't get it why elimination depends on hosting. I'm not sure how the WMF servers are set up, it might be possible to direct our domain directly at their servers... Worth looking into. Anyhow is it possible to have some explicit estimation about when at some point could happen? Not really. It depends on both when we have the funds to do it (hopefully in the next year) and when we feel we would gain significantly from it (which could be longer - at the moment the WMF's setup works perfectly well for us). let me ask one sorta side question: Now, when Wikimedia UK wiki is hosted on WMF resources you have a luxury of SUL support. Do you have any idea whether it will be still possible when you will move to your own server(s)? Good question. I don't know. I would guess not - it would require our servers to have a connection to the WMF database server... ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hi Pavlo, I'm glad this issue has risen up here and I'm sure the United Kingdom and Ukraine chapters can come up with something together that solves this rather - Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 10:26:02 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: There should not be any real problem to link wikimedia.org.uk directly to Wikimedia UK chapter wiki (wherever it's hosted). It depends on how the WMF has everything set up. They have a complicated setup for hosting multiple wikis, it may well be hard-coded that they all use the WMF domains. I'm cross-posting this to wikitech-l, hopefully someone there can clarify the situation. Can a wiki hosted on the WMF servers use a non-WMF domain? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
- Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote: I suggest a hatnote on the main page of the site: This is the website of Wikimedia United Kingdom. For other uses, see uk.wikimedia.org (disambiguation). I've added a hatnote in the meantime redirecting users to UK-WP and WM-UA. -- Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hi Pavlo, I'm glad this issue has risen up here and I'm sure the United Kingdom and Ukraine chapters can come up with something together that solves this to both chapters satisfaction. Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Regards, Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. - Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 10:26:02 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Hi Andrew, Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Shure, we *have to* :) do so No sense to bother everybody by details. Pavlo Shevelo On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Andrew Turveyandrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Pavlo, I'm glad this issue has risen up here and I'm sure the United Kingdom and Ukraine chapters can come up with something together that solves this to both chapters satisfaction. Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Regards, Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. - Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, 22 July, 2009 10:26:02 GMT +00:00 GMT Britain, Ireland, Portugal Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon Hello Teofilo, I appreciate a lot that you rose up this issue of confusion (I was planning to do that myself a bit later). I'm from Ukrainian WP (recently - from WMF chapter for Ukraine as well) and I've met many times those confusions/misunderstandings starting from http://uk.wikipedia.org vs. http://uk.wikimedia.org I'm sure that this issue deserves some portion of attention thorough brainstorming ;) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everybody; This is to say that I have written a piece on this topic at : http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#uk.wikimedia.org_is_Wikimedia_Ukraine,_isn't_it_? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Andrew Turvey Secretary Wikimedia UK Wikimedia UK is the operating name of Wiki UK Limited. Wiki UK Ltd is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. The Registered Office is at 23 Cartwright Way, Nottingham, NG9 1RL, United Kingdom. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pavlo Shevelo wrote: Hi Andrew, Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Shure, we *have to* :) do so No sense to bother everybody by details. Pavlo Shevelo How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkpnbbMACgkQyQg4JSymDYn7oQCeL+p3WSIU7rng9sqjvuBZlTOz eX0An1p00S90+NmF0D2IECmUz2iNYHbc =IcGA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? What for? (: To arrange mailing between two chapters? :) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:51 PM, Cary Bassc...@wikimedia.org wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Pavlo Shevelo wrote: Hi Andrew, Could we take this offline and start a bilateral discussion rather than doing this via an open mailing list. Shure, we *have to* :) do so No sense to bother everybody by details. Pavlo Shevelo How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkpnbbMACgkQyQg4JSymDYn7oQCeL+p3WSIU7rng9sqjvuBZlTOz eX0An1p00S90+NmF0D2IECmUz2iNYHbc =IcGA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: How about a new mailing list. Wikimedia-uk-uk-l ? What for? (: To arrange mailing between two chapters? :) I meant for my post to be humours, but I failed to include my :-) ! -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad
Peter Gervai wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:05, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Peter Gervai wrote: Usually I do not get it why people choose NC licenses all the time while there's usually a low probability to actually _lose_ money by making it public. This may come as a shock to you but its not about money. When I take photographs it is in my free time, and outside of the commercial system. If you have a personal use, want to illustrating an article or blog that is not Adsense rich, have an academic use, or a small scale fundraising non-profit fine take what you want. If on the other hand you are share cropping with Google Ads, using the images to tart up an otherwise tawdry commercial web site, are involved in online selling, are a commercial advertising or publishing house, then kiss my arse. The NC license serves very well. That's nonsense, to put it mildly. What you say is basically two things: 1) You do not release your work because you do not want other people to gain on them even that it does not mean any loss for you at all. 2) You do not release your work because you want to prevent certain uses you do not like. As of #1, it is often called envy. You cannot make money from them so nobody else should. Of course you have the right to be envious of others, but then editing WP must be pointless for you, since people may GET RICH (no, really) by your work. I can _sell_ your work for a million bucks on DVD. Anyone could. So, as you phrased: this may be come as a shock for you. This reasoning doesn't really fit to what we're doing here. You seem confused. It has nothing to do with making money. It is all about keeping them free of commercialism. #2 is even more logical, since by publishing anything online means your work could be used on porn sites, war crim sites, whatever you please, including ad-ridden pages. Your NC license wouldn't change a thing for those people who don't care about it. If you want to control your content WP is the NIGHTMARE for you, since anything could be used almost anywhere, really, legally. I can create copy of WP with an ad for every even line, plus the full sideborders, and it'd be legal and okay. And so it would even if you didn't use a free license. Facts cannot be copyrighted only the specific expression can (maybe). The CC license that is applied to each page is useless, because the facts cannot be copyrighted anyone that alters, transforms, or builds upon the facts presented can do so anyway without any regard to the license. The license only applies to verbatim copying of the pages. Which, other that Adsense scrapping has limited commercial potential, its not as if someone is going to print and sell 100 bound copies of the article on NURBS. Additionally, one should point out that as the articles are crowd sourced, if you didn't license the verbatim copies under a free license, anyone that wanted to reuse them would have to clear the rights with all the article editors. IOW the verbatim copies can only be reused because they are under a CC-BY license. The free license is actually a necessity of reuse not virtue. Its only the images and other multimedia files, because they can be reused divorced from the articles, that have any commercial potential. The celebrity bio can be got almost anywhere, probably from the celebs own website, or ghosted autobiography. The high resolution photos on the other hand, can be turned into posters, used to illustrate a gossip page, provided as a computer wallpaper to draw fans to a website, ... Put simply its the images that bring in the crowds. So I think people never releasing anything free and sticking to NC lincenses aren't logical, thinking people. I can accept that there are people who make photos for a living, and they do not want to release all work, full resolution due to monetary reasons. But those people who made 50 photos of a person and reject to release any one of them freely just because whatever, well, these people aren't considered thinking enough by my not so humble self. If I take photos of a person there will be some that are quite useless because their expression or posture wasn't quite right, and there will be a whole bunch where any one of which would suffice. Same with a professional photographer who isn't not going to release any of those extras because each one is simply an alternative for that used. (As a sidenote, a NC image can be used in really dirty pages if there's no commercial gain, like nazi propaganda pages, hate pages, etc. There are other long list of reasons why NC is of no use in the long run. Use full copyright and keep the picture rights. If you're lucky the images may be locked 200+ years after your hopefully late death.) The CC-BY license allows that too, so your point is? ___ foundation-l mailing list
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Britain or Ukraine? What UK stands for in Wikimedia jargon
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/22 Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com: There should not be any real problem to link wikimedia.org.uk directly to Wikimedia UK chapter wiki (wherever it's hosted). It depends on how the WMF has everything set up. They have a complicated setup for hosting multiple wikis, it may well be hard-coded that they all use the WMF domains. I'm cross-posting this to wikitech-l, hopefully someone there can clarify the situation. Can a wiki hosted on the WMF servers use a non-WMF domain? Of course it can. There are plenty of domains for Wikimedia wikis, there's no reason you couldn't add as many more as you felt like. Likewise some subdomains of Wikimedia domains are hosted on non-Wikimedia servers. You can point domain names however you like. (Disclaimer: I'm not a shell user, but this is still right. :P) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
