Re: [Frameworks] critiques?
I didn't want to bug everyone! It seems like there's some interest in a virtual critique series? I'm not sure of the best way to wrangle all the time zones (assuming synchronous?), but if someone smarter than me has ideas please say so. Best, Michael CQ On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 9:05 PM Cari Machet wrote: > Why off list ? > > Grrr > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 5:51 PM Michael Campos-Quinn < > michaelcamposqu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Thanks John and Chris for these suggestions! Yes, I'm sure it's easier >> when you can pop out for a beer to keep talking I would agree that >> eliciting helpful language is the real challenge, and a skill that may or >> may not be available to all. >> >> Mary, the idea of a remote critique series sounds potentially valuable! >> If anyone is interested I guess get in touch off-list? >> >> Cheers, >> Michael >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:18 PM mary billyou wrote: >> >>> If anyone is interested in participating a critique series I'd be up for >>> facilitating! >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 11:45 PM Chris Freeman < >>> christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Go to grad school lulz :) But seriously getting good substantial critique outside of an academic environment is tough. I've known people that have set up critique groups to get together and view work in progress. That can be helpful and a good community-building project. It's all going to depend on what those people bring though - how deep can they go with the language or art or filmmaking? There's a bit of a skill involved in critiquing and giving useful feedback that not everyone is going to have. That "rad, dude" person may have much deeper thoughts about your work but may never have been taught how to put them into words. I used to run a sort of "open mic" experimental night at a local art house theater. People brought their short films on a thumb drive before the screening, we loaded them up and watched them, then had Q afterwards - and continued it across the street at the bar afterwards. I don't remember it going super deep, but again something like that can be a community builder and a start to finding the people whose opinions you trust. Something like that is not possible right now, but if you are the type who might be interested in programming community events, that could be an opportunity after covid. Or start it now with a virtual thing. Also you could try to set up studio visits / work in progress screenings with filmmakers in your community, film professors, any locals that run screenings or film festivals. You never know who might take you up on it. Again, find the people who you think will give useful feedback. Or try it virtually so you aren't tied to just locals. Look at the program from any past screenings or film festivals you might have been in and hit up the other filmmakers that were screened - "Hey we were in that film festival together, I really liked your work, would you mind taking a look at my upcoming film?" It'll be hit or miss if it's cold calling, but try for the people you talked to at any past events. Or sometimes there are residencies or short-term things run by arts organizations you can apply for that are like an academic environment, but without all the student loan debt. Take a class if there are any local institutions that do film or media, maybe continuing ed / community ed classes at a college, or at local arts organizations. Or maybe there are some available online these days. Also have some questions for people you are showing the work to. Are you trying to get a sense of how the pacing is working? How natural the dialog sounds? How the glitch effects reinforce the theme? The more specific, open-ended questions you can come up with, the more conversation you'll spark. On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:56 PM John Muse wrote: > Hi, Michael. I’ve found crits (even with friends!) to be most useful > when a., folks are in a room (or Zoom) together and can really talk > through > their experience with you; b., you prepare a few questions in advance, > which can be thematic or technical, about the topic or the formal issues > or > their entanglement; c., you can offer different cuts (of a few sequences, > of approaches to sound design, of color correction) for comparison; d., > there are snacks! > > It can be hard to explain the idea of a “rough cut” or “work in > progress” or “temp music” or “temp titles” to people who aren’t makers and > steeped in the lore, but you can frame things and focus everyone’s > attention on the things that really matter to you. > > Hope this helps! > > j > > > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:07
Re: [Frameworks] critiques?
Why off list ? Grrr On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 5:51 PM Michael Campos-Quinn < michaelcamposqu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks John and Chris for these suggestions! Yes, I'm sure it's easier > when you can pop out for a beer to keep talking I would agree that > eliciting helpful language is the real challenge, and a skill that may or > may not be available to all. > > Mary, the idea of a remote critique series sounds potentially valuable! If > anyone is interested I guess get in touch off-list? > > Cheers, > Michael > > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:18 PM mary billyou wrote: > >> If anyone is interested in participating a critique series I'd be up for >> facilitating! >> >> Mary >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 11:45 PM Chris Freeman < >> christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Go to grad school lulz :) >>> >>> But seriously getting good substantial critique outside of an academic >>> environment is tough. >>> >>> I've known people that have set up critique groups to get together and >>> view work in progress. That can be helpful and a good community-building >>> project. It's all going to depend on what those people bring though - how >>> deep can they go with the language or art or filmmaking? There's a bit of >>> a skill involved in critiquing and giving useful feedback that not everyone >>> is going to have. That "rad, dude" person may have much deeper thoughts >>> about your work but may never have been taught how to put them into words. >>> >>> I used to run a sort of "open mic" experimental night at a local art >>> house theater. People brought their short films on a thumb drive before >>> the screening, we loaded them up and watched them, then had Q afterwards >>> - and continued it across the street at the bar afterwards. I don't >>> remember it going super deep, but again something like that can be a >>> community builder and a start to finding the people whose opinions you >>> trust. Something like that is not possible right now, but if you are the >>> type who might be interested in programming community events, that could be >>> an opportunity after covid. Or start it now with a virtual thing. >>> >>> Also you could try to set up studio visits / work in progress screenings >>> with filmmakers in your community, film professors, any locals that run >>> screenings or film festivals. You never know who might take you up on it. >>> Again, find the people who you think will give useful feedback. Or try it >>> virtually so you aren't tied to just locals. Look at the program from any >>> past screenings or film festivals you might have been in and hit up the >>> other filmmakers that were screened - "Hey we were in that film festival >>> together, I really liked your work, would you mind taking a look at my >>> upcoming film?" It'll be hit or miss if it's cold calling, but try for the >>> people you talked to at any past events. >>> >>> Or sometimes there are residencies or short-term things run by arts >>> organizations you can apply for that are like an academic environment, but >>> without all the student loan debt. >>> >>> Take a class if there are any local institutions that do film or media, >>> maybe continuing ed / community ed classes at a college, or at local arts >>> organizations. Or maybe there are some available online these days. >>> >>> Also have some questions for people you are showing the work to. Are >>> you trying to get a sense of how the pacing is working? How natural the >>> dialog sounds? How the glitch effects reinforce the theme? The more >>> specific, open-ended questions you can come up with, the more conversation >>> you'll spark. >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:56 PM John Muse wrote: >>> Hi, Michael. I’ve found crits (even with friends!) to be most useful when a., folks are in a room (or Zoom) together and can really talk through their experience with you; b., you prepare a few questions in advance, which can be thematic or technical, about the topic or the formal issues or their entanglement; c., you can offer different cuts (of a few sequences, of approaches to sound design, of color correction) for comparison; d., there are snacks! It can be hard to explain the idea of a “rough cut” or “work in progress” or “temp music” or “temp titles” to people who aren’t makers and steeped in the lore, but you can frame things and focus everyone’s attention on the things that really matter to you. Hope this helps! j > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Michael Campos-Quinn < michaelcamposqu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm curious to hear what anyone would suggest for getting critical feedback on works in progress beyond sharing with friends. There are so many different aesthetic interests and even politics so there's no single answer, but I've found myself looking for something between "rad, dude" and crickets.
Re: [Frameworks] critiques?
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Re: [Frameworks] critiques?
Thanks John and Chris for these suggestions! Yes, I'm sure it's easier when you can pop out for a beer to keep talking I would agree that eliciting helpful language is the real challenge, and a skill that may or may not be available to all. Mary, the idea of a remote critique series sounds potentially valuable! If anyone is interested I guess get in touch off-list? Cheers, Michael On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 1:18 PM mary billyou wrote: > If anyone is interested in participating a critique series I'd be up for > facilitating! > > Mary > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 11:45 PM Chris Freeman < > christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Go to grad school lulz :) >> >> But seriously getting good substantial critique outside of an academic >> environment is tough. >> >> I've known people that have set up critique groups to get together and >> view work in progress. That can be helpful and a good community-building >> project. It's all going to depend on what those people bring though - how >> deep can they go with the language or art or filmmaking? There's a bit of >> a skill involved in critiquing and giving useful feedback that not everyone >> is going to have. That "rad, dude" person may have much deeper thoughts >> about your work but may never have been taught how to put them into words. >> >> I used to run a sort of "open mic" experimental night at a local art >> house theater. People brought their short films on a thumb drive before >> the screening, we loaded them up and watched them, then had Q afterwards >> - and continued it across the street at the bar afterwards. I don't >> remember it going super deep, but again something like that can be a >> community builder and a start to finding the people whose opinions you >> trust. Something like that is not possible right now, but if you are the >> type who might be interested in programming community events, that could be >> an opportunity after covid. Or start it now with a virtual thing. >> >> Also you could try to set up studio visits / work in progress screenings >> with filmmakers in your community, film professors, any locals that run >> screenings or film festivals. You never know who might take you up on it. >> Again, find the people who you think will give useful feedback. Or try it >> virtually so you aren't tied to just locals. Look at the program from any >> past screenings or film festivals you might have been in and hit up the >> other filmmakers that were screened - "Hey we were in that film festival >> together, I really liked your work, would you mind taking a look at my >> upcoming film?" It'll be hit or miss if it's cold calling, but try for the >> people you talked to at any past events. >> >> Or sometimes there are residencies or short-term things run by arts >> organizations you can apply for that are like an academic environment, but >> without all the student loan debt. >> >> Take a class if there are any local institutions that do film or media, >> maybe continuing ed / community ed classes at a college, or at local arts >> organizations. Or maybe there are some available online these days. >> >> Also have some questions for people you are showing the work to. Are you >> trying to get a sense of how the pacing is working? How natural the dialog >> sounds? How the glitch effects reinforce the theme? The more specific, >> open-ended questions you can come up with, the more conversation you'll >> spark. >> >> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:56 PM John Muse wrote: >> >>> Hi, Michael. I’ve found crits (even with friends!) to be most useful >>> when a., folks are in a room (or Zoom) together and can really talk through >>> their experience with you; b., you prepare a few questions in advance, >>> which can be thematic or technical, about the topic or the formal issues or >>> their entanglement; c., you can offer different cuts (of a few sequences, >>> of approaches to sound design, of color correction) for comparison; d., >>> there are snacks! >>> >>> It can be hard to explain the idea of a “rough cut” or “work in >>> progress” or “temp music” or “temp titles” to people who aren’t makers and >>> steeped in the lore, but you can frame things and focus everyone’s >>> attention on the things that really matter to you. >>> >>> Hope this helps! >>> >>> j >>> >>> > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Michael Campos-Quinn < >>> michaelcamposqu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello, >>> > >>> > I'm curious to hear what anyone would suggest for getting critical >>> feedback on works in progress beyond sharing with friends. There are so >>> many different aesthetic interests and even politics so there's no single >>> answer, but I've found myself looking for something between "rad, dude" and >>> crickets. >>> > >>> > Any suggestions would be super appreciated! >>> > >>> > Best wishes to you all, >>> > Michael Campos-Quinn >>> > -- >>> > Frameworks mailing list >>> > Frameworks@film-gallery.org >>> >
Re: [Frameworks] critiques?
If anyone is interested in participating a critique series I'd be up for facilitating! Mary On Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 11:45 PM Chris Freeman < christopherbriggsfree...@gmail.com> wrote: > Go to grad school lulz :) > > But seriously getting good substantial critique outside of an academic > environment is tough. > > I've known people that have set up critique groups to get together and > view work in progress. That can be helpful and a good community-building > project. It's all going to depend on what those people bring though - how > deep can they go with the language or art or filmmaking? There's a bit of > a skill involved in critiquing and giving useful feedback that not everyone > is going to have. That "rad, dude" person may have much deeper thoughts > about your work but may never have been taught how to put them into words. > > I used to run a sort of "open mic" experimental night at a local art house > theater. People brought their short films on a thumb drive before the > screening, we loaded them up and watched them, then had Q afterwards - > and continued it across the street at the bar afterwards. I don't remember > it going super deep, but again something like that can be a community > builder and a start to finding the people whose opinions you trust. > Something like that is not possible right now, but if you are the type who > might be interested in programming community events, that could be an > opportunity after covid. Or start it now with a virtual thing. > > Also you could try to set up studio visits / work in progress screenings > with filmmakers in your community, film professors, any locals that run > screenings or film festivals. You never know who might take you up on it. > Again, find the people who you think will give useful feedback. Or try it > virtually so you aren't tied to just locals. Look at the program from any > past screenings or film festivals you might have been in and hit up the > other filmmakers that were screened - "Hey we were in that film festival > together, I really liked your work, would you mind taking a look at my > upcoming film?" It'll be hit or miss if it's cold calling, but try for the > people you talked to at any past events. > > Or sometimes there are residencies or short-term things run by arts > organizations you can apply for that are like an academic environment, but > without all the student loan debt. > > Take a class if there are any local institutions that do film or media, > maybe continuing ed / community ed classes at a college, or at local arts > organizations. Or maybe there are some available online these days. > > Also have some questions for people you are showing the work to. Are you > trying to get a sense of how the pacing is working? How natural the dialog > sounds? How the glitch effects reinforce the theme? The more specific, > open-ended questions you can come up with, the more conversation you'll > spark. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:56 PM John Muse wrote: > >> Hi, Michael. I’ve found crits (even with friends!) to be most useful >> when a., folks are in a room (or Zoom) together and can really talk through >> their experience with you; b., you prepare a few questions in advance, >> which can be thematic or technical, about the topic or the formal issues or >> their entanglement; c., you can offer different cuts (of a few sequences, >> of approaches to sound design, of color correction) for comparison; d., >> there are snacks! >> >> It can be hard to explain the idea of a “rough cut” or “work in progress” >> or “temp music” or “temp titles” to people who aren’t makers and steeped in >> the lore, but you can frame things and focus everyone’s attention on the >> things that really matter to you. >> >> Hope this helps! >> >> j >> >> > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Michael Campos-Quinn < >> michaelcamposqu...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > I'm curious to hear what anyone would suggest for getting critical >> feedback on works in progress beyond sharing with friends. There are so >> many different aesthetic interests and even politics so there's no single >> answer, but I've found myself looking for something between "rad, dude" and >> crickets. >> > >> > Any suggestions would be super appreciated! >> > >> > Best wishes to you all, >> > Michael Campos-Quinn >> > -- >> > Frameworks mailing list >> > Frameworks@film-gallery.org >> > http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> >> j/PrM >> >> >> * >> >> John Muse >> Assistant Professor of Visual Studies >> Haverford College >> he/him/his >> j=John PrM=Professor Muse >> >> http://www.finleymuse.com/ >> https://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse >> https://johnmuse.academia.edu/ >> https://www.instagram.com/johnmuseartist/ >> https://www.facebook.com/jmuse99 >> https://www.last.fm/user/jmuse >> >> * >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] critiques?
Go to grad school lulz :) But seriously getting good substantial critique outside of an academic environment is tough. I've known people that have set up critique groups to get together and view work in progress. That can be helpful and a good community-building project. It's all going to depend on what those people bring though - how deep can they go with the language or art or filmmaking? There's a bit of a skill involved in critiquing and giving useful feedback that not everyone is going to have. That "rad, dude" person may have much deeper thoughts about your work but may never have been taught how to put them into words. I used to run a sort of "open mic" experimental night at a local art house theater. People brought their short films on a thumb drive before the screening, we loaded them up and watched them, then had Q afterwards - and continued it across the street at the bar afterwards. I don't remember it going super deep, but again something like that can be a community builder and a start to finding the people whose opinions you trust. Something like that is not possible right now, but if you are the type who might be interested in programming community events, that could be an opportunity after covid. Or start it now with a virtual thing. Also you could try to set up studio visits / work in progress screenings with filmmakers in your community, film professors, any locals that run screenings or film festivals. You never know who might take you up on it. Again, find the people who you think will give useful feedback. Or try it virtually so you aren't tied to just locals. Look at the program from any past screenings or film festivals you might have been in and hit up the other filmmakers that were screened - "Hey we were in that film festival together, I really liked your work, would you mind taking a look at my upcoming film?" It'll be hit or miss if it's cold calling, but try for the people you talked to at any past events. Or sometimes there are residencies or short-term things run by arts organizations you can apply for that are like an academic environment, but without all the student loan debt. Take a class if there are any local institutions that do film or media, maybe continuing ed / community ed classes at a college, or at local arts organizations. Or maybe there are some available online these days. Also have some questions for people you are showing the work to. Are you trying to get a sense of how the pacing is working? How natural the dialog sounds? How the glitch effects reinforce the theme? The more specific, open-ended questions you can come up with, the more conversation you'll spark. On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 6:56 PM John Muse wrote: > Hi, Michael. I’ve found crits (even with friends!) to be most useful when > a., folks are in a room (or Zoom) together and can really talk through > their experience with you; b., you prepare a few questions in advance, > which can be thematic or technical, about the topic or the formal issues or > their entanglement; c., you can offer different cuts (of a few sequences, > of approaches to sound design, of color correction) for comparison; d., > there are snacks! > > It can be hard to explain the idea of a “rough cut” or “work in progress” > or “temp music” or “temp titles” to people who aren’t makers and steeped in > the lore, but you can frame things and focus everyone’s attention on the > things that really matter to you. > > Hope this helps! > > j > > > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Michael Campos-Quinn < > michaelcamposqu...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm curious to hear what anyone would suggest for getting critical > feedback on works in progress beyond sharing with friends. There are so > many different aesthetic interests and even politics so there's no single > answer, but I've found myself looking for something between "rad, dude" and > crickets. > > > > Any suggestions would be super appreciated! > > > > Best wishes to you all, > > Michael Campos-Quinn > > -- > > Frameworks mailing list > > Frameworks@film-gallery.org > > http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org > > j/PrM > > > * > > John Muse > Assistant Professor of Visual Studies > Haverford College > he/him/his > j=John PrM=Professor Muse > > http://www.finleymuse.com/ > https://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse > https://johnmuse.academia.edu/ > https://www.instagram.com/johnmuseartist/ > https://www.facebook.com/jmuse99 > https://www.last.fm/user/jmuse > > * > > > > > -- > Frameworks mailing list > Frameworks@film-gallery.org > http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org > -- Frameworks mailing list Frameworks@film-gallery.org http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org
Re: [Frameworks] critiques?
Hi, Michael. I’ve found crits (even with friends!) to be most useful when a., folks are in a room (or Zoom) together and can really talk through their experience with you; b., you prepare a few questions in advance, which can be thematic or technical, about the topic or the formal issues or their entanglement; c., you can offer different cuts (of a few sequences, of approaches to sound design, of color correction) for comparison; d., there are snacks! It can be hard to explain the idea of a “rough cut” or “work in progress” or “temp music” or “temp titles” to people who aren’t makers and steeped in the lore, but you can frame things and focus everyone’s attention on the things that really matter to you. Hope this helps! j > On Jan 27, 2021, at 8:07 PM, Michael Campos-Quinn > wrote: > > Hello, > > I'm curious to hear what anyone would suggest for getting critical feedback > on works in progress beyond sharing with friends. There are so many different > aesthetic interests and even politics so there's no single answer, but I've > found myself looking for something between "rad, dude" and crickets. > > Any suggestions would be super appreciated! > > Best wishes to you all, > Michael Campos-Quinn > -- > Frameworks mailing list > Frameworks@film-gallery.org > http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org j/PrM * John Muse Assistant Professor of Visual Studies Haverford College he/him/his j=John PrM=Professor Muse http://www.finleymuse.com/ https://www.haverford.edu/faculty/jmuse https://johnmuse.academia.edu/ https://www.instagram.com/johnmuseartist/ https://www.facebook.com/jmuse99 https://www.last.fm/user/jmuse * -- Frameworks mailing list Frameworks@film-gallery.org http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org
[Frameworks] critiques?
Hello, I'm curious to hear what anyone would suggest for getting critical feedback on works in progress beyond sharing with friends. There are so many different aesthetic interests and even politics so there's no single answer, but I've found myself looking for something between "rad, dude" and crickets. Any suggestions would be super appreciated! Best wishes to you all, Michael Campos-Quinn -- Frameworks mailing list Frameworks@film-gallery.org http://film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org
