RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Heiko Haida]

 

Hi Tammy, 

I remember that, a long time ago, I had the same problem
with a FM 7.2 installation. 

For reasons I ignore FM created log-files
for any file operation in the windows temp folder, many thousands of
them in only a few months, in the course of which any kind of
file-handling became slower and slower. 

Maybe you could check this.

Unfortunately I do not remember where exactly these files were located
and what extension they had. But if once you know this you can delete
them easily from time to time to regain the usual speed. (-- Other
question would be why these files were produced...) 

Best regards -


Tino H. Haida. Berlin 

Tammy Van Boening: 

 Thank you to everyone
for all their insight into this issue. I have received a myriad of
onlist and offlist responses, and they range from others having
identical issues and not being able to resolve them to some resolution
depending on if you turned off graphics, pods, etc. One interesting
comment that was made to me offlist on a few occasions was that the
problem seemed to really come to the forefront after the last few rounds
of Windows updates, and that is truly something that I have noticed as
well. A few people commented that overall FM 10 response in almost every
aspect was noticeably slowed after this last round of updates and this
was working local or w/ both the files and graphics stored on a network.
For now, I am going to keep all pods closed and be somewhat thankful
that I am pretty keyboard driven for commands (which harks back to my
days on older versions of FM and my age in general J). I really do need
to keep the graphics displayed as I write for a variety of reasons, but
if that ultimately becomes the real showstopper, I will just have to
work my way around that as well. I am sooo tired of all these issues
w/ newer versions of FM. FM 7.2 and 8.0 were just as solid as a rock and
quality just seems to be going downhill exponentially w/ every
subsequent release. 
 
 Thanks so much again everyone. 
 
 Regards,

 
 TVB
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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Heiko Haida]

Hi Tammy, 

I remember that, a long time ago, I had the same problem
with a FM 7.2 installation. 

For reasons I ignore FM created log-files
for any file operation in the windows temp folder, many thousands of
them in only a few months, in the course of which any kind of
file-handling became slower and slower. 

Maybe you could check this.

Unfortunately I do not remember where exactly these files were located
and what extension they had. But if once you know this you can delete
them easily from time to time to regain the usual speed. (-- Other
question would be why these files were produced...) 

Best regards -


Tino H. Haida. Berlin 

Tammy Van Boening: 

> Thank you to everyone
for all their insight into this issue. I have received a myriad of
onlist and offlist responses, and they range from others having
identical issues and not being able to resolve them to some resolution
depending on if you turned off graphics, pods, etc. One interesting
comment that was made to me offlist on a few occasions was that the
problem seemed to really come to the forefront after the last few rounds
of Windows updates, and that is truly something that I have noticed as
well. A few people commented that overall FM 10 response in almost every
aspect was noticeably slowed after this last round of updates and this
was working local or w/ both the files and graphics stored on a network.
For now, I am going to keep all pods closed and be somewhat thankful
that I am pretty keyboard driven for commands (which harks back to my
days on older versions of FM and my age in general J). I really do need
to keep the graphics displayed as I write for a variety of reasons, but
if that ultimately becomes the real showstopper, I will just have to
work my way around that as well. I am sooo tired of all these issues
w/ newer versions of FM. FM 7.2 and 8.0 were just as solid as a rock and
quality just seems to be going downhill exponentially w/ every
subsequent release. 
> 
> Thanks so much again everyone. 
> 
> Regards,

> 
> TVB

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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Hello Tammy,

I imagine that someone has suggested this already but for speeding up temporary 
navigation (e.g. if you need to zoom down to 25%), use View-Options and 
uncheck graphics. This makes all graphics disappear. You can arrive at your 
destination more swiftly and then reverse the process (e.g. check graphics) 
so you can view the image as you write.

The keyboard short cut is ALT v o --

Other remote possibility of speed issues is if you have checked Save 
FrameImage with Imported Graphics under Preferences.

I still have FM7.2 loaded (for testing comparison) on my personal WinXP 
machine. I have noticed that even that older version of FM runs slower than it 
did when new due to the many successive WinXP upgrades. I speculate that 
there may be some connection. The PC environment has changed considerably since 
FM7 and FM8 were released.



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:33 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

Thank you to everyone for all their insight into this issue. I have received a 
myriad of onlist and offlist responses, and they range from others having 
identical issues and not being able to resolve them to some resolution 
depending on if you turned off graphics, pods, etc. One interesting comment 
that was made to me offlist on a few occasions was that the problem seemed to 
really come to the forefront after the last few rounds of Windows updates, and 
that is truly something that I have noticed as well.  A few people commented 
that overall FM 10 response in almost every aspect was noticeably slowed after 
this last round of updates and this was working local or w/ both the files and 
graphics stored on a network.  For now, I am going to keep all pods closed and 
be somewhat thankful that I am pretty keyboard driven for commands (which harks 
back to my days on older versions of FM and my age in general :)). I really do 
need to keep the graphics displayed as I write for a variety of reasons, but if 
that ultimately becomes the real showstopper, I will just have to work my way 
around that as well.  I am sooo tired of all these issues w/ newer versions 
of FM. FM 7.2 and 8.0 were just as solid as a rock and quality just seems to be 
going downhill exponentially w/ every subsequent release.

Thanks so much again everyone.

Regards,

TVB

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]
 On Behalf Of Keith Soltys
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:55 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

I'm surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit Windows 
only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it's something like 3.2 GB).

Regards
Keith

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 On Behalf Of Art  Karen Braun
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu

Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in response 
time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is still room for 
improvement.

ajb

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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Keith/Jeremy,

I did an upgrade on such a configuration from 4 GB to 8GB, and noticed a 
startling increase in performance with OUTLOOK. Newer OS's are thirsty.



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Keith Soltys
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:52 AM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith; Framers Mailing List (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

I think the memory issue came up in response to some else who posted in the 
thread about having a similar issue with FM11. They were running Win7 32-bit 
and performance had improved when they upgraded from 4 GB to 8 GB RAM.

Regards
Keith

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
 Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:46 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

 On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:51:26 -0700, Dov Isaacs
  isa...@adobe.com wrote:

 Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker is a 32-bit 
 application, performance may significantly improve with additional 
 memory simply because FrameMaker is not competing for real memory as 
 opposed to virtual memory; less paging equals much higher performance.

 That's what Tammy said at the very start, first line of the opening 
 post in the
 thread:
   FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

 ;-)
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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Hello Tammy,

I imagine that someone has suggested this already but for speeding up temporary 
navigation (e.g. if you need to zoom down to 25%), use View->Options and 
"uncheck" graphics. This makes all graphics disappear. You can arrive at your 
destination more swiftly and then reverse the process (e.g. "check" graphics) 
so you can view the image as you write.

The keyboard short cut is ALT v o --

Other remote possibility of speed issues is if you have checked "Save 
FrameImage with Imported Graphics" under Preferences.

I still have FM7.2 loaded (for testing comparison) on my personal WinXP 
machine. I have noticed that even that older version of FM runs slower than it 
did "when new" due to the many successive WinXP upgrades. I speculate that 
there may be some connection. The PC environment has changed considerably since 
FM7 and FM8 were released.



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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 8:33 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

Thank you to everyone for all their insight into this issue. I have received a 
myriad of onlist and offlist responses, and they range from others having 
identical issues and not being able to resolve them to some resolution 
depending on if you turned off graphics, pods, etc. One interesting comment 
that was made to me offlist on a few occasions was that the problem seemed to 
really come to the forefront after the last few rounds of Windows updates, and 
that is truly something that I have noticed as well.  A few people commented 
that overall FM 10 response in almost every aspect was noticeably slowed after 
this last round of updates and this was working local or w/ both the files and 
graphics stored on a network.  For now, I am going to keep all pods closed and 
be somewhat thankful that I am pretty keyboard driven for commands (which harks 
back to my days on older versions of FM and my age in general :)). I really do 
need to keep the graphics displayed as I write for a variety of reasons, but if 
that ultimately becomes the real showstopper, I will just have to work my way 
around that as well.  I am sooo tired of all these issues w/ newer versions 
of FM. FM 7.2 and 8.0 were just as solid as a rock and quality just seems to be 
going downhill exponentially w/ every subsequent release.

Thanks so much again everyone.

Regards,

TVB

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]> On 
Behalf Of Keith Soltys
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:55 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

I'm surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit Windows 
only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it's something like 3.2 GB).

Regards
Keith

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com]<mailto:[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com]> On 
Behalf Of Art & Karen Braun
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu

Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in response 
time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is still room for 
improvement.

ajb

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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Maxwell Hoffmann]

Keith/Jeremy,

I did an upgrade on such a configuration from 4 GB to 8GB, and noticed a 
startling increase in performance with OUTLOOK. Newer OS's are thirsty.



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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Keith Soltys
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 11:52 AM
To: Jeremy H. Griffith; Framers Mailing List (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

I think the memory issue came up in response to some else who posted in the 
thread about having a similar issue with FM11. They were running Win7 32-bit 
and performance had improved when they upgraded from 4 GB to 8 GB RAM.

Regards
Keith

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:46 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files
>
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:51:26 -0700, Dov Isaacs
> >  wrote:
>
> >Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker is a 32-bit 
> >application, performance may significantly improve with additional 
> >memory simply because FrameMaker is not competing for real memory as 
> >opposed to virtual memory; less paging equals much higher performance.
>
> That's what Tammy said at the very start, first line of the opening 
> post in the
> thread:
> >>  FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
>
> ;-)

RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Harro de Jong]

Tammy Van Boening wrote:

 FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit I have a book with 10 
 chapters and
 some appendices. Many of the chapters are graphic-laden, but all graphics are
 imported by reference. None are copied. Over the last few months when working 
 on
 this book, I have noticed that paging through the opened chapters is taking an
 increased amount of time and that the files are very slow to refresh with the
 appropriate graphics displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as 
 the tried
 and true Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that
 doesn't seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move 
 through the
 chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function 
 to go
 to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages of where I want 
 to be.
 This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over time,
 and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc.

There are a couple of possible causes:
1. if the files are on a network, any additional load on the network will slow 
things down.
2. the more pods you open, the slower FrameMaker becomes. The 
Variables/Markers/Xrefs/Insets pod is a major cause of slowdowns: every time 
you bring a new file to the foreground, FM updates all those lists. Close this 
pod if you don't need it. 
3. Changes on the network can slow things down, e.g. a virus scanner on the 
server (or your computer) that checks the graphics files every time they're 
opened.

Ctrl-L and PageUp/dn cause the page to be redrawn again. This just takes more 
time, won't have a positive effect on load times.

You can use Esc v v to hide the graphics temporarily, this speeds things up 
considerably (but can a pain in the ass when you forget to switch them back on 
again before creating the PDF).

Harro de Jong
Triview

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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Keith Soltys]

I'm surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit Windows 
only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it's something like 3.2 GB).

Regards
Keith

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art  Karen Braun
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu

Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in response 
time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is still room for 
improvement.

ajb

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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[rebecca officer]

Hi Tammy
 
have you tried washing them through MIF?
 
Cheers
Rebecca

 Tammy Van Boening tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com 2/04/13 14:10 

Sorry all. Here are the answers to several on and offlist questions:
 
Printed output is not required. The PDFs produced will be viewed online only.  
The graphics are PNGs, all imported and all stored locally. Everything (files 
and graphics) are stored on my hard drive. 
All are imported in multiples that allow for printing standard printing 
considerations (100, 150, 200, or 300 dpi as per comments from Richard Combs).
Brand new custom system - 16 GB RAM and 8 processors.
 
Thanks!
 
TVB
 

From: Richard Doll [mailto:sgmli...@tds.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:20 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'framers'
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

 

Tammy,

 

What type of graphic(s) are involved???

 

.eps, .tif, .???, or .pfs

 

note - if printed output is needed . . . colors in CMYK will be required and 
FM-10 will not mess with them, even in the Windows environment.

 

and you will probably want 300dpi for best results

 

and (in my case. . . of 3k catalog pp/yr - each averaging 3.25 images/p) - .tif 
processes the quickest.

 

i do not know the physical difference between .eps and .tif,

 

but, a 4.3k .eps file  = the print quality of the same graphic when it is a 
.tif at 1.25k.

 

size must have something to do with amount of processing involved.

 

changing to .tifs has saved me sooo much time . . . is now a pleasure to see 
the progress-bar actually hurry across the screen.

 

if you need a script to do this conversion . . . talk with Rick Quatro

 

 



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From: Tammy Van Boening ( mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com ) 

To: 'framers' ( mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com ) 

Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM

Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

 

FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are 
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied. 
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that paging 
through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and that the 
files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics displayed. I have 
tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true Page Up/Page Down trick 
to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't seem to help at all. It's 
really slowing me down to try to move through the chapters this way. If I need 
to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function to go to a specific page and 
then hope I am w/in one or two pages of where I want to be.
This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over time, 
and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 
I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this over 
time with FM10.
TIA,
TVB

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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you to everyone for all their insight into this issue. I have received
a myriad of onlist and offlist responses, and they range from others having
identical issues and not being able to resolve them to some resolution
depending on if you turned off graphics, pods, etc. One interesting comment
that was made to me offlist on a few occasions was that the problem seemed
to really come to the forefront after the last few rounds of Windows
updates, and that is truly something that I have noticed as well.  A few
people commented that overall FM 10 response in almost every aspect was
noticeably slowed after this last round of updates and this was working
local or w/ both the files and graphics stored on a network.  For now, I am
going to keep all pods closed and be somewhat thankful that I am pretty
keyboard driven for commands (which harks back to my days on older versions
of FM and my age in general J). I really do need to keep the graphics
displayed as I write for a variety of reasons, but if that ultimately
becomes the real showstopper, I will just have to work my way around that as
well.  I am sooo tired of all these issues w/ newer versions of FM. FM
7.2 and 8.0 were just as solid as a rock and quality just seems to be going
downhill exponentially w/ every subsequent release.

 

Thanks so much again everyone. 

 

Regards,

 

TVB

 

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Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 6:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

 

I’m surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit
Windows only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it’s something like
3.2 GB). 

 

Regards

Keith

 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art  Karen Braun
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

 

FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu

 

Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in
response time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is
still room for improvement.

 

ajb

 

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Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:51:26 -0700, Dov Isaacs
 isa...@adobe.com wrote:

Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker 
is a 32-bit application, performance may significantly 
improve with additional memory simply because FrameMaker 
is not competing for real memory as opposed to virtual 
memory; less paging equals much higher performance.

That's what Tammy said at the very start, first line
of the opening post in the thread:
  FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

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Keith Soltys wrote:
 
 I'm surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit Windows
 only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it's something like 3.2 GB).

That's correct. But if the PC is using integrated graphics instead of a 
separate graphics card, a gigabyte or more of the total memory could be used 
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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

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Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:
 
 On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:51:26 -0700, Dov Isaacs
  isa...@adobe.com wrote:
 
 Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker
 is a 32-bit application, performance may significantly
 improve with additional memory simply because FrameMaker
 is not competing for real memory as opposed to virtual
 memory; less paging equals much higher performance.
 
 That's what Tammy said at the very start, first line
 of the opening post in the thread:
   FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
 
 ;-)

Dov and I were responding to Keith Soltys, who was responding to this post: 

 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art  Karen Braun
 Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:58 PM
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files
 
 FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu
 
 Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in response
 time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is still room
 for improvement.

Richard G. Combs
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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Keith Soltys]

I think the memory issue came up in response to some else who posted in the 
thread about having a similar issue with FM11. They were running Win7 32-bit 
and performance had improved when they upgraded from 4 GB to 8 GB RAM.

Regards
Keith

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 On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:51:26 -0700, Dov Isaacs
  isa...@adobe.com wrote:

 Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker is a 32-bit
 application, performance may significantly improve with additional
 memory simply because FrameMaker is not competing for real memory as
 opposed to virtual memory; less paging equals much higher performance.

 That's what Tammy said at the very start, first line of the opening post in 
 the
 thread:
   FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

 ;-)

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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[rebecca officer]

Hi Tammy

have you tried washing them through MIF?

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> "Tammy Van Boening"  2/04/13 14:10 >>>

Sorry all. Here are the answers to several on and offlist questions:

Printed output is not required. The PDFs produced will be viewed online only.  
The graphics are PNGs, all imported and all stored locally. Everything (files 
and graphics) are stored on my hard drive. 
All are imported in multiples that allow for printing standard printing 
considerations (100, 150, 200, or 300 dpi as per comments from Richard Combs).
Brand new custom system - 16 GB RAM and 8 processors.

Thanks!

TVB


From: Richard Doll [mailto:sgmli...@tds.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:20 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'framers'
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



Tammy,



What type of graphic(s) are involved???



.eps, .tif, .???, or .pfs



note - if printed output is needed . . . colors in CMYK will be required and 
FM-10 will not mess with them, even in the Windows environment.



and you will probably want 300dpi for best results



and (in my case. . . of 3k catalog pp/yr - each averaging 3.25 images/p) - .tif 
processes the quickest.



i do not know the physical difference between .eps and .tif,



but, a 4.3k .eps file  = the print quality of the same graphic when it is a 
.tif at 1.25k.



size must have something to do with amount of processing involved.



changing to .tifs has saved me sooo much time . . . is now a pleasure to see 
the progress-bar actually hurry across the screen.



if you need a script to do this conversion . . . talk with Rick Quatro







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To: 'framers' ( mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com ) 

Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM

Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are 
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied. 
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that paging 
through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and that the 
files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics displayed. I have 
tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true Page Up/Page Down trick 
to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't seem to help at all. It's 
really slowing me down to try to move through the chapters this way. If I need 
to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function to go to a specific page and 
then hope I am w/in one or two pages of where I want to be.
This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over time, 
and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 
I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this over 
time with FM10.
TIA,
TVB

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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Tammy Van Boening]

Thank you to everyone for all their insight into this issue. I have received
a myriad of onlist and offlist responses, and they range from others having
identical issues and not being able to resolve them to some resolution
depending on if you turned off graphics, pods, etc. One interesting comment
that was made to me offlist on a few occasions was that the problem seemed
to really come to the forefront after the last few rounds of Windows
updates, and that is truly something that I have noticed as well.  A few
people commented that overall FM 10 response in almost every aspect was
noticeably slowed after this last round of updates and this was working
local or w/ both the files and graphics stored on a network.  For now, I am
going to keep all pods closed and be somewhat thankful that I am pretty
keyboard driven for commands (which harks back to my days on older versions
of FM and my age in general J). I really do need to keep the graphics
displayed as I write for a variety of reasons, but if that ultimately
becomes the real showstopper, I will just have to work my way around that as
well.  I am sooo tired of all these issues w/ newer versions of FM. FM
7.2 and 8.0 were just as solid as a rock and quality just seems to be going
downhill exponentially w/ every subsequent release.



Thanks so much again everyone. 



Regards,



TVB



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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



I?m surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit
Windows only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it?s something like
3.2 GB). 



Regards

Keith



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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu



Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in
response time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is
still room for improvement.



ajb



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[Dov Isaacs]

Adding memory beyond 4GB on Windows 32-bit is a total waste. It is not even 
recognized by the operating system!

Maybe the improvement came on the basis of adding faster RAM that was then used 
for the bottom 4GB or perhaps your CPU / motherboard combination accesses 
memory faster when more fully populated (YMMV)! But again, in terms of being 
used, a total waste!

Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker is a 32-bit 
application, performance may significantly improve with additional memory 
simply because FrameMaker is not competing for real memory as opposed to 
virtual memory; less paging equals much higher performance.

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Subject: RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

I'm surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit Windows 
only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it's something like 3.2 GB).

Regards
Keith

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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu

Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in response 
time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is still room for 
improvement.

ajb

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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Jeremy H. Griffith]

On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:51:26 -0700, Dov Isaacs
>  wrote:

>Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker 
>is a 32-bit application, performance may significantly 
>improve with additional memory simply because FrameMaker 
>is not competing for real memory as opposed to virtual 
>memory; less paging equals much higher performance.

That's what Tammy said at the very start, first line
of the opening post in the thread:
>>  FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

;-)

-- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
  http://mif2go.com/

Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Combs, Richard]

Keith Soltys wrote:

> I'm surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit Windows
> only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it's something like 3.2 GB).

That's correct. But if the PC is using integrated graphics instead of a 
separate graphics card, a gigabyte or more of the total memory could be used 
for graphics. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Combs, Richard]

Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:51:26 -0700, Dov Isaacs
> >  wrote:
> 
> >Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker
> >is a 32-bit application, performance may significantly
> >improve with additional memory simply because FrameMaker
> >is not competing for real memory as opposed to virtual
> >memory; less paging equals much higher performance.
> 
> That's what Tammy said at the very start, first line
> of the opening post in the thread:
> >>  FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
> 
> ;-)

Dov and I were responding to Keith Soltys, who was responding to this post: 

> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art & Karen Braun
> Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 7:58 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files
> 
> FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu
> 
> Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in response
> time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is still room
> for improvement.

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
--

Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Keith Soltys]

I think the memory issue came up in response to some else who posted in the 
thread about having a similar issue with FM11. They were running Win7 32-bit 
and performance had improved when they upgraded from 4 GB to 8 GB RAM.

Regards
Keith

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 12:46 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files
>
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 08:51:26 -0700, Dov Isaacs
> >  wrote:
>
> >Now if you are on Windows 64-bit, even though FrameMaker is a 32-bit
> >application, performance may significantly improve with additional
> >memory simply because FrameMaker is not competing for real memory as
> >opposed to virtual memory; less paging equals much higher performance.
>
> That's what Tammy said at the very start, first line of the opening post in 
> the
> thread:
> >>  FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
>
> ;-)
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
>   http://mif2go.com/
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Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Art Karen Braun]

FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu

Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in
response time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is
still room for improvement.

ajb

Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Tammy Van Boening 
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:

 **

 FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

 I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters
 are graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are
 copied. Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed 
 that
 paging through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time
 and that the files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics
 displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true
 Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that
 doesn't seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move
 through the chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the
 CTRL/G function to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or
 two pages of where I want to be.

 This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over
 time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc.

 I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this
 over time with FM10.

 TIA,

 TVB


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Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Apr-01 9:10 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

Sorry all. Here are the answers to several on and offlist questions:

Printed output is not required. The PDFs produced will be viewed online
only.

The graphics are PNGs, all imported and all stored locally. Everything
(files and graphics) are stored on my hard drive.

All are imported in multiples that allow for printing standard printing
considerations (100, 150, 200, or 300 dpi as per comments from Richard
Combs).

Brand new custom system - 16 GB RAM and 8 processors.

Thanks!



- Original Message -

*From:*Tammy Van Boening mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com

*To:*'framers' mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com

*Sent:*Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM

*Subject:*Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the
chapters are graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by
reference. None are copied. Over the last few months when working on
this book, I have noticed that paging through the opened chapters is
taking an increased amount of time and that the files are very slow
to refresh with the appropriate graphics displayed. I have tried the
CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true Page Up/Page Down trick
to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't seem to help at
all. It's really slowing me down to try to move through the chapters
this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function
to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages of
where I want to be.

This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse
over time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc.

I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered
this over time with FM10.




I can't suggest a solution other than possibly defragging your disk.  A 
work-around, though, is to turn off the display of images (View  
Options  Graphics or Alt+V, o, Alt+I, Enter).


I use http://www.mydefrag.com/ because it doesn't just defrag, it also 
optimizes the placement of files and free space on hard drives.  If you 
have an SSD, though, do not defrag; it's damaging to the drive without 
improving performance.


HTH,


--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Stuart Rogers]

On 2013-Apr-01 9:10 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
> Sorry all. Here are the answers to several on and offlist questions:
>
> Printed output is not required. The PDFs produced will be viewed online
> only.
>
> The graphics are PNGs, all imported and all stored locally. Everything
> (files and graphics) are stored on my hard drive.
>
> All are imported in multiples that allow for printing standard printing
> considerations (100, 150, 200, or 300 dpi as per comments from Richard
> Combs).
>
> Brand new custom system - 16 GB RAM and 8 processors.
>
> Thanks!

> - Original Message -
>
> *From:*Tammy Van Boening <mailto:tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com>
>
> *To:*'framers' <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
>
>     *Sent:*Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM
>
> *Subject:*Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files
>
> FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
>
> I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the
> chapters are graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by
> reference. None are copied. Over the last few months when working on
> this book, I have noticed that paging through the opened chapters is
> taking an increased amount of time and that the files are very slow
> to refresh with the appropriate graphics displayed. I have tried the
> CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true Page Up/Page Down trick
> to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't seem to help at
> all. It's really slowing me down to try to move through the chapters
> this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function
> to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages of
> where I want to be.
>
> This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse
> over time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc.
>
> I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered
> this over time with FM10.
>


I can't suggest a solution other than possibly defragging your disk.  A 
work-around, though, is to turn off the display of images (View > 
Options > Graphics or Alt+V, o, Alt+I, Enter).

I use http://www.mydefrag.com/ because it doesn't just defrag, it also 
optimizes the placement of files and free space on hard drives.  If you 
have an SSD, though, do not defrag; it's damaging to the drive without 
improving performance.

HTH,


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Harro de Jong]

Tammy Van Boening wrote:

> FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit I have a book with 10 
> chapters and
> some appendices. Many of the chapters are graphic-laden, but all graphics are
> imported by reference. None are copied. Over the last few months when working 
> on
> this book, I have noticed that paging through the opened chapters is taking an
> increased amount of time and that the files are very slow to refresh with the
> appropriate graphics displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as 
> the tried
> and true Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that
> doesn't seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move 
> through the
> chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function 
> to go
> to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages of where I want 
> to be.
> This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over time,
> and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc.

There are a couple of possible causes:
1. if the files are on a network, any additional load on the network will slow 
things down.
2. the more pods you open, the slower FrameMaker becomes. The 
Variables/Markers/Xrefs/Insets pod is a major cause of slowdowns: every time 
you bring a new file to the foreground, FM updates all those lists. Close this 
pod if you don't need it. 
3. Changes on the network can slow things down, e.g. a virus scanner on the 
server (or your computer) that checks the graphics files every time they're 
opened.

Ctrl-L and PageUp/dn cause the page to be redrawn again. This just takes more 
time, won't have a positive effect on load times.

You can use Esc v v to hide the graphics temporarily, this speeds things up 
considerably (but can a pain in the ass when you forget to switch them back on 
again before creating the PDF).

Harro de Jong
Triview

Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Keith Soltys]

I'm surprised upgrading the RAM made any difference. I thought 32-bit Windows 
only recognizes 4 GB maximum (actually, I think it's something like 3.2 GB).

Regards
Keith

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art & Karen Braun
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 9:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu

Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in response 
time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is still room for 
improvement.

ajb

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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Tammy Van Boening]

FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied.
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that
paging through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and
that the files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics
displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true
Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't
seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move through the
chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G
function to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages
of where I want to be.

This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over
time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 

I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this
over time with FM10.

TIA,

TVB

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RE: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

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Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:40 PM
To: 'framers'
Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

 

FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied.
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that
paging through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and
that the files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics
displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true
Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't
seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move through the
chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G
function to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages
of where I want to be.

This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over
time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 

I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this
over time with FM10.

TIA,

TVB

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Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Richard Doll]

Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy filesTammy,

What type of graphic(s) are involved???

.eps, .tif, .???, or .pfs

note - if printed output is needed . . . colors in CMYK will be required and 
FM-10 will not mess with them, even in the Windows environment.

and you will probably want 300dpi for best results

and (in my case. . . of 3k catalog pp/yr - each averaging 3.25 images/p) - .tif 
processes the quickest.

i do not know the physical difference between .eps and .tif,

but, a 4.3k .eps file  = the print quality of the same graphic when it is a 
.tif at 1.25k.

size must have something to do with amount of processing involved.

changing to .tifs has saved me sooo much time . . . is now a pleasure to see 
the progress-bar actually hurry across the screen.

if you need a script to do this conversion . . . talk with Rick Quatro


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tammy Van Boening 
  To: 'framers' 
  Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM
  Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files


  FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

  I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are 
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied. 
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that paging 
through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and that the 
files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics displayed. I have 
tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true Page Up/Page Down trick 
to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't seem to help at all. It's 
really slowing me down to try to move through the chapters this way. If I need 
to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function to go to a specific page and 
then hope I am w/in one or two pages of where I want to be.

  This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over 
time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 


  I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this over 
time with FM10.

  TIA,

  TVB




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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Tammy Van Boening]

FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied.
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that
paging through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and
that the files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics
displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true
Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't
seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move through the
chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G
function to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages
of where I want to be.

This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over
time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 

I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this
over time with FM10.

TIA,

TVB

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[Lea Rush]

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Tammy Van Boening
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:40 PM
To: 'framers'
Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied.
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that
paging through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and
that the files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics
displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true
Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't
seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move through the
chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G
function to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages
of where I want to be.

This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over
time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 

I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this
over time with FM10.

TIA,

TVB

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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Richard Doll]

Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy filesTammy,

What type of graphic(s) are involved???

.eps, .tif, .???, or .pfs

note - if printed output is needed . . . colors in CMYK will be required and 
FM-10 will not mess with them, even in the Windows environment.

and you will probably want 300dpi for best results

and (in my case. . . of 3k catalog pp/yr - each averaging 3.25 images/p) - .tif 
processes the quickest.

i do not know the physical difference between .eps and .tif,

but, a 4.3k .eps file  = the print quality of the same graphic when it is a 
.tif at 1.25k.

size must have something to do with amount of processing involved.

changing to .tifs has saved me sooo much time . . . is now a pleasure to see 
the progress-bar actually hurry across the screen.

if you need a script to do this conversion . . . talk with Rick Quatro


  - Original Message - 
  From: Tammy Van Boening 
  To: 'framers' 
  Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM
  Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files


  FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

  I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are 
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied. 
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that paging 
through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and that the 
files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics displayed. I have 
tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true Page Up/Page Down trick 
to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't seem to help at all. It's 
really slowing me down to try to move through the chapters this way. If I need 
to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G function to go to a specific page and 
then hope I am w/in one or two pages of where I want to be.

  This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over 
time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 


  I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this over 
time with FM10.

  TIA,

  TVB




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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Tammy Van Boening]

Sorry all. Here are the answers to several on and offlist questions:



Printed output is not required. The PDFs produced will be viewed online
only.  

The graphics are PNGs, all imported and all stored locally. Everything
(files and graphics) are stored on my hard drive. 

All are imported in multiples that allow for printing standard printing
considerations (100, 150, 200, or 300 dpi as per comments from Richard
Combs).

Brand new custom system - 16 GB RAM and 8 processors.



Thanks!



TVB



From: Richard Doll [mailto:sgmli...@tds.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 5:20 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening; 'framers'
Subject: Re: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



Tammy,



What type of graphic(s) are involved???



.eps, .tif, .???, or .pfs



note - if printed output is needed . . . colors in CMYK will be required and
FM-10 will not mess with them, even in the Windows environment.



and you will probably want 300dpi for best results



and (in my case. . . of 3k catalog pp/yr - each averaging 3.25 images/p) -
.tif processes the quickest.



i do not know the physical difference between .eps and .tif,



but, a 4.3k .eps file  = the print quality of the same graphic when it is a
.tif at 1.25k.



size must have something to do with amount of processing involved.



changing to .tifs has saved me sooo much time . . . is now a pleasure to see
the progress-bar actually hurry across the screen.



if you need a script to do this conversion . . . talk with Rick Quatro





- Original Message - 

From: Tammy Van Boening <mailto:tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com>  

To: 'framers' <mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>  

Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 6:40 PM

Subject: Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files



FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit

I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters are
graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are copied.
Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed that
paging through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time and
that the files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics
displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true
Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that doesn't
seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move through the
chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the CTRL/G
function to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or two pages
of where I want to be.

This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over
time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc. 

I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this
over time with FM10.

TIA,

TVB

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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Art & Karen Braun]

FM 11.0 / Win 7, 32-bit / Intel i3 cpu

Similar problem in book with 36 chapters.  Significant improvement in
response time attained by upgrading RAM from 4GB to 8GB.  Though there is
still room for improvement.

ajb

Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Tammy Van Boening <
tammyvb at spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote:

> **
>
> FM 10.0 (all patched and current)/Win 7, 64 -bit
>
> I have a book with 10 chapters and some appendices. Many of the chapters
> are graphic-laden, but all graphics are imported by reference. None are
> copied. Over the last few months when working on this book, I have noticed 
> that
> paging through the opened chapters is taking an increased amount of time
> and that the files are very slow to refresh with the appropriate graphics
> displayed. I have tried the CTRL + L trick as well as the tried and true
> Page Up/Page Down trick to get the pages to refresh faster and that
> doesn't seem to help at all. It's really slowing me down to try to move
> through the chapters this way. If I need to get somewhere fast, I use the
> CTRL/G function to go to a specific page and then hope I am w/in one or
> two pages of where I want to be.
>
> This issue just seems to have progressed and gotten worse and worse over
> time, and I haven't added any more plugins/changed the setup, etc.
>
> I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this issue/encountered this
> over time with FM10.
>
> TIA,
>
> TVB
>
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Very slow paging in FM 10 in graphic-heavy files

[Robert Lauriston]

Odd that performance has degraded over time. You might try
defragmenting the hard drive, though with modern hardware that really
shouldn't cause much trouble.