Re: migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
It doesn't sound like a very complicated import. If can supply a list of URLs for the target wiki pages, you could probably have someone write you an import utility for free by posting your request on this forum: http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?board=71.0 The Coding Snacks page is where you can request small programs. If you like it, you can make a donation to the author. The other option is to write something yourself using the AutoIt (www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/). It's easy to learn. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 22-Mar-13 8:03 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: Around a year ago I spent 4-5 months evaluating wikis with the goal of migrating from FrameMaker. Confluence 4 and MindTouch were by far the most practical, since they're based on XHTML rather than wiki markup. One big challenge was converting thousands of pages of legacy docs. I got MIF2Go working on a page-by-page basis for both. I got stuck because I couldn't find a documented bulk import utility that worked. Confluence has a very active user community and great support, but I (and others) reached a dead end as far as bulk conversion from FrameMaker: https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4?page=1#27775 WebWorks ePublisher can convert from FrameMaker to Confluence, but that's wiki markup and obsolete. If they ever update that to the new XHTML format that could solve the problem. If you're on a tight budget, forget about MindTouch, you get a choice between a hosted solution (MindTouch TCS) that's fairly expensive and a free version (MindTouch Core) that doesn't have enough support. On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Anyway, as of yesterday, I am now exploring making all my work be hyperlinked Wiki documents instead ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
Confluence 4's import path is supposed to be MS Word, but there are several bugs that make it unusable: cross-references are broken, numbers are converted to plain text instead of ordered lists, and each node of the TOC is sorted alphabetically. I think Atlassian is in a catch-22 as regards the tech docs market: they don't fix those bugs or support bulk import because not enough of their users are voting for those bugs or enhancements, and not enough users vote for those because it's too hard to migrate legacy content, so tech docs departments are not using Confluence. WebWorks can export a whole FrameMaker book to Confluence, breaking it up into pages the same way it does for online help. It works fine with Confluence 4 for read-only purposes but it doesn't create the XHTML source you'd want for migrating permanently. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
If it were that simple, someone would have done it already. The hundreds or thousands of target URLs need to be defined during import based on topic names and used when converting the internal cross-references. https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4 https://bobswift.atlassian.net/wiki/display/CSOAP/Confluence+Command+Line+Interface?focusedCommentId=13107291#comment-13107291 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com wrote: It doesn't sound like a very complicated import. If can supply a list of URLs for the target wiki pages, you could probably have someone write you an import utility for free by posting your request on this forum: http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?board=71.0 The Coding Snacks page is where you can request small programs. If you like it, you can make a donation to the author. The other option is to write something yourself using the AutoIt (www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/). It's easy to learn. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
It doesn't sound like a very complicated import. If can supply a list of URLs for the target wiki pages, you could probably have someone write you an import utility for free by posting your request on this forum: http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?board=71.0 The Coding Snacks page is where you can request small programs. If you like it, you can make a donation to the author. The other option is to write something yourself using the AutoIt (www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/). It's easy to learn. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 22-Mar-13 8:03 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > Around a year ago I spent 4-5 months evaluating wikis with the goal of > migrating from FrameMaker. Confluence 4 and MindTouch were by far the > most practical, since they're based on XHTML rather than wiki markup. > > One big challenge was converting thousands of pages of legacy docs. I > got MIF2Go working on a page-by-page basis for both. I got stuck > because I couldn't find a documented bulk import utility that worked. > > Confluence has a very active user community and great support, but I > (and others) reached a dead end as far as bulk conversion from > FrameMaker: > > https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4?page=1#27775 > > WebWorks ePublisher can convert from FrameMaker to Confluence, but > that's wiki markup and obsolete. If they ever update that to the new > XHTML format that could solve the problem. > > If you're on a tight budget, forget about MindTouch, you get a choice > between a hosted solution (MindTouch TCS) that's fairly expensive and > a free version (MindTouch Core) that doesn't have enough support. > > > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain > (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: >> Anyway, as of yesterday, I am now exploring making all my work be >> hyperlinked Wiki documents instead > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to framers as shmuelw1 at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
If it were that simple, someone would have done it already. The hundreds or thousands of target URLs need to be defined during import based on topic names and used when converting the internal cross-references. https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4 https://bobswift.atlassian.net/wiki/display/CSOAP/Confluence+Command+Line+Interface?focusedCommentId=13107291#comment-13107291 On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:37 AM, Shmuel Wolfson wrote: > It doesn't sound like a very complicated import. If can supply a list of > URLs for the target wiki pages, you could probably have someone write you an > import utility for free by posting your request on this forum: > http://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?board=71.0 > > The Coding Snacks page is where you can request small programs. If you like > it, you can make a donation to the author. > > The other option is to write something yourself using the AutoIt > (www.autoitscript.com/site/autoit/). It's easy to learn.
Re: migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:03:46 -0700, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: [snipped for brevity] One big challenge was converting thousands of pages of legacy docs. I got MIF2Go working on a page-by-page basis for both. I got stuck because I couldn't find a documented bulk import utility that worked. Yes; we still find it amazing that after creating a brand-new internal format, they could not provide a way to import docs that used it other than one at a time. They've had over a year to do it. WebWorks ePublisher can convert from FrameMaker to Confluence, but that's wiki markup and obsolete. If they ever update that to the new XHTML format that could solve the problem. How? That would just move them up to the same place Mif2Go is at already; all correctly formatted, but no bulk import. This needs work at tha Atlassian end. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.comhttp://mif2go.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:03:46 -0700, Robert Lauriston wrote: [snipped for brevity] >One big challenge was converting thousands of pages of legacy docs. I >got MIF2Go working on a page-by-page basis for both. I got stuck >because I couldn't find a documented bulk import utility that worked. Yes; we still find it amazing that after creating a brand-new internal format, they could not provide a way to import docs that used it other than one at a time. They've had over a year to do it. >WebWorks ePublisher can convert from FrameMaker to Confluence, but >that's wiki markup and obsolete. If they ever update that to the new >XHTML format that could solve the problem. How? That would just move them up to the same place Mif2Go is at already; all correctly formatted, but no bulk import. This needs work at tha Atlassian end. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://mif2go.com/
migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
Confluence 4's import path is supposed to be MS Word, but there are several bugs that make it unusable: cross-references are broken, numbers are converted to plain text instead of ordered lists, and each node of the TOC is sorted alphabetically. I think Atlassian is in a catch-22 as regards the tech docs market: they don't fix those bugs or support bulk import because not enough of their users are voting for those bugs or enhancements, and not enough users vote for those because it's too hard to migrate legacy content, so tech docs departments are not using Confluence. WebWorks can export a whole FrameMaker book to Confluence, breaking it up into pages the same way it does for online help. It works fine with Confluence 4 for read-only purposes but it doesn't create the XHTML source you'd want for migrating permanently.
migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
Around a year ago I spent 4-5 months evaluating wikis with the goal of migrating from FrameMaker. Confluence 4 and MindTouch were by far the most practical, since they're based on XHTML rather than wiki markup. One big challenge was converting thousands of pages of legacy docs. I got MIF2Go working on a page-by-page basis for both. I got stuck because I couldn't find a documented bulk import utility that worked. Confluence has a very active user community and great support, but I (and others) reached a dead end as far as bulk conversion from FrameMaker: https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4?page=1#27775 WebWorks ePublisher can convert from FrameMaker to Confluence, but that's wiki markup and obsolete. If they ever update that to the new XHTML format that could solve the problem. If you're on a tight budget, forget about MindTouch, you get a choice between a hosted solution (MindTouch TCS) that's fairly expensive and a free version (MindTouch Core) that doesn't have enough support. On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Anyway, as of yesterday, I am now exploring making all my work be hyperlinked Wiki documents instead ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
Thanks, Robert! We also use Confluence as a managed service - so it is probably the latest version, but I will check. That would be the place where we would put our Wiki version of documentation. Yes, I do have a bunch of legacy documents too - many, many pages , so maybe Mif2Go may be a necessary purchase for me as well. Bulk conversion is probably not critical, but certainly new versions could be done that way as I work on them. Regards, Z -Original Message- From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:04 AM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki Around a year ago I spent 4-5 months evaluating wikis with the goal of migrating from FrameMaker. Confluence 4 and MindTouch were by far the most practical, since they're based on XHTML rather than wiki markup. One big challenge was converting thousands of pages of legacy docs. I got MIF2Go working on a page-by-page basis for both. I got stuck because I couldn't find a documented bulk import utility that worked. Confluence has a very active user community and great support, but I (and others) reached a dead end as far as bulk conversion from FrameMaker: https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4?page=1#27775 WebWorks ePublisher can convert from FrameMaker to Confluence, but that's wiki markup and obsolete. If they ever update that to the new XHTML format that could solve the problem. If you're on a tight budget, forget about MindTouch, you get a choice between a hosted solution (MindTouch TCS) that's fairly expensive and a free version (MindTouch Core) that doesn't have enough support. On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Anyway, as of yesterday, I am now exploring making all my work be hyperlinked Wiki documents instead ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
Around a year ago I spent 4-5 months evaluating wikis with the goal of migrating from FrameMaker. Confluence 4 and MindTouch were by far the most practical, since they're based on XHTML rather than wiki markup. One big challenge was converting thousands of pages of legacy docs. I got MIF2Go working on a page-by-page basis for both. I got stuck because I couldn't find a documented bulk import utility that worked. Confluence has a very active user community and great support, but I (and others) reached a dead end as far as bulk conversion from FrameMaker: https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4?page=1#27775 WebWorks ePublisher can convert from FrameMaker to Confluence, but that's wiki markup and obsolete. If they ever update that to the new XHTML format that could solve the problem. If you're on a tight budget, forget about MindTouch, you get a choice between a hosted solution (MindTouch TCS) that's fairly expensive and a free version (MindTouch Core) that doesn't have enough support. On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > Anyway, as of yesterday, I am now exploring making all my work be hyperlinked > Wiki documents instead
migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki
Thanks, Robert! We also use Confluence as a managed service - so it is probably the latest version, but I will check. That would be the place where we would put our Wiki version of documentation. Yes, I do have a bunch of legacy documents too - many, many pages , so maybe Mif2Go may be a necessary purchase for me as well. Bulk conversion is probably not critical, but certainly new versions could be done that way as I work on them. Regards, Z -Original Message- From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 11:04 AM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net); framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: migrating from FrameMaker to a wiki Around a year ago I spent 4-5 months evaluating wikis with the goal of migrating from FrameMaker. Confluence 4 and MindTouch were by far the most practical, since they're based on XHTML rather than wiki markup. One big challenge was converting thousands of pages of legacy docs. I got MIF2Go working on a page-by-page basis for both. I got stuck because I couldn't find a documented bulk import utility that worked. Confluence has a very active user community and great support, but I (and others) reached a dead end as far as bulk conversion from FrameMaker: https://answers.atlassian.com/questions/19789/converting-from-framemaker-to-confluence-4?page=1#27775 WebWorks ePublisher can convert from FrameMaker to Confluence, but that's wiki markup and obsolete. If they ever update that to the new XHTML format that could solve the problem. If you're on a tight budget, forget about MindTouch, you get a choice between a hosted solution (MindTouch TCS) that's fairly expensive and a free version (MindTouch Core) that doesn't have enough support. On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote: > Anyway, as of yesterday, I am now exploring making all my work be > hyperlinked Wiki documents instead
